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Date: July 7th, 2020 9:33 PM Author: aurelien https://www.socom.mil/navsoc/NAVSCIATTS/Documents/COMMAND%20BIOGRAPHY%20-GREEN.pdf
Looked him up while reading a book about BUD/S, the 6 month selection program for SEALs. |
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Date: July 7th, 2020 10:04 PM Author: .,..,.,,.,.,..,.,.,.,..,..,..,.,..,,.,.,.,. (as The Americans) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40564799) |
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Date: July 7th, 2020 10:12 PM Author: aurelien "Can’t imagine this guy wouldn’t have been promoted below the zone."
What does this mean?
I just meant that xo would have a hard on for a guy who majored in Greek at Harvard, learned 7 langauges, then became a SEAL. |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 9:31 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush promoted early (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40570826) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 9:31 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Very few people getting promoted BTZ these days, particularly in the Navy. Also his CV, while impressive, isn't all that hot shit when compared to dozens of other specops officers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40570823) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:07 PM Author: Rudolph Right. He's NROTC. They don't even do that shit at Harvard. You have to go over to MIT for that.
Guys from the Academy don't often hit O-6 in 21 years. |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:08 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush 22 years is considered ITZ nowadays, most BTZ promotions to O-6 are at 20 or 21 years. The Air Force was big on promoting people to O-6 as early as year 19 a while back, but that trend has slowed down significantly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40570975) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:10 PM Author: Rudolph Regardless, this guy is pretty fucking impressive.
You can probably count on one hand the Number of Harvard SEALs who speak Arabic and Ancient Greek. |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:12 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush True, but his Harvard degree and knowledge of Arabic and Ancient Greek mean jack shit to a promotion board. A guy with a GED who has stellar fitreps will get promoted before a Harvard grad with a PhD with only average evaluations every single time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571001) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:18 PM Author: aurelien I can't comment on the guy's military career, but like I said, it's the combination of his academic background and SEAL that I thought would be fodder for xo. I doubt the people here would be significantly more impressed if he's an admiral or whatever instead of commander. We've all seen unimpressive careerists at high levels in the corporate world, and I imagine the military isn't immune from them, either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571023) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:22 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush "We've all seen unimpressive careerists at high levels in the corporate world, and I imagine the military isn't immune from them, either."
Man oh man you'd be shocked at how similar the military and corporate worlds are at the top levels. The military promotion system is geared towards rewarding "box-checking" and politicking with superiors/towing the company line to get the coveted #1 OER or FITREP. Rocking the boat, deviating from the well-worn traditional path, and generally thinking "outside the box" does not lend itself to rapid promotion in the armed services. |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:29 PM Author: Captain Edward Smith This is pretty spot on. You don't make General/Admiral without being political as fuck.
You can make Colonel/Navy Captain on occasion without being a political animal. But that is fairly rare in the US military. |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:34 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Promotion up to O-5 is pretty straightforward. If you have a pulse, do your job, don't fuck the COs wife and manage to avoid getting a DUI, you will make O-5 and be able to retire at 20. O-6 is the first rank where politics really comes into play, and there is a higher degree of "subjectivity" in the promotion process (i.e. politics). Making flag is pretty much all about politics and nobody pins on their first star without having serious support at the 3/4 star level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571128) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:42 PM Author: aurelien He runs a training school for foreign military personnel in Mississippi, which makes me think that he's not really playing the promotions game.
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2018/12/17/hidden-mississippi-school-fight-terrorism-stennis-space-center-hancock-county/2335910002/ |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:45 PM Author: Rudolph I'll say it is a little odd he never pulled a Pentagon tour as a more senior LT or LCDR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571222) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:46 PM lol rudolph outing himself as someone who actually did serve (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571247) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:51 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Pentagon tours are almost non-existent at the O-3 level. Yes, they do exist, but they are not considered career enhancing and generally go to officers in branches and career fields that aren't considered critical.
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:53 PM Author: Rudolph My best friend from HS went to West Point and he pulled one as a middling Captain. This was in the early 00s though. No idea what it looks like now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571300) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:56 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush I mean, there are plenty of random HQ billets for the various services that are considered "Pentagon" tours, but they are generally not considered career-enhancing at that level. There are no Joint Staff billets at the O-3 level other than a few Joint Staff "internship" spots. At O-3 you should be focused on becoming tactically proficient in your field, and while headquarters tours can definitely expose you to the strategy side, more value comes from it later in your career after becoming tactically proficient. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571334) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:57 PM Author: Rudolph Got it.
Look at us getting along for a change.
I think you are warming up in your older years. |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:59 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush I don't even know you so how could I dislike you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571361) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:02 PM you still in now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571383) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:02 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush No, got out years ago, but still work in the defense industry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571391) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:04 PM cool. i fucking miss it every day man, sucks getting old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571408) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:07 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush I definitely miss parts of it. The wacky and hilarious guys I served with, the small unit camaraderie etc. Ultimately though I couldn't see myself as career, I had other goals in life that really didn't mesh well with a military career. I'm sure I could have made it work, but it would have required additional sacrifices I didn't really want to make. And I also got sick of being told to I had to live in rural Georgia or upstate New York. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571423) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:54 PM i got out before getting there but i have a few friends who did time at the pentagon or on capitol hill as o3s, though maybe i'm just not remembering things correctly and i'll defer to you here, it's been a while (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571313) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:48 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Looks like he also doesn't have an operational O-5 command (SEAL/SDV/SWCC Team), although I can't exactly tell because some of his CV is vaguely worded to obscure service with JSOC or some SMU. If that's the case than he isn't making O-6 unless the CNO is his father-in-law or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571261) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:37 PM it would be hot shit if he got out in 2005 and just went to HBS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571150) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:39 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Agreed, no idea why this guy decided to become a military freefall parachutist/combat diver and go shoot towelheads in the face rather than enjoy the best 2 years of his life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571160) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:39 PM Author: Harald Hadrada (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571169) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:43 PM that's why i picked 2005 man, he graduated in 1999. i guess change it to 2007 if you really want to push it.
you should know that he's not having fun as a fucking lcdr |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:53 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Judging from his CV he was a Devgru troop commander as an LCDR. Probably not a bad deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571301) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:02 PM ha yeah there are worse places to be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571386) |
Date: July 7th, 2020 9:36 PM Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship How the fuck is anyone fluent in Sanskrit ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40564624) |
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Date: July 7th, 2020 9:39 PM Author: aurelien It actually says proficient, which I assume means reading proficiency. There are people who are fluent in Sanskrit, but they tend to be Indians who are spoken Sanskrit revivalists, e.g. https://detechter.com/seven-sanskrit-speaking-villages-in-india/
Westerners learning ancient languages are held to a far lower standard. |
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Date: July 7th, 2020 9:43 PM Author: ..,,...,,..,.,.,..,..,...,.,.,.,.,,..,..,.,.,,,. lol there's a typo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40564661) |
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Date: July 7th, 2020 9:49 PM Author: aurelien Here's another guy the book talks about. Graduated 1st in his class at Annapolis.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidismay |
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Date: July 7th, 2020 9:56 PM Author: Harald Hadrada Little Creek to Boalt, must’ve been a trip. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40564730) |
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Date: July 7th, 2020 10:18 PM Author: Judas Jones Has gayface, but otherwise a lock for fed chairman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40564914) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 1:43 PM Author: peeface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40568272) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 1:12 PM Author: aurelien (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40568085) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 1:27 PM Author: Harald Hadrada I was performance dropped from BUDS in third phase, lmk if you have any qs about always a brownshirt, never a frogman, thank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40568194) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 1:42 PM Author: aurelien Describe your experience during hell week. I go crazy if I stay up a single night. I can't imagine getting 5 hours of sleep over 5 days, plus all that PT. How did you feel when you went from wearing a white shirt to brown?
"The third week with the Draeger is, by consensus of the class, the most difficult in Second Phase."
How does this compare to hell week? |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:51 PM Author: Harald Hadrada Hell week is a roller coaster. Low points are saying goodbye to the sun each day, the base tour and steel pier. High points were meals, and everything from the around the world boat tour until you secure the next day.
The sleep deprivation is tough. We didn't get our first couple hours of sleep until Tuesday afternoon I think.I slept so hard I didn't wake up when the instructors came back in and a particularly nasty fucker named CARLOS VARGAS picked me up by the front of my blouse and threw me onto the grinder. After that first stretch of sleep people would begin to periodically nod off anytime we weren't moving.
Getting the brownshirt is a big deal at the time you get it. Instructors treat you significantly better after hell week. For me it was the most significant thing I did in the navy since I never got the trident and went on to a pretty mundane signals intelligence job.
I don't remember "dive hell week" being all that bad, it's just really long days. You're doing two tactical dives a day, one in the morning/afternoon and one at night. With prepping all the gear and "dirt diving" the dives in advance you end up getting about 4 hours sleep a night when your days are very demanding. Nice when it's over but doesn't hold a candle to first phase. |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 3:31 PM Author: aurelien Must have been tough to come so close. What got you dropped? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40569059) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 3:47 PM Author: Harald Hadrada Pistol qual (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40569157) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 4:18 PM Author: aurelien Sucks. Lots of stories in the book of guys who get dropped through no fault of their own, e.g. developing infections during training. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40569331) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 4:23 PM Author: Harald Hadrada Yeah, plenty of guys get medically dropped but they try to give people the benefit of the doubt. If your recovery will take more than 2-3 months you're usually SOL. One of my OICs was a former Force Recon lieutenant who went navy just to be a SEAL. He was a big dude and fractured his hip in hell week but still finished. He was medically rolled two classes which wasn't very common.
Other injuries you were just fucked. Like if guys went down with heat stroke they were usually just done bc of the increased propensity to have heat stroke occur again in the future. |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 4:30 PM seems insane to me that a force officer would go seal over special forces if he wanted a change.
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Date: July 8th, 2020 4:32 PM Author: Harald Hadrada Edit: I guess he was a ranger. It’s been eleven years now. He was good childhood friends with Marcus Luttrell which influenced the decision. Not sure why why he didn’t just go SEAL from the beginning.
Bonus: he’s pictured with Luttrell in Lone Survivor, names Tommy Richardson
https://erenow.net/biographies/lone-survivor/15.php |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 4:52 PM ah, interesting. him going ranger --> seal makes a bit more sense to me. anecdotally seals tend to be more similar to rangers in makeup than to force recon or green berets (since the latter tend to be made up of more seasoned NCOs) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40569544) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:10 PM Author: '"'''"''"''" What does this mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571446) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:11 PM Author: Harald Hadrada I failed the pistol qualification in the last phase of training and got performance dropped from the program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571462) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 8:38 AM Author: '"'''"''"''" Sorry brother that blows. How difficult is it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40572602) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:41 AM Author: Harald Hadrada It's probably harder than most standard pistol quals across the services. The whole course of fire is done at 25 yards which isn't anything too crazy but is a pretty good distance to be accurate with a pistol. I'm mostly just a fairly shitty shot. I've often wondered if there is something not right with my vision bc although on vision charts I still test better than 20/20 without glasses, when I do the machine version at the DMV I have trouble focusing and it feels like there is some sort of depth issue. It's water long under the bridge now but my life probably would have been a lot more interesting if I'd made it through. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40572814) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 3:35 PM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40569083) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 3:47 PM Author: Harald Hadrada (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40569154) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 3:51 PM gotcha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40569177) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:11 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush I've never done BUD/S, but I've known/worked with/supported dozens of those who have completed it and their take is that while hell week is built up into this mythical beast to the public, it's mostly about weeding out those who REALLY want to be there, anyone who can pass a pre-BUD/S physical screening can finish it with the right attitude. What people don't understand is that the physical aspect of BUD/S never lets up. So not only are you PTing like a madman and rolling around in the cold surf for a few hours a day, you now have to learn land navigation and combat diving on top of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571463) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:16 PM Author: Harald Hadrada Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571494) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 1:30 PM Author: 30-something sitting in a Pizza Hut reminiscing Some people out there are just on another level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40568207) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 1:34 PM Author: jonas kahnwald Probably the most well rounded and impressive resume I've ever seen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40568229) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 1:41 PM Author: Kimmy Gibbler, Attorney at Law He doesn't even have an "Interests" section. rookie move (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40568262) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 1:52 PM Author: .........,..,,,.,.,,,.,.,.,,,,.. resume's about par with that of the median HBS student (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40568331) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:29 PM Author: Raping Terry Gross I enjoy saying "nigger" on a computer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40568564) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 9:23 PM Author: aurelien One of the BUD/S instructors in the book was charged last year with embezzling millions of dollars:
https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/court-seeks-woman-with-ties-to-embezzling-ex-navy-seal/ |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:25 PM Author: Frank Lloyd Wrong "He is proficient in numerous foreign and ancient languages, including: Arabic, French, Latin, Ancient Greek, and Sanskrit."
No he isnt |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:27 PM Author: aurelien Why do you think so? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571075) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:37 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush How frequently do you think he uses Sanskrit or Ancient Greek in his day to day? Scholars of these languages who are actually proficient need to constantly use these skills since they are perishable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571146) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:37 PM Author: ;;;;...;,;,;,;.;.;;.;,;.;.;.;.;;;;...,,,..,;;.;,.; cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571153) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:40 PM Author: aurelien Dormant languages come back quickly. I have no problem with people claiming proficiency for languages they can revive in short order. Was curious if he had some other reason than this for doubting the guy's proficiency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571171) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:43 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Maybe for languages you learned as a child, when the brain is is still in development mode and those neural pathways become ingrained (I doubt he was studying Sanskrit at age 8). I don't think this is true of languages you've picked up in adulthood, at least in my experience. Plus Latin, Ancient Greek, and to a certain extent Sanskrit aren't spoken anymore, so it's completely different from learning Spanish, French or Mandarin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571203) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:45 PM Author: Harald Hadrada Nah, couple hours listening to BBC Ancient Greek service and ur right back in the saddle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571216) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:46 PM Author: aurelien The threshold for proficiency for ancient languages at academic institutions is much lower than for modern languages, so it's actually an easier claim to make.
Also, the critical period hypothesis is rather overblown, IMO. |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:58 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Fair enough, although I'm sure they are using the term "proficient" fairly loosely in his bio. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571354) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:32 PM DONDE ESTA EL BANO = proficient (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571626) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:33 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Dos cervezas por favor= native fluency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571635) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:33 PM Author: .,.,,..,.,,.,.,:,,:,..,,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40571634) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:43 AM Author: .,;,,.;,,.,;,.:.,,;;.;.,.;,;,..,,:,.;;.....:..,.:: cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40572825) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:44 AM Author: .,;,,.;,,.,;,.:.,,;;.;.,.;,;,..,,:,.;;.....:..,.:: Not even in the top 500 most impressive resume's i've seen. If you're impressed by that resume you're prole as fuck.
Wow, latin honors at HARVARD??!???! Impressive! |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:47 AM Author: Raping Terry Gross god I admire you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40572842) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:48 AM sup brady (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40572844) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:56 AM Author: .,;,,.;,,.,;,.:.,,;;.;.,.;,;,..,,:,.;;.....:..,.:: (guy who brags to everyone about getting latin honors at harvard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40572879) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:48 AM going to put "cum lord" instead of cum laude on my rinkedin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40573232) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:49 AM Author: .,;,,.;,,.,;,.:.,,;;.;.,.;,;,..,,:,.;;.....:..,.:: sup brady
"He graduated cum laude with an A.B. in Classics-Greek in 1999." |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:50 AM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40573239) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:47 AM Author: aurelien I would say not being a pumo has held him back significantly in life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40573224) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:50 AM Author: .,;,,.;,,.,;,.:.,,;;.;.,.;,;,..,,:,.;;.....:..,.:: to the contrary, i'd say being a pumo has held me back substantially in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40573238) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:03 AM Author: OldHLSDude He can shout, "Eleleu!" when heading into battle. Impressive resume. Maybe he will go into politics and entertain future generations of xo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578831&forum_id=2#40573322) |