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has anybody DOMINATED their field like Beethoven and classical music?
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:45 PM Author: ...,,....,,.,,,..,,,,... like beethoven literally ended classical music (yah i know about brahms, strauss and later composers) but he is so uniquely identified with classical music and his compositions dominate the public conscience so much that classical music is always looking backwards towards beethoven as a reference point. if u think of philosophy no one person dominates the public conscience. some ppl immediately think of greeks like aristotle/plato, others kant/hegel etc.
this article explains what i am talking about
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/20/deus-ex-musica
Beethoven transformed music—but has veneration of him stifled his successors?
Beethoven is a singularity in the history of art—a phenomenon of dazzling and disconcerting force. He not only left his mark on all subsequent composers but also molded entire institutions. The professional orchestra arose, in large measure, as a vehicle for the incessant performance of Beethoven’s symphonies. The art of conducting emerged in his wake. The modern piano bears the imprint of his demand for a more resonant and flexible instrument. Recording technology evolved with Beethoven in mind: the first commercial 33⅓ r.p.m. LP, in 1931, contained the Fifth Symphony, and the duration of first-generation compact disks was fixed at seventy-five minutes so that the Ninth Symphony could unfurl without interruption. After Beethoven, the concert hall came to be seen not as a venue for diverse, meandering entertainments but as an austere memorial to artistic majesty. Listening underwent a fundamental change. To follow Beethoven’s dense, driving narratives, one had to lean forward and pay close attention. The musicians’ platform became the stage of an invisible drama, the temple of a sonic revelation.
Above all, Beethoven shaped the identity of what came to be known as classical music. In the course of the nineteenth century, dead composers began to crowd out the living on concert programs, and a canon of masterpieces materialized, with Beethoven front and center. As the scholar William Weber has established, this fetishizing of the past can be tracked with mathematical precision, as a rising line on a graph: in Leipzig, the percentage of works by deceased composers went from eleven per cent in 1782 to seventy-six per cent in 1870. Weber sees an 1807 Leipzig performance of Beethoven’s Third Symphony, the titanic, turbulent “Eroica,” as a turning point: the work was brought back a week later, “by demand,” taking a place of honor at the end of the program. Likewise, a critic wrote of the Second Symphony, “It demands to be played again, and yet again, by even the most accomplished orchestra.” More than anything, it was the mesmerizing intricacy of Beethoven’s constructions—his way of building large structures from the obsessive development of curt motifs—that made the repertory culture of classical music possible. This is not to say that Beethoven’s predecessors, giants on the order of Bach, Haydn, and Mozart, fail to reward repeated listening with their cerebral games of variation. In the case of Beethoven, though, the process becomes addictive, irresistible. No composer labors so hard to stave off boredom, to occupy the mind of one who might be hearing or playing a particular piece for the tenth or the hundredth time. |
Date: July 8th, 2020 11:48 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40571773) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:49 PM Author: Jaggers there's this guy called werster who is utterly DOMINANT in pokemon speedrunning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0aRVjtjmB4 |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 2:07 AM Author: ;;;.;..;;;.. (luis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40572169) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:50 PM Author: Thoth Bach and music. Plato and thought. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40571790) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:05 AM Author: '"''"''"" At the amateur level, yeah. But he just never matured enough to dominate at the professional level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40571870) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:51 PM Author: Anne Frank sporting a full bush Tiger Woods from 1999-2009 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40571797) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:52 PM Author: ..,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,....,,,,..,.,.,., all of the comments here are saying Beethoven was black:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-fFHeTX70Q
was that spread on black twitter or something? |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 11:57 PM Author: ...,,....,,.,,,..,,,,... yah black twitter was saying that a few months (???) ago. some blacks like to cope by claiming all kinds of historical european ppl as black. there is a underground movement that claims europeans white washed black achievers like shakespeare and beethoven. never mind that beethoven's family tree is well established and there is not a single reference during his life about him being biracial or black and the one portrait for which he sat shows him as a clear white german
but black twitter created some funny memes so it was entertaining |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:01 AM Author: Jaggers WE WUZ KOMPOZERS N SHIET (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40571855) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:06 AM Author: ...,,....,,.,,,..,,,,...
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:11 AM Author: Jaggers yeah i go there whenever i want a list of shaun king nicknames. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40571892) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:14 AM Author: ...,,....,,.,,,..,,,,... really? thought it wasn't known to xo. that forum is a goldmine for stress relief
i especially love the sub-forum where dark skinned black women and light skinned black women argue and fight lol |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:10 AM Author: ...,,....,,.,,,..,,,,... This blew my mind. We talked about him a lot in school and I swear all they said was that he was a German who grew up in Austria with pictures of him just looking white. So odd on how they’re so hellbent on white washing everything.
It was well known he had a black heritage, they white washed him to push their white supremacy
I knew this as a kid in the 80s. Thought it would be more common knowledge by now... :( There were more than a few prominent european black/mixed classical composers, conductors and musicians
Yeah Beethoven was black, he is one of those black people from classical Europe who whites washed the history of to try to make him seem white but they forgot to wash the books written that went abroad identifying him as black. Just like Shakespeare was black.
I believe it! He went deaf and STILL felt a beat and created them!
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:06 AM Author: '"''"''"" Babe Ruth thought up the idea of trying to hit home runs instead of slap singles and changed the whole game of baseball. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40571875) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 2:08 AM Author: ;;;.;..;;;.. (luis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40572170) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:08 AM Author: @therealpeternorth (No L's PN) need To Be Fair to unretire for this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40571883) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:23 AM Author: I understand and no longer wish to continue Nietzsche (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40571914) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 2:02 AM Author: nyuug (ITT: what the third world looks sounds and feels like) koreans DOMINATE the WGWAG scene and it's not even close bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40572155) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 2:08 AM Author: ;;;.;..;;;.. (luis) Mozart wrote an insane amount of music despite dying at 35 or whatever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40572174) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 2:15 AM Author: FUCK AMERICA Bach is so much exponentially more prolific than Beethoven that it’s almost embarrassing you would write this
Bach literally invented all possible thematic non-chromatic musical variations IN ONE LIFETIME you pissant aural worm
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Date: July 9th, 2020 2:18 AM Author: I am thinking of aurochs and angels arguably bach isn't classical. but without argument bach's st matthew's passion alone is significantly better than all of beethoveen's works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40572192) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 2:26 AM Author: '""""'" Hitler literally dominated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579758&forum_id=2#40572207) |
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