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MGS3 is the greatest video game. Change my mind.
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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:34 PM Author: territorial state fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#42244848) |
Date: September 24th, 2021 7:20 PM Author: Bistre Property There is something that I see Kojima do over and over where he basically tells you the twist early on. He shows the DARPA chief getting killed on the torture rack in MGS1. But when it happens, you don't know wtf is happening, but he fucking shows you and you're probably surprised later somehow when he tells you again. He did the same thing at the start of operation snake eater — basically telling you exactly what The Boss's mission is if you read slightly between the lines. So, he could've done the ending without the narration, which would make it a higher-IQ game, but he shrewdly, and correctly, chose not to overestimate his fanbase. I'm not exactly sure if the ending even qualifies as a twist, but I'd appreciate some more subtlety.
MGS3 btw is a seminal Game and, along with Fight Club and MGS2, an important Game for the PS2. However, I still think that MGS2 hit harder in its day, having perfected the old-fashioned stealth gameplay while also predicting the various MSM/big tech blackouts we suffer through today. |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 7:25 PM Author: Bonkers sweet tailpipe sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43172747) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 7:33 PM Author: Bistre Property I have thought this for years about that game's ending. I managed to play almost the entire game in front of my Woman while she was captive on the couch for some reason (Sewing or on dialysis maybe idk). She, a fan of some of the worst Films I have ever seen based on her netflix recommendations, mocked Eva's voiceover. She was like, "she was FORBIDDEN... haha (champ)." and it wasn't out of context, she knew the story basically. I'll also add that it's confusing af because in the scene where Eva rides off and Snake is listening to the recording, you see it self-destruct. But somehow there was more? Yeah, ok. That's how I concluded that Kojima added the narration after. In Film, Narration is often frowned upon, and for good reason imo. |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 7:35 PM Author: Bonkers sweet tailpipe sneaky criminal More please How did you feel about MGS5 |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 7:49 PM Author: Bistre Property The story was total shit. The Skull Face jeep ride alone is ruinous. (note: doodikoff liked the story) The only part of the story that was good imo was Kiefer's performance. "They're no sons of mind.... and they're sure as hell not me,"
Gameplay-wise, iirc I've gotten the top rank in MGS1-MGS4 but with MGS5 it was just too much and I couldn't tell if they outsourced some of the development to lazy westerners or something. I think I got to the mission where you rescue Otacon from the lab, and Metal Gear is chasing you, and you have to hide from it, and I just couldn't S-rank it. I didn't know how to hide so the thing would never see me. Felt like I was playing some shit "stealth" game like Hitman, Engineered by Western Nerds making $77k in high COL areas, micromanaged by private equity Jews and their lackeys (and then later, the company goes bankrupt randomly like all western devs). With that said, if you just play the game normally, it actually has good stealth gameplay which, imo, MGS3-4 lacked as they represented an awkward transition away from Radar in an effort to be more realistic, but they replaced it with awkward af Camo. More broadly, since most of the world in TPP is empty af, you could make an argument that Ground Zeroes > TPP, but that's not a can of worms (or a flame war) that I'll open itt. Camp Omega is a triumph, and hornless Big Boss proper is a privilege to play as. For me, killing those Marines while the American flag waves is more than worth the price of admission - very few games have you doing anything like this. MGS2 just had you sneaking past Marines, and even touching one would give you a game over. I think Kojima saw that our empire was unraveling and that it would be nbd to depict Marines killed savagely by Big Boss. GZ is arguably all we'll ever see of Big Boss being "bad" imho so it's an important entry for that reason.
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Date: September 24th, 2021 7:52 PM Author: Bistre Property https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/3/1d/70423/mgo1.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43172903) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 9:59 PM Author: Bonkers sweet tailpipe sneaky criminal I actually really enjoyed the Skull Face jeep ride scene tbh. Definitely got what Kojima was going for That mission running from Metal Gear was dreadful though, I agree. The stealth mechanics barely worked there and I'm convinced that the devs legitimately fucked up how that was supposed to play out. S ranking it was basically just a matter of pure luck, which is terrible to have in vg |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 9:59 PM Author: Bistre Property I didn’t afaik (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43173526) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:02 PM Author: Bonkers sweet tailpipe sneaky criminal There's me in the middle Did you do the multiplayer at all? I didn't really, idk if it was any good but some people (probably GameFAQs users and doodikoff, tbf) seemed to like it |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:05 PM Author: Bistre Property Yeah but in like 2016, I don’t remember. It’s not bad or anything. Iirc it was just like playing another FPS
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Date: September 24th, 2021 7:34 PM Author: Contagious Abode Gay Wizard When I was 10 I would have agreed. These days, I dont care. Because I’m not 10 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43172799) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 7:35 PM Author: Bistre Property .....................champ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43172801) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 7:35 PM Author: Bonkers sweet tailpipe sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43172804) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 9:58 PM Author: Pearly offensive ladyboy persian Rare CR from cowgod
MGS3 was a complete triumph. Loved every bit of it and it had the most memorable final boss of all time. Easily a top two game of all time IMO
And I never said that MGS5 had a good story. It’s gameplay was sublime though |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 9:59 PM Author: Bistre Property You said this recently in one of your Xbox threads, champ. Or that it was “fine.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43173524) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:05 PM Author: Pearly offensive ladyboy persian It was fine though. Just unfinished (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43173573) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:11 PM Author: Bistre Property Kojima puts overarching Themes in his best games:
MGS1: Genotype/phenotype MGS2: Memes MGS3: “Scenery”
MGS4 is lol and MGS5 is just some shit about languages that nobody cares about. I mean Cyprus was awesome but nothing else was memorable
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:12 PM Author: Appetizing Weed Whacker that fight where you face off with the female sniper bitch in MGS5 was awesome though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43173608) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:14 PM Author: Bistre Property The fight with The End was better than that. Although I find that fight overrated and would almost always just run him down. Why try to snipe in that massive area? Takes as long as it would irl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43173621) |
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Date: September 25th, 2021 12:21 AM Author: Pearly offensive ladyboy persian The sniper fight was epic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43174163) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:13 PM Author: ruddy wonderful plaza MGS5 gameplay is revolutionary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43173615) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:14 PM Author: Appetizing Weed Whacker yeah the mechanics and everything were top notch, you could just have your own fun infiltrating a random village, I didn't even care about the "story" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43173620) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:15 PM Author: Bistre Property The map was empty
Most games shouldn’t even have stories/cutscenes but Kojima deserves a Platform imo |
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Date: September 25th, 2021 12:36 AM Author: ruddy wonderful plaza The gameplay literally was Kojima's vision back when he created the first Metal Gear game in 1987 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43174185) |
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Date: September 24th, 2021 10:06 PM Author: Appetizing Weed Whacker it's up there, that one for the Game Boy or whatever was great too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43173582) |
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Date: September 25th, 2021 1:11 AM Author: Sapphire Indian Lodge What about thps3? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#43174243) |
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Date: March 24th, 2023 3:16 PM Author: Bistre Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#46092559) |
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Date: March 24th, 2023 3:16 PM Author: Odious Fluffy Church Building I can't argue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806239&forum_id=2#46092563) |