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what do you think about this 21 year old escort?
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:07 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef https://preferred411.com/P354367
looks like trash but is confirmed 21
I think I will do hhour for $260
I am deadset against paying these whores $1 more than they are worth |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 11:21 AM Author: exciting half-breed 260 for hhr which is really a quick cbj and then she lays back and says, "Go ahead when you're ready"
Fuck outta here! |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 11:27 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef nope most dudes don't need an hour for sex
hours are a rip off! |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 1:02 PM Author: exciting half-breed incall, of course. You're not trying to get shot, robbed, arrested for some unrelated dumb shit.
But outcall, you have time to relax, chit-chat, and really do whatever you want to her.
hour is a good deal for out |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:01 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef most girls (especially young ones) prefer incall
generally the best you can hope for is to see her first for an incall and once she 'likes' you, she'll do a lot to keep seeing you
the way you have to frame this for them is NOT that you're desperate for female attention that you have to pay... it's that you see a lot of girls, but you think she's better than these other bitches so you're going to see her instead (as long as she behaves) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 3:59 PM Author: exciting half-breed Incalls are how you get cuaght in a sting by the Talquitt County Sheriff's Office.
You frame it by paying her money and being well-groomed when she arrives. She'll pick up on your chill vibe by the fact that you aren't trying to make her into an actual girlfriend.
THe majority of their clients are out of shape boomers. |
Date: April 15th, 2021 11:08 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle purple newt patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289015) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:10 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef i'm only fucking 2 escorts a week this is for next week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289031) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:12 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle purple newt patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289049) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:13 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef how many escorts should i be fucking a week? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289051) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:15 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle purple newt patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289068) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:17 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef bullshit this weekend I'm going to Luxury Spa on Harry Hines and creampieing a 40 year old Asian for $200
I'm all about putting my dick into as many hookers as possible, negotiating as little protection as possible, and taking advantage of drug addicted women |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 9:45 AM Author: Spectacular nighttime background story hominid But why? Like, it’s good (in a sense) that you’ve found what you love doing and you do it with vigor but like ... why does this appeal to you so? Can you explain in a few sentences? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42290358) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 10:28 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef I think a big part of it is how fucked up online dating is for everyone. Most women have a lot of choices and they get entitled so even if they 'settle' for you, they're going to treat you like they settled for you (and now you're going to have to 'invest' in this relationship more than I am investing in hhour with 21 year olds).
When it comes to pay2play, there are very few men that actually will pay for sex compared to the 'capacity' (lol) of whores trying to work. |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:14 PM Author: Massive Autistic Dragon bitches got a lot of bandwidth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42291991) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:18 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef yeah a whore can service about 17 cocks in a week working full time
so if she gets $300/cock that is $5100, even if she gives $2550 to "management" (on the low end this is Tyrone, but women actually make more effective pimps on the high end) still making $2500 wk without any education
seekingarrangement is actually destroying the high end escort market the same way UberBlack destroyed car service! |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:18 PM Author: tripping odious bbw ljl, if he wanted to have sex once or twice a year he'd just get married. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289081) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:20 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle purple newt patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289096) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:27 PM Author: tripping odious bbw Oh, shit, didn't notice the moniker. I have sex almost every day with your wife too, thank you for her service. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289139) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:52 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle purple newt patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289292) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 1:06 PM Author: exciting half-breed (Bros helping Bros) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42291479) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:08 PM Author: infuriating useless brakes pit Hypothetically, what's the absolute MAX you'd ever pay for a whore? What would it have to involve? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289016) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:12 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef at this point, $300
I fucked 3 early 20's escorts in the past week
22 year old Asian girl last Thursday $200 21 year old Russian Tuesday $300 would NOT kiss me... might see her again she is a reliable hole but honestly should've given me more for $300 21 year old redhead today $200 DFK, almost gave me bareback I've seen her about 6 times this month |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:26 PM Author: Racy Point Athletic Conference seek jesus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289134) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:09 PM Author: Pale Principal's Office Pretty good but favorite food pasta is a red flag. Pasta sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289021) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:13 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef 21 year olds are fucking stupid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289050) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:17 PM Author: tripping odious bbw CR, and who the fuck has WATER as their favorite drink? Feels like she's just fucking around at this point. Oh and her favorite flower is "Roses" also very original. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289077) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:18 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef 21 year olds are fucking dumb man
honestly $260 is kind of high for this skank
GPS |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 9:43 AM Author: Arousing Partner Kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42290343) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 1:03 PM Author: exciting half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42291452) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 11:17 AM Author: Greedy high-end new version mental disorder probably a cop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42290791) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 8:37 PM Author: startled chapel hissy fit pimp wrote all that resume shit you realize (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42294394) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 9:33 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef yeah like I care
the only question is what is the $/hole?
this girl seems like $130/hole... I won't pay more than $150
like to pay more like $100
that's how you have to think about this... |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:16 PM Author: French Haunted Graveyard Box Office I like her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289070) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:22 PM Author: Histrionic Hospital surfboard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289109) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:29 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef that means 'prone' these 21 year olds tell you this because they don't want to kiss you or look at you
i say no! DFK is mandatory! |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 1:03 PM Author: exciting half-breed EXPLAIN how the the negotiation for DFK proceeds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42291457) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 1:58 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef i don't negotiate lol I just try to do it
they try to say they prefer surfboard or k9! don't fall for this!
usually it's like they'll let you DFK if you see them regularly... it's honestly not as bad as a lot of things you could ask for |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:25 PM Author: Racy Point Athletic Conference she looks dead inside, and unconcerned about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289131) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:29 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef I mean she's selling herself to poasters for $260 which is $260 too high if you ask me
I'm going to look for an even younger girl |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:32 PM Author: Racy Point Athletic Conference i would pay extra for a lower age bracket, which is the point where it is a prize in and of itself, and has the right to command a premium. but not at 21, sadly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289168) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:26 PM Author: stirring range lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42292052) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:30 PM Author: gold bonkers crotch becky Godspeed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289155) |
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Date: April 15th, 2021 11:30 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef I feel like she should have more pictures for that price! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42289157) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 8:53 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef thinking about this one...
https://dallas.rubratings.com/191559
was thinking about seeing her a couple weeks ago but it's concerning she says 'she's not an escort'... mongers online report she will fuck for $100 if she thinks your normal
on the other hand pressuring a crazy young girl for sex seems like it could escalate... but i also understand why some girls don't like to think of themselves as prostitutes
but lol @ hot young girls being "I'm NOT an escort but $100 is $100"
also lol @ NO INDIANS |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 10:24 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef I think this is the better move personally (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42290527) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 8:09 PM Author: Clear violent lay She is at least worth a shot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42294228) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 9:35 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef should i wait for next week or hit her up tomorrow? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42294723) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 8:55 AM Author: Walnut station messiness you could spend a fraction of the money you spend on whores going to a strip club, become a regular, befriend the bouncers and bartenders with fat tips, and these girls will date you legit straight up. this is the life you want. embrace it fully not just on the more expensive outskirts and shadows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42290204) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 8:58 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef that's not how it works bro
dudes OVERPAY at strip clubs also two of the whores I fucked this month are out of work strippers INCLUDING the 21 year old I fucked on Tuesday |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 9:14 AM Author: Walnut station messiness wrong, wrong. don't pay for lapdances or the women there. go there and befriend bartenders and bouncers, the only thing you pay is tips for watered down drinks and coke bags. the girls will gravitate to a well-liked regular. then you'll get them for free. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42290255) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 9:27 AM Author: stimulating indigo juggernaut sounds like a lib romcom (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42290287) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 9:37 AM Author: Walnut station messiness don't need some polisci fag shitting up a thread. the fact this isn't common knowledge to you...go back to your dad's politics sunday afternoon fag gangbang, loser. men are talking here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42290319) |
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Date: April 17th, 2021 12:52 AM Author: French Haunted Graveyard Box Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42295578) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 1:06 PM Author: exciting half-breed To Be Fair,
$200 at a reasonably-price club can get you a pretty good experience.
I know of some clubs that charge $5 per lapdance. You drop $30 on a chick and you've got a new friend! Buy a couple of waterd-down drinks and you've dropped maybe $50.
At that point, she's totally up for whatever you want. She'll even give you her phone number to meet her outsidet he club. |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:04 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef is this club called "Harlem Nites"?
with pussy the best deal is generally to pay direct
even with a sugar baby, the indirect costs are often not considered! |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 4:01 PM Author: exciting half-breed Dunno what city ur in.
I know around me you can find totally nude clubs with $5-10 lapdances with touching allowed. . .to whatever extent she allows it. |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 11:26 PM Author: At-the-ready locus (Dude posting from 1982) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42311726) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 11:31 PM Author: ruby provocative business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42311750) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 10:33 AM Author: tripping odious bbw This is still worse than hookers even if it worked (which it probably won't unless you're 6 feet tall and fit, these women see men all the time). A lot of hassle when you can just go shopping and rent the affection of any woman you like, rather than doing triple inverted bankshots (maybe if I BECOME A REGULAR and TIP THE BARTENDERS a woman will be into me).
We're past this sort of bunker mentality thinking where we're constantly engaging in elaborate games to meet the whims of women. You can play this game if you care to, but if you're not poor there's a better life out there. |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 11:19 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef strippers are honestly pretty shitty hookers they are all about getting as much money and doing the least amount of work
the ideal escort is someone that genuinely loves sex. that doesn't mean she likes fucking all the dudes she fucks every day, but in general.
these girls are rare in the industry, but the process for finding them is not terrible you just have to fuck as many whores as possible until you find a gem! |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 11:24 AM Author: tripping odious bbw CR CR. And there's just no accounting for chemistry-- an escort might be great for you but shitty for some other guy and vice versa. Fuck as many whores as possible until you find one you like.
The only real problem is that this is a short term career for most providers, so it's not enough to find a girl you like-- she'll probably be done with this life soon. So I've found it's best to have two regular ones I like, then when one of them inevitably moves, retires, goes to teaching college, or whatever, start finding her replacement. |
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Date: April 17th, 2021 3:14 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef that's so true, that's why I'm not wasting time with this skank she is based out of California, so even if I 'like' her I only get to see her once for the inflated price of $260 hhour/$360 hour! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42295966) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 1:06 PM Author: Charismatic factory reset button clown (Florida Man) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42291481) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 1:59 PM Author: copper sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42291872) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:05 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef I'm a member of ECCIE we don't really do TER in Texas (I mean some do...) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42291910) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:07 PM Author: Massive Autistic Dragon you have such a strange schtick, "i love jewing down meth whores, but i hate kikes". it's part of what makes this place 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42291923) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:09 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef say what you want about meth but it keeps girls lean!
also they always need money and are willing to do whatever it takes to get it! |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:09 PM Author: Massive Autistic Dragon lmao
i aint mad at it. |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:11 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef see the problem with giving these girls too much money is then they think they are worth it! that's how they get Gold Pussy Syndrome because some simp falls in love with them and is like you're worth far more than $260
i say no! |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:13 PM Author: Massive Autistic Dragon i heard this in trump campaign voice and it went from great to outstanding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42291982) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 2:20 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef I think us men need to get together and stop paying these outrageous prices for pussy!
$200 should get you a skinny white or Asian girl $160 should get you a white BBW $80 for a black or Hispanic BBW
I'm not sure if Asian BBW's exist in numbers to have a market. Sure fetishists can pay more (and do!) but for normal sex, pussy is pussy! |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 4:02 PM Author: exciting half-breed anything below $200 is asking for an std (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42292662) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 4:06 PM Author: Maize goal in life ape you are taking my schtick to new heights, 180 brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42292690) |
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Date: April 16th, 2021 7:56 PM Author: cracking bright home macaca This is 180 degenerate content creation. Thank you for your service brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42294183) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 11:32 PM Author: ruby provocative business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42311753) |
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Date: April 17th, 2021 3:13 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef this skank wants THREE REFERENCES! fuck that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42295963) |
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Date: April 17th, 2021 3:20 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef Gold Pussy Syndrome knows no bounds! First she is asking $60 more than she is worth, now she wants 3 references to book!
these references are expensive in practice and she is "in college in California" (i.e. an escort in California) so after I burn these references I will not even have her as a reg |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 11:24 PM Author: Maize goal in life ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42311719) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 11:39 PM Author: tripping odious bbw Missed this when you first poasted but LJL @ references. The Nevada brothels are more expensive, but to me this is part of their charm, you just walk in and pick out a girl you like. None of this nonsense back and forth with referencing and screening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42311792) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 9:00 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef you gotta watch out for these girls... there was this legit hottie that started back in February, she wanted a RIDICULOUS amount of info
not only did you need references, you needed to be 'verified' on OH2 (basically kiss the ring of the king pimp)
oh and you had to write a description of yourself
so I was going to post some pictures and figure out how to 'kiss the ring' (you have to see one of his girls and have her vouch for you... one of the ones that aren't young hotties)
here is her response to the accusations:
Did you pimp tell you to post this? That FUCKING ASSHOLE tried to bare back me 3 times. I kick him out 35 min later. He walked out and said you're dead bitch. I am gonna ruin you. So fuck hi punk ass. Then he reported me to p411. 2 sides to every story! Piece of shit ass hole client. I have had no issues all these months. Only the one time someone who doesn't play by my rules decided to FUCKING start rumor and try to destroy me....you piece of shit asshole. Who are you? Why did you post? Makes me wonder why a girl posted this alert....OH ya hes mad cause I kept his 360 after 35 min not playing by my rules....fuck him! Next time tell your PIMP when he comes and meets me play by my rules. I don't do bare back. Stop asking me. If I tell you 3 times I am kicking you out and keeping your money. Get the fucking story straight. Of course p411 going to believe the PAYING CLIENT! He pays p411 membership. I wrote to p411 also explained my story. I don't care if they believe me or not. Tell your PIMP post his own shit and TELL THE TRUTH....nasty ass guy! I don't really care what he says...TELL THE TRUTH! Don't lie about what happened! And I am not working for your PIMP girl. I don't care how hard you try to recruit me. Back off. This is the last I will post of this. So people can assume and you can keep posting on me. I don't really care. |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 9:01 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef deleted all the pics and she is gone
these girls don't last |
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Date: April 26th, 2021 1:09 AM Author: very tactful brilliant persian office DESCRIBE how references work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42350232) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 11:35 AM Author: French Haunted Graveyard Box Office NV brothels are an insane ripoff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42313704) |
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Date: April 25th, 2021 10:02 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef insane! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42346564) |
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Date: April 25th, 2021 10:07 AM Author: tripping odious bbw You're paying for the convenience of showing up and picking what you want. You can bargain hunt if you like, but then you're doing this screening and flake bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42346578) |
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Date: April 26th, 2021 12:46 AM Author: French Haunted Graveyard Box Office It can't possibly be "convenient" since you're driving to the middle of nowhere. Convenient is ordering a whore like a pizza and having her show up at your door. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42350148) |
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Date: April 26th, 2021 11:36 AM Author: tripping odious bbw That would be nice, but this doesn't really exist. If she delivers herself to you, she wants twelve factor authentication, a credit card deposit, three references, a scan of your passport, and the results of your latest prostate exam. And then once there you have to consider the possibility she's there to rob you (she wants YOUR real name and references, but she won't give hers). Women are the market-makers here no matter what you do, so perhaps it's more precise to say that brothels are the least inconvenient option unless you're poor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42351887) |
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Date: April 26th, 2021 12:14 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef I don't know around here you can just give your review board handle a lot of times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42352134) |
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Date: April 20th, 2021 10:24 AM Author: Massive Autistic Dragon lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42313202) |
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Date: April 25th, 2021 7:35 PM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef reviews are saying she offers FULL GFE for $260
that's $60 more than I want to pay but variety is the spice of life |
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Date: April 25th, 2021 11:35 PM Author: tripping odious bbw What's $60? I'm guessing you've spent that much on a restaurant meal with some shrew where things went nowhere. Hookers are still a great value compared to the alternatives, don't chase yourself to infinity on getting yet more value (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42349884) |
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Date: April 26th, 2021 12:15 AM Author: Concupiscible primrose roast beef yeah, it gets addictive nickel and diming these whores down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4811840&forum_id=2#42350014) |