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just started running--want to qualify for boston marathon now badly
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Date: May 1st, 2021 4:18 PM Author: Dashing den but when I try to run fast my legs fucking hurt. Bullshit sport where you can't even train hard what the fuck? Like with lifting you go all out all the time and you get stronger but my fucking shins kill me if I try to progress in this sport fml (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383195) |
Date: May 1st, 2021 4:33 PM Author: Know-it-all Frisky Indian Lodge Private Investor you have to lots of slower running to build up mileage. once you can comfortably run 10-15 miles, then you can start incorporating some speedwork and/or doing more tempo runs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383234) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 4:48 PM Author: Dashing den Yes this is what people say. A few weeks ago I did 10 mi at 9:30 per mile and I felt fine.
My weekly mileages are 18, 6, 20, 15 for the past 4 weeks. Longest run was 10 miles @ 9:30. I did 3 mi at 7:50 on Monday this week and it fucked me up--could barely run on THURSDAY (only made it 2 miles). I shuffled 4 mi @ 10min/mi on the treadmill yesterday and felt OK. Going to try for 7-8 tomorrow at like 10min/mile and see what happens.
I'm frustrated b/c trying to increase mileage and it feels like I'm hitting a wall. Watching david goggins who is like just run a gazillion miles and it's discouraging. I feel like leg pain isn't supposed to be the hard part about training for a marathon.
I guess i just need to do 15-20 mi/week consistently for a few more weeks?
I'm signed up for Chicago in October and I want to do 3:30:00 for first marathon. Then qualify for Boston in 4Q22 |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:43 PM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Have you been fitted for a shoe? You're probably pronated or something. Your legs shouldn't hurt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383901) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:46 PM Author: Dashing den No I am flat footed tbh but I read something about how neutral shoes are as effective at preventing injury as stability shoes. Maybe I should try Arahis. I’m running in Nike epic react / infinity run now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383914) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 11:49 AM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Go see a pro and get fitted. Neutral shoes are just as good as preventing injuries as stabilized . . . if you don’t require a stabilized shoe.
When I got fitted I went to stabilized and one size large. I have no issues with bridge or leg pain any more. I still do light runs in neutral shoes.
Also use a runner’s lock tie for the laces.
You don’t seem to know a ton about this, and there is not a ton to know, but read running mags and blogs for a while, don’t listen to any one but find what works for you. |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:51 PM Author: Aphrodisiac forum Lol dude that's ambitious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383942) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:59 PM Author: Dashing den Are you for me, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383983) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:28 PM Author: twinkling motley institution queen of the night “I just started practicing for LSATs. Got 150s and want to get a 175.”
Ya, anything you want. Just put your mind to it and you can achieve anything. Really. This aphorism isn’t true in 99.9999 percent of cases but you’ll be that 1 in a million. |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:31 PM Author: Dashing den What are your credentials hm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384121) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:47 PM Author: twinkling motley institution queen of the night You’re either completely clueless about how running works or you’re flaming. Neither one is good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384195) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:58 PM Author: Dashing den Cool I MADE this thread looking for ADVICE and you have not contributed anything helpful or demonstrated expertise. ENJOY your PETTY poasting, friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384252) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 3:41 AM Author: twinkling motley institution queen of the night Sorry.
For longer distances, you need to SLOW down. If you can run 3 miles at an 8min/mi pace, you can’t just assume you can do the same at 13 miles or 26 miles. This part seems to get most people starting out.
Get a heart rate monitor, it’s incredibly helpful. Learn to use it.
Some of this is best done in a group. They’ll help motivate you and figure out some of the minor issues you might have.
Also you might need extra salt at long distances (keep some in a little baggie for long runs). Potassium and bananas also seem to help.
At long distances, annoyances that are otherwise unnoticeable become painful. Lotion all contact points, *especially* your nipples.
Gather some throw-away clothes. You’ll be waiting (and freezing) before the run events start. |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 3:38 PM Author: Dashing den TY brother. I mentally hate not running all out and I am struggling with not having a pretty positive split on every single run I do. Still working on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42467421) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:02 PM Author: Dashing den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383700) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:03 PM Author: mentally impaired primrose digit ratio age? height? weight? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383707) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:38 PM Author: Dashing den 30 5’11” 195 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383876) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:21 PM Author: twinkling motley institution queen of the night Do you plan to identify as a 60yo woman to qualify? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384083) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:39 PM Author: dead curious cruise ship Too heavy, even if you're ripped as fukkkk long distance running really rewards lower body weights. You'll hurt less at 175 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384158) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 8:01 PM Author: mentally impaired primrose digit ratio youre too fat. too much extra weight. get up to 6'1'' 160 then try again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384263) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 9:33 PM Author: Aphrodisiac forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384623) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 11:51 AM Author: Spruce field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42386749) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 12:27 PM Author: topaz depressive station woah big fella (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42386937) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:08 PM Author: pink therapy national I ran Boston. Rate me as a running shoe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383738) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 4:10 PM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Asics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42387905) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 4:27 PM Author: pink therapy national That hurts, bro. What did I ever do to you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42387980) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:08 PM Author: impressive location nibblets How is this not a spaceporn thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383741) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:41 PM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Boston qualifying time is legit fast even for seniors.
Maybe run one marathon first. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 4:58 PM Author: jade gunner skinny woman How else would he qualify without running one first? I don’t think Boston lets you fundraise into the race. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42388154) |
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Date: May 8th, 2021 5:39 PM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Yeah, that's my point. He should focus on the first marathon. Then he'll have a time and can compare it to Boston. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42425784) |
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Date: May 8th, 2021 5:52 PM Author: Dashing den i am shooting for a sub 3:30 in Chicago this october then qualify in a 4Q22 race (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42425835) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:42 PM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Speed work and never-ending hills are how you get fast enough for Boston. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383895) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:46 PM Author: Dashing den The point of this thread is that I’m frustrated I can’t do speed work bc my fucking legs it’s bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383920) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 11:50 AM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Get fitted shoes for your feet. Your shoes don’t fit.
Legs don’t stay in pain for weeks if you’re not doing it to them. |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:48 PM Author: pea-brained chad Cr, it’s basically about incline training (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383926) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 6:49 PM Author: concupiscible home fortuitous meteor Oh great, maybe if you work hard you too can be blown up by a musbro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42383934) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:43 PM Author: Saffron laughsome stage Run fast downhill it will make you faster not flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384170) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:50 PM Author: twinkling motley institution queen of the night And run a course that’s entirely downhill to qualify for Boston. Some of these events have like 50% qualifying rates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384216) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:53 PM Author: Saffron laughsome stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384226) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 7:56 PM Author: pink therapy national Scranton's "Steamtown Marathon" is popular for this reason. I qualified in Vermont. It had hills, but the more important factor is that it had a relatively small field of runners. You don't qualify in a big race like Chicago (which is totally flat and fast) because you have to fight your way around slowpokes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384238) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 8:01 PM Author: Dashing den REVEL is a company that puts on races specifically for runners to BQ with big (up to ~50k) downhills. “Jack and Jill” marathon is another (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42384260) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 3:46 AM Author: orchid deranged sandwich factory reset button Thought this would be a CSLG thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42385844) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 11:51 AM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Lol at a useful hobby. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42386750) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 12:03 PM Author: Marvelous angry property the qualifying standard for your age is 3:00 (three hours)
3:00 marathon is approximately 6:50 per mile
long way to go |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 12:25 PM Author: Dashing den I know- I think I can do 3:30 this October then aim for sub 3 in 4Q22 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42386922) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 4:09 PM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Join a running club. Just being pushed by others will shave a minute off your mile time in a few weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42387904) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 5:03 PM Author: jade gunner skinny woman Dude, if you just started running, you have to take it easy first. Muscle adapts quickly, but your ligaments and bones take a long time to adapt. You have to condition your joints, shins, and the bottoms of your feet for the constant repetitive strain they are going to take.
Once you can consistently run 60-90 minutes every other day, regardless of the speed, then you can really start working on the speedwork. Just slowly work your way up to running for 60 minutes. You’ll naturally start stretching some of your runs out as you get better conditioned. I’ve found that I perform best preparing for marathons running every other day, rather than every day.
Also, stick to dirt roads. They are way, way easier on your joints than asphalt. |
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Date: May 8th, 2021 5:06 PM Author: Dashing den hell yeah bros. ended up finishing last week @ 15 miles. Did 18 this week. slowed down a bit after I posted this and had minimal pain. also down a couple lbs. Im going to maek it.
I did:
last week: 3 / cross / lift legs / 2 / 4 / cross / 6 (M-S)
this week: lift legs / 3 / 4 / cross / 5 / 6 / rest (M-S) |
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Date: May 8th, 2021 5:40 PM Author: walnut 180 old irish cottage Rule of thumb is to increase your mileage by no more than 10 percent/week or you'll get injury pwned and lose weeks of training. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42425786) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 3:35 PM Author: Dashing den Hey guys thought I'd hop on to poast an update on my progress.
Did 22.2 mi this week w/ 4 days of running. Culminated in a "long run" today of 7mi, which I did @ ~9:30 / mi (you'll remember my goal MARATHON pace for this fall is 8:00 / mi or 3:30:00.
Finally went in today to be "fitted" for a shoe b/c my shins were lit up again on my run today. I have been running in nike epic react 2, which is a neutral shoe, but the lady said it was actually a stability shoe (whatever). She agreed stability would be good and said Arahi 5 (which I originally picked out) would be good.
She told my my feet aren't wide, which I thought they were, which is great news--means I can RACE in the NEXT%, hell yeah.
Here is my weekly mileage plan for the remaining weeks before my race:
17, 20, 25, 19, 20, 17, 23, 26, 21, 29, 30, 28, 33, 36,31, 34, 30, 35, 26, 19, 33.2 (this is 3 more weeks of doing my own thing before Hal Higdon Novice II plan starts)
Max weekly increase is 12% over prior max ( 25 mi week and 29 mi week)
Ran past a bunch of people in boston marathon gear today (think ppl break it out for weekend long runs) and can't wait to cop
Anyway, gotta go |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 4:14 PM Author: Beady-eyed sienna striped hyena Baby steps. Try for a decent 5 or 10 k first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42467529) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 4:33 PM Author: Dashing den what do you consider to be a "decent" 5-10K? based on my research, training for 5-10k is essentially the same as marathon training--getting weekly miles up bigly, couple of quality / speed training sessions per week. Based on VDOT tables, a sub-3hr marathon (BQ time) equates to a 18:45 5K/ 39:00 10K. My best 10K so far was 49:00 (regular running, not a race--could have run harder). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42467600) |
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Date: June 14th, 2021 6:58 PM Author: Dashing den Hi everyone,
Just thought I'd update you all on my progress. Here are my weekly MPW / Long run distances over the last 8 weeks:
20.1 / 5.0 15.0 / 6.0 17.7 / 5.5 22.2 / 7.0 22.1 / 7.5 22.6 / 10.0 26.2 / 8.0 (started running 5 days per week this week, and started HIGDON intermediate 1 plan - I have 16 weeks left) 26.4 / 9.4
Obviously have increased my mileage substantially, but I'm not getting significantly faster. Pretty hard to track performance over time because it's getting hot AF, which is killing me cardiovascularly. Generally I'm still running just under 9 minutes per mile on shorter runs and just under 10 min per mile on long runs.
No concerning pain, but I am tired as hell on long run days and I'm eating a lot more (losing a little weight).
Hope I can make it to a 3:30:00 in October, but may end up with a 3:45 or so and chalk this up to a base building training block. Think I will qualify for boston but may take a little longer than I originally thought.
Pls let me know if any questions / comments on the above.
Thanks,
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Date: June 14th, 2021 7:41 PM Author: Lilac contagious stag film Wishing you luck, but you are a long, long, long way off from a 3:30 marathon. Think a year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42627576) |
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Date: June 14th, 2021 7:58 PM Author: Dashing den Happy to hear you are for me, friend. I will keep you updated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42627656) |
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Date: June 14th, 2021 8:05 PM Author: Lilac contagious stag film Just don't overdo it and injure yourself. Then you'll lose weeks or months. Accept that it will take some real time to build a proper base. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42627689) |
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Date: June 14th, 2021 10:03 PM Author: Dashing den I know. I am following a plan closely bc scared of injuring myself. The most frustrating part about training to go faster is that you can't just go all out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42628408) |
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Date: June 14th, 2021 7:51 PM Author: Know-it-all Frisky Indian Lodge Private Investor at the most basic level running rewards miles logged. sure, some people are more “natural” runners, but it is a sport that is suited to grinders (particularly, half marathon and over distances)
to achieve your goal u need to get on a marathon specific training plan and working toward running 50-60 mile weeks (yes, training for a marathon is a huge time suck...)
I’d also suggest signing up for a bunch of 5k/10k races and half a marathons — they will give u an indication of how u are progressing. u want to be doing sub 20 for the 5k (ideally sub 19) and sub 40 for the 10k. Likewise for a half marathon u should be in the 1:20-1:30 range (suffice to say, negative splitting a full marathon is fairly rare...)
oh, and as one of the poasters above mentioned: if u join a running club it can become a social activity. this can be a plus if u need motivation etc but others prefer the solitary nature of running. each to their own |
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Date: June 14th, 2021 7:57 PM Author: Dashing den I am doing HIGDON plan: https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/marathon-training/intermediate-1-marathon/
Everyone says pfitzinger plan, but my base mileage isn't high enough yet. Working on it. The plan I'm on peaks at 44mpw. I may give it a go next cycle. |
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Date: June 14th, 2021 7:59 PM Author: Know-it-all Frisky Indian Lodge Private Investor good luck! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42627664) |
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Date: June 14th, 2021 7:53 PM Author: Orange Ungodly Lodge Cuck I ran a 4:15 mile in high school and even I struggle to run qualifying times for the Boston Marathon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42627627) |
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Date: June 14th, 2021 7:56 PM Author: pink therapy national So you really let yourself go, eh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42627644) |
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Date: June 30th, 2021 6:29 PM Author: Dashing den UPDATE:
FML BROS injury looming again.
Over the last 4 weeks I've done 26, 26, 23 (planned down week) 21 MPW (Monday-Sunday).
The 21 was bc I couldn't do my long run last Saturday (I scheduled 29 for the week). Shins were tight as shit--felt like I couldnt flex my foot downwards to push off and I was shuffling. Form was fucked up so I stopped running. Tried to do LR the next day but same thing--read online and decided to take a few days off running (just peloton & eliptical inbetween).
Came back to it 3 days after second attempt at LR and tried to do 6. Shins were still super tight and I made it through 4.5 pretty slowly / painfully @ ~9:30 per mile.
Have been quite thoughtful about increasing mileage and felt great up to this point AND i've averaged 20MPW over the last 11 weeks, so this is frustrating. I think it's because I moved from a very flat area to a very hilly one 2 weeks ago, so maybe put more strain on calves than I realized. Will not run until next LR on Saturday (12 mi), but IDK if I will be OK even by then. If I maek it, I will be at 17mi for the week...
At this rate IDK if I'll make boston even within the next 2 years.
Taking sympathy, advice, abuse ITT TYIA |
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Date: June 30th, 2021 10:03 PM Author: Dashing den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42714035) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 9:20 PM Author: Dashing den Hey guys thought id log in for an UPDATE:
Last time I checked in I had a lower leg thing that scared the shit out of me. Took a few days off though and got back into it. Missed one long run only.
Mileage / LR distance the last few weeks (Injury was Friday - Thursday of the first two weeks):
20 / N/A 16 / 12 24 / 9 29 / 14 30 / 15
Felt good on today's 15 mi long run and did it in 9 min / mile. Pretty hilly, 800 ft net elevation gain. After today, feel like 3:30 is definitely in striking distance for my totally flat marathon course.
Additional Q: would it be uncool to buy Next% carbon plate shoes @ 3:30 or do I need to be faster to use them (like trying to break 3:00)?
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Date: July 25th, 2021 9:27 PM Author: Hideous greedy deer antler public bath I know a dood who has qualified like 9 times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42840911) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 9:38 PM Author: Dashing den ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4824128&forum_id=2#42840974) |