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So obvious that LIFE begins at CONCEPTION

I can’t believe I used to buy the lib argument “...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
lol, trumpmos like you can hardly be considered "human&...
Dashing erotic rigor
  06/24/21
(Insane methhead felon Karen Tatum Jones unironically callin...
Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy
  06/24/21
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twisted emerald azn
  06/24/21
180
razzle-dazzle orchestra pit
  06/24/21
(pedophile)
lascivious plum striped hyena puppy
  06/24/21
abortion is kewl and we need much more
Fighting buck-toothed corner
  06/24/21
just because you wish you were an abortion doesnt mean you s...
razzle-dazzle orchestra pit
  06/24/21
most ppl prob wish they were aborted
Fighting buck-toothed corner
  06/24/21
nah ur just a mentally ill freak w a weird life
razzle-dazzle orchestra pit
  06/24/21
u are a mean person
Fighting buck-toothed corner
  06/24/21
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irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
im not the one saying we need to abort more ppl
razzle-dazzle orchestra pit
  06/24/21
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peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
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Honey-headed Menage
  06/24/21
abortion is not mean
Fighting buck-toothed corner
  06/24/21
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Offensive Charismatic Station Kitty
  06/24/21
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Adventurous hateful institution persian
  06/25/21
if life is just dividing cells technically life began 3 bill...
Cruel-hearted Stag Film Mad Cow Disease
  06/24/21
The cells 3 billions of years ago didn’t turn into a h...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
Human life is any living unique set of human DNA.
Mint sinister lodge
  06/24/21
>life is anything living rock solid reasoning, no taut...
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
Human life is not dead human corpses who have a unique set o...
Mint sinister lodge
  06/24/21
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fiercely-loyal principal's office
  06/24/21
Some human life isn't worth much.
sadistic coral sanctuary windowlicker
  06/25/21
That’s really not the right question to be asking , th...
rose flatulent native
  06/24/21
It is a fine question to be asking, since the things society...
Honey-headed Menage
  06/24/21
I’m not going to get into another debate about abortio...
rose flatulent native
  06/24/21
Never had a debate about abortion with you fag
Honey-headed Menage
  06/24/21
Seek Jesus
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
We don’t have societal rights; we have individual righ...
Mint sinister lodge
  06/24/21
I've noticed that the new SCOTUS case has prompted the quest...
Ebony Church
  06/24/21
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mind-boggling home
  06/24/21
https://streamable.com/yra5bn
mind-boggling home
  06/24/21
Whoa
cream contagious parlor shitlib
  06/25/21
This place routinely advises against saying certain truths o...
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWsm2JnDIC0
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
...
mind-boggling home
  06/24/21
MUST-WATCH https://streamable.com/yra5bn
mind-boggling home
  06/24/21
I don’t follow that debate, but “life begins at ...
Electric Dingle Berry Nowag
  06/24/21
consciousness is what's important imo. we slaughter animals ...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
it's humanity that's important that's why we dont slaughter ...
razzle-dazzle orchestra pit
  06/24/21
(guy unfamiliar with humanity)
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
yes i would put abortion in the same category of fucked up i...
razzle-dazzle orchestra pit
  06/24/21
Convenience is what's important, and that's why both human a...
Honey-headed Menage
  06/24/21
It’s convenient to kill your enemies and I don’t...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
...
Carnelian adulterous knife
  06/24/21
Pretty big difference between killing a pig and a human brot...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
yeah one is conscious and the other isn't
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
Humanity is gods highest creation
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
god better get back to the drawing board then.
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
So, totally cool to slaughter humans if they are unconscious...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
one weird trick: never sleep
poppy tank
  06/25/21
...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
minor difference
Honey-headed Menage
  06/24/21
Whatever position you take, wherever you suggest we draw the...
Electric Dingle Berry Nowag
  06/24/21
To reject that would be to reject the definition of the word...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
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Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
Plausibly but then you have to be disingenuous about what th...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
...
mentally impaired boistinker locale
  06/24/21
it is morally wrong to slaughter animals for food in the fas...
Honey-headed Menage
  06/24/21
what about a person who has been born, is living outside the...
mentally impaired boistinker locale
  06/24/21
what about them? they are still conscious.
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
When does "conscious" happen? The moment the baby ...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
Yeah nobody knows for sure. It is just an intuition that peo...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
why does consciousness have any value/why should we value it...
razzle-dazzle orchestra pit
  06/24/21
it doesn't have any value, but it amplifies harm to such a d...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
So you think it’s less wrong to kill a knocked out doo...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
1. There are lots of premature babies born at 7 or 8 months....
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
I am a person who strongly believes there are fates worse th...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
Sure, but you are imposing that view on the child. In other ...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
I'm not saying anything is "ok". imo nothing is &q...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
You are presenting arguments justifying abortion. Whether th...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
Is it okay to make the decision to conceive the baby on beha...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
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Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
Again, that logic would lead to us allowing the child to mak...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
So it is ok to conceive a baby with the understanding that y...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
I don't think they should be able to kill themselves. What I...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
It isn't a contradiction. Simply because I believe it is bet...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
Because once born the baby has the choice as to whether ks o...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
>you are imposing that view on the child He's imposing...
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
I like you as a poster but this is a retarded argument that ...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
I'm not making an argument and I'm not advocating for aborti...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
1. Should we not making stealing illegal because "peopl...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
If abortion is illegal, (1) the number of abortions performe...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
so make it illegal then, I already said I don't care. but it...
irate genital piercing
  06/24/21
Yes, people also have differing views as to when teenagers a...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
People different views on slavery, genocide, etc. Western c...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
...
Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
Say a poor drug addicted homeless women walks in 6 months pr...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
...
Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
Intense eye contact does not sound like a line to draw betwe...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
...
Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
>Intense eye contact does not sound like a line to draw b...
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
Why are you drawing a line where something turns from human ...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
lmfao I hope you are trolling? You think a person's rights t...
Honey-headed Menage
  06/24/21
...
Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
? So some people don't have the material goods that others ...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
...
Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
Great, if its not cut and dry, then why make the permanent d...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
...
Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
Well go take a AR to the ghetto and get going on your good d...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
...
Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
Over 50% of black babies in NYC are aborted and somehow libs...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
...
Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
You don't understand, he has appointed himself the grande ju...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
Do we define the end of someone’s life as when they lo...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
>Do we define the end of someone’s life as when the...
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
not always. as an example, I know someone who while pregnant...
mentally impaired boistinker locale
  06/24/21
FYI the arguments made in favor of abortion (i.e. denying th...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
"most defenders of abortion understand it's murder"...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
They understand that it is a killing of a human being. Murd...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
there are certainly people who have lost all touch with thei...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
I agree with all of this, but you don't see one problem: a l...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
That's an excellent point of course, and that story (whether...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
...
Snowy hyperactive abode
  06/28/21
I don’t think it is either. Most shtlibs try to say &...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
(law grad unironically asking "BUT WHERE DO WE DRAW THE...
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
So cool to kill people while they are asleep or in comas?
Mint sinister lodge
  06/24/21
tcr. i think the only rational pro-choice argument is "...
mentally impaired boistinker locale
  06/24/21
...
razzle-dazzle orchestra pit
  06/24/21
Its also morally disgusting, if at least consistent and hone...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
cr on both thoughts, and that's why defenders of abortion ha...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
agreed. i really try to stay out of the debate because i don...
mentally impaired boistinker locale
  06/24/21
The thing is, the "woman's rights" isn't bullshit....
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
very good poast
Spectacular property background story
  06/24/21
A woman can still control when she’s pregnant with bir...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
Two points: the reality of sex is that there isn't always pr...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
excellent post
mentally impaired boistinker locale
  06/24/21
...
Multi-colored casino
  06/24/21
...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
all arguments about abortion are ultimately moral in nature,...
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
link?
mentally impaired boistinker locale
  06/24/21
Numbers 5:11-31 quoted, in part, "20 . . . if you...
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
"Bible is explicitly OK with abortion in at least one s...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
ordeal of the bitter water basically if a husband thinks ...
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
I dont read that as anything besides describing a barbaric r...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
Numbers 5 doesn’t presuppose a pregnancy, just defilem...
Snowy hyperactive abode
  06/25/21
>An abortion if what? Of life. of a pregnancy
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
India does not to be having the abortion. Families must birt...
Umber effete affirmative action
  06/24/21
Abortion is good but Roe v Wade is an indefensible abominati...
Beady-eyed Base Roommate
  06/24/21
...
Titillating box office
  06/24/21
ah yes, the good old days when people bothered to debate lib...
Exciting Step-uncle's House
  06/24/21
Khan presents it logically: https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Ebony Church
  06/24/21
excellent clip, tyft
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
i was impressed, to be honest. i always thought of him as a ...
Ebony Church
  06/24/21
...
Offensive Charismatic Station Kitty
  06/24/21
didn't the church consider abortion to not be sin until the ...
Titillating box office
  06/24/21
Naw, there was disagreement among the early church fathers a...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
what was the debate on ensoulment and where did the catholic...
Titillating box office
  06/24/21
Many of the early fathers borrowed from the Greeks and thoug...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
tyft
Titillating box office
  06/24/21
I can’t tell if you’re talking about ancient Gre...
haunting self-absorbed people who are hurt
  06/25/21
There was a series done about how early the horrors of abort...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/24/21
Can you clarify this post?
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
I can't, this was the subject of some sermons from the pasto...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/25/21
evangelicals were officially pro-choice until like the 70s
Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth
  06/24/21
You are correct. St Augustine held ensoulment to occur unt...
haunting self-absorbed people who are hurt
  06/25/21
All aborted babies and miscarriages are in heaven with Jesus...
Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy
  06/24/21
...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
doubtful if you believe that everyone is born in sin.
mentally impaired boistinker locale
  06/24/21
What lol
Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy
  06/24/21
I mean this is heavily debated by smart people operating in ...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
If god is just they are either in heaven or placed in a new ...
Mint sinister lodge
  06/24/21
...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
technically, they weren't born at all.
Swashbuckling carmine address
  06/25/21
i guess that might undermine the the belief that life starts...
mentally impaired boistinker locale
  06/25/21
This is the only logical Christian conclusion
Mint sinister lodge
  06/24/21
Yes and many people who have been to heaven have seen them.
Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy
  06/24/21
Why is consciousness a red herring for pro abortion argument...
Costumed yarmulke ceo
  06/24/21
Because if consciousness is the line that you are going to d...
supple ocher pervert
  06/24/21
Ty
Costumed yarmulke ceo
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...
razzle-dazzle orchestra pit
  06/24/21
...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
...
Snowy hyperactive abode
  06/28/21
yeah anybody who argues that life doesn't begin at conceptio...
Spectacular property background story
  06/24/21
This is such an obvious statement bizarre how brainwashed an...
Mint sinister lodge
  06/24/21
It's lulzy to consider what a rollback of abortion rights wo...
Pink plaza
  06/24/21
Yes exactly where do we draw the line?
Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy
  06/24/21
How do you “rape” a girl you know. Like you are...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
by being born below 6 feet tall
Spectacular property background story
  06/24/21
When i was a gaytheist, i bought the consciousness argument ...
amber house organic girlfriend
  06/24/21
What’s a haunted pussy?
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
They remove the body when an unborn baby dies in there, but ...
amber house organic girlfriend
  06/24/21
Lmao
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
Lol wtf
dark talking selfie jewess
  06/25/21
infanticide is cr and yes it's the only actually logical and...
Spectacular property background story
  06/24/21
There is still birth control if abortion is illegal so prema...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
....this is like saying that pulling out is still an option ...
Spectacular property background story
  06/24/21
Pulling out works bro. Sorry about your lack of cock control...
gold well-lubricated range juggernaut
  06/24/21
I agree it would be better for female sexuality to be regula...
amber house organic girlfriend
  06/24/21
i don't think that these two things are mutually exclusive a...
Spectacular property background story
  06/24/21
"Or even consciously realize it" might have been r...
amber house organic girlfriend
  06/24/21
sure, there's less of a stigma against abortion today than t...
Spectacular property background story
  06/24/21
Sorry re: graph, phonepoasters should be shot, starting with...
amber house organic girlfriend
  06/24/21
Should abortion be permitted in exceptional circumstances, s...
Costumed yarmulke ceo
  06/24/21
Yes.
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
...
Fishy kitty cat cruise ship
  06/24/21
The only counterargument I'd make is "life begins at im...
180 henna resort love of her life
  06/24/21
Child is crowning in the birth canal: “until it takes ...
Snowy hyperactive abode
  06/24/21
...
peach shrine becky
  06/24/21
...
Swashbuckling carmine address
  06/25/21
Despite being a big Trumpmo, the Right's position on abortio...
fiercely-loyal principal's office
  06/24/21
At this point it’s a lost cause that it will ever be o...
Greedy translucent son of senegal
  06/24/21
I think it is all a stupid argument because "human life...
fiercely-loyal principal's office
  06/24/21
I’m only ok with abortion being legal due to the pract...
Big degenerate
  06/24/21
There is no more direct and literal application of Romans 6:...
maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman
  06/25/21
...
Snowy hyperactive abode
  06/25/21
The fact that public opinion has not moved on this issue in ...
Laughsome business firm trust fund
  06/24/21
Libs never argue facts and they are damn good at it
Mint sinister lodge
  06/24/21
“Life” begins when you’ve completed your c...
crusty rigpig
  06/25/21
our culture doesnt have one
jet-lagged pit
  06/25/21
Really makes you think
dark talking selfie jewess
  06/25/21
Hence your “life” became checking commas in a sl...
crusty rigpig
  06/25/21
correct
jet-lagged pit
  06/25/21
life obviously starts at conception and LOL at upthread pant...
disrespectful spot
  06/25/21
life begins at MY MASTERS
Adventurous hateful institution persian
  06/25/21
...
Snowy hyperactive abode
  06/28/21
...
frozen heady indian lodge
  06/29/21
https://babylonbee.com/news/nation-that-kills-3000-babies-a-...
abnormal vivacious forum gunner
  06/29/21
I don't assign any value to a pre-sentient fetus. I am ho...
slate keepsake machete
  07/11/21


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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:05 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

I can’t believe I used to buy the lib argument “a 16 cell blastosphere ith not human”. If it’s not human then what is it shitlib? It’s common sense when the baby starts growing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678408)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:29 AM
Author: Dashing erotic rigor

lol, trumpmos like you can hardly be considered "human" - ur inferior genetics make u shit. and human votes are diluted by shit like you, that's the real tragedy shitboi.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678879)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:35 AM
Author: Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy

(Insane methhead felon Karen Tatum Jones unironically calling other people pieces of shit)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678910)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 2:13 PM
Author: twisted emerald azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679844)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 2:14 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle orchestra pit

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679850)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:51 AM
Author: lascivious plum striped hyena puppy

(pedophile)

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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:05 AM
Author: Fighting buck-toothed corner

abortion is kewl and we need much more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678411)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:06 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle orchestra pit

just because you wish you were an abortion doesnt mean you should wish that on everyone else tommy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678412)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:09 AM
Author: Fighting buck-toothed corner

most ppl prob wish they were aborted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678431)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:11 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle orchestra pit

nah ur just a mentally ill freak w a weird life

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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:12 AM
Author: Fighting buck-toothed corner

u are a mean person

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678458)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:13 AM
Author: irate genital piercing



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:15 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle orchestra pit

im not the one saying we need to abort more ppl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678475)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:15 AM
Author: peach shrine becky



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:18 AM
Author: Honey-headed Menage



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:37 AM
Author: Fighting buck-toothed corner

abortion is not mean

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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:44 AM
Author: Offensive Charismatic Station Kitty



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Date: June 25th, 2021 1:36 PM
Author: Adventurous hateful institution persian



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:06 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted Stag Film Mad Cow Disease

if life is just dividing cells technically life began 3 billion years ago

if human life is consciousness then you have to wait for some brain development

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678414)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:09 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

The cells 3 billions of years ago didn’t turn into a human. These do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678436)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:28 AM
Author: Mint sinister lodge

Human life is any living unique set of human DNA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678868)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:36 AM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

>life is anything living

rock solid reasoning, no tautologies here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678920)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:56 PM
Author: Mint sinister lodge

Human life is not dead human corpses who have a unique set of DNA despite being dead. Try again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679361)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 5:05 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42680852)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 3:08 AM
Author: sadistic coral sanctuary windowlicker

Some human life isn't worth much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42683235)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:06 AM
Author: rose flatulent native

That’s really not the right question to be asking , there are plenty of things society values more than “life”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678417)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:20 AM
Author: Honey-headed Menage

It is a fine question to be asking, since the things society values get more insane and kafka-esque daily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678514)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:25 AM
Author: rose flatulent native

I’m not going to get into another debate about abortion with you, little Christcuck retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678555)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:26 AM
Author: Honey-headed Menage

Never had a debate about abortion with you fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678558)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:28 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

Seek Jesus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678568)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:29 AM
Author: Mint sinister lodge

We don’t have societal rights; we have individual rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678876)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:06 AM
Author: Ebony Church

I've noticed that the new SCOTUS case has prompted the question, "is a 15 week old fetus a human being?" and Pelosi and Psaki were visibly afraid of the question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678419)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:09 AM
Author: mind-boggling home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678433)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:12 AM
Author: mind-boggling home

https://streamable.com/yra5bn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678454)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 2:54 AM
Author: cream contagious parlor shitlib

Whoa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42683221)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:40 AM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

This place routinely advises against saying certain truths out loud because of social scorn, so you're really not saying much beyond "it's politically infeasible to say something"

Like you'd probably agree we need to cut funding to Israel, but I think you'd acknowledge that Pelosi and Psaki would not want to suggest that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678938)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:12 AM
Author: peach shrine becky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWsm2JnDIC0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678450)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:12 AM
Author: mind-boggling home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678457)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:12 AM
Author: mind-boggling home

MUST-WATCH

https://streamable.com/yra5bn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678453)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:14 AM
Author: Electric Dingle Berry Nowag

I don’t follow that debate, but “life begins at conception” seems like a perfectly reasonable and strong starting premise.

I mean the procedure is literally called “abortion.”

An abortion if what? Of life.

So it seems like pro-abortion folks have to concede this premise and focus on “oh well it’s morally okay to kill a fetus at this stage or that stage”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678466)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:16 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

consciousness is what's important imo. we slaughter animals for food or otherwise, and a pig seems significantly more conscious and sentient than a fetus to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678484)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:18 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle orchestra pit

it's humanity that's important that's why we dont slaughter ppl for meat or maybe its just too expensive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678498)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:19 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

(guy unfamiliar with humanity)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678503)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:20 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle orchestra pit

yes i would put abortion in the same category of fucked up indigence/barbarism as human sacrifice and cannibalism which ppl did forever wow what an edgy take fuckin idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678519)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:25 AM
Author: Honey-headed Menage

Convenience is what's important, and that's why both human and animal slaughter is permitted and celebrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678556)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:30 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

It’s convenient to kill your enemies and I don’t do it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678574)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:50 AM
Author: Carnelian adulterous knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678706)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:18 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

Pretty big difference between killing a pig and a human brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678500)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:19 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

yeah one is conscious and the other isn't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678506)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:20 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

Humanity is gods highest creation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678516)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:21 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

god better get back to the drawing board then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678521)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:20 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

So, totally cool to slaughter humans if they are unconscious?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678510)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 12:05 AM
Author: poppy tank

one weird trick: never sleep

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42682730)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:20 AM
Author: peach shrine becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678511)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:20 AM
Author: Honey-headed Menage

minor difference

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678517)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:20 AM
Author: Electric Dingle Berry Nowag

Whatever position you take, wherever you suggest we draw the line, that’s fine, but you have to concede that life starts at conception.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678508)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:21 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

To reject that would be to reject the definition of the word “start”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678525)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:22 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678535)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:32 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

Plausibly but then you have to be disingenuous about what the word start means an pick an arbitrary start point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678587)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:23 AM
Author: mentally impaired boistinker locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678540)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:21 AM
Author: Honey-headed Menage

it is morally wrong to slaughter animals for food in the fashion we do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678520)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:22 AM
Author: mentally impaired boistinker locale

what about a person who has been born, is living outside the womb but is completely retarded?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678537)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:24 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

what about them? they are still conscious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678551)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:29 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

When does "conscious" happen? The moment the baby pops out of the women? Consciousness is not imbued on a child once it passes through its mother's vagina lips. There is no meaningful difference in the degree of consciousness between a 8 month old fetus and a 2 week old baby.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678571)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:33 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

Yeah nobody knows for sure. It is just an intuition that people have based on their own conscious experience. The argument that a fetus or anything in an embryonic state does not have the same fears, desires, and abstract consciousness of a "self" as a 2 week old baby seems accurate to me. But I don't have a strong conviction either way. My solution is to not make the fetus in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678589)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:34 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle orchestra pit

why does consciousness have any value/why should we value it wrt moral decisions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678604)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:36 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

it doesn't have any value, but it amplifies harm to such a degree that if you are imposing a moral framework, it plays a significant part in the measurement of how "wrong" it is to end one's life without their blessing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678613)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:41 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

So you think it’s less wrong to kill a knocked out dood than a conscious one? Why don we charge people with lesser crimes when they knock the person out first?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678647)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:37 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

1. There are lots of premature babies born at 7 or 8 months. Would a newly born 7 month old premature baby have this "consciousness" but an 8 month old fetus still in its mothers womb not? The only difference is that the fetus is actually more developed (brain, body, etc) but it just has not passed through a women's vagina (which seems to be your defining gateway for consciousness unless you want to argue its ok to kill newly born premature babies).

2. If you are genuinely uncertain about the line that needs to be drawn for when life & personhood begins, a reasonable person would conclude that its better to be safe and include fetuses. Its a simple matter of weighing Type 1 and 2 errors. If you are wrong the worst thing you have done is force mothers to carry their babies to term .If you are wrong in the other direction, you have allowed the mass slaughter of the most innocent humans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678617)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:39 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

I am a person who strongly believes there are fates worse than death. Not a popular opinion, but one I hold nonetheless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678629)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:41 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Sure, but you are imposing that view on the child. In other words, you can believe for yourself that there is a fate worse than death, and I'm fine with your acting in a manner consistent with that in your own life, but you cannot ascribe that view to others and force them to adhere to it.

Again, respond to my actual substantive point: If it is ok to kill an 8 month old fetus because of some "consciousness" argument, how does that not apply to a freshly born 7 month old premature baby. Futhermore, if you are uncertain, why would you pick the side that involves the risk for a catastrophic mistake (allowing babies to be killed) instead of the much less damaging risk (women carrying babies to term).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678645)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:44 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

I'm not saying anything is "ok". imo nothing is "ok" about anything. I am just offering my perception of why there is a debate about abortion rather than everyone agreeing it is some evil act of murder. and I don't agree that babies being carried to term is less damaging. the whole process of living and growing old is an extended ordeal of damage to the body and mind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678665)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:46 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

You are presenting arguments justifying abortion. Whether these are arguments you believe or just playing devils advocate is irrelevant, I and others will counter them.

You may feel like the process of living and growing old is worse than death, but you should not make that decision on behalf of the babies in their mother's womb. Your argument here is one that implies support for suicide assistance, not abortion. Interestingly, you claim that living in this world is worse than death, yet have not killed yourself. Seems like a contradiction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678679)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:50 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

Is it okay to make the decision to conceive the baby on behalf of the baby? When does it get a say on whether it wants to exist or not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678702)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:52 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678716)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:58 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Again, that logic would lead to us allowing the child to make the decision to kill themselves if they so choose. It does not lead to justifying abortion.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678739)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:01 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

So it is ok to conceive a baby with the understanding that your baby will have to make a decision about whether it wants to kill itself or not? I know you believe the answer is yes, as does most of humanity. But I don't see a huge difference in the morality between the conceiver and the abortionist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678748)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:03 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

I don't think they should be able to kill themselves. What I am saying is that your argument, if valid, would lead to that conclusion, NOT that we should make the decision on behalf of the child.

Again, its interesting you say all this, yet have not killed yourself. Performative contradiction much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678763)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:09 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

It isn't a contradiction. Simply because I believe it is better to have never been born doesn't mean by force of logic I should kill myself. I already exist and therefore am automatically biased towards my own existence, however pleasurable or miserable it may be. It's not like one can just blink themselves out of existence - suicide is a messy, painful and stressful ordeal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678803)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:05 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

Because once born the baby has the choice as to whether ks or not. For abortion you are making a choice on the childs behalf for them not to be born. The thing about conceivers vs abortionists is just ridiculous, anyone who conceives knows their kid might ultimately choose to live or die that’s part of the human condition

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678774)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:47 AM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

>you are imposing that view on the child

He's imposing that view on the fetus. You can't get into an argument about whether a fetus is a child and then equate the two as part of your reasoning. Did you to go GULC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678978)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:38 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

I like you as a poster but this is a retarded argument that makes no logical or moral sense. I understand why people make these arguments, being that you know it's wrong to kill people but modern morals also say that it's wrong to oppose abortion. However, you know that the above is indefensible on any ground and really is the equivalent of saying "here's how I justify not really thinking about moral implications of this problem."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678628)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:40 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

I'm not making an argument and I'm not advocating for abortion. Whether it is legal or not, people will find a way to get abortions if they want to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678640)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:43 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

1. Should we not making stealing illegal because "people will find a way to steal"

2. Every stat shows that once Roe passed, abortions skyrocketed. They went from 10 to 50k illegal abortions annually (numbers vary widely obviously) to over a million.

You need to stop. You have not thought about this issue enough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678656)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:43 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

If abortion is illegal, (1) the number of abortions performed will be dramatically decreased, and (2) the people who perform these can be prosecuted for their crimes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678662)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:46 AM
Author: irate genital piercing

so make it illegal then, I already said I don't care. but it doesn't change the fact that people will have differing views on where consciousness begins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678676)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:47 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Yes, people also have differing views as to when teenagers are mentally capable enough to sign contracts and vote, that does not change that their are persons. The consciousness thing is a red herring.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678686)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:51 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

People different views on slavery, genocide, etc. Western culture exalts objective truth and this objective truth has been the basis of moral reform since the days of antiquity.

None of this personally affects me either, I've never had a child aborted and I'm done having kids. However, it is no less irrational to be morally outraged by abortion than it is to be morally outraged over the actions of the Einsatzgruppen (who equally don't affect me).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678712)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:47 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678685)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:57 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Say a poor drug addicted homeless women walks in 6 months pregnant with a 2 year old toddler in tow. You would argue that you can justify aborting the 6 month old because they will likely live a difficult life. Wouldn't that same logic apply to the 2 year old? If the mom wanted them killed wouldnt the same justification work?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678733)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:03 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678762)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:05 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Intense eye contact does not sound like a line to draw between "its ok to kill" and "its not ok kill".

Also, I am addressing the argument "well the baby is going to likely have a hard life so its ok to kill it before its born". That argument is absurd on its face because of its similar application to toddlers born to shitty parents. I was not making a broader point beyond that.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678769)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:10 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678807)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:00 PM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

>Intense eye contact does not sound like a line to draw between "its ok to kill" and "its not ok kill".

how many times are you going to assume your conclusion as part of your reasoning

if you're trying to prove abortion is killing, you can't assume it's killing as part of your argument

here's an argument: there is a point between conception and birth where abortion becomes wrong because the fetus has become alive but unborn; aborting a blastocyst is fine because it hasn't reached that point; when a woman has been pregnant 9mos and the kid is about to be born, aborting it is wrong because it's an actual human being at that point

i don't know where the line is, so it seems both compassionate and straightforward to allow the pregnant woman to make the decision rather than me imposing my will on everyone, but once you get out of that fuzzy "somewhere around here life-hood attains" then it's fine to make it illegal

that's how we operate pretty much all other laws. Like it's immoral to fuck an 11yo, but it's moral to fuck an 18yo. We argue over where that line is between those two easy value judgments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679055)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:15 PM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

Why are you drawing a line where something turns from human to non human though and how is that not arbitrary? What exactly was the fetus before it was human? Conception is literally the start of the process so it makes sense to draw the line there but to draw it any other place you need some sort of criterion. Why not be better safe than sorry and draw the line at the obvious beginning?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679120)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:38 AM
Author: Honey-headed Menage

lmfao I hope you are trolling? You think a person's rights to life begin at "intense eye contact"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678928)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:43 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678949)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:59 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

? So some people don't have the material goods that others have, or they don't have a great family, that doesn't mean you're doing them a favor by killing them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678743)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:06 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678780)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:08 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Great, if its not cut and dry, then why make the permanent decision on the baby's behalf to end their life?

Anytime any pro abortion person retreats to "Well, we don't know for sure" or "its not cut and dry", you have instantly lost because uncertainty leads necessarily to the decision to take the least permanent and damaging route (e.g. letting the fetus live).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678796)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:22 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678854)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:08 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

Well go take a AR to the ghetto and get going on your good deeds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678798)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:17 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678835)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:22 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

Over 50% of black babies in NYC are aborted and somehow libs get a pass for arguing that abortion is justified because it is good for society (with that "good" being defined as a whole lot less black people).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678852)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:35 AM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678914)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:06 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

You don't understand, he has appointed himself the grande judge as to when someone's life will be worth living or not. Do not dare disagree with his Majesty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678783)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:34 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

Do we define the end of someone’s life as when they lose consciousness? Then why should we define that as the start?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678597)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:03 PM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

>Do we define the end of someone’s life as when they lose consciousness?

We actually don't have a good definition for the end of someone's life, so physicians are trained to use a series of tests, basically like the balancing and factorial tests we have in law

until relatively recently in medical practice the definition was "his heart stopped"

and it's entirely possible as science advances we'll have to revise it again

if we get good enough at prolonging life and fixing diseases and injuries, it might just be defined as "unable to return to normal function"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679070)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:37 AM
Author: mentally impaired boistinker locale

not always. as an example, I know someone who while pregnant, the child had a stroke which stopped the development of her brain.

she was born and physically grows but cannot communicate in any form, walk, move, eat on her own etc. She doesn't even cry when she's hungry or needs something.

Is this person "conscious" in any way that makes humans unique? More so than a dog?

I would say not, however, only a monster would be comfortable with killing this child.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678618)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:32 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

FYI the arguments made in favor of abortion (i.e. denying the humanity of an unborn child) can be easily made to deny the humanity of other people (plenty of past examples of this from slavery to ethnic cleansings).

We may live to see that argument transition in this country.

FYI: most defenders of abortion understand it's murder, they just hold other moral priorities above there aversion to murder in the case of abortion. We may live to see this popular twisted moral framework applied in other contexts in this country.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678582)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:38 AM
Author: peach shrine becky

"most defenders of abortion understand it's murder"

i dont think this is true, brother. or at least i hope its not..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678627)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:40 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

They understand that it is a killing of a human being. Murder is a loaded term, so the more artfully way of saying it is "killing of a human being." Murder implies that there is moral culpability, with proponents of abortion strongly believing that there is no moral culpability.

I used to fuck this girl in DC who worked at planned parenthood. She would have had no problem blasting a newborn baby in the face with a k98 and was perplexed that anyone could believe it would be a problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678643)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:58 AM
Author: peach shrine becky

there are certainly people who have lost all touch with their humanity that they could kill a newborn, or an even older child... and of course someone who worked at PP, particularly in DC could be such a person.. almost by definition, a person not capable of doing that, would not work at pp.

i just think most libs dont think alot of issues through logically.. or even if they try to, they get confused and avoid the "scary" lines of thought, and then just end up chalking things up to "nuance", well there's all this nuance you see, all this GREY AREA, you wouldnt be able to grasp it, reptile. you can rationalize almost anything if you make it fuzzy enough.

another point i think many people dont arrive at their own conclusions.. they view opinions the way they view clothing brands. whats fashionable right now? what can i virtue signal with? they adopt those opinions, and pick up the pre-fabricated talking points in "support" of those "opinions" and are gtg!

im saying all this not to remove agency from them. they are adults and are are responsible for their opinions and actions, even if they did not arrive at their opinions on their own.

i just have a feeling majority of them can still be saved, IF they are made to grasp that killing a fetus is killing a human life. i really dont think majority of them have ever though about the issue in those terms, and instead avoid it and focus on "choice", "womens rights", particularly because holding those opinions is "socially acceptable" in any "coastal elite" circles, and it's hard to go against the grain. very few people have the strength of character to go against what majority around them are saying.

how we go about convincing them, is of course a difficult topic, one i do not have an answer to right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678736)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:07 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

I agree with all of this, but you don't see one problem: a lot of women have had abortions, and almost all women have a friend who have had an abortion.

There is a story (or myth) that there was a German commander in Russia who wanted (or ordered) that all of his soldiers, from private to company staff, had to participate in the shooting of a civilian. The reason he did so was so that all of them would have a reason to defend what they were doing, that all human beings believe that they are a force of good, and if they did it, and their friends did it, it is morally justifiable.

To argue with a woman who has had an abortion that abortion is morally wrong is a no-go. She doesn't consider herself a murderer, and even if she has lingering doubts, she sure as shit isn't going to admit it. There have been 66 million abortions since Roe.

Thus, there will never be a consensus is this country on the issue if solely for the reason that so many have done this.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678791)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:26 AM
Author: peach shrine becky

That's an excellent point of course, and that story (whether true or not) is a great way to illustrate it.

I agree fully that is probably the state of affairs, at least on the coasts, although i would like to see the data on that statement ("a lot of women have had abortions, and almost all women have a friend who have had an abortion."). I think we have learned very well recently that it is not beyond libs to outright fabricate "studies", "polls", etc, in order to further convince society to move in that direction. And I think likely there have been studies on this very topic that were created solely to convince people "well, everybody's doing it, its ok!"

Again, I conceded I do not have a strategy on changing people's minds en masse on this topic, however I would warn against making statements like "there will never be a consensus is this country on the issue". This strikes me as very defeatist. "Blackpilling" is just not a viable strategy and ultimately just nihilism.

I believe all people are redeemable until they die. Whether they will have a coming to God moment or not, or what would trigger that I dont know. I just think we shouldnt write anybody off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678862)



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Date: June 28th, 2021 3:25 PM
Author: Snowy hyperactive abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42699801)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:51 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

I don’t think it is either. Most shtlibs try to say “it’s not living yet, it’s just a bunch of cells”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678708)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:36 AM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

(law grad unironically asking "BUT WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678919)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:30 AM
Author: Mint sinister lodge

So cool to kill people while they are asleep or in comas?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678884)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:22 AM
Author: mentally impaired boistinker locale

tcr. i think the only rational pro-choice argument is "a fetus is a life, but i'm comfortable ending the life in these circumstances."

This, of course, is not a politically viable argument.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678530)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:23 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678544)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:33 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Its also morally disgusting, if at least consistent and honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678590)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:45 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

cr on both thoughts, and that's why defenders of abortion have no choice but to engage in sophistry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678674)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:01 AM
Author: mentally impaired boistinker locale

agreed. i really try to stay out of the debate because i don't have strong feelings either way. kind of a copout if I concede that I believe the fetus is a life. anyway, the lib misdirection to make the issue about "women's rights" is very transparent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678745)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:20 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

The thing is, the "woman's rights" isn't bullshit. So much of a modern woman's place in the world relies upon abortion being legal. Women cannot be equal with men if they cannot have control as to when they will be pregnant.

Why should a woman go to law school if she can become pregnant and have to abandon her firm for months due to the baby? How can you expect elite female athletes to train when their athletic careers can be taken away at a moment's notice by pregnancy? How can you expect a woman to achieve financial independence (and the consumer spending that comes with that) if her time and money can be taken by an unplanned child.

The practical reasons why women need abortion on demand go on and on, but the heart of the matter is that they cannot be socially equal to men - meaning sexually equal to men - if they cannot have consequence free sex. So much of society is dictated by sex and access to abortion is a cornerstone of women's social liberation. Nature itself relegates women to a 2nd class status, but abortion on demand frees women from that status.

I would argue that the entire women's equality movement is predicated on access to abortion on demand. Women for generations have understood this, which is why some women will react to arguments about how abortion is wrong the same way that a black person would react to arguments about how the abolition of slavery is wrong, they perceive the argument as being that they should accept a lower status in society.

The reason why women go 'nanas over abortion is because they understand that their equality with men, in every possible way, is predicated on access to abortion on demand.

So some women, and especially hard driven striver women, known damn well that a dead baby or two is a small price to pay in achieving their dreams and goals. And women being women, and women think differently than men, tend to fall back on shitty sophistry to justify themselves on the issue of abortion. However, the issue is equality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678850)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:33 AM
Author: Spectacular property background story

very good poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678899)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:34 AM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

A woman can still control when she’s pregnant with birth control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678908)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 2:39 PM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

Two points: the reality of sex is that there isn't always protection. I'm not talking about being responsible, I'm talking about being equal.

The second is that this issue is as much ideological as it is practical. I would guess that most professional women do not have abortions. However, it being there if they need it is what is important. There is a similar argument to be made for guns under the 2nd amendment, where the people most passionate about owning a gun are probably the most unlikely to ever use one to shoot another person, but they are the most passionate about their 2A rights.

The truth is that most abortions are done to minorities in blue cities (maybe a vast majority of abortions). However, black women are not the ones in the street marching and screeching about their rights, UMC white women are the ones who are most passionate about this issue.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42680033)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:08 PM
Author: mentally impaired boistinker locale

excellent post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679092)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:13 PM
Author: Multi-colored casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679111)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:02 AM
Author: peach shrine becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678752)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:03 AM
Author: peach shrine becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678758)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:07 PM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

all arguments about abortion are ultimately moral in nature, and the Bible is explicitly OK with abortion in at least one scenario (adultery), so you if you believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, then you cannot rationally say all abortion is wrong

So if the Bible is OK with "killing a baby" because of the mom being a slut, then surely there are more slam dunk justifications for abortion, like it will be born and writhe in agony for six months and then die, or maybe even "the fetus doesn't have a brain capable of human thought yet"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679088)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:09 PM
Author: mentally impaired boistinker locale

link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679096)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:14 PM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

Numbers 5:11-31

quoted, in part,

"20 . . . if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”"

Some translations use "thigh wasting" presumably because talking about miscarriages was taboo, but the underlying original text is pretty straightforward in that it talks about wombs and miscarriages

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679117)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:09 PM
Author: peach shrine becky

"Bible is explicitly OK with abortion in at least one scenario"

which scenario is this? what verse are you referring to?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679099)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:11 PM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

ordeal of the bitter water

basically if a husband thinks his wife cheated on him, he takes her to a priest, the priest makes a concoction she drinks, and it induces a miscarriage IFF she has committed adultery

technically, it induces a miscarriage if she has EVER committed adultery, even if the current pregnancy is a faithful one, so it's worse than just "terminate immoral pregnancies" it's "terminate any pregnancy if the woman has EVER been an adulteress in the past"

there's scholarship about this concoction, which in part is made from dust scooped off the ground, that suggests the dust might have (unknown to scientifically illiterate people) a fungal abortofascient

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679106)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:59 PM
Author: peach shrine becky

I dont read that as anything besides describing a barbaric ritual performed in pre-Christ times.

Even leaving aside the New Testament, if you read that in context of the Torah, you would have to reach to Talmudic levels of sophistry to be able to interpret that as an “explicit” endorsement of abortion, a level that I suppose my goyim brain is not capable of.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679379)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 3:12 AM
Author: Snowy hyperactive abode

Numbers 5 doesn’t presuppose a pregnancy, just defilement or a claim of adultery. Symptoms of the “curse” describe infertility, not a miscarriage. The Priest’s test is concerned with giving the issue to God to determine adultery and to reward (no harm) or punish (barrenness) accordingly. Without an explicit mention of pregnancy or miscarriage, this passage can’t be used to justify abortion, because a clear reading only describes God punishing adultery with barrenness. Someone could argue, “well if there is a pregnancy, then the curse of infertility would terminate it, so it’s effectively the same result.” Even if Numbers 5 described a terminated pregnancy, it describes the Priest and the husband handing the matter over to the Creator, who has the power to give and take life. Here God is making the call and passing the sentence. The power to end a hypothetical pregnancy is not given to mankind. To use this ancient custom as a warrant for on-demand abortion ignores what the passage is actually about - men setting aside their personal judgement and trusting God to determine guilt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42683243)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:41 AM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

>An abortion if what? Of life.

of a pregnancy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678942)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:17 AM
Author: Umber effete affirmative action

India does not to be having the abortion. Families must birth the child then throw it in the Ganges the way God intended

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678491)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:23 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Base Roommate

Abortion is good but Roe v Wade is an indefensible abomination (same with Casey etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678543)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:35 AM
Author: Titillating box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678605)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:23 AM
Author: Exciting Step-uncle's House

ah yes, the good old days when people bothered to debate libs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678546)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:24 AM
Author: Ebony Church

Khan presents it logically:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WqjsfthwpY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678552)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:42 AM
Author: peach shrine becky

excellent clip, tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678653)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:44 AM
Author: Ebony Church

i was impressed, to be honest. i always thought of him as a hammy, stupid actor. but he displayed some clear thinking and an attempt at intellectual rigor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678666)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:30 AM
Author: Offensive Charismatic Station Kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678579)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:37 AM
Author: Titillating box office

didn't the church consider abortion to not be sin until the quickening for most of history?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678619)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:39 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Naw, there was disagreement among the early church fathers about when ensoulment happened, but never a question about the evil of abortion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678630)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:42 AM
Author: Titillating box office

what was the debate on ensoulment and where did the catholic church officially stand?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678654)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:51 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Many of the early fathers borrowed from the Greeks and thought that ensoulment was a process (so you had a plant soul, then an animal soul, then a human soul). You had many that thought ensoulment happened well after birth (weeks and even months). None however claimed that it was ok to kill a baby even if they held that they didnt have a soul.

The catholic church has not yet pronounced on the issue. Its an open question that reasonable Catholics in good standing can disagree about. That being said the abortion question is open and shut.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678709)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:10 AM
Author: Titillating box office

tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678810)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 1:02 AM
Author: haunting self-absorbed people who are hurt

I can’t tell if you’re talking about ancient Greeks or the “early fathers,” but infanticide was widely practiced and promoted among ancient Greeks (and later Romans). Sickly children, children with birth defects, or just unwanted children were usually left outside to die of exposure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42682977)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:56 AM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

There was a series done about how early the horrors of abortion in the ancient world was one of the driving forces in the spread of Christianity.

Catholics decided on their own at some point that there was a grey area with the concept of the soul coming into the fetus. This apparently was at odds with early Christian ideas on it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678732)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:02 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Can you clarify this post?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678756)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 1:34 PM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

I can't, this was the subject of some sermons from the pastor at my church from a few years back. The guy is really into early church history and likes to weave interesting facts of the ancient world into his sermons.

For all I know, he totally made this up. However he's a smart and serious guy and I've never known him to just fraud his way through something like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42685025)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:04 PM
Author: Galvanic embarrassed to the bone ticket booth

evangelicals were officially pro-choice until like the 70s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679075)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 1:17 AM
Author: haunting self-absorbed people who are hurt

You are correct.

St Augustine held ensoulment to occur until 90 days after conception, and St Jerome held that abortion was not murder until the individual elements have acquired their external appearance and their limbs.

Pope Innocent III officially encapsulated the “quickening” rule in ~1200, when he declared that the soul had not entered the fetus until the fetus began moving. St Thomas Aquinas concurred and his writing reflect the same thought. 400 years later, Pope Gregory XIV reaffirmed that this was official Catholic doctrine.

It wasn’t until 1869 that the idea that the soul entered the fetus at conception was adopted by the Pope, and it wasn’t until 1917 that it actually became doctrine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42682999)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:03 AM
Author: Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy

All aborted babies and miscarriages are in heaven with Jesus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678761)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:05 AM
Author: peach shrine becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678768)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:06 AM
Author: mentally impaired boistinker locale

doubtful if you believe that everyone is born in sin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678782)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:07 AM
Author: Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy

What lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678793)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:09 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

I mean this is heavily debated by smart people operating in good faith on both sides. I wouldn't say either side is "doubtful" we just don't know although we can hope that they are saved thanks to God's love and mercy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678806)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:36 AM
Author: Mint sinister lodge

If god is just they are either in heaven or placed in a new body that is given a shot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678916)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:38 AM
Author: peach shrine becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678927)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 12:24 AM
Author: Swashbuckling carmine address

technically, they weren't born at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42682846)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 10:26 AM
Author: mentally impaired boistinker locale

i guess that might undermine the the belief that life starts at conception, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42683922)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:35 AM
Author: Mint sinister lodge

This is the only logical Christian conclusion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678913)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:44 AM
Author: Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy

Yes and many people who have been to heaven have seen them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678953)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:07 AM
Author: Costumed yarmulke ceo

Why is consciousness a red herring for pro abortion arguments?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678788)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:13 AM
Author: supple ocher pervert

Because if consciousness is the line that you are going to draw, how does it work with:

1. newborn babies (especially premature babies who are often less mentally developed than late term fetuses).

2. Really dumb people / People who are vegetables (or near to it)

3. The uncertainty of measuring "consciousness" and the implications if you are wrong (e.g. you set the bar too high and kill a million people).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678825)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:17 AM
Author: Costumed yarmulke ceo

Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678837)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:18 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678843)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:34 AM
Author: peach shrine becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678909)



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Date: June 28th, 2021 7:02 PM
Author: Snowy hyperactive abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42701094)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:25 AM
Author: Spectacular property background story

yeah anybody who argues that life doesn't begin at conception is either really stupid or an insane shitlib who is only claiming that because they want abortion to remain legal

i'm still totally okay with abortion though, for the same reasons i'm okay with infanticide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678859)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:27 AM
Author: Mint sinister lodge

This is such an obvious statement bizarre how brainwashed anyone is to disagree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42678865)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:08 PM
Author: Pink plaza

It's lulzy to consider what a rollback of abortion rights would even look like in 2020s America

We're not about to force chicks to carry rape babies, right? If you kept abortion legal for rape pregnancies you'd see a massive spike of women crying rape over sex that was actually consensual just because they don't want to keep the kid

And if the girl doesn't want to disclose who her "rapist" is? Well that's even more troublesome. You were raped by a complete stranger? We need to catch that sick fuck! They'll run a familial DNA panel, just like they do for all these decades old cold case murders that they are suddenly solving.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679093)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:12 PM
Author: Provocative canary bawdyhouse ladyboy

Yes exactly where do we draw the line?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679108)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:24 PM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

How do you “rape” a girl you know. Like you are just hanging out as friends having a casual conversation and all of the sudden you tackle her to the ground hike her skirt up, pull out your big white dick and start violently fucking her with it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679164)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:35 PM
Author: Spectacular property background story

by being born below 6 feet tall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679237)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:26 PM
Author: amber house organic girlfriend

When i was a gaytheist, i bought the consciousness argument and advocated for early infanticide to be consistent. I think i got the position from peter singer. This pissed off libs more than any pro-life argument. Made a girl cry at a party even when i was 20 or so. Wonder whether she already had a haunted pussy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679175)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:38 PM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

What’s a haunted pussy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679266)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:39 PM
Author: amber house organic girlfriend

They remove the body when an unborn baby dies in there, but they can't remove the ghost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679268)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:45 PM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679300)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 1:15 AM
Author: dark talking selfie jewess

Lol wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42682995)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:41 PM
Author: Spectacular property background story

infanticide is cr and yes it's the only actually logical and coherent position to have if you think that abortion should be allowed

abortion is a statecraft issue, not a "moral" one. you regulate and control abortion based on the needs and goals of your society. there is no coherent "moral" argument against abortion and infanticide. when you try to lay one out it's impossible to make it make any sense

like we allow women the moral agency to get pregnant whenever they want with whoever they want, but we don't allow them the moral agency to end the result of their own pregnancy....? what? obviously anyone who creates anything has the intrinsic "moral" right to decide what to do with it

i've said this in a bunch of previous abortion threads, but what 99% of anti-abortionmos actually want is to just make it illegal for women to have premarital sex or sex outside of the purposes of reproduction. which i don't necessary disagree with at all. it's just that none of these people are smart or sophisticated enough to figure out that's what they are actually after

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679280)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:47 PM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

There is still birth control if abortion is illegal so premarital sex is not affected.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679311)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:51 PM
Author: Spectacular property background story

....this is like saying that pulling out is still an option if abortion is illegal, so premarital sex is not affected. lol

dude is there a single other person capable of using their brain when discussing this subject? other than mudscaline wine, his poasts in this thread are very cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679337)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 3:29 PM
Author: gold well-lubricated range juggernaut

Pulling out works bro. Sorry about your lack of cock control.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42680337)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:57 PM
Author: amber house organic girlfriend

I agree it would be better for female sexuality to be regulated (i.e. father -> husband), but disagree that it's not a moral issue in the status quo. Let's say you can tell by 6 your child is not doing well and it's because you've raised them badly. You can't just kill them and try again like a video game. People would never consistently sacrifice to be good parents, nor think through how to do it well, if restart is an option. It isn't just about the consequences of the killing per se but the virtue of accepting responsibility. Once you take acceptance of responsibility away as an expectation, people act even more selfishly and shittily. So even if you think the act of abortion is nbd, you have a far worse society than one where conception is seen as sacred and inviolable. (I think there are other reasons to reject abortion outright, but want to meet you on a consequentialist framework.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679365)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:05 PM
Author: Spectacular property background story

i don't think that these two things are mutually exclusive at all (allowing abortion legally and heavily discouraging abortion as undesirable to society). this is something that i find that almost everyone misses or doesn't understand when discussing this topic

you can HEAVILY discourage and disincentivize abortion via social stigma while still legally permitting it. the result of this kind of policy is that only the most undesirable segments of your society will get abortions in almost all cases. you get a fully consensual eugenics policy, which from a statecraft perspective is an incredible achievement

we actually have something like this in place now, in real life! the overwhelming majority of abortions in the united states are done by female members of heavily undesirable segments of the population. any remotely sophisticated or high class person treats abortion as the abhorrent thing that it is, and harshly judges women who get abortions, even if they don't say it out loud - or even consciously realize it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679419)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:45 PM
Author: amber house organic girlfriend

"Or even consciously realize it" might have been right, but abortion demographics are changing: https://images.app.goo.gl/eckz9WF6u4fE2F6i8

Blacks are having fewer abortions over time and whites are staying stable. I think there was a bigger stigma against abortion - i.e. it's prole, hick, or ghetto - but progressivism has been working its magic and its fading. Things like the box tp live blogging her abortion, if you were around for that, are extreme but give a good sense of white/kike millennial attitudes. I imagine gen z women are only going to be more insane.

For better or worse, illegalizing this is the surest way to keep and reinforce the stigma.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679650)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:49 PM
Author: Spectacular property background story

sure, there's less of a stigma against abortion today than there was when it was first legalized. but there's still an enormous stigma against it. no one, even shitlibs, actually get excited and happy for a woman who gets an abortion, or see it as a plus for their status rather than a minus. all that kind of "you go girl!" stuff is purely social signaling

i agree that we could be doing a much better job as a society at re-stigmatizing abortion. but considering that we are currently ruled by a hostile, occupying elite who control 99% of public opinion, it's not that bad, and there's not much we can do about it anyway other than oust these people completely

also that graph isn't labeled and i can't tell wtf the data is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679676)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 2:09 PM
Author: amber house organic girlfriend

Sorry re: graph, phonepoasters should be shot, starting with me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679806)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:59 PM
Author: Costumed yarmulke ceo

Should abortion be permitted in exceptional circumstances, such as when a woman is raped?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679380)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 5:08 PM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

Yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42680862)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:08 PM
Author: Fishy kitty cat cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679435)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:09 PM
Author: 180 henna resort love of her life

The only counterargument I'd make is "life begins at implantation."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679441)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 2:13 PM
Author: Snowy hyperactive abode

Child is crowning in the birth canal: “until it takes a breath it’s just a clump of cells.”

Scientists discover bacteria on Mars: “omg LIFE!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42679839)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 3:35 PM
Author: peach shrine becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42680371)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 12:28 AM
Author: Swashbuckling carmine address



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42682861)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 5:06 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal principal's office

Despite being a big Trumpmo, the Right's position on abortion is fucking retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42680853)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 5:10 PM
Author: Greedy translucent son of senegal

At this point it’s a lost cause that it will ever be overturned so no point in taking a public stance on it but you have to admit it’s ridiculous to argue life doesn’t begin at conception

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42680869)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:40 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal principal's office

I think it is all a stupid argument because "human life" doesn't mean shit. Your dead skin cells literally have human DNA. So what? What makes humans special is their intelligence. A brain-dead human is just dead.

In terms of humanity, anti-abortion is anti-eugenics, which is awful. We should be strongly encouraging certain people to get abortions. Some anti-abortion people even do dumbfuck things like encourage people to have Downs Syndrome kids and other retards. I'm not going to support that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42682363)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 8:57 PM
Author: Big degenerate

I’m only ok with abortion being legal due to the practical reality of the alternative, but what really bothers me about the pro-choice argument is how we, as a society, value an individual’s right to choose over the life of an unborn fetus. It’s so sad to witness this moral corruption.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42681831)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 1:32 PM
Author: maize soul-stirring international law enforcement agency black woman

There is no more direct and literal application of Romans 6:23 than this that I can think of.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42685005)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 5:42 PM
Author: Snowy hyperactive abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42686609)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 9:33 PM
Author: Laughsome business firm trust fund

The fact that public opinion has not moved on this issue in 50 years shows that the lib position is not "the party of science" here.

The court sort of punted at drew arbitrary lines thinking the third trimester made sense or something else would emerge that would - it never did. Most people these days know someone asking for a go fund me for a baby born at 23 weeks.

You could write a long memo on why life begins at conception and feel free pretty good about it. There's no other point in time where you could make anything other than a bullshit case that life begins then.

That's why no libs are arguing the facts - they just post the inconveniences of those facts. "What about rape?" What difference does it make? Plenty of people on Earth were the product of rape, and they were no less alive than anyone else.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42682017)



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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:55 PM
Author: Mint sinister lodge

Libs never argue facts and they are damn good at it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42682679)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 1:48 AM
Author: crusty rigpig

“Life” begins when you’ve completed your culture’s right of passage. If your culture doesn’t have one, then your existence shouldn’t be considered life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42683072)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 10:29 AM
Author: jet-lagged pit

our culture doesnt have one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42683925)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 10:31 AM
Author: dark talking selfie jewess

Really makes you think

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42683928)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 10:58 AM
Author: crusty rigpig

Hence your “life” became checking commas in a slum 80 hrs a week and poasting on a racist chat blog. In any sane society, you would be considered property—not a living being, and your master would guide you to manhood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42684028)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 11:01 AM
Author: jet-lagged pit

correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42684043)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 10:32 AM
Author: disrespectful spot

life obviously starts at conception and LOL at upthread panting satanists trying to convince you of the merits of baby murder without addressing the actual facts of matter.

you're going to burn in hell, faggots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42683930)



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Date: June 25th, 2021 1:35 PM
Author: Adventurous hateful institution persian

life begins at MY MASTERS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42685031)



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Date: June 28th, 2021 3:26 PM
Author: Snowy hyperactive abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42699806)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 10:13 AM
Author: frozen heady indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42703829)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: abnormal vivacious forum gunner

https://babylonbee.com/news/nation-that-kills-3000-babies-a-day-feels-morally-superior-to-slaveowners-from-200-years-ago/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42708020)



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Date: July 11th, 2021 3:43 AM
Author: slate keepsake machete

I don't assign any value to a pre-sentient fetus.

I am honestly more uncomfortable hearing about pet abuse or pigs being slaughtered for food than I am about hearing a woman had an abortion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864017&forum_id=2#42763122)