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Masterpiece Cake Shop fined for not creating gender transition cake
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:05 AM Author: Glittery fluffy native boltzmann The cake owner took the prior case to the SCOUTS and won but SCOTUS was too scared to take on the big issue.
So he's been fined again.
He sells to everyone but he won't design and create cakes for gay marriage or child transitions.
This is a very real test, brothers, about whether shitlibbery will ever be forced to back down.
https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Scardina-v.-Masterpiece-Cakeshop-Transition-Cake-Case-Findings-of-Fact-and-Conclusions-of-Law-June-15-2021.pdf |
Date: June 24th, 2021 10:10 AM Author: motley ebony base It is meaningless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678441) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:11 AM Author: territorial infuriating house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678445) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:12 AM Author: Glittery fluffy native boltzmann i don't know, i think it's important that SCOTUS be forced to stand on this side or that side of the line. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678455) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:42 AM Author: vibrant slippery hospital idea he suggested I agree. The district court made detailed factual findings that could justify a first amendment challenge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678946) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:12 AM Author: razzmatazz electric furnace national security agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678459) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:37 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Costumed Haunted Graveyard Bawdyhouse not to foxnews ratings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678623) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:14 AM Author: swashbuckling silver partner den lol at libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678467) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: bright dashing property blood rage "BOW BEFORE STATE IDEOLOGY" bellowed the rainbow-haired lesbians at the quiet Christian baker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678493) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:27 AM Author: Sadistic Haunting Dopamine Famous Landscape Painting This is utterly insane. The United States deserves to rot away and die. It is Satanic and irredeemable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678563) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:31 AM Author: Sadistic Haunting Dopamine Famous Landscape Painting CA10/USDC will pwn this plaintiff I suspect (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678580) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:35 AM Author: Glittery fluffy native boltzmann looks like the prior case worked its way through the state system and this decision, too, is a state court ruling. supreme court of colorado declined to take the case so the intermediate appeal was the one that SCOTUS took up.
"In a 7–2 decision, the Court ruled on narrow grounds that the Commission did not employ religious neutrality, violating Masterpiece owner Jack Phillips' rights to free exercise, and reversed the Commission's decision. The Court did not rule on the broader intersection of anti-discrimination laws, free exercise of religion, and freedom of speech, due to the complications of the Commission's lack of religious neutrality."
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:38 AM Author: Sadistic Haunting Dopamine Famous Landscape Painting I haven’t taken federal courts in many years, but my understanding was parties could seek injunctions against state action from the federal court system if federal rights (1st amendment, etc) were at issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678626) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:49 AM Author: Glittery fluffy native boltzmann i'm no fed courts masterman myself, but i thought the feds would abstain if it's an ongoing case under state law where the litigants can raise 1st Am arguments in the state system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678699) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:52 AM Author: Sadistic Haunting Dopamine Famous Landscape Painting I don’t think either of us will ever know honestly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678715) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:39 AM Author: soul-stirring orange state roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678633) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:15 AM Author: irradiated corner Both sides are assholes. The libs asked for a custom cake with blue and pink icing and sprinkles to make this guy feel as uncomfortable as possible without creating “speech” so they could sue. OTOH the cake guy would have turned them away even if they asked for a generic cake. That was the salient fact in the SCOTUS case- the gay guys just wanted a plain white cake and the guy turned them away so SCOTUS had to find some other way to rule for the cake guy. If this case goes up the libs should be pwned for asking for the special icing and sprinkles that were absolutely meant to send a message. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678832) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:18 AM Author: Glittery fluffy native boltzmann source for your factual claim he wouldn't sell a plain white cake? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678846) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:31 AM Author: irradiated corner Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678887) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:42 AM Author: Glittery fluffy native boltzmann Jack Phillips is an expert baker who has owned and operated the shop for 24 years. Phillips is a devout Christian. He has explained that his “main goal in life is to be obedient to” Jesus Christ and Christ’s “teachings in all aspects of his life.” App. 148. And he seeks to “honor God through his work at Masterpiece Cakeshop.” Ibid. One of Phillips’ religious beliefs is that “God’s intention for marriage from the beginning of history is that it is and should be the union of one man and one woman.” Id., at 149. To Phillips, creating a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding would be equivalent to participating in a celebration that is contrary to his own most deeply held beliefs.
Phillips met Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins when they entered his shop in the summer of 2012. Craig and Mullins were planning to marry. At that time, Colorado did not recognize same-sex marriages, so the couple planned to wed legally in Massachusetts and afterwards to host a reception for their family and friends in Denver. To prepare for their celebration, Craig and Mullins visited the shop and told Phillips that they were interested in ordering a cake for “our wedding.” Id., at 152 (emphasis de- leted). They did not mention the design of the cake they envisioned.
Phillips informed the couple that he does not “create” wedding cakes for same-sex weddings. Ibid. He explained, “I’ll make your birthday cakes, shower cakes, sell you cookies and brownies, I just don’t make cakes for same sex weddings.” Ibid. The couple left the shop without further discussion. |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:21 AM Author: Brindle patrolman no. only one side is the asshole. and its not the baker who just wants to make cakes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678851) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:27 AM Author: Glittery fluffy native boltzmann they have singled him and are attacking him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678863) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:40 AM Author: soul-stirring orange state roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678936) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:28 AM Author: swashbuckling silver partner den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678870) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:37 AM Author: Yapping Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678925) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:35 AM Author: Yapping Nursing Home They can go to 10,000 other bakers who cater to their exact needs but THE ONLY reason they are going to him is to FUCK with him, his business, his livelihood, his freedom.
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:53 AM Author: irradiated corner If you’re open to the public you need to take the public as it comes and if you can’t handle the public then GTFO. He shouldn’t have to make a cake with a message he disagrees with, but he shouldn’t have a problem handing over a generic cake to anyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679015) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: Yapping Nursing Home The law of public accomodations being extended to support sodomite marriage is wrong and the constant attacks in this guy are fucking evil. Fuck you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679021) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:55 AM Author: vibrant slippery hospital idea he suggested Are you intentionally misrepresenting the facts? The court specifically found that he sold generic, pre-made cakes to anyone and everyone. That's not in dispute. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679024) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:58 AM Author: irradiated corner What court? I didn’t read the whole opinion in the OP. The gay guys in the SCOTUS case were turned away without even discussing the cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679042) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:01 PM Author: vibrant slippery hospital idea he suggested The CO district court. He sells pre-made cakes to anyone (and will do a wide variety of customs for anyone) but wont do a custom cake that celebrates certain things. It's pretty clear he is not declining service because of sex or gender or sexual orientation of the customer, but because he doesn't want to celebrate certain actions/beliefs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679058) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:24 PM Author: fragrant chocolate jewess No, they are just not retarded autists and understand that a "wedding cake" means a cake that references the spouses, typically in a way that reflects sex like figurines. "Wedding cake" does not mean a plain blank cake that may be served during a wedding in normal parlance, and sneaky pre-planned tactics to gin up a lawsuit by threading the needle on whether the baker's right against compelled speech and being forced to violate his religion are implicated are not socially desirable behavior or consistent with the nation's founding principles. Hth.
The state of Colorado essentially has an agency tasked with legally harassing this guy full time because they dislike his religion and are MAF that SCOTUS pwned them. It's bs. |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:57 AM Author: bright dashing property blood rage i propose a different principle (and I realize this isn't the current law): if you go to a store you need to take the store's products and services as they come, and if you don't like it then *you* can GTFO and go somewhere else (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679035) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:01 PM Author: irradiated corner Yeah we’ve had that before and it didn’t work at least from the perspective of most decent people (and I realize this board is not populated by decent people) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679060) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:03 PM Author: bright dashing property blood rage i liked the part where you just asserted the moral superiority of your position without argument, that was my favorite (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679069) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:04 PM Author: Yapping Nursing Home "big oof! We tried freedom of association and yea, big no to that."
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Date: June 24th, 2021 4:47 PM Author: High-end Police Squad Jap I lol'd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42680770) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:43 AM Author: vibrant slippery hospital idea he suggested I dont think you know the facts of this case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678948) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:47 AM Author: Sadistic Haunting Dopamine Famous Landscape Painting the baker isn't an 'asshole' for not wanting to make a fag tranny cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678975) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:56 AM Author: Yapping Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679028) |
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Date: June 25th, 2021 7:21 AM Author: bateful stag film You’re getting the key fact completely wrong. The baker never refused to sell a plain cake. Please update your analysis. Is the baker still an asshole? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42683482) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:37 AM Author: ruby trip genital piercing immigrant Will lib bakers in places like SF make a cake with biblical quotes condemning sodomy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678921) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:43 AM Author: Doobsian plaza weed whacker Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678951) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:47 AM Author: Sadistic Haunting Dopamine Famous Landscape Painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42678984) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: irradiated corner No because that’s actually speech. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679023) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 5:08 PM Author: pungent brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42680864) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 11:55 AM Author: Big scourge upon the earth selfie Whoa cq, friend! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679026) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:01 PM Author: Glittery fluffy native boltzmann ask a muslim baker to make a cake extolling the Trinity and see what happens.
or a cake that celebrates two lesbian witches getting married. |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:07 PM Author: passionate area majority of western muslims have accepted the mount (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679085) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:07 PM Author: Impressive exhilarant step-uncle's house I see a 5-4 ruling for the lib baker written by "conservative" justice Roberts in the near future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679089) |
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Date: June 25th, 2021 7:32 AM Author: Pale Athletic Conference or muslim bakers making a cake with a picture of mohammed, or yid bakers making a non-kosher swastika cake, or dark bakers making a klan kake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42683494) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:04 PM Author: pungent brunch if she had just asked for a blue cake with pink frosting there would be no speech involved at all but of course that is not what this case is about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679415) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:05 PM Author: Sadistic Haunting Dopamine Famous Landscape Painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679416) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:07 PM Author: fragrant chocolate jewess Why wouldn't that be speech? Showing your nipples is apparently speech according to SCOTUS, I don't see why colors that widely understood to communicate concepts of gender, just as much as the words boy / girl, wouldn't be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679430) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:11 PM Author: Sadistic Haunting Dopamine Famous Landscape Painting bc the baker wouldn't realize what he was doing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42679450) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 4:10 PM Author: pungent brunch I object to almost all of this stuff being qualified ss speech in the first place but at no reasonable person sees this cake and knows its a tranny reveal. Maybe twins. Or just someone's favorite colors. It's totally ambiguous but marching in there demanding a tranny cake isn't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42680607) |
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Date: June 24th, 2021 4:12 PM Author: Glittery fluffy native boltzmann i've wondered what would happen if the bakers told SSM customers, "we will pray over this cake that it will turn you straight and put you on the path to God." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864018&forum_id=2#42680624) |