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The iron law of oligarchy

Michels's theory states that all complex organizations, rega...
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there's nothing wrong with oligarchy if the oligarchs are th...
razzmatazz principal's office toaster
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the point of oligarchy is they obscure their power even as t...
Duck-like cerebral boistinker
  06/24/21
ok, makes sense. i didn't realize that was part of the defin...
razzmatazz principal's office toaster
  06/24/21
THIS.
Sooty ratface
  08/08/21
Interesting observation: Rule Britannia is the only patrioti...
khaki soul-stirring meetinghouse
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Chink
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Shalom, brother
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Why would an enlightened people allow for mob rule and the c...
comical mexican university
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The core difference between technocratic oligarchy and a kin...
Duck-like cerebral boistinker
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Go back to czarist Russia, you revolting peasant.
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I appreciate the honesty at least, most of your kind are too...
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U wear ur anarchism like a virtue. Good luck with that.
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How do you associate monarchism with anarchism? Very weird ...
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Monarchy in the USA! How alien and seditious can u get? ...
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This is why the CCP is 180 and democracy is flame bullshit. ...
geriatric hateful circlehead public bath
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correct
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Date: June 24th, 2021 10:58 AM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker

Michels's theory states that all complex organizations, regardless of how democratic they are when started, eventually develop into oligarchies. Michels observed that since no sufficiently large and complex organization can function purely as a direct democracy, power within an organization will always get delegated to individuals within that group, elected or otherwise.

Using anecdotes from political parties and trade unions struggling to operate democratically to build his argument in 1911, Michels addressed the application of this law to representative democracy, and stated: "Who says organization, says oligarchy."[1] He went on to state that "Historical evolution mocks all the prophylactic measures that have been adopted for the prevention of oligarchy."[1]

According to Michels, all organizations eventually come to be run by a "leadership class", who often function as paid administrators, executives, spokespersons or political strategists for the organization. Far from being "servants of the masses", Michels argues this "leadership class," rather than the organization's membership, will inevitably grow to dominate the organization's power structures. By controlling who has access to information, those in power can centralize their power successfully, often with little accountability, due to the apathy, indifference and non-participation most rank-and-file members have in relation to their organization's decision-making processes. Michels argues that democratic attempts to hold leadership positions accountable are prone to fail, since with power comes the ability to reward loyalty, the ability to control information about the organization, and the ability to control what procedures the organization follows when making decisions. All of these mechanisms can be used to strongly influence the outcome of any decisions made 'democratically' by members.[2]

Michels stated that the official goal of representative democracy of eliminating elite rule was impossible, that representative democracy is a façade legitimizing the rule of a particular elite, and that elite rule, which he refers to as oligarchy, is inevitable.[1] Later Michels migrated to Italy and joined Benito Mussolini's Fascist Party, as he believed this was the next legitimate step of modern societies. The thesis became popular once more in post-war America with the publication of Union Democracy: The Internal Politics of the International Typographical Union (1956) and during the red scare brought about by McCarthyism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy

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Date: June 24th, 2021 12:38 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: June 24th, 2021 1:02 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: June 24th, 2021 2:25 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: June 24th, 2021 2:31 PM
Author: razzmatazz principal's office toaster

there's nothing wrong with oligarchy if the oligarchs are the best men in society

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Date: June 24th, 2021 3:34 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker

the point of oligarchy is they obscure their power even as they wield it, whereas in monarchy everyone knows the king is responsible for what happens. therefore the monarch is incentivized to provide for much better governance than the oligarchs are.

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Date: June 24th, 2021 3:45 PM
Author: razzmatazz principal's office toaster

ok, makes sense. i didn't realize that was part of the definition of oligarchy. i normally assume oligarchy = absolute rule by an unaccountable elite class of people. not necessarily rule by an elite class of people who is able to obfuscate the fact that they rule

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Date: August 8th, 2021 12:43 AM
Author: Sooty ratface

THIS.

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Date: August 8th, 2021 1:07 AM
Author: khaki soul-stirring meetinghouse

Interesting observation: Rule Britannia is the only patriotic song I can think of that concerns the obligations of a sovereign to the people ("This was the charter, the charter of the land . . . . Britannia rules the waives. Britons never will be slaves.") in addition to noting the sacrifices that are expected of the people for their country.

All other patriotic songs I can think of concern only the people of a country sacrificing and dying for their country, without a mention of what the sovereign country will do for its people.

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Date: June 24th, 2021 3:58 PM
Author: flickering mind-boggling senate keepsake machete

Chink

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Date: August 8th, 2021 12:22 PM
Author: boyish orange school cafeteria french chef

Shalom, brother

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Date: June 24th, 2021 7:34 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: June 25th, 2021 11:10 AM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: June 25th, 2021 1:33 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: June 29th, 2021 12:55 AM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: August 7th, 2021 4:56 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: August 7th, 2021 5:03 PM
Author: Shimmering zippy stead old irish cottage



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Date: August 8th, 2021 12:38 AM
Author: fighting partner police squad



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Date: August 8th, 2021 12:19 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: August 8th, 2021 12:26 PM
Author: Insane multi-colored house



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Date: August 23rd, 2021 10:20 AM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: August 23rd, 2021 10:28 AM
Author: embarrassed to the bone crotch



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Date: August 23rd, 2021 10:32 AM
Author: comical mexican university

Why would an enlightened people allow for mob rule and the concomitant rise of a demagogue/dictator? The governing elite must serve as guardians of the public good. See Federalist 71.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864053&forum_id=2#42994914)



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Date: August 23rd, 2021 10:36 AM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker

The core difference between technocratic oligarchy and a king is that the oligarchs conceal their rule and are not seen by the public as responsible for policy, while a king is seen by the public as responsible for rule. Therefore the king is incentivized to provide for much better government than oligarchs are.

Thanks for playing though, you duplicitous evil kike.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864053&forum_id=2#42994932)



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Date: August 23rd, 2021 10:40 AM
Author: comical mexican university

Go back to czarist Russia, you revolting peasant.

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Date: August 23rd, 2021 10:43 AM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker

I appreciate the honesty at least, most of your kind are too smart to be this honest.

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Date: August 23rd, 2021 10:45 AM
Author: comical mexican university

U wear ur anarchism like a virtue. Good luck with that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864053&forum_id=2#42994969)



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Date: August 23rd, 2021 11:00 AM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker

How do you associate monarchism with anarchism? Very weird comment. A huge number of countries in the world have monarchs today including China which you love. Your brain is broken.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864053&forum_id=2#42995052)



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Date: August 23rd, 2021 11:08 AM
Author: comical mexican university

Monarchy in the USA!

How alien and seditious can u get?

Truth is u and ur group seek to overthrow Democracy in America. We’ve seen ur type before, only now it has a distinct Russian accent.

Bring ur bomb throwers and bots, we will be waiting, comrade.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864053&forum_id=2#42995094)



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Date: August 23rd, 2021 11:12 AM
Author: geriatric hateful circlehead public bath

This is why the CCP is 180 and democracy is flame bullshit. If there is a way to hold men accountable its via the CCP's merit based promotion system. Even if it's not perfect, it's surely proven to be better than the lolzy US system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4864053&forum_id=2#42995133)



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Date: August 23rd, 2021 11:26 AM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker

correct

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Date: August 23rd, 2021 3:57 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: October 17th, 2021 4:03 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone crotch



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Date: October 17th, 2021 4:05 PM
Author: Sooty ratface



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Date: October 17th, 2021 6:50 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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Date: October 17th, 2021 9:19 PM
Author: Duck-like cerebral boistinker



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