FDA: the vaxx KILLS more people than it saves
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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:45 PM Author: Trip milk
The article describes RNA viruses. COVID is an RNA virus that has this exact same effect, as described in the article:
"When a virus infects a cell, it begins to copy the cell’s genome, incurring mutations as it does so. When daughter viruses assemble themselves in the cytoplasmic soup of genes and proteins, the overall virus that results is often a mash-up of these mutated copies. If one mutation creates a dud protein, as happened with dengue, the virus can survive because of other viruses in the swarm that have a good copy. Think of it as a potluck, Domingo said. The host asks people to bring many types of dishes. That way, if any one person arrives late or burns a pie, a single missing item won’t ruin the dinner.
For a virus, a variety of options allow it not only to infect different hosts, as chik and dengue do with humans and mosquitoes, but also to infect different tissues within the same host. “This cloud of mutations makes it easier for viruses to explore new tissues and new hosts,” Domingo said."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137567) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:50 PM Author: anal opaque locus
I know how evolution works. I don't need a primer on that.
But how does this describe the mechanism by which the vaccine is allegedly killing thousands of the vaccinated?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137591) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:34 PM Author: anal opaque locus
I'm still waiting for you to answer my only question. You said there was a mechanism by which the vaccine is causing thousands of deaths. I've been trying to get you to explain what that mechanism is.
And all you've offered is some speculation and guesswork, which I've noted, refreshingly is not the usual antivax nonsense about poisons in the vaxx itself but is instead supposedly some quasi public policy argument vis a vis viral evolution, w a lot of speculation and no support at all offered in relation to Covid itself or better ways to combat the pandemic in a free society.
(You should at least make clear to the other antivaxxers on this boart that, unlike those dimwits, you don't actually assign a significant credence function to the claim that there is a poison in the vaxx that is killing thousands of people.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137777) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:03 PM Author: anal opaque locus
Here's a problem, as I see it.
You are obviously extremely intelligent and professionally trained to think critically, and have some involvement in the vacccine on a public policy level.
When, in the interests of epistemic humility, you appear to endorse or humor the conspiracy wackadoos on here when it comes to the vaccine, everyone can sense your intelligence and consideration, and that adds weight to the wackadoos position, whether you mean that effect or not.
Something to think about. Remember, most people go by their "gut" and you might not be doing public safety any favors when you try to show epistemic humility for a lark.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137899) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 7:00 PM Author: Trip milk
I'm worried that there are cancer risks. We haven't seen clear evidence of COVID causing cancer, but we also missed a lot of cancer screening so the data are shit.
If there are cancer risks associated with COVID, vaccines could be useful but probably are not where I think the research focus should be. I think we've brainwashed ourselves into believing that "vaccines" are the solution to everything, when it turns out we can't even make up our minds about what constitutes a "vaccine."
In general, I think alternative therapies should be fully investigated and vetted for scientific value, not dismissed because their proponents couldn't cobble enough data to present a more comprehensive study than bigpharma can buy for $2bn (Hoover estimate of the average cost of FDA safety trials for one drug)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43138310) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:53 PM Author: anal opaque locus
Also, I think what you are saying is that there's not a "poison" in the vaccine--the vaccine is simply interacting in a darwinian fashion with the vax to become tougher in some respect. So it comes back around and kills people otherwise vaxxed.
That is a far cry from what your antivaxxer pal in this thread is saying. It's also the only way an antivaxxer would realistically say that thousands are dying "of the vaccine" which in itself is still disingenuous.
And it does nothing to support the idea of remaining unvaxxed either.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137601) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:05 PM Author: Trip milk
His concerns seem valid, I just don't understand them well enough to have an opinion. I strongly believe the mutagenic and oncogenic effects of viruses are largely unstudied. Like we don't know shit.
Try spending ~2 years trying to eliminate a wart on your thumb. Watch it disappear and then grow itself back. Feel it growing its blood supply before the roots even become visible again. Over time you'll come to feel like you're dealing with some sort of enemy AI that knows how to harness your tissues to build a hardened fortress right there in your own body, and you see how hard it is to stop it without freezing it, nuking it with chemicals, and scraping away a 1/4 inch of your own flesh while writing in pain because this virus somehow turns up the gain on your pain receptors in addition to the other shit it does. Now imagine this "wart" is a full blown tumor growing in your kidney and shitting copies of the virus into your bloodstream.
I don't know about vaxxed vs unvaxxed at a population-wide level, but Sweden seems to be doing ok these days so IDK. I don't see the point in vaccinating kids when 99.9% clear the virus without issue. At that point the vaccine is all cost and no benefit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137656) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:36 PM Author: cerebral cuckold theater stage
It's a weighted combination of any of the below, I am excluding "conspiracies":
1) mRNA-generated spike protein causing damage likely in a way greater than the virus itself
2) graphene oxide causing the damage directly to blood cells and vessels
3) stainless steel particles damaging blood cells and vessels directly
4) 2 and 3 do interact with electromagnetic fields and it is probably causing additional damage
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137502) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:53 PM Author: cerebral cuckold theater stage
There is no "full FDA approval" now, adminlaw guy, there is an emergency use authorization only, Biden lied.
And yes, it is "approval to market", i.e. to use specific language
There is a statistical certainty wrt serious side effects now, not uncertainty, "why" it happens is irrelevant to the authorization, this is what you don't get for some reason. Risk/benefit analysis does not need to know the exact mechanism of risk, it's outcome based.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137599) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:22 PM Author: Trip milk
Pfizer got full non-emergency authorization. Pfizer is not required to conduct additional safety testing in order to market its vaccine as a safe and effective therapy for COVID for anyone age 12+.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
"There is a statistical certainty wrt serious side effects now"
That's only if you think the studies were conducted long enough. I don't think we've been studying COVID long enough, let alone the vaccines. It takes HIV 3-7 years to become cancerous. Past vaccine trials have been run 5-6 years.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137732) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:36 PM Author: cerebral cuckold theater stage
Fraud Dispensation Agency
It’s odd they could go by one short study and willfully ignore the wider data. One study model is obviously not designed for something already widely used. Corruption at its best.
Did not they have several people leave over this?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137785) |
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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:43 PM Author: Trip milk
That's what's so alarming from an institutional perspective:
https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9
Both of these people left because they felt political pressure to approve boosters. That's bad. I've never heard of career professionals at an agency - merit hires, not policial appointees -- resign after 30 years because they felt political pressure. Cannot think of any other examples anywhere gov't off the top of my head. This isn't Sally Yates trying to get book deal, these people are GS-15s unless it's easy to get SES at FDA.
But more alarming is that the FDA seems poised to adopt their position -- AFTER they resigned just a few weeks ago. We can only infer that there was been some sort of internal revolt that preceded the conference yesterday, because the FDA was openly downplaying the likelihood of approving boosters all week.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137998) |
Date: September 18th, 2021 1:36 PM Author: Supple Pungent Point
1. VAERS doesn't report deaths caused by the vaccine.
2. That isn't the FDA (so your thread is a lie).
3. This reminds me of the time you said airlines were banning vaccinated passengers because some right wing con artist told you so.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136935) |
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