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FDA: the vaxx KILLS more people than it saves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=15684s
Disrespectful Property Hominid
  09/17/21
Dr. Jill Biden will debunk this soon
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/17/21
Anyone? WTF?
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/17/21
this is just some random dude who was allowed to make a publ...
Pungent piazza internal respiration
  09/17/21
Random dudes make statements at fda meetings all the time. ...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/17/21
no offense but you are out of your depth here. all these pub...
Pungent piazza internal respiration
  09/17/21
They are required after Belmont report It’s here so...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/17/21
Checks out.
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
Lol, pumo
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
...
Stirring cruise ship
  09/18/21
FDA was for clickbait title, but he’s def not “s...
Disrespectful Property Hominid
  09/17/21
It’s an FDA organized meeting.
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/17/21
Either way he shows a slide with data, it’s not a matt...
Disrespectful Property Hominid
  09/17/21
*looks at title of your post*
Pungent piazza internal respiration
  09/17/21
"Blessed by the FDA" has lost all meaning anyway a...
Fear-inspiring parlor
  09/18/21
cr. this is being spammed repeatedly by retards on pol. can'...
Costumed nibblets hospital
  09/18/21
Fraudvax for a fraudvirus
orchid galvanic pit jap
  09/17/21
...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
Vaxx has saved thousands and gives us back our normal lives....
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
It killed many more thousands, the second claim seems spurio...
Disrespectful Property Hominid
  09/18/21
Vaccine killed thousands? Really? Link?
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
Check OP
Disrespectful Property Hominid
  09/18/21
Okay, What is the mechanism by which they are “killing...
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
Lol, idiot
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
What is the mechanism by which the vaccines are allegedly ki...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
I could, but it would be very tiring.
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
sounds complicated
Brilliant spot
  09/18/21
It’s not complicated at all.
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
So explain it then.
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
The statistics are relevant no matter what's the cause, so t...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
Are you saying that the alleged presence of graphene oxide i...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
no, I am not saying that
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
Break it down for me then. Should not be too hard to explai...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
It is irrelevant to the data in the OP, people are getting s...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
But you said you knew what the mechanism was.
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
It could be driving mutations that are killing the unvaccina...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
You are speculating. We can all speculate all day long. Bu...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
We are identifying sources of uncertainty. Uncertainty == ri...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
I thought I was asking for the mechanism by which vaccines a...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
Well I gave you two. When you hear about vaccinated people ...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
So what is the mechanism? What in the vaccine is allegedly ...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
This article gives a succinct explanation: https://www.sc...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
The article does not mention Covid, came out before Covid, a...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
The article describes RNA viruses. COVID is an RNA virus tha...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
I know how evolution works. I don't need a primer on that. ...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
I know this is a test, and I'm happy to entertain it because...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
I'm still waiting for you to answer my only question. You s...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
JS Millmo here, and the distinction you're making is not mea...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
Here's a problem, as I see it. You are obviously extrem...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
Suppose, hypothetically, that my objective were to get as ma...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
Got it. Would love to continue this discussion with you but ...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
ty. The best way to earn my gratitude is to teach me somethi...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
For board purposes, make your positions clear on here so I c...
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
I don't actually have a firm position on the vaccine. I have...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
I know. But sometimes people are going to look to you for a...
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
I'm worried that there are cancer risks. We haven't seen cle...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
Here’s the problem. Your IQ is running into the &ldquo...
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
Some of my thoughts relate to ongoing legal matters I don't ...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
You can email me but everything I would have to say on the m...
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
At least you have EARNED your vax side effects, should they ...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
Also, I think what you are saying is that there's not a &quo...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
His concerns seem valid, I just don't understand them well e...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
you have been warned :)
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
This is a diversion from the fact that vax makes people dead...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
I get it, but he's also revealing uncertainty. If it were es...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
It's a weighted combination of any of the below, I am exclud...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
Those might be the only concerns you have, but others have c...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
There is no "full FDA approval" now, adminlaw guy,...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
Pfizer got full non-emergency authorization. Pfizer is not r...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
Fraud Dispensation Agency It’s odd they could go by...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
That's what's so alarming from an institutional perspective:...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
Good man. Thank you for playing. Wish you would play more ...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
Lol
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
Surely your pre Covid life wasn’t so bad you don&rsquo...
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
Please rephrase in Standard English
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
I don’t speak Chinglish bud.
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21
You don’t speak at all, it’s a word salad, but p...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
protip: libs took you normal lives away, not covid
electric senate
  09/18/21
1. VAERS doesn't report deaths caused by the vaccine. 2....
Stirring cruise ship
  09/18/21
Lol, Obitard
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
This poast is a public service.
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
...
Stirring cruise ship
  09/21/21
NOADMINLAW
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-1979-04-13/pdf/FR-197...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
110kbps download LOL, but thank. Will read and respond
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
The regulations for the FDA advisory committee are somewhere...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
I understand the FDA has very limited ability to deviate fro...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
It must address the points, it can't just say "blah&quo...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
It can address them by saying "blah," because it o...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
Well, by "can't" I mean they all need to cover the...
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
There is actual scholarship on this but I won't discuss it h...
Wonderful submissive business firm
  09/18/21
Ok
impressive 180 sound barrier
  09/18/21
This means nothing to me. We need to understand base rates a...
hot violet base
  09/18/21
It's from a crank who gets his moment to shine. You ever be...
charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater
  09/18/21
The problem is that people like lsd and this "not a hor...
Stirring cruise ship
  09/18/21
Yeah. I know.
judgmental whorehouse
  09/18/21


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Date: September 17th, 2021 8:48 PM
Author: Disrespectful Property Hominid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=15684s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134398)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 8:51 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Dr. Jill Biden will debunk this soon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134405)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 8:59 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Anyone? WTF?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134446)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 8:59 PM
Author: Pungent piazza internal respiration

this is just some random dude who was allowed to make a public comment. this isn't blessed by the fda in any way. not saying it's not 100% correct, but everyone is getting set up to be debooooonked saying it's fda

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134447)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 9:01 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Random dudes make statements at fda meetings all the time. Maybe he is a Russian hacker who hacked into meeting with Russian disinformation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134457)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 9:03 PM
Author: Pungent piazza internal respiration

no offense but you are out of your depth here. all these public meetings have to allow public written comment and iirc the actual speakers are selected via lottery. BTW this entire advisory committee is ADVISING the FDA, it's not made up of FDA employees. FDA is just the venue at which this is being done and the FDA takes the recommendations under consideration (and almost always follows them). the advisors are field experts but before they vote they have the companies, the FDA reviewers, and the public summarize / argue the voting topics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134466)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 9:06 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

They are required after Belmont report

It’s here somewhere,

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-1979-04-13/pdf/FR-1979-04-13.pdf#page=1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134476)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 12:55 PM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

Checks out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136816)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 1:01 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Lol, pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136844)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 1:41 PM
Author: Stirring cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136954)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 9:06 PM
Author: Disrespectful Property Hominid

FDA was for clickbait title, but he’s def not “some random dude”

https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevekirsch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134475)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 9:22 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

It’s an FDA organized meeting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134538)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 9:09 PM
Author: Disrespectful Property Hominid

Either way he shows a slide with data, it’s not a matter of his opinion or credentials

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134483)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 9:16 PM
Author: Pungent piazza internal respiration

*looks at title of your post*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134514)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:58 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring parlor

"Blessed by the FDA" has lost all meaning anyway after the way the Pfizer approval happened

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136590)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:50 PM
Author: Costumed nibblets hospital

cr. this is being spammed repeatedly by retards on pol. can't believe it's appearing here. who is retarded OP?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137588)



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Date: September 17th, 2021 9:18 PM
Author: orchid galvanic pit jap

Fraudvax for a fraudvirus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43134518)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:48 AM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136544)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:50 AM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

Vaxx has saved thousands and gives us back our normal lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136548)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:52 AM
Author: Disrespectful Property Hominid

It killed many more thousands, the second claim seems spurious for most libs in lib cities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136561)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:55 AM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

Vaccine killed thousands? Really? Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136569)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:56 AM
Author: Disrespectful Property Hominid

Check OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136579)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 12:02 PM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

Okay, What is the mechanism by which they are “killing people” please.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136601)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 12:03 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Lol, idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136608)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 12:05 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

What is the mechanism by which the vaccines are allegedly killing thousands. Can you answer or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136621)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 12:12 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

I could, but it would be very tiring.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136640)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 1:58 PM
Author: Brilliant spot

sounds complicated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137013)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

It’s not complicated at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137080)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 2:41 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

So explain it then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137177)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 2:57 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

The statistics are relevant no matter what's the cause, so the cause is irrelevant here, and it derails the thread.

But ok,

https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/transmission-electron-microscopy-reveals-graphene-oxide-in-cov-19-vaccines

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137281)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:06 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

Are you saying that the alleged presence of graphene oxide in the vaccines have allegedly killed thousands of people?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137329)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:06 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

no, I am not saying that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137331)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:08 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

Break it down for me then. Should not be too hard to explain the mechanism by which vaccines are killing thousands of people. I'm not looking for something deep in the weeds, just give me the 10,000 feet view.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137341)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:17 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

It is irrelevant to the data in the OP, people are getting sick or dead no matter what the mechanism is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137401)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:32 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

But you said you knew what the mechanism was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137481)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:00 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

It could be driving mutations that are killing the unvaccinated, or people for whom the vaccine is not particularly effective. We were told early in the pandemic that coronaviruses have a predictable mutation rate, but this one seems to have an infinitely variable one.

ADE could also be occurring, but there is no ongoing to effort to track it. Pfizer sure as fuck isn't going to go looking for it, and now they have full FDA approval now so who is going to spend even $1 looking for data on this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137299)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:07 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

You are speculating. We can all speculate all day long. But do you have any facts you want to present?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137333)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:14 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

We are identifying sources of uncertainty. Uncertainty == risk. It's not accurate to say a drug is "safe" and "efficacious" when the the benefits seem questionable.

For example, young children are almost always able to clear the virus without becoming ill, so there may be very little upside to the vaccine, especially if it does not actually prevent infection.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137377)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:16 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

I thought I was asking for the mechanism by which vaccines are allegedly killing thousands of people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137392)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:20 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

Well I gave you two. When you hear about vaccinated people getting the disease and dying, it's possible that they are just among the 7-30% for whom the vaccine confers little apparent protection. However, it could also be the case that for some individuals, the vaccine causes the virus to mutate in ways that enhance its pathogenic properties. This is called antibody dependent enhancement (ADE). ADE is why the dengue vaccines was withdrawn from the market. It's not a conspiracy theory or something that was only a problem 40 years ago. It can also take years to detect.

Cancer can also take years to detect. Giving the vaccine to an 80 year old carries no downside risk of cancer because they're not going to be alive that long. Giving it to a three year-old is another matter entirely, especially where the law absolves the manufacturer of all liability AND gov't regulators determined the drug was "safe" after hearing from 19 different panels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137414)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:35 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

So what is the mechanism? What in the vaccine is allegedly killing thousands of vaxxed people? Can you answer that, or no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137497)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:37 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

This article gives a succinct explanation:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-mutant-viral-swarms-spread-disease/

I can find others that describe the same phenomenon if this doesn't sit well with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137514)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:42 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

The article does not mention Covid, came out before Covid, and simply explains a principle of epidemiology.

This does nothing to explain what we can only call your "unfounded belief" at this point that the vaccine is killing thousands of vaccinated people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137552)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:45 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

The article describes RNA viruses. COVID is an RNA virus that has this exact same effect, as described in the article:

"When a virus infects a cell, it begins to copy the cell’s genome, incurring mutations as it does so. When daughter viruses assemble themselves in the cytoplasmic soup of genes and proteins, the overall virus that results is often a mash-up of these mutated copies. If one mutation creates a dud protein, as happened with dengue, the virus can survive because of other viruses in the swarm that have a good copy. Think of it as a potluck, Domingo said. The host asks people to bring many types of dishes. That way, if any one person arrives late or burns a pie, a single missing item won’t ruin the dinner.

For a virus, a variety of options allow it not only to infect different hosts, as chik and dengue do with humans and mosquitoes, but also to infect different tissues within the same host. “This cloud of mutations makes it easier for viruses to explore new tissues and new hosts,” Domingo said."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137567)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:50 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

I know how evolution works. I don't need a primer on that.

But how does this describe the mechanism by which the vaccine is allegedly killing thousands of the vaccinated?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137591)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:00 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

I know this is a test, and I'm happy to entertain it because I know it has little to do with this subject, but at some point you'll have to start writing better questions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137633)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:34 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

I'm still waiting for you to answer my only question. You said there was a mechanism by which the vaccine is causing thousands of deaths. I've been trying to get you to explain what that mechanism is.

And all you've offered is some speculation and guesswork, which I've noted, refreshingly is not the usual antivax nonsense about poisons in the vaxx itself but is instead supposedly some quasi public policy argument vis a vis viral evolution, w a lot of speculation and no support at all offered in relation to Covid itself or better ways to combat the pandemic in a free society.

(You should at least make clear to the other antivaxxers on this boart that, unlike those dimwits, you don't actually assign a significant credence function to the claim that there is a poison in the vaxx that is killing thousands of people.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137777)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:56 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

JS Millmo here, and the distinction you're making is not meaningful to me. Epistemic humility requires that all voices be heard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137863)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:03 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

Here's a problem, as I see it.

You are obviously extremely intelligent and professionally trained to think critically, and have some involvement in the vacccine on a public policy level.

When, in the interests of epistemic humility, you appear to endorse or humor the conspiracy wackadoos on here when it comes to the vaccine, everyone can sense your intelligence and consideration, and that adds weight to the wackadoos position, whether you mean that effect or not.

Something to think about. Remember, most people go by their "gut" and you might not be doing public safety any favors when you try to show epistemic humility for a lark.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137899)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:05 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

Suppose, hypothetically, that my objective were to get as many people vaxxed as possible. I would need to convince all the the rubes in Alabama to get jabbed, and I don't know how to do that while being honest about how I feel about their theories.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137907)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:09 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

Got it. Would love to continue this discussion with you but I don't have anything more of interest to add on this topic at the moment. You've certainly given me food for thought, and I hope that I've suggested something to you that might prove helpful as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137916)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:38 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

ty. The best way to earn my gratitude is to teach me something that proves me wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137990)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 6:08 PM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

For board purposes, make your positions clear on here so I can try.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43138084)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 6:53 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

I don't actually have a firm position on the vaccine. I have dabbled in legal theories that are connected to this however, and the vaccine mandate opens up potential avenues for legal challenge that I'd like to explore, not because I oppose the mandate per se, but because I don't believe it rests on a sound administrative structure. If in fact it were the case that mandatory vaccination was necessary to stop a pandemic, I would want the POTUS to have the power to make it happen. That means the mandate needs to be immune to constitutional challenge. This one looks weak to me, but I hesitate to say more. I feel a bit like the NAACP when they were trying to figure out to what to do with Claudette Colvin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43138275)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 6:56 PM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

I know. But sometimes people are going to look to you for answers. Whether you like it or not. It’s not a position you are super comfortable with but it’s good to take some helpful position on, publicly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43138294)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 7:00 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

I'm worried that there are cancer risks. We haven't seen clear evidence of COVID causing cancer, but we also missed a lot of cancer screening so the data are shit.

If there are cancer risks associated with COVID, vaccines could be useful but probably are not where I think the research focus should be. I think we've brainwashed ourselves into believing that "vaccines" are the solution to everything, when it turns out we can't even make up our minds about what constitutes a "vaccine."

In general, I think alternative therapies should be fully investigated and vetted for scientific value, not dismissed because their proponents couldn't cobble enough data to present a more comprehensive study than bigpharma can buy for $2bn (Hoover estimate of the average cost of FDA safety trials for one drug)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43138310)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 7:07 PM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

Here’s the problem. Your IQ is running into the “counterproductive” territory. I only wish we were utterly rational creatures. We aren’t. Your concerns are (humorous) footnotes but your direction is what’s sought.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43138346)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 7:09 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

Some of my thoughts relate to ongoing legal matters I don't feel comfortable commenting on. I'd rather xo presume I have an intellectual deficiency than push me in directions I'd rather not go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43138351)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 7:10 PM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

You can email me but everything I would have to say on the matter you know far better than me anyway.

Xo already thinks I have an intellectual deficiency so …

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43138355)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:07 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

At least you have EARNED your vax side effects, should they occur.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137914)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:53 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

Also, I think what you are saying is that there's not a "poison" in the vaccine--the vaccine is simply interacting in a darwinian fashion with the vax to become tougher in some respect. So it comes back around and kills people otherwise vaxxed.

That is a far cry from what your antivaxxer pal in this thread is saying. It's also the only way an antivaxxer would realistically say that thousands are dying "of the vaccine" which in itself is still disingenuous.

And it does nothing to support the idea of remaining unvaxxed either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137601)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:05 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

His concerns seem valid, I just don't understand them well enough to have an opinion. I strongly believe the mutagenic and oncogenic effects of viruses are largely unstudied. Like we don't know shit.

Try spending ~2 years trying to eliminate a wart on your thumb. Watch it disappear and then grow itself back. Feel it growing its blood supply before the roots even become visible again. Over time you'll come to feel like you're dealing with some sort of enemy AI that knows how to harness your tissues to build a hardened fortress right there in your own body, and you see how hard it is to stop it without freezing it, nuking it with chemicals, and scraping away a 1/4 inch of your own flesh while writing in pain because this virus somehow turns up the gain on your pain receptors in addition to the other shit it does. Now imagine this "wart" is a full blown tumor growing in your kidney and shitting copies of the virus into your bloodstream.

I don't know about vaxxed vs unvaxxed at a population-wide level, but Sweden seems to be doing ok these days so IDK. I don't see the point in vaccinating kids when 99.9% clear the virus without issue. At that point the vaccine is all cost and no benefit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137656)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:53 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

you have been warned :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137605)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:20 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

This is a diversion from the fact that vax makes people dead. He is leading you from the facts into a field where no matter what you poast, you will get "how can you be sure?" or "but the other source says the opposite", "but what about COVID?" etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137416)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:26 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

I get it, but he's also revealing uncertainty. If it were established fact that the vaccine causes deaths, but we knew the mechanism and we could assess likelihood, we might still be able to say in good faith that it's safe and efficacious. We would also be able to reassure skeptics, because we'll be able say truthfully that we investigated their concerns. So there's value in clearing up doubt even if you personally believe there's scant evidence to support the skeptics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137443)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:36 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

It's a weighted combination of any of the below, I am excluding "conspiracies":

1) mRNA-generated spike protein causing damage likely in a way greater than the virus itself

2) graphene oxide causing the damage directly to blood cells and vessels

3) stainless steel particles damaging blood cells and vessels directly

4) 2 and 3 do interact with electromagnetic fields and it is probably causing additional damage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137502)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:44 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

Those might be the only concerns you have, but others have concerns they will want addressed. That's why, as you pointed out, speakers are chosen by lottery and the FDA is required to respond to every objection.

But the vaccine mandate highlights the very problem I've identified, which is that none of this was done before the vaccine was thrust onto the public. The skeptics never had their concerns addressed. It's too late to even do that for Pfizer now because it's been given full FDA approval. Seems like a due process issue, except that the FDA doesn't think so because, fundamentally, it only understands itself to be regulating commercial speech. It is regulating Pfizer's use of the words "safe" and "effective," not yours...or is it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137563)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:53 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

There is no "full FDA approval" now, adminlaw guy, there is an emergency use authorization only, Biden lied.

And yes, it is "approval to market", i.e. to use specific language

There is a statistical certainty wrt serious side effects now, not uncertainty, "why" it happens is irrelevant to the authorization, this is what you don't get for some reason. Risk/benefit analysis does not need to know the exact mechanism of risk, it's outcome based.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137599)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:22 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

Pfizer got full non-emergency authorization. Pfizer is not required to conduct additional safety testing in order to market its vaccine as a safe and effective therapy for COVID for anyone age 12+.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

"There is a statistical certainty wrt serious side effects now"

That's only if you think the studies were conducted long enough. I don't think we've been studying COVID long enough, let alone the vaccines. It takes HIV 3-7 years to become cancerous. Past vaccine trials have been run 5-6 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137732)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:36 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Fraud Dispensation Agency

It’s odd they could go by one short study and willfully ignore the wider data. One study model is obviously not designed for something already widely used. Corruption at its best.

Did not they have several people leave over this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137785)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:43 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

That's what's so alarming from an institutional perspective:

https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9

Both of these people left because they felt political pressure to approve boosters. That's bad. I've never heard of career professionals at an agency - merit hires, not policial appointees -- resign after 30 years because they felt political pressure. Cannot think of any other examples anywhere gov't off the top of my head. This isn't Sally Yates trying to get book deal, these people are GS-15s unless it's easy to get SES at FDA.

But more alarming is that the FDA seems poised to adopt their position -- AFTER they resigned just a few weeks ago. We can only infer that there was been some sort of internal revolt that preceded the conference yesterday, because the FDA was openly downplaying the likelihood of approving boosters all week.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137998)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:44 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

Good man. Thank you for playing. Wish you would play more on here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137813)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:53 AM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136564)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:54 AM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

Surely your pre Covid life wasn’t so bad you don’t want to go back to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136566)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:55 AM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Please rephrase in Standard English

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136572)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 11:58 AM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

I don’t speak Chinglish bud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136585)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 12:00 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

You don’t speak at all, it’s a word salad, but probably a good representation of whatever is going on in your head.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136594)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 1:45 PM
Author: electric senate

protip: libs took you normal lives away, not covid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136965)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 1:36 PM
Author: Stirring cruise ship

1. VAERS doesn't report deaths caused by the vaccine.

2. That isn't the FDA (so your thread is a lie).

3. This reminds me of the time you said airlines were banning vaccinated passengers because some right wing con artist told you so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43136935)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 2:16 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Lol, Obitard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137083)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:08 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

This poast is a public service.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137344)



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Date: September 21st, 2021 5:00 PM
Author: Stirring cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43154049)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 2:01 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

NOADMINLAW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137023)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 2:29 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-1979-04-13/pdf/FR-1979-04-13.pdf#page=1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137128)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:02 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

110kbps download LOL, but thank. Will read and respond

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137310)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:14 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

The regulations for the FDA advisory committee are somewhere there, FDA must evaluate and respond to all submissions, I suspect they did not poast it in some modern form on FDA site for a reason.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137379)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:13 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

I understand the FDA has very limited ability to deviate from these recommendations, if that's your point. That doesn't mean it adopts the statements of every speaker who advocates in favor of the position it adopts. There were a few wackos on the stage, as there should always be because epistemic humility demands it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137372)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

It must address the points, it can't just say "blah".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137439)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:28 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

It can address them by saying "blah," because it only has to satisfy rational basis test. It won't do that here because it's under the microscope, but it would not be illegal if it did.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137456)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 3:50 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Well, by "can't" I mean they all need to cover their asses, if things go south with this vax, none of them want to be the negligent fall guy. If I decide to spend hours reading that PDF, there could be some more mandatory language, I don't know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137589)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:31 PM
Author: Wonderful submissive business firm

There is actual scholarship on this but I won't discuss it here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137766)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:01 PM
Author: impressive 180 sound barrier

Ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137893)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 4:54 PM
Author: hot violet base

This means nothing to me. We need to understand base rates and potential mechanisms. Not surprised that vaccine doesn’t confer immortality or that people who are more likely to become ill would be more likely to get vaccinated and then die of things that make them high risk in the first instance. What’s the crux of this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137854)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:04 PM
Author: charcoal digit ratio volcanic crater

It's from a crank who gets his moment to shine. You ever been to a town hall meeting?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137902)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 5:23 PM
Author: Stirring cruise ship

The problem is that people like lsd and this "not a horse" guy aren't in on the joke.

They think this stuff is real.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43137948)



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Date: September 18th, 2021 7:32 PM
Author: judgmental whorehouse

Yeah. I know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4924085&forum_id=2#43138429)