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The logic fail at the heart of the vax hysteria is hilarious
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:09 AM Author: trip kitchen halford "YOU MUST GET VACCINATED UR GONNA KILL US ALL!"
"But you're vaccinated, what do you have to fear?"
"THE VACCINES DON'T ACTUALLY PREVENT YOU FROM SPREADING, CATCHING, OR DYING FROM COVID, BIGOT! THEY JUST MAKE IT LESS LIKELY YOU'LL GET SICK FROM CERTAIN STRAINS FOR A VERY LIMITED TIME!"
"Oh"
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:52 AM Author: high-end potus They significantly reduce the risk that you will be involved in "SPREADING, CATCHING, OR DYING FROM COVID."
Part measures are better than no measures. Life is not black and white. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:54 AM Author: ultramarine vigorous point no they dont (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145805) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:58 AM Author: Avocado theater stage black woman No, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145818) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:22 AM Author: trip kitchen halford Even if this were true, it necessarily means that the "vaccines" aren't true vaccines, but limited-time therapeutics largely similar to flu shots.
The problem is, ofc, whether this is true or not is debatable. It seems they're effective against some strains for some amount of time. Not really a panacea. In fact, using a mixed-efficacy vaccine may be making things worse by promoting evolution of the virus.
There's good evidence out of Israel that doing nothing - i.e. pursuing widespread natural immunity - would actually be the CR versus leaky vaccines + endless boosters
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:29 AM Author: Carnelian Vivacious Keepsake Machete What are the characteristics of a “true vaccine,” doctor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146012) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:32 AM Author: Cream Excitant Market Circlehead *pulls up definition from archived page on CDC website* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146027) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:41 AM Author: ultramarine vigorous point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146069) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:50 PM Author: Buff electric furnace skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146497) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:41 AM Author: trip kitchen halford Glad you asked, ardent acolyte of Science!
Generally speaking, pre-2021 getting a vaccine meant you were effectively prevented you from getting the illness it was developed to combat. E.g. the polio vaccine meant you were never getting polio. I.e. a vaccine was a medical treatment that prevented a disease from occurring. This was largely different from yearly proactive treatments like the flu shot, which are always somewhat effective against some strains of a virus, and really more of a therapeutic than an actual vaccine.
Now, to be sure, some vaccines have always required boosters. But these are usually years apart and done out of an abundance of caution. That these COVID "vaccines" need them within 5-6 months due to waning efficacy places them in the same vein as flu shots and should give us a bit of pause.
Of course, the CDC updated the definition of what a vaccine does from prevent disease to produce immunity in 2021, so the definition is officially somewhat muddled:
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1435606845926871041?s=20
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:44 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy And, consistent with your point, "preventing the disease" has usually meant preventing symptomatic expression of the disease, not some forcefield that causes a virus to bounce off your body.
But this is all unimportant semantic bullshit, because (just like fretting about "cases") who the fuck cares if you get some minor sniffles or an "infection" without any symptoms? |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:48 AM Author: trip kitchen halford Virtually everyone who catches COVID experiences it as either minor sniffles, so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146099) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Ok...so that's good, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146103) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:51 AM Author: trip kitchen halford Yes, and a good reason why we don't need crappy vaccines and endless lockdowns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146112) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:55 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Ok, so if you you can extend that good result to more people who would otherwise get a worse result, that's a benefit, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146132) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:03 PM Author: trip kitchen halford I'm glad we are in agreement we should pursue natural herd immunity and perhaps vaccinate the most at risk populations (super unhealthies and super olds). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146190) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:04 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Not sure why you would prefer the risks of acquiring natural immunity to the risk of vaccine-induced immunity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146203) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:11 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Because the vaccine immunity is SPS after a time and I'm not interested in endless boosters, HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146241) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:14 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Ok, now show your work and compare it to natural immunity. What does "the vaccine immunity is SPS after a time" mean, really? How does that compare to natural immunity? How to the risks of acquiring natural immunity compare to the risks of getting the vaccine? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146247) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:53 PM Author: Buff electric furnace skinny woman If you get a good IgA response in your gut and mucosa, it is kind of like having a forcefield. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146504) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:46 AM Author: Carnelian Vivacious Keepsake Machete None of that is remotely true.
1. A “vaccine” is an intervention to prime an immune response. A “therapeutic” treats symptoms. The Covid vax does only the former, not the latter. 2. There has never been a vaccine that is 100% effective. Ever. 3. The flu “shot” is a vaccine with much lower effectiveness than the Covid vax and only a literal retarded person would dispute that it’s a vaccine. Hth |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:56 AM Author: trip kitchen halford It's all true, actually.
I know you have a hard time with established scientific concepts like chromosomes and secondary sex characteristics, but the fact that you can still get, transmit, and die from COVID while under the "protection" of the miracle vax doesn't help any of your points here.
Not a lot of folks checking into the ER with a post-vax "breakthrough" of polio. In fact, none. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:00 PM Author: Carnelian Vivacious Keepsake Machete Next time can you try to dispute a single thing I said?
The reason there aren't breakthrough polio infections is that the polio virus doesn't circulate anymore since 99% of the population is vaxxed against it. hth
"Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective."
*waits for "DA CDC JUST CHANGED THE NUMBERS ON THIS TO MAKE DA COVID THERAPEUTIC SEEM EFFECTIVE"
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:02 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Now do how many "breakthrough" cases of polio there were after the vaccine was implemented. The results may surprise you!
Hint: the whole idea of a "breakthrough" case is laughable on its face and signals that these vaccines kinda suck. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:07 PM Author: Carnelian Vivacious Keepsake Machete What do you think "90% effective" means, fucko? What, to your mind, would the "10%" represent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146222) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:15 PM Author: trip kitchen halford (guy who didn't get all his polio shots)
Look, man, if getting three shots of COVIDvaxx had the same lasting effectiveness as getting three shots of poliovaxx, that would be great. But that isn't the case.
The trajectory is that of the flu shot, with annual (if not more often) shots and seasonal variations in effectiveness. For a rapidly-evolving respiratory illness, this seems like a very poor thing to mandate as necessity. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:20 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant lol, no. did you get that from facebook?
there are actually several dozen types of bacterias and viruses that were attributed to "polio", and in fact, once the usage of certain pesticides and chemicals were stopped, polio cases dropped dramatically.
in reality, you get polio by being around poisonous chemicals and not washing your hands. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:36 PM Author: Medicated Citrine Juggernaut Hospital Also, running water. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146404) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:39 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant for the most part, vaccines have done little to actually curb disease transmission. it's almost entirely improvements in sanitation. polio, and it's surrounding propaganda, is a slightly different case, because it showed up later (after the advent of widespread pesticide/chemical use). libs like to use polio as an example of vaccines working. the reality is that vaccines did almost nothing, and areas with high polio cases also had high industrialized chemical usage. once those chemicals were banned polio cases completely fell off. libs don't want you to know this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146423) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:39 PM Author: Medicated Citrine Juggernaut Hospital I'm with you, bros. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146430) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:35 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy WTF is this "no true scotsman" shit? Who cares if it's a "true" vaccine if it has significant benefits? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146043) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:43 AM Author: trip kitchen halford Because the "significant benefits" are not widespread against all variants, temporary in nature, and may lead to a worse overall outcome down the road? LJL sounds like something you should care about when mandating a sweeping public health policy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146075) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:46 AM Author: high-end potus Everything that you have said here misses the point.
Something can do major good in eliminating a bad outcome but still not eliminate all the bad outcome. That does not mean we don't implement it.
You mention public policy in the above poast, but it's almost like you don't want to understand this concept. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: trip kitchen halford "Something can do major good in eliminating a bad outcome but still not eliminate all the bad outcome."
The lib brain, folks.
It's like they willfully refuse to acknowledge there were other options besides crappy vaccines and forced mandates. Like, you know, doing nothing and developing natural herd immunity, the best of all outcomes. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy (expert in self-pwnage) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146105) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:53 AM Author: high-end potus It is. This is actually a major vulnerability in conturd and alt-right shitposting. They literally cannot understand this concept. Talk w them about gun control and you get the same sort of black and white thinking. "Something either works 100 percent to eliminate a wrong or its not worth changing my behavior for." They don't do nuances, at least online. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146122) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: Avocado theater stage black woman gun control is pretty black and white in that niggers are 99% of the problem
odd how libs miss this "nuance" |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:55 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Libs do the same shit. It's not a conturd or shitlib thing, it's a not-very-bright-person thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146135) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:57 AM Author: Carnelian Vivacious Keepsake Machete (thoughtful moderate) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146149) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:00 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Centrist, sure, but not necessarily moderate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146174) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:57 AM Author: high-end potus Fair. Fair. Not gonna say it's only coming from one group, although I don't usually see it coming from anyone other than alt-right shitpoasters in personal experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146151) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:10 PM Author: trip kitchen halford No, I have trouble with lib concepts like man in dress = woman, not with your midwit "It's not just black and white, man!" arguments, which I believe I last heard sometime in junior high.
It's really simple, libs, there is another course of action we could pursue besides social hysteria over a virus with a 99%+ survival rate, crappy vaccines, and insane mask wearing ghost dances. We could just accept this virus as a fact of life, pursue natural immunity, and perhaps cloister the most at risk populations. This is the best outcome with the least amount of societal wreckage. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:12 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy We probably agree on more than we disagree re Covid policy, but your dimwit arguments regarding vaccine efficacy are a stupid way to get there.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:47 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy "are not widespread against all variants"
citation needed
"temporary in nature"
Like a flu shot? Yeah, so what? All indications are they provide significant benefits for months, and the "oh noes vaccine efficacy is waning" hysteria is mostly media pearl clutching.
"may lead to a worse overall outcome down the road"
Citation needed. The "may" cause the sky to fall. Or they may not. We have actualy good data showing the benefits. Hypothetical dreamed up detriments aren't really a great counterweight. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:41 AM Author: high-end potus I have no idea why the few antivaxxers I know keep going back to this. They keep saying, "It was billed as a vaccine but it's really a prophylactic!" Never understood how this was even something to argue. Regardless of what you think it was initially held out as, it's assuredly safe and prevents the catching of covid, the transmission of covid, and the worst of its symptoms. Saying "It's not a real vaccine!" at this point because it is something like the annual flu vaccine rather than what you get for polio as a baby just seems like some irrational lunatic talking-point. Utterly irrelevant and unfounded besides. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146067) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:47 AM Author: trip kitchen halford LMAO move the goalpoasts further, please.
We've gone from IT'S THE ALL POWERFUL CURE to "yeah so what if they're ineffective after 5-6 months and you need forever boosters, oh and they don't work against diff. variants."
Oh, what a panacea!
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy There is literally 0 evidence that the vaccines are ineffective after 5-6 months or that they don't work against different variants. You are making shit up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146100) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:50 AM Author: trip kitchen halford There is actually mountains of evidence that they don't do much against Delta and you're gonna need a booster. See Israel or anywhere where the hospitals are now filled with predominately vaxxed people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146109) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: Carnelian Vivacious Keepsake Machete Link to the tweets that constitute your "evidence"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146128) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:56 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Israel is a counterexample to what you are claiming, you absolute dimwit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146137) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:22 PM Author: trip kitchen halford "Actually, the vaccine failing just means the vaccine is working!"
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:32 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy If you think the data from Israel shows the vaccine "failing," then you are innumerate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146376) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:39 PM Author: trip kitchen halford The Israeli data clearly demonstrates that natural immunity is superior, the vaccines have waning effectiveness against new variants, and that you can still get sick and dead from COVID post-vaccination.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:53 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Yes, the Israel data appears to show natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity (it also shows that natural immunity + one vaccine shot is superior to anything else).
That doesn't mean the vaccines are ineffective or "failing."
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:52 AM Author: high-end potus Again, still not getting why this is even considered an argument.
Also, FWIW I don't think it was ever held out as a cure.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:02 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus Link to evidence of assured safety? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146185) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:03 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy There is no such thing as "assured safety" in life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146189) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:15 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus So this quotemo is an idiot. Thanks for clarifying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146252) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: high-end potus Your safety is assured in the medical context. There are risks to everything associated with medical care.
I presumed it wasn't necessary for me to have to say that. But I recognize that some really dumb folks here are seething ITT because they can't seem to get a win in, so I should have known better.
With that caveat, let me be clear: Your safety from the vaccine is assured. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:21 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy If the minimal risks associated with vaccination count as "safety assured," then there is a significant population of people whose "safety is assured" from Covid regardless of vaccination. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146286) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:24 PM Author: high-end potus No doubt.
While they remain unvaxxed, they are more likely to pass Covid on to others. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:26 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy That seems to be accurate, but it's hard to know what "more likely" actually means right now. Not a lot of good data on that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146328) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:28 PM Author: high-end potus Don't disagree with that either. Doing what we can to end this thing, following the best courses of action as they appear at this moment. When people don't understand why a particular course is "the best course at the moment," that is harmful. When people willfully spread misinformation detracting from the best course at the moment, that is harmful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146345) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:26 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus Going to need a link for this one as well. Thakn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146333) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:36 PM Author: high-end potus Do you disagree with the proposition that getting the vaccine reduces the likelihood that you will spread corona to someone else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146407) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:56 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus Personally I would say it's debatable but unlikely to have any significant effect on me. As a matter of public policy, I would guess that with current widespread public health believes and behaviors it's unlikely to have much effect at the societal level. I acknowledge that in many individuals it will reduce their likelihood of spreading covid (e.g. those who die with vaccine). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146526) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:03 PM Author: high-end potus So we agree that you getting the vaccine would reduce the chance that you will spread covid on to someone else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146571) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:09 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus As I clearly explained, no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146602) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:11 PM Author: high-end potus "I acknowledge that in many individuals it will reduce their likelihood of spreading covid (e.g. those who die with vaccine)."
Reconcile. Please say what you mean. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:18 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus "Personally I would say it's debatable but unlikely to have any significant effect on me." (referring to the MRNA covid vaccines) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146645) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:38 PM Author: high-end potus Can you answer or not? Please say what you mean. I'm not a mind reader.
Let's make it easy, and start from the beginning again. Do you agree with this statement:
"You getting the vaccine would reduce the chance that you will spread covid on to someone else." |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:33 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus For the third time no. Jfc man what's wrong with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147891) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:25 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus Okay no link but an almost coherent response. What qualifies as assuredly safe in the medical context? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146317) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:37 PM Author: high-end potus Not interested in playing word games. Would be interested in what you think the risks from the vaccine are, including their respective likelihood of developing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146415) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:51 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus Those are your words, if they have clearly defined meaning please enlighten me. Who's playing games?
The established risks are myocarditis, etc. that the CDC has admitted. I'd wager there are additional risks but I don't know what they are. I haven't seen any clear explanation of the VAERS data for starters. Frankly I see no benefit to getting this vaccine so the burden of proof is on those who want me to get it to provide evidence. They'd be better served providing informed consent of the risks than parroting "safe and effective" propaganda.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:54 PM Author: high-end potus What is the risk of developing myocarditis as a result a vaccination. What is the risk of developing myocarditis as a result of Covid? Answer these questions and you will have your answer. I am not saying you can understand it, but at least you might be more circumspect about spreading lies on the topic.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:08 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus Personally I would assume my risk is higher with the vaccine vs. risk of catching covid and developing myocarditis, but I'm open to seeing evidence to the contrary.
For those without prior infection or vaccine it's a good point and worth explaining with clear data.
If you think you haven't spread lies on this topic you are delusional and beyond help. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:12 PM Author: high-end potus Can you answer the two questions above or no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146623) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:19 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus I did answer with regards to myself. I could research the meta data but I'd rather not. From what I remember the risks are similar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146655) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:36 PM Author: high-end potus I didn't ask for your "feelings" or "opinions" though. Those things might be pertinent later on, but I'm just asking you whether you can actually answer the two questions posted. And you apparently cannot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146711) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:32 PM Author: mentally impaired arousing becky locus I fully responded to you. You have not responded to me. Honestly you seem painfully dumb and this is why even some people who need it don't get vaxxed, because of people like you making a mess of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147887) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:34 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy To be fair, they make it significantly less likely you'll get sick from all known strains for an extended period of time (at least 6 months) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146039) |
Date: September 20th, 2021 10:11 AM Author: thriller parlour “If it doesn’t prevent spreading or getting covid, why is everyone forced to get it?”
“Get the fucking jab!!!!” |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:11 AM Author: vibrant locale We must protect the already protected by making the unprotected protect themselves with the protection that isn’t working for the protected. *blank stare* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145515) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:20 AM Author: Avocado theater stage black woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145579) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:22 AM Author: Exciting brethren church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145589) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:23 AM Author: Razzmatazz Chapel Sweet Tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145598) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:26 AM Author: comical location jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145626) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:32 AM Author: trip kitchen halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145673) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:45 AM Author: Violet sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145754) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:59 AM Author: Spectacular library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145826) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:01 AM Author: electric site hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145838) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:37 AM Author: ruddy free-loading trailer park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146055) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:56 AM Author: high-end potus This was misinformed even back in March when it was first said. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146140) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:11 PM Author: Buck-toothed psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146239) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:10 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy university also need to protect kids who don't get covid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146606) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 5:01 PM Author: boyish son of senegal stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148074) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:48 PM Author: Clear passionate area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43150166) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:11 AM Author: slate incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145517) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:15 AM Author: laughsome rambunctious abode The vaccines prevent death in the vaccinated imho so if 99.9% get!vaccinated then….. I guess 0.1% still won’t be, deaths will be the same yoy and we’ll just blame random Scumbags (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145538) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:16 AM Author: Swollen fat ankles It's a probability thing.
Wearing a seatbelt is actually a pretty good analogy. Doesn't make a fatal or injurious crash impossible, but certainly makes it less likely. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: Marvelous Philosopher-king Theater does the seat belt increase my odds for heart inflammation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145551) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: sepia boiling water field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145560) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:28 AM Author: Cream Excitant Market Circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145642) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:39 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy No, but there are lots of other really unlikely detriments from seatbelt use (what if the mechanism gets smashed and you can't get out of a burning car?).
If you're an adolescent male, maybe the vax isn't a likely benefit due to the myocarditis risk. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:44 PM Author: high-end potus You can get heart injuries from a seatbelt in a crash. Not a legitimate reason not to wear one though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146457) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:39 PM Author: high-end potus Your heart is FAR more likely to be inflamed as a result of Covid. This risk of heart inflammation from the vaccine is SO LOW that you literally, right now, uninfected, have a greater chance of getting heart inflammation from Covid than you would if you took the vax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146424) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:46 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant link? the fda just came out and said the opposite when they didn't approve the booster for under 65 year olds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146470) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:50 PM Author: high-end potus We were talking about risks to the unvaccinated, not those eligible for a booster shot having already been vaccinated. See the difference?
Also you are wrong on the facts. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:56 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Depends on sex/age, I think. Myocarditis is a lot more common in adolescent boys after their second mRNA shot, apparently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146525) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:04 PM Author: high-end potus Everything always depends on sex/age. Is OP an adolescent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146579) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 5:02 PM Author: boyish son of senegal stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148082) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: Marvelous Philosopher-king Theater what part of a seat belt is injected into a human body? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145556) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:18 AM Author: sepia boiling water field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145563) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: Marvelous Philosopher-king Theater were seat belts developed with/tested on aborted babies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145562) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:18 AM Author: sepia boiling water field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145564) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:19 AM Author: Medicated Citrine Juggernaut Hospital 99.97% of the aborted babies stayed dead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145574) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:19 AM Author: drab affirmative action people who are hurt SIT IN THE BOOSTER SEAT MAGATARD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145572) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:20 AM Author: Avocado theater stage black woman cr wearing seatbelts is fucking gay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145581) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:24 AM Author: trip kitchen halford If I don't wear my seat belt and you do, that doesn't harm you at all.
Vaccine nutjobs are essentially claiming that me "not wearing a seat belt" DOES hurt you, and the reason it hurts you is because the "vaccines" aren't actual vaccines, just limited-time therapeutics of questionable efficacy against emergent strains.
The seat belt analogy is SPS for a variety of other reasons, as poasters above have pointed out. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:34 AM Author: light soul-stirring knife police squad "If I don't wear my seat belt and you do, that doesn't harm you at all."
Not wearing a seatbelt turns you into a human missile during a crash, so it actually does. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:12 AM Author: trip kitchen halford sounds alpha tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145915) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:42 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Yeah, that's a key difference, although not a huge one since nearly all vaccinated people face a really low risk from covid (similar to risks we've borne for years and years).
The thing that's not different is that people taking up medical resources can harm others in some scenarios (which aren't terribly common, but are apparently happening in some regional areas with high covid rates). That's not likely to happen with car crashes. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:46 AM Author: appetizing fuchsia property useless brakes Do seatbelts disintegrate after 4 months? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146091) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:26 PM Author: Multi-colored misunderstood stock car my daughter's backpack setting off the passenger seatbelt beeping sensor of my BMW this morning, causing me to have to reach over and buckle the seatbelt and distract myself even for a few seconds is actually a perfect analogy to the dumbfuckery of all this covid nonsense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146335) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:22 AM Author: hyperventilating mental disorder stage What’s less hilarious is how this “logic fail” is the prevailing viewpoint driving legislation, and even slight public disagreement with or questioning of it is not tolerated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145590) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:32 AM Author: sepia boiling water field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145675) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:33 AM Author: ultramarine vigorous point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145679) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:33 AM Author: Razzmatazz Chapel Sweet Tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145681) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:36 AM Author: Frum crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145698) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:41 AM Author: vibrant locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145733) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:42 AM Author: angry curious selfie yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145739) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:56 AM Author: Dashing primrose space patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145815) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:19 AM Author: coral razzle-dazzle hell War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:30 AM Author: Carnelian Vivacious Keepsake Machete What’s more hilarious is that this “logic fail” is itself a logic fail (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146022) |
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Date: September 21st, 2021 6:51 AM Author: trip kitchen halford To be fair, I only included the word "logic" in the OP because I knew it would bring fuming midwit libs hellbent on proving their smug intelligence on the Internet into the thread. You didn't disappoint. 300 poasts, wow! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43151126) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 5:02 PM Author: boyish son of senegal stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148083) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:37 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Wrinkle Antidepressant Drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43150079) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:35 AM Author: House-broken concupiscible twinkling uncleanness The vaccine shots barely work, which is why we need them constantly. Same with lockdowns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145694) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:55 PM Author: high-end potus Vaccines have saved thousands and thousands of lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146521) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:37 PM Author: House-broken concupiscible twinkling uncleanness Not these ones (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147912) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:44 AM Author: Galvanic black headpube messiness In Australia, if you go to the hospital with COVID and unvaccinated, they put you on a ventilator and kill you. If you go to the hospital with COVID and vaccinated, they give you Ivermectin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145748) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:45 AM Author: angry curious selfie ???
i just heard they banned ivermectin in aus |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:49 AM Author: Galvanic black headpube messiness They're giving it to vaccinated COVID patients (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145771) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:52 AM Author: angry curious selfie link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145786) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:01 AM Author: Galvanic black headpube messiness There was a video posted a few days ago of some whistleblower nurses in Australia saying they're ventilating the unvaxxed to kill them and giving the vaccinated Ivermectin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145842) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:14 AM Author: angry curious selfie dude if you can find that i'd love you forever
TYIA |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:23 AM Author: Narrow-minded plum legal warrant cruise ship Please poast it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145965) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:34 AM Author: electric site hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146038) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:06 PM Author: idiotic dog poop The only source is this video from a nurse in AUS https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/085/405/392/original/918afbd721cf8584.mp4 |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 10:56 AM Author: Dashing primrose space patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145813) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:47 AM Author: ultramarine vigorous point thread goes to shit the moment EPAH and IronRetard show up odd case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146093) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:50 AM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Yeah, it's tough when your circle jerk gets ruined by people who call out your bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146110) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:52 AM Author: ultramarine vigorous point You always post the same shit. There's literally no point in reading anything you write because I know exactly what you're going to say. And you always end up humiliating yourself. But I guess you're doing us a favor by constantly demonstrating how intellectually bankrupt your whole position is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146114) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:02 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy If only you could read what I say, and show why is is wrong/flawed/etc.
I guess we'd all be too blinded by your brilliance if you did that. Probably best for you to keep talking shit without backing it up. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: angry curious selfie hey, what do you think about that India story about that one province eliminating COVID due to ivermectin? crazy story, huh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146130) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:03 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Haven't heard of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146191) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:28 PM Author: angry curious selfie i bumped it for ya
take a look! kooky reading! |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:35 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy I mean, it's a short article in an Indian newspaper. Encouraging and a good reason to do more study on use of Ivermectin, but not exactly groundbreaking. I mean, imagine if you gave the the same type of credulity to every pro-vax story printed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146399) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:42 PM Author: high-end potus "I mean, imagine if you gave the the same type of credulity to every pro-vax story printed."
India's science beat in journalism has a poor track record for gatekeeping work on quackery. I still remember when Indian newspapers reported that red rain was from an unknown space alien that had penetrated our atmosphere. (It was from a terrestrial airborne fungal spore.)
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Date: September 21st, 2021 5:04 PM Author: Red provocative public bath You don’t give the same credibility to the groupthink articles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43154070) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2021 9:51 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy I don't give much credence to any news articles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43167558) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: Avocado theater stage black woman Crazy how mentally ill cuckolds seem to love the vax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146124) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:56 AM Author: ultramarine vigorous point odd case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146139) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:56 AM Author: Carnelian Vivacious Keepsake Machete "This is a thread where we repeat things we saw on Twitter to each other and then congratulate each other for discovering secret truths that the egghead 'PhDs' are too stupid to recognize." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146138) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:33 PM Author: trip kitchen halford "Those 'scientists' told me castrating my male children wouldn't actually make them women. Who's laughing now!?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146388) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:35 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant also those scientists told me that it's good for my health to jump off a bridge onto the rocks underneath. the science says it's good, but my head says it's bad. i believe in science, so I guess I'll jump, it must be healthy for me! (epah) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146396) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2021 2:30 AM Author: floppy corner PhDs? You mean these guys?
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:01 PM Author: idiotic dog poop Tbf, epah does bring up good points (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146179) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:18 PM Author: Anal lavender box office mediation Vaxing everybody instead of just at risk cohorts is going to both prolong the pandemic and also potentially lead to some kooky variants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146263) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:23 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant it is amazing that before 2019 there was a lot of talk in the scientific community about vaccine/medicine resistant strains of bacteria and viruses. now that's totally gone, and it's totally the opposite now for some reason, viruses and bacteria just totally changed their evolutionary selection overnight, and literal retard bootlicking satanic unthinking libs ITT don't question that AT ALL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146304) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:17 PM Author: vibrant locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147387) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:35 PM Author: high-end potus Vaxxing everyone would shorten the pandemic significantly, if not end it. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:36 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant how so? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146405) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:46 PM Author: trip kitchen halford This whole "pandemic" is a massive societal overreaction to what is, for nearly everyone who gets it, a case of the sniffles, HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146469) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:46 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant anyone who says otherwise is an actual moron or an agent of satan, or both (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146473) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:51 PM Author: high-end potus Vaxxing everyone would shorten the pandemic significantly, if not end it.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:50 PM Author: painfully honest indirect expression pit By the time you got everyone in the world vaxxed-- or even close to it-- we would be on to the next flu variant that is not responsive to the then current vax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146496) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:36 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy I don't understand why getting vaccinated would be more likely to lead to variants. Connect the dots for me there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146406) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:41 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant you are a literal idiot if you don't already understand this. prior to 2019 the entire debate within the medical community was "vaccine resistant viruses/diseases". suddenly in 2019 that flipped for some reason, viruses just decided to operate in the totally opposite way! when you vaccinate someone and they come in contact with a disease, if the disease isn't entirely killed off, the resistant portions are able to spread, thus eliminating the weaker portions of the disease and making the disease more efficient and stronger down the line. that's called evolution! you're getting rid of the weaker portions and leaving the strong portion. then it multiplies, spreads, etc. you believe in evolution, right? well, vaccines speed up evolution in viruses and bacteria! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146433) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:12 PM Author: Buff electric furnace skinny woman Resistance to small molecule antibiotics/antivirals is certainly a thing, but I'm not really sure how a vaccine is going to select for resistant strains anymore than natural immunity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146625) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:17 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy "when you vaccinate someone and they come in contact with a disease, if the disease isn't entirely killed off, the resistant portions are able to spread, thus eliminating the weaker portions of the disease and making the disease more efficient and stronger down the line."
Talking about this in terms of "portions" is not helpful. Every time the virus replicates, there is a chance it replicates with a mutation. With every mutation, there is a chance it makes it more transmissible, or more virulent (rarely both).
All the evidence I've seen indicates that a virus is going to replicate *fewer* times in a vaccinated person versus an unvaccinated person, so there will be *fewer* mutations generated than if that person were unvaccinated.
The vaccine resisant mutations (or anti-biotic mutations, or what have you) do not develop *because* of vaccines. That is an ass-backwards understanding of evolution. The *other* variations die out *because of* vaccines (or anti-biotics). You haven't explained why we would get *more* variants or more variants of concern with higher vaccination rates. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:21 PM Author: trip kitchen halford time to grow a beard dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146661) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:41 PM Author: high-end potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146741) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:42 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant Vaccines select for stronger variations while eliminating the weaker ones. Somehow, this proves the opposite. - you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146746) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:45 PM Author: high-end potus Please read more carefully, and read the complete poast.
"All the evidence I've seen indicates that a virus is going to replicate *fewer* times in a vaccinated person versus an unvaccinated person, so there will be *fewer* mutations generated than if that person were unvaccinated." |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:50 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant Irrelevant. They're called vaccine/anti biotic resistant diseases in the first place. It's in the name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146789) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:56 PM Author: high-end potus It's quite relevant.
And Iron is correct AFAICT that you are going to get more mutations in an unvaxxed person than in a vaxxed person. You are just going to have a better biological environment for mutations developing in a body that doesn't already have vaccine-induced keys for keeping the reproduction of the virus down in general.
I will say that as a layperson it certainly seems plausible to me to suggest that you will also get dangerous mutations somewhere, somehow, in some individual who has been vaxxed, and at least a few of those will be very powerful, overwhelming the vax-induced antigens. But that doesn't mean that a mutation enhancing its transmissibility will happen at the same time as it enhances its virulence--that's pretty unlikely, apparently.
I think the odds favor Iron's viewpoint significantly, although I will agree that I don't KNOW this to be true--it only seems more plausible than the alternative. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:00 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant So you don't know anything. Got it. Guess all pre 2020 vaccine research just changed overnight. Lmao! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146829) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:04 PM Author: high-end potus Do you believe that vaccinated people are causing covid mutations more than unvaccinated people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146849) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:07 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant number of mutations/variations is irrelevant. everyone knows that absent vaccines, viruses tend to weaken over time so that they can spread further. there can be a billion variations that all do nothing and therefore don't matter. the science is settled on this. vaccines, however, disrupt this natural path and encourage stronger mutations to occur. the science is also settled on this. pre 2020, it was consensus to resist the use of meds in cases where they might be convenient but are not necessary. glad you agree with me and also concede that you in fact know nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146863) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:15 PM Author: high-end potus I dont think you know what irrelevant means. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146908) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:17 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant you have not responded to anything and therefore have conceded. thansk! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146931) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:27 PM Author: high-end potus You seem keen to change the subject. But:
"All the evidence I've seen indicates that a virus is going to replicate *fewer* times in a vaccinated person versus an unvaccinated person, so there will be *fewer* mutations generated than if that person were unvaccinated."
This does not get you to the idea that vaccinated people are causing mutations of the virus more than unvaccinated. The breeding grounds are significantly smaller in the unvaccinated, for a start, and this would contradict the idea that vaccinated people are breeding mutated superbugs by virtue of being vaccinated. You have to have lots of breeding to start, before you even get to the possibility of a mutation.
If the breeding is dampened significantly in a body as a result of the vaccine, then there are not as many mutations taking place as in a body without the vaccine. Get it? |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:28 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant again, you have not responded to the subject of the debate and you fundamentally misunderstand science. you have conceded. good day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147004) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:32 PM Author: high-end potus You continue not to understand the point that was made. It's clear upon review of this subthread. I can't make it any clearer for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147027) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:33 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant again, you have not responded to the subject of the debate and you fundamentally misunderstand science. you have conceded. good day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147045) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:21 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy "Stronger" and "weaker" is a stupid way to describe mutations.
I don't think you are understaning (or really trying to understand) the mechanisms at work.
I am genuinely interested in an explanation as to why more vaccinated people would result in more, or more concerning, variants, but "vaccines = stronger virus" isn't an explanation. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:26 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant ok, i'll explain it again. before 2020, the consensus was to avoid using antiobiotics etc. when not necessary. you could even fire up google and see articles from the past decade that talk about the coming vaccine resistant plagues. the mechanism is that vaccines (especially relevant now that there are breakthrough covid cases!) select for stronger mutations that survive vaccine protection, per cdc definitions. an example: you have 100 people, all vaccinated, all are exposed to some disease. 95 people are fine, 5 have breakthrough cases. the vaccine "eliminated" all the weak strains, leaving only the 5 stronger strains left. repeat ad infinitum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146986) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:30 PM Author: high-end potus You've missed the point. For starters, corona is a virus and not a bacteria.
Second, please research what transmissibility and virulence mean. These factors rarely mutate in tandem in viruses. That's precisely the point. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:32 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant you have actually not responded to the substance of the argument and instead decided to nitpick. thanks for not understanding science. when the fuck did this place get filled with such prole low iq trash like yourself? go to college you prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147033) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:35 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy You keep using these "weak" and "strong" words that don't make sense in context, so his point about virulence and transmissibility is pretty relevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147060) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:34 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Ok, I think we are getting somewhere.
So, let's take your example. 100 vaccinated people get exposed, 95 fight off no problem and don't spread it to anyone, and 5 can't fight it off (we are presuming it's because of some pre-existing mutation that makes it vaccine resistant, I guess?), and spread it. You've got fewer cases of Covid going around, but it's 100% the vaccine-resistant variety.
So what's the alternative? Without vaccination, all 100 of those people are spreading the strains they got, including the 5 people who got the vaccine-resistant variety. Why is that better? |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:36 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant how could it be vaccine resistant if it has no exposure to the vaccine? the vaccines force the virus to mutate. virus meets vaccine -> mutates to resist it. now all the vaccines are useless and we have a MORE VIRULENT or TRANSMISSIBLE strain that has found a mutation to get around the vaccine. lmao. same principle as described in all scientific literature pre 2020. the science is settled on this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147069) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:43 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy "how could it be vaccine resistant if it has no exposure to the vaccine? the vaccines force the virus to mutate. virus meets vaccine -> mutates to resist it."
Ok. I *thought* this was your fundamental misunderstanding, and it's good that you confirmed it. THAT IS NOT HOW EVOLUTION WORKS.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:44 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant (guy who hates science and thinks some magical sky fairy created humans)
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/
They then infected all the birds with strains of Marek’s that varied in how virulent — as in how dangerous and infectious — they were. The team found that, over the course of their lives, the unvaccinated birds shed far more of the least virulent strains into the environment, whereas the vaccinated birds shed far more of the most virulent strains. The findings suggest that the Marek’s vaccine encourages more dangerous viruses to proliferate. This increased virulence might then give the viruses the means to overcome birds’ vaccine-primed immune responses and sicken vaccinated flocks.
Immunization is also making once-rare or nonexistent genetic variants of pathogens more prevalent, presumably because vaccine-primed antibodies can’t as easily recognize and attack shape-shifters that look different from vaccine strains. And vaccines being developed against some of the world’s wilier pathogens — malaria, HIV, anthrax — are based on strategies that could, according to evolutionary models and lab experiments, encourage pathogens to become even more dangerous.
you are done here. please, go to college you prole |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:50 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy What you just quoted has nothing to do with how mutations arise (and it's a good example of why understanding the terminology like "virulence" is important to having a productive conversation).
Attention-seeking headlines aimed at lay readers aside, vaccines, antibiotics, etc. do not "push" viruses or bacteria to change. Rather, like all evolutionary pressures, they create environments where naturally-occurring mutations thrive or do not thrive.
I will read the article more fully, though, as it might have a more cogent explanation you haven't provided.
Edit:
Ok, I read the article.
First, like most articles for a widespread audience, it's kind of shitty on presenting actual data.
If you haven't learned to be skeptical of sentences from journalists like "Worse, in recent decades, the virus has become more deadly," without any data to back it up, you probably need to recalibrate your bullshit detector.
Second, the author misuses terms with defined meanings, like "virulent," which she defines to mean "how dangerous and infectious" a virus is. Being more virulent does *not* mean being more "infectious." There is usually an *inverse* relationship between virulence and how infectious (or easily transmissible) a virus is.
Now, if you actually read the PLOS paper the article is based on, it posits a reasonable hypothesis: Highly virulent (i.e., deadly) strains typically die out because they kill their hosts, but vaccines that prevent death (but not infection) could result in hosts spreading those virulent strains more.
Yet, neither that PLOS paper nor the Quanta article compare a high-vaccination-rate scenario to a no- or low-vaccination-rate scenario.
Also, the PLOS paper doesn't deal at all with "vaccine-resistant" strains. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:53 PM Author: high-end potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147191) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:53 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant you're 100% correct. vaccines create environments where vaccine resistant mutations thrive, as described in that article. thanks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147192) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:05 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy They can create scenarios where *only* vaccine resistant mutations thrive, but not moreso than those mutations would have thrived in the absence of vaccines (unless you've got some new theory/information on that front). Does that make sense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147277) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:06 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant They can create scenarios where *only* vaccine resistant mutations thrive
that's pretty bad, no? |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:08 PM Author: high-end potus Not if they are LESS virulent! LESS Transmissible! JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147307) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:09 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant i agree. they're just vaccine resistant. then when they do become MORE virulent or MORE transmissible, oops I guess! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147322) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:11 PM Author: high-end potus In what ways do you expect them to evolve? More likely to kill their host? Or less likely? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147341) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:30 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant why is everyone freaking out about the delta variant? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147506) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:31 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy 1. It's much more easily transmitted, so more people are getting confirmed cases, and...
2. Media loves a good story |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:11 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy At this point, I don't think we have any way of knowing whether any strain that is more vaccine resistant is more or less infectious or more or less virulent than any other strain.
We know Delta is more easily transmitted, but it doesn't appear to be any more virulent (maybe even less?), and it's not really clear if Delta is actually more vaccine resistant in terms of initial infection or severe symptoms. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:09 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Why? Seriously. Why is that worse? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147316) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:10 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant so vaccine resistance disease isn't bad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147326) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:13 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy It depends on the alternative you are comparing it to.
It's certainly worse than a disease that can be 100% eradicated with a widely available vaccine. But that's not the alternative we have. We have an alternative where the same disease is circulating and causing more severe health problems than if people get vaccinated. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:16 PM Author: high-end potus Antivaxxers struggle with nuance and the weighing of multiple factors on scales. As pseudo "libertarians" they also don't have normal levels of empathy and compassion, so when you talk about people dying whom they don't know personally, they don't understand how that is relevant to their decision to vax or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147377) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:24 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy I think that's an uncharitable and overbroad characterization.
It's wise to make public policy based on population-level statistics, not individual tragedies or people you know personally. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:41 PM Author: high-end potus Yeah probably overbroad characterization. But it seems like these types are more in your wheelhouse than mine, so I don't think I'm being especially uncharitable here, just normal human response to this npc.
And I agree that it's wise to follow population level statistics. Which is precisely what antivaxxers are not doing. When it suits them. Or when they can selfishly say they personally are not in harms way. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:07 PM Author: high-end potus It wont make sense to him because he doesn't have the transmissibility/ virulence concept down yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147302) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:52 PM Author: high-end potus See my response below.
Why does this hypothetical as applied to corona virus in any way excuse the taking of a vaccination in your case now? Or in anyone's case?
Isn't this only a response to someone saying that you are selfish and uncaring by not getting the vaccine and decreasing the odds that you will pass the virus on to others? Like, still an attempt to paint yourself as a good guy who doesn't want to create a monster virus unlike all those scientists, physicians, world leaders, epidemiologists and public health officials out there?
But why would any concern in this regard be a "now" problem when the "now" problem is a pandemic/600,000 dead? Serious question. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:43 PM Author: high-end potus Bro. I think the hypothetical assumes that the vaccine resistant version became vaccine resistant earlier, before attacking the current patient, through a mechanism you tried to describe earlier (and which everyone already understands, rest assured). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147119) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:23 PM Author: massive lodge Unless you are 250lb with diabetes and/or over 65 and/or dying from cancer anyway this virus is a joke and you will suffer more from your next case of strep throat. The people who need to lose any sleep over this have way bigger health problems than Covid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146301) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:24 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146312) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:10 PM Author: ultramarine vigorous point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146607) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 12:52 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Bort libs pouring into this thread to defend their crappy vaccines and endless boosters. Sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146503) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:56 PM Author: mauve chad Statistics fail for the antivaxers. I see why you all went into law though - numbers make your heads hurt? The rate at which hospital beds & deaths comes from the antivax retards makes anything except the vaccine statistically irrelevant as an explanation. Seems quant not your thing - just stick to fixing commas dumbasses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146815) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:59 PM Author: high-end potus Good point. But they even fight that. It's not reported properly. Or there are lots of vaxxed who get sick but don't bother with going to the hospital. Or any number of things that, according to boart antivaxxers, completely rounds out the skew you've identified. It's interesting to see dumbs at work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146826) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:02 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Damn thats a fire reddit post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146839) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:05 PM Author: high-end potus I'm sure that seemed like a powerful riposte in your head. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146853) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:15 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Lmao oh what a wordsmith (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146913) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:21 PM Author: electric site hominid It’s not even AntiVax issues man - it’s the fact that there is a huge population that has natural immunity to Covid and they’re being forced to subject themselves to a procedure that could be extremely dangerous for them relative to uninfected people for no quantifiable reason in the US.
Europe and Israel accept natural immunity as being sufficient and equal to vaccination while the US has ignored it completely for the past year and only just now is beginning to begrudgingly acknowledge its equivalency or superiority to vaccines.
Yet even now no significant effort is being made to further study it or scientifically approach the situation on a rational basis like other countries and it’s being left up to people who are facing medical apartheid who are functionally not a “threat” to anyone to aggressively fight for their civil rights which have been unjustifiably stripped away for no reason.
There’s a big difference between people who refuse all vaccines and those who simply do not see a reason to be subjected to one like this that is redundant, which could affect them in a worse way than the broader population. I had chickenpox as a kid so I didn’t get the vaccine.
Another thing that’s absurd is the degree of cross immunity that exists between SARS (and I assume MERS) and Covid-19. People who had SARS are immune to Covid-19 after 17+ years. Think about that for a moment when it comes to durability of immunity.
What’s even worse is that some of these people who recovered would donate blood with natural antibodies to help immunocompromised and older people - but now they’re are demonized by the same people who praised them as heroes.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:24 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy I agree that requiring naturally immune people to get vaccinated is not really justified (although it apparently does confer a benefit).
but too many people on this bort can't seem to disambiguate between "vax good" and "vax bad" and will repeat any bullshit that happens to coincide with the "side" they've chosen. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 1:59 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Libs ITT:
"You need vaccine X to protect against virus Y!"
"But you already have X, so aren't you protected against Y?"
"No, X doesn't work completely. That's why you need it, so we'll all have incomplete protection."
"But that sounds a lot worse than just doing natur-"
"SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!" |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:02 PM Author: high-end potus Again, it's not worse. And again, just because something provides a marked improvement but is not 100% successful doesn't mean that it's no good or shouldn't be implemented. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146842) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:11 PM Author: trip kitchen halford This is a great 95 IQ argument that I've seen made countless times on reddit. "Only us libs can understand the 'nuance' of grey areas, like a woman with a cock!"
I'm afraid, ofc, the data doesn't concur: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
It's not black and white, pumo, it's good and bad, and you're 100% selecting the bad option, likely because you're a Science! loving dullard who craves endless boosters and feeling smugly superior to ppl who rightly point out that this "pandemic" is a farce. We could have achieved the same "marked improvement" by just sliding and letting do and cloistering off/vaxxing our most at-risk pops |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:05 PM Author: mauve chad (dude who knows dick about statistics) Did math make your head hurt and you decided THE LAW was your "passion"? |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:06 PM Author: high-end potus He's not a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146855) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:08 PM Author: mauve chad would bet he's not anything quant either. probably didn't crack 600 on Math SAT too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146868) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:12 PM Author: high-end potus I don't think there's any question about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146887) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:13 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Lmao these pumos are FUMING about me ITT. Enough to make me blush.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:17 PM Author: high-end potus *Laughing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146928) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:19 PM Author: trip kitchen halford I really love that you two are speculating over my SATs, extremely Asian and Loserish of you, please continue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146941) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:15 PM Author: trip kitchen halford God I wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146907) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:12 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Uh oh, we got another pumo stats master over here! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146893) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:18 PM Author: painfully honest indirect expression pit Long thread. Anything in here that supports vax hysteria and what are effectively mandates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146934) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:20 PM Author: idiotic dog poop Epah, IronMonkey, and a quotemo have absolutely PWNED Trumptards ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146946) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:23 PM Author: trip kitchen halford (opposite day pumo) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146966) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:38 PM Author: domesticated crotch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147077) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:33 PM Author: painfully honest indirect expression pit Not what I asked though. I don't care to argue about whether this is a true vaccine or not or whether it helps people who get it avoid serious complications. I want to know how that supports a vax mandate, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147047) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:37 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy That's a matter of political preference. I'm very resistant to any sort of governmental mandate (including indirect mandates where government tells businesses they only get benefits if they "voluntarily" mandate vaccination). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147071) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:05 PM Author: high-end potus I think it's clear from threads like this one that it's going to take a soft mandate of some type to get the vaccine numbers up high enough so the unvaxxed stop dying unnecessarily and we can get rid of masks and other troubles.
But that's where you come from politically and what you think about how irrational dumb smart gullible the average person is. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:16 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy I think we can get rid of a lot of masks and other troubles and let the voluntarily unvaccinated suffer if they decide to do so (although I don't want that to happen).
I'd say the only justification for doing otherwise is if it really looks like hospital beds are going to be in short supply due to a covid outbreak. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:21 PM Author: high-end potus Well, I'd like to do that but it really is an instance where their gross stupidity actually makes everything worse for everyone so purely on a utilitarian basis I would support soft mandates. We aren't smart enough to make it out alive, or to sustain democracy in its current form, as this boart itself shows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147418) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:27 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy It really doesn't make it (much) worse for everyone, though. If you're vaxxed or under 12, your risk of any serious illness is pretty damn low, so WTF do I care if someone wants to risk their own serious illness?
Sure, it's a drain on the overall healthcare system, just like fried chicken and automobiles, but I like fried chicken and automobiles too. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:02 PM Author: high-end potus I think it's worse in the following metrics:
Schools, work, fun stuff all continuing to get cancelled or postponed. Wearing masks everywhere. Shit not running right because there aren't enough workers to do the basic jobs right now. I've said before on here that there's built into these things a degree of irrational response, and we all have to accommodate the irrational response that unfortunately accompanies these retards' constant nonsense.
I also think it's worse in metrics associated with health generally but would like to see data on it.
Basically, the longer these losers drag stuff out the longer we are going to be inconvenienced and troubled by Covid as a society.
If you think that just letting them catch covid and die like morons won't harm the state of our covid response notwithstanding, then I think I can back your view. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:46 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Ok, but "Schools, work, fun stuff all continuing to get cancelled or postponed. Wearing masks everywhere," that's all because of covid *policy*, not because of Covid. The shortage or workers is also more because of covid policies at this point (i.e., benefits) I think.
Well, letting people catch covid isn't going to cause most of the people who catch it to die, but it will impart immunity (at least for a while).
It's true (I think) that vaccination will slow the spread, but if catching covid isn't really all that bad for the vaccinated (I'm sure it sucks for a lot of people, but not crisis level compared to a bad flu year), then I'm fine with people setting their own risk tolerances.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:52 PM Author: high-end potus At this point I would do anything to get over this pandemic.
If it means segregating the nonvaxxers by excluding them from work and travel until they grow up, I have no problem with that. Nor will anyone else, except other moral toddlers.
As for bringing up that this is "covid response" and not "Covid," I mean, sure. People are irrational but we live in society so to some extent we are at the mercy of the irrational. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:54 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy Anything but just treating it like it's over?
There's no guarantee that even a 85% vaccination rate will make it "over."
Once you reduce the risk to reasonable levels for everyone willing to get vaccinated, which I think we've done, I say lift the restrictions.
If it looks like a particular area is going to have full ICUs or something, then I can see a stronger case for imposing restrictions. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:57 PM Author: high-end potus We aren't out of the woods yet, by a long shot, and antivax npcs and society's fully well known but inevitable irrational response to that is part of what's keeping us back.
I suspect a large portion of antivaxxers LIKE the jobless benefits, they LIKE w-f-h, they LIKE the disruption this pandemic has caused, and they want to keep it going. Look at the dumb unemployedmos itt alone. |
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Date: September 21st, 2021 2:35 AM Author: Flickering Self-centered Pocket Flask You're a goddamn fucking moron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43150933) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:28 PM Author: trip kitchen halford (shitlib breathlessly chanting DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS)
Lmao you do understand this virus has a 99%+ survival rate, right? That whole countries have just said "Yeah, nbd" and are totally fine? That old people and unhealthy people unfortunately do get sick from coronaviruses and die, and that this has occurred your entire life, the vast majority of which you didn't support insane Draconian measures in the name of fighting a pandemic that is largely fraud pure fraud for nearly all young + healthy people?
Please tell me you're copying and pasting this stuff from Yahoo Answers or the like. If so, hats off to you good sir, brilliant troll! |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:07 PM Author: high-end potus First, do you agree that failing to get vaccinated makes it more likely that you will pass covid onto someone who will die from it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147751) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:18 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant this begs the question: should you make massive, life altering decisions based on a disease with a 99.95% survival rate for everyone under 65, which also has an average mortality age that's over the overall average for the US, or should you slide and let do, turn the tv off, and go outside? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147818) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:24 PM Author: high-end potus I asked you this question and you refused to answer it. So don't come in here trolling unless you are going to answer the same question now.
Here is the question, for the fifth time:
First, do you agree that failing to get vaccinated makes it more likely that you will pass covid onto someone who will die from it? |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:24 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant thanks for conceding again! as a prole, maybe you should go to college and get educated and learn about science! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147847) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:27 PM Author: high-end potus Okay, you just want to troll and won't dare answer a question because it might show that you aren't one of the good people you normally think of yourself as.
Got it.
And your facts are all wrong, besides. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:28 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant sure, if trolling is presenting you an argument and you not responding to it! (but that's what low iq provincial proles would do)
i'm glad you concede, and nice edits after the fact (that change absolutely nothing and make you look even more prole and provincial, LMAO)! |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:40 PM Author: trip kitchen halford It's not worth it with this particular pumo. He pretends to not understand and peppers you with questions until you have to do something non-Internet related.
I suspect this technique was honed at a TTT or even TTTT law school.
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:41 PM Author: Godawful principal's office immigrant no, there is no way this provincial prole went to an american law school, or any law school at all. he'd at least have a love for diction and rhetoric if that were the case and which is clearly not evident here. zhey seem to get really upset when you call them prole though. must hit close to home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147942) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:06 PM Author: high-end potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147293) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:38 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Reminder: all libs ITT would be 100% against the vaccines if Trump were still president.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/kamala-harris-says-she-wouldnt-trust-a-vaccine-trump-recommended/ar-BB19O9k4 |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 2:44 PM Author: domesticated crotch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147126) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:10 PM Author: ultramarine vigorous point cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147332) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:17 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy I'm not sure which "libs" you're talking about, but I think Kamala Harris is full of shit and libs trying to detract from the success of Operation Warp Speed are full of shit.
I know that might make your head hurt. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:20 PM Author: trip kitchen halford whoa CR friend
Now if only you could reach the DATA-driven conclusion that our hysterical overreaction - including vaccine mandates - to COVID has been an absolute farce, maybe we'd get somewhere! |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:26 PM Author: high-end potus Describe the mandates you are referring to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147462) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:39 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Are you contending that Biden didn't mandate vaccines (or invasive tests, federal employees not eligible) for millions of people or have them lose their livelihoods earlier this month? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147568) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:12 PM Author: high-end potus Describe the mandates you are referencing please.
I am aware of requirements that if you have 100 people or more in your company, vaccinations or weekly testing is required on the federal level.
What other mandates are you referring to?
https://www.cnet.com/health/bidens-new-vaccine-mandates-for-100-million-americans-what-to-know/
Everything in there makes sense and is pretty self-explanatory. I don't see how this wouldn't pass constitutional muster assuming it is written properly either.
I'm really tired of this pandemic. It's hurt me in the bottom line, and with everything that is valuable to me. I'm ready for it to end, and our dum dums at the tail end are keeping that from me. So, good. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:35 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Lmao, oh what a constitutional scholar! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147897) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:29 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy I agree that a *LOT* of covid-related public policy is a total farce. But you don't have to believe that vaccination is bad/risky/ineffective in order to think vaccination mandates are bad public policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147495) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:47 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Like I said in the OP, the vaxxes are effective against certain variants and for a certain amount of time. We should probably give them to old + sick people.
All vaccines carry risks. These ones have become so politicized it is likely the risks are being downplayed. Even remote chances of myocarditis, blood clots, and the like are serious.
It's not that they're "bad." It's that mass vaccination and endless boosters is suboptimal to other directions. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:15 PM Author: high-end potus What risks do you think are being downplayed? How has the vaccine become politicized and who is responsible? Why do you think people will have "endless boosters" or that that will be indicated? What are the other directions? |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:37 PM Author: trip kitchen halford All these questions have been answered multiple times ITT.
I can't help you any more, delusional ESL pumo. Keep living in fear of an overwhelmingly harmless virus and the "unvaccinated" (shudder!), I suppose. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:24 PM Author: high-end potus Not at all. People on here who disagree with you would simply follow the recommendations and practices of their own physicians. Trump had already rendered himself irrelevant anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147443) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:30 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Lmao you would be STAUNCHLY anti-vax if Trump were president. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147508) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:18 PM Author: high-end potus Don't presume to know what I would or wouldn't do. I support the medical consensus and I value expertise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147817) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:36 PM Author: trip kitchen halford Must've been a real headscratcher for you when those same medical experts who told you that you couldn't go to the funeral of a loved one turned around and said that as long as you were screaming into someone's face at an anti-racist riot, the virus wouldn't effect you.
Also, a picture of one of your valued experts here: https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_nbcnews-fp-1024-512,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2017_26/2003491/pgnamed.jpg |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 5:05 PM Author: high-end potus I'm backing away. There's only so much crazy I can process in one day. Good luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148102) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 6:54 PM Author: trip kitchen halford I understand and applaud your decision. After all, this made me feel absolutely insane for several days after I first saw it:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 7:08 PM Author: domesticated crotch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148939) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 7:15 PM Author: Lascivious spot Libs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148976) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:29 PM Author: Glittery lime scourge upon the earth depressive but for our hospitals jam packed with boomers who coughed aids on each other i wouldn't care, but selfish people are selfish and won't do us the favor of staying home to die.
https://www.facebook.com/StateHealthIN/photos/a.395188660531404/4523205771062985/ |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:31 PM Author: trip kitchen halford God, just like in 1984! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147513) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 3:36 PM Author: Glittery lime scourge upon the earth depressive oh sorry i'll let you get back to your circle jerk, i know what a cumslut you are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147557) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:43 PM Author: domesticated crotch Benzo, you know I love you brother, but you're literally homosexual IRL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147955) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 7:47 PM Author: Medicated Citrine Juggernaut Hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43149133) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 4:53 PM Author: House-broken concupiscible twinkling uncleanness This thread should be buried at sea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147999) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 5:02 PM Author: boyish son of senegal stead This is not acceptable under Sharia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148085) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 6:19 PM Author: Topaz Idea He Suggested (XO 2021)
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Date: September 20th, 2021 7:14 PM Author: Bearded chest-beating boltzmann First, let's clear up the notion of a "perfect vaccine". For some reason, people get it into their heads that only a perfect vaccine can be a "vax". It really isn't. Just because something is highly effective doesn't mean it's a perfect vaccine. In fact, it's quite often the opposite.
A perfect vaccine would be the most highly effective treatment possible, for as many people as possible. That is not the case with vaccinating. |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 8:39 PM Author: well-lubricated resort So the vaccine seems to be just a little bit better than some Vitamin C, some moderate exercise twice a week, and a good night's rest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43149440) |
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Date: September 21st, 2021 2:01 PM Author: Big Rehab Really Tough Guy LOL where the hell are you coming up with this nonsense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43152864) |
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Date: September 20th, 2021 11:43 PM Author: laughsome rambunctious abode This is the 15th time this has been said but this time lets poast 300x about it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43150486) |