The logic fail at the heart of the vax hysteria is hilarious
| amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Black roommate | 09/20/21 | | Brass Legal Warrant | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Electric round eye | 09/20/21 | | Plum marvelous business firm | 09/20/21 | | Black roommate | 09/20/21 | | aphrodisiac haunted graveyard | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | aphrodisiac haunted graveyard | 09/20/21 | | Electric round eye | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Electric round eye | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Electric round eye | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | excitant fuchsia ticket booth cuckoldry | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | excitant fuchsia ticket booth cuckoldry | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Brass Legal Warrant | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Electric round eye | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Electric round eye | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Thriller ruddy headpube | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Brindle Station Milk | 09/20/21 | | Harsh national | 09/20/21 | | ocher swollen ape boistinker | 09/20/21 | | Black roommate | 09/20/21 | | Glittery flesh stage gunner | 09/20/21 | | odious theater | 09/20/21 | | Plum marvelous business firm | 09/20/21 | | Brass Legal Warrant | 09/20/21 | | bistre jet-lagged messiness address | 09/20/21 | | Stirring idiot | 09/20/21 | | Razzmatazz hall | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | violent razzle-dazzle feces | 09/20/21 | | Walnut fragrant institution | 09/20/21 | | 180 space mother | 09/20/21 | | doobsian henna azn senate | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Dead narrow-minded indian lodge | 09/20/21 | | cocky blood rage boltzmann | 09/20/21 | | comical stage | 09/20/21 | | spruce concupiscible water buffalo | 09/20/21 | | motley painfully honest hell | 09/20/21 | | exciting up-to-no-good kitty trust fund | 09/20/21 | | Trip buff rehab quadroon | 09/20/21 | | odious theater | 09/20/21 | | Glittery flesh stage gunner | 09/20/21 | | Plum marvelous business firm | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | comical stage | 09/20/21 | | odious theater | 09/20/21 | | Glittery flesh stage gunner | 09/20/21 | | odious theater | 09/20/21 | | Glittery flesh stage gunner | 09/20/21 | | excitant fuchsia ticket booth cuckoldry | 09/20/21 | | coral menage | 09/20/21 | | Brass Legal Warrant | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | unhinged sanctuary | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | mint awkward home pisswyrm | 09/20/21 | | Spectacular olive friendly grandma | 09/20/21 | | aromatic lemon trailer park sandwich | 09/20/21 | | Glittery flesh stage gunner | 09/20/21 | | Black roommate | 09/20/21 | | Stirring idiot | 09/20/21 | | umber high-end temple alpha | 09/20/21 | | Harsh national | 09/20/21 | | ocher swollen ape boistinker | 09/20/21 | | hyperventilating library | 09/20/21 | | outnumbered domesticated theatre | 09/20/21 | | Electric round eye | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/21/21 | | comical stage | 09/20/21 | | Tripping marketing idea gaping | 09/20/21 | | Irradiated dog poop old irish cottage | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Irradiated dog poop old irish cottage | 09/20/21 | | Contagious Crotch | 09/20/21 | | ocher swollen ape boistinker | 09/20/21 | | Contagious Crotch | 09/20/21 | | ocher swollen ape boistinker | 09/20/21 | | Contagious Crotch | 09/20/21 | | ocher swollen ape boistinker | 09/20/21 | | vivacious market clown | 09/20/21 | | 180 space mother | 09/20/21 | | charcoal gaming laptop stag film | 09/20/21 | | hyperventilating library | 09/20/21 | | Black roommate | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Black roommate | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | ocher swollen ape boistinker | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | ocher swollen ape boistinker | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | disrespectful jet coldplay fan point | 09/21/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/23/21 | | Brass Legal Warrant | 09/20/21 | | Black roommate | 09/20/21 | | Electric round eye | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Grizzly abode deer antler | 09/22/21 | | charcoal gaming laptop stag film | 09/20/21 | | nudist canary state | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Harsh national | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Floppy tanning salon hominid | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | aphrodisiac haunted graveyard | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | citrine rebellious kitchen gay wizard | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Black roommate | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | vigorous hospital | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | 180 space mother | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | vigorous hospital | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | vigorous hospital | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Floppy tanning salon hominid | 09/20/21 | | charcoal gaming laptop stag film | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Yellow provocative pit | 09/20/21 | | Floppy tanning salon hominid | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | infuriating queen of the night school cafeteria | 09/21/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | mentally impaired nursing home | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Yellow provocative pit | 09/20/21 | | Black roommate | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Cerebral circlehead | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Yellow provocative pit | 09/20/21 | | Hairraiser Sticky Main People Philosopher-king | 09/20/21 | | Beady-eyed blue dilemma mad-dog skullcap | 09/20/21 | | amethyst therapy | 09/20/21 | | Beady-eyed blue dilemma mad-dog skullcap | 09/20/21 | | Yellow provocative pit | 09/20/21 | | excitant fuchsia ticket booth cuckoldry | 09/20/21 | | Irradiated dog poop old irish cottage | 09/20/21 | | comical stage | 09/20/21 | | vengeful regret | 09/20/21 | | Crusty crackhouse | 09/20/21 | | Curious bronze chapel | 09/20/21 | | Multi-colored elite lodge | 09/21/21 | | exciting up-to-no-good kitty trust fund | 09/20/21 |
Poast new message in this thread
Date: September 20th, 2021 10:09 AM Author: amethyst therapy
"YOU MUST GET VACCINATED UR GONNA KILL US ALL!"
"But you're vaccinated, what do you have to fear?"
"THE VACCINES DON'T ACTUALLY PREVENT YOU FROM SPREADING, CATCHING, OR DYING FROM COVID, BIGOT! THEY JUST MAKE IT LESS LIKELY YOU'LL GET SICK FROM CERTAIN STRAINS FOR A VERY LIMITED TIME!"
"Oh"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145505)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 11:22 AM Author: amethyst therapy
Even if this were true, it necessarily means that the "vaccines" aren't true vaccines, but limited-time therapeutics largely similar to flu shots.
The problem is, ofc, whether this is true or not is debatable. It seems they're effective against some strains for some amount of time. Not really a panacea. In fact, using a mixed-efficacy vaccine may be making things worse by promoting evolution of the virus.
There's good evidence out of Israel that doing nothing - i.e. pursuing widespread natural immunity - would actually be the CR versus leaky vaccines + endless boosters
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145960)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 11:41 AM Author: amethyst therapy
Glad you asked, ardent acolyte of Science!
Generally speaking, pre-2021 getting a vaccine meant you were effectively prevented you from getting the illness it was developed to combat. E.g. the polio vaccine meant you were never getting polio. I.e. a vaccine was a medical treatment that prevented a disease from occurring. This was largely different from yearly proactive treatments like the flu shot, which are always somewhat effective against some strains of a virus, and really more of a therapeutic than an actual vaccine.
Now, to be sure, some vaccines have always required boosters. But these are usually years apart and done out of an abundance of caution. That these COVID "vaccines" need them within 5-6 months due to waning efficacy places them in the same vein as flu shots and should give us a bit of pause.
Of course, the CDC updated the definition of what a vaccine does from prevent disease to produce immunity in 2021, so the definition is officially somewhat muddled:
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1435606845926871041?s=20
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146065)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 11:46 AM Author: Electric round eye
None of that is remotely true.
1. A “vaccine” is an intervention to prime an immune response. A “therapeutic” treats symptoms. The Covid vax does only the former, not the latter.
2. There has never been a vaccine that is 100% effective. Ever.
3. The flu “shot” is a vaccine with much lower effectiveness than the Covid vax and only a literal retarded person would dispute that it’s a vaccine.
Hth
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146088) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 11:56 AM Author: amethyst therapy
It's all true, actually.
I know you have a hard time with established scientific concepts like chromosomes and secondary sex characteristics, but the fact that you can still get, transmit, and die from COVID while under the "protection" of the miracle vax doesn't help any of your points here.
Not a lot of folks checking into the ER with a post-vax "breakthrough" of polio. In fact, none.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146143) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 12:15 PM Author: amethyst therapy
(guy who didn't get all his polio shots)
Look, man, if getting three shots of COVIDvaxx had the same lasting effectiveness as getting three shots of poliovaxx, that would be great. But that isn't the case.
The trajectory is that of the flu shot, with annual (if not more often) shots and seasonal variations in effectiveness. For a rapidly-evolving respiratory illness, this seems like a very poor thing to mandate as necessity.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146255) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 12:20 PM Author: mentally impaired nursing home
lol, no. did you get that from facebook?
there are actually several dozen types of bacterias and viruses that were attributed to "polio", and in fact, once the usage of certain pesticides and chemicals were stopped, polio cases dropped dramatically.
in reality, you get polio by being around poisonous chemicals and not washing your hands.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146280) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 11:46 AM Author: Cerebral circlehead
Everything that you have said here misses the point.
Something can do major good in eliminating a bad outcome but still not eliminate all the bad outcome. That does not mean we don't implement it.
You mention public policy in the above poast, but it's almost like you don't want to understand this concept.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146089) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: amethyst therapy
"Something can do major good in eliminating a bad outcome but still not eliminate all the bad outcome."
The lib brain, folks.
It's like they willfully refuse to acknowledge there were other options besides crappy vaccines and forced mandates. Like, you know, doing nothing and developing natural herd immunity, the best of all outcomes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146101) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 12:10 PM Author: amethyst therapy
No, I have trouble with lib concepts like man in dress = woman, not with your midwit "It's not just black and white, man!" arguments, which I believe I last heard sometime in junior high.
It's really simple, libs, there is another course of action we could pursue besides social hysteria over a virus with a 99%+ survival rate, crappy vaccines, and insane mask wearing ghost dances. We could just accept this virus as a fact of life, pursue natural immunity, and perhaps cloister the most at risk populations. This is the best outcome with the least amount of societal wreckage.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146236) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 11:47 AM Author: Multi-colored elite lodge
"are not widespread against all variants"
citation needed
"temporary in nature"
Like a flu shot? Yeah, so what? All indications are they provide significant benefits for months, and the "oh noes vaccine efficacy is waning" hysteria is mostly media pearl clutching.
"may lead to a worse overall outcome down the road"
Citation needed. The "may" cause the sky to fall. Or they may not. We have actualy good data showing the benefits. Hypothetical dreamed up detriments aren't really a great counterweight.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146094) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 11:47 AM Author: amethyst therapy
LMAO move the goalpoasts further, please.
We've gone from IT'S THE ALL POWERFUL CURE to "yeah so what if they're ineffective after 5-6 months and you need forever boosters, oh and they don't work against diff. variants."
Oh, what a panacea!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146096)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 12:39 PM Author: amethyst therapy
The Israeli data clearly demonstrates that natural immunity is superior, the vaccines have waning effectiveness against new variants, and that you can still get sick and dead from COVID post-vaccination.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146427)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 12:53 PM Author: Multi-colored elite lodge
Yes, the Israel data appears to show natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity (it also shows that natural immunity + one vaccine shot is superior to anything else).
That doesn't mean the vaccines are ineffective or "failing."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146505)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 11:52 AM Author: Cerebral circlehead
Again, still not getting why this is even considered an argument.
Also, FWIW I don't think it was ever held out as a cure.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146113) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
Your safety is assured in the medical context. There are risks to everything associated with medical care.
I presumed it wasn't necessary for me to have to say that. But I recognize that some really dumb folks here are seething ITT because they can't seem to get a win in, so I should have known better.
With that caveat, let me be clear: Your safety from the vaccine is assured.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146272) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 1:38 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
Can you answer or not? Please say what you mean. I'm not a mind reader.
Let's make it easy, and start from the beginning again. Do you agree with this statement:
"You getting the vaccine would reduce the chance that you will spread covid on to someone else."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146717) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 12:51 PM Author: Thriller ruddy headpube
Those are your words, if they have clearly defined meaning please enlighten me. Who's playing games?
The established risks are myocarditis, etc. that the CDC has admitted. I'd wager there are additional risks but I don't know what they are. I haven't seen any clear explanation of the VAERS data for starters. Frankly I see no benefit to getting this vaccine so the burden of proof is on those who want me to get it to provide evidence. They'd be better served providing informed consent of the risks than parroting "safe and effective" propaganda.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146498)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 12:54 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
What is the risk of developing myocarditis as a result a vaccination.
What is the risk of developing myocarditis as a result of Covid?
Answer these questions and you will have your answer. I am not saying you can understand it, but at least you might be more circumspect about spreading lies on the topic.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146511)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 1:08 PM Author: Thriller ruddy headpube
Personally I would assume my risk is higher with the vaccine vs. risk of catching covid and developing myocarditis, but I'm open to seeing evidence to the contrary.
For those without prior infection or vaccine it's a good point and worth explaining with clear data.
If you think you haven't spread lies on this topic you are delusional and beyond help.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146597) |
Date: September 20th, 2021 10:11 AM Author: Brindle Station Milk
“If it doesn’t prevent spreading or getting covid, why is everyone forced to get it?”
“Get the fucking jab!!!!”
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145513) |
Date: September 20th, 2021 10:16 AM Author: Trip buff rehab quadroon
It's a probability thing.
Wearing a seatbelt is actually a pretty good analogy. Doesn't make a fatal or injurious crash impossible, but certainly makes it less likely.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145544) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 10:24 AM Author: amethyst therapy
If I don't wear my seat belt and you do, that doesn't harm you at all.
Vaccine nutjobs are essentially claiming that me "not wearing a seat belt" DOES hurt you, and the reason it hurts you is because the "vaccines" aren't actual vaccines, just limited-time therapeutics of questionable efficacy against emergent strains.
The seat belt analogy is SPS for a variety of other reasons, as poasters above have pointed out.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43145601) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 12:42 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
"I mean, imagine if you gave the the same type of credulity to every pro-vax story printed."
India's science beat in journalism has a poor track record for gatekeeping work on quackery. I still remember when Indian newspapers reported that red rain was from an unknown space alien that had penetrated our atmosphere. (It was from a terrestrial airborne fungal spore.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146440)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 1:17 PM Author: Multi-colored elite lodge
"when you vaccinate someone and they come in contact with a disease, if the disease isn't entirely killed off, the resistant portions are able to spread, thus eliminating the weaker portions of the disease and making the disease more efficient and stronger down the line."
Talking about this in terms of "portions" is not helpful. Every time the virus replicates, there is a chance it replicates with a mutation. With every mutation, there is a chance it makes it more transmissible, or more virulent (rarely both).
All the evidence I've seen indicates that a virus is going to replicate *fewer* times in a vaccinated person versus an unvaccinated person, so there will be *fewer* mutations generated than if that person were unvaccinated.
The vaccine resisant mutations (or anti-biotic mutations, or what have you) do not develop *because* of vaccines. That is an ass-backwards understanding of evolution. The *other* variations die out *because of* vaccines (or anti-biotics). You haven't explained why we would get *more* variants or more variants of concern with higher vaccination rates.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146644) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 1:56 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
It's quite relevant.
And Iron is correct AFAICT that you are going to get more mutations in an unvaxxed person than in a vaxxed person. You are just going to have a better biological environment for mutations developing in a body that doesn't already have vaccine-induced keys for keeping the reproduction of the virus down in general.
I will say that as a layperson it certainly seems plausible to me to suggest that you will also get dangerous mutations somewhere, somehow, in some individual who has been vaxxed, and at least a few of those will be very powerful, overwhelming the vax-induced antigens. But that doesn't mean that a mutation enhancing its transmissibility will happen at the same time as it enhances its virulence--that's pretty unlikely, apparently.
I think the odds favor Iron's viewpoint significantly, although I will agree that I don't KNOW this to be true--it only seems more plausible than the alternative.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146814) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 2:27 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
You seem keen to change the subject. But:
"All the evidence I've seen indicates that a virus is going to replicate *fewer* times in a vaccinated person versus an unvaccinated person, so there will be *fewer* mutations generated than if that person were unvaccinated."
This does not get you to the idea that vaccinated people are causing mutations of the virus more than unvaccinated. The breeding grounds are significantly smaller in the unvaccinated, for a start, and this would contradict the idea that vaccinated people are breeding mutated superbugs by virtue of being vaccinated. You have to have lots of breeding to start, before you even get to the possibility of a mutation.
If the breeding is dampened significantly in a body as a result of the vaccine, then there are not as many mutations taking place as in a body without the vaccine. Get it?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146989) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 2:21 PM Author: Multi-colored elite lodge
"Stronger" and "weaker" is a stupid way to describe mutations.
I don't think you are understaning (or really trying to understand) the mechanisms at work.
I am genuinely interested in an explanation as to why more vaccinated people would result in more, or more concerning, variants, but "vaccines = stronger virus" isn't an explanation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146953) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 2:34 PM Author: Multi-colored elite lodge
Ok, I think we are getting somewhere.
So, let's take your example. 100 vaccinated people get exposed, 95 fight off no problem and don't spread it to anyone, and 5 can't fight it off (we are presuming it's because of some pre-existing mutation that makes it vaccine resistant, I guess?), and spread it. You've got fewer cases of Covid going around, but it's 100% the vaccine-resistant variety.
So what's the alternative? Without vaccination, all 100 of those people are spreading the strains they got, including the 5 people who got the vaccine-resistant variety. Why is that better?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147053) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 2:43 PM Author: Multi-colored elite lodge
"how could it be vaccine resistant if it has no exposure to the vaccine? the vaccines force the virus to mutate. virus meets vaccine -> mutates to resist it."
Ok. I *thought* this was your fundamental misunderstanding, and it's good that you confirmed it. THAT IS NOT HOW EVOLUTION WORKS.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147114)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 2:44 PM Author: mentally impaired nursing home
(guy who hates science and thinks some magical sky fairy created humans)
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/
They then infected all the birds with strains of Marek’s that varied in how virulent — as in how dangerous and infectious — they were. The team found that, over the course of their lives, the unvaccinated birds shed far more of the least virulent strains into the environment, whereas the vaccinated birds shed far more of the most virulent strains. The findings suggest that the Marek’s vaccine encourages more dangerous viruses to proliferate. This increased virulence might then give the viruses the means to overcome birds’ vaccine-primed immune responses and sicken vaccinated flocks.
Immunization is also making once-rare or nonexistent genetic variants of pathogens more prevalent, presumably because vaccine-primed antibodies can’t as easily recognize and attack shape-shifters that look different from vaccine strains. And vaccines being developed against some of the world’s wilier pathogens — malaria, HIV, anthrax — are based on strategies that could, according to evolutionary models and lab experiments, encourage pathogens to become even more dangerous.
you are done here. please, go to college you prole
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147121) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 2:50 PM Author: Multi-colored elite lodge
What you just quoted has nothing to do with how mutations arise (and it's a good example of why understanding the terminology like "virulence" is important to having a productive conversation).
Attention-seeking headlines aimed at lay readers aside, vaccines, antibiotics, etc. do not "push" viruses or bacteria to change. Rather, like all evolutionary pressures, they create environments where naturally-occurring mutations thrive or do not thrive.
I will read the article more fully, though, as it might have a more cogent explanation you haven't provided.
Edit:
Ok, I read the article.
First, like most articles for a widespread audience, it's kind of shitty on presenting actual data.
If you haven't learned to be skeptical of sentences from journalists like "Worse, in recent decades, the virus has become more deadly," without any data to back it up, you probably need to recalibrate your bullshit detector.
Second, the author misuses terms with defined meanings, like "virulent," which she defines to mean "how dangerous and infectious" a virus is. Being more virulent does *not* mean being more "infectious." There is usually an *inverse* relationship between virulence and how infectious (or easily transmissible) a virus is.
Now, if you actually read the PLOS paper the article is based on, it posits a reasonable hypothesis: Highly virulent (i.e., deadly) strains typically die out because they kill their hosts, but vaccines that prevent death (but not infection) could result in hosts spreading those virulent strains more.
Yet, neither that PLOS paper nor the Quanta article compare a high-vaccination-rate scenario to a no- or low-vaccination-rate scenario.
Also, the PLOS paper doesn't deal at all with "vaccine-resistant" strains.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147170) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 2:52 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
See my response below.
Why does this hypothetical as applied to corona virus in any way excuse the taking of a vaccination in your case now? Or in anyone's case?
Isn't this only a response to someone saying that you are selfish and uncaring by not getting the vaccine and decreasing the odds that you will pass the virus on to others? Like, still an attempt to paint yourself as a good guy who doesn't want to create a monster virus unlike all those scientists, physicians, world leaders, epidemiologists and public health officials out there?
But why would any concern in this regard be a "now" problem when the "now" problem is a pandemic/600,000 dead? Serious question.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147184) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 2:21 PM Author: 180 space mother
It’s not even AntiVax issues man - it’s the fact that there is a huge population that has natural immunity to Covid and they’re being forced to subject themselves to a procedure that could be extremely dangerous for them relative to uninfected people for no quantifiable reason in the US.
Europe and Israel accept natural immunity as being sufficient and equal to vaccination while the US has ignored it completely for the past year and only just now is beginning to begrudgingly acknowledge its equivalency or superiority to vaccines.
Yet even now no significant effort is being made to further study it or scientifically approach the situation on a rational basis like other countries and it’s being left up to people who are facing medical apartheid who are functionally not a “threat” to anyone to aggressively fight for their civil rights which have been unjustifiably stripped away for no reason.
There’s a big difference between people who refuse all vaccines and those who simply do not see a reason to be subjected to one like this that is redundant, which could affect them in a worse way than the broader population. I had chickenpox as a kid so I didn’t get the vaccine.
Another thing that’s absurd is the degree of cross immunity that exists between SARS (and I assume MERS) and Covid-19. People who had SARS are immune to Covid-19 after 17+ years. Think about that for a moment when it comes to durability of immunity.
What’s even worse is that some of these people who recovered would donate blood with natural antibodies to help immunocompromised and older people - but now they’re are demonized by the same people who praised them as heroes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146952)
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 1:59 PM Author: amethyst therapy
Libs ITT:
"You need vaccine X to protect against virus Y!"
"But you already have X, so aren't you protected against Y?"
"No, X doesn't work completely. That's why you need it, so we'll all have incomplete protection."
"But that sounds a lot worse than just doing natur-"
"SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146827) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 2:11 PM Author: amethyst therapy
This is a great 95 IQ argument that I've seen made countless times on reddit. "Only us libs can understand the 'nuance' of grey areas, like a woman with a cock!"
I'm afraid, ofc, the data doesn't concur: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
It's not black and white, pumo, it's good and bad, and you're 100% selecting the bad option, likely because you're a Science! loving dullard who craves endless boosters and feeling smugly superior to ppl who rightly point out that this "pandemic" is a farce. We could have achieved the same "marked improvement" by just sliding and letting do and cloistering off/vaxxing our most at-risk pops
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43146884) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 4:02 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
I think it's worse in the following metrics:
Schools, work, fun stuff all continuing to get cancelled or postponed. Wearing masks everywhere. Shit not running right because there aren't enough workers to do the basic jobs right now. I've said before on here that there's built into these things a degree of irrational response, and we all have to accommodate the irrational response that unfortunately accompanies these retards' constant nonsense.
I also think it's worse in metrics associated with health generally but would like to see data on it.
Basically, the longer these losers drag stuff out the longer we are going to be inconvenienced and troubled by Covid as a society.
If you think that just letting them catch covid and die like morons won't harm the state of our covid response notwithstanding, then I think I can back your view.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147710) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 4:46 PM Author: Multi-colored elite lodge
Ok, but "Schools, work, fun stuff all continuing to get cancelled or postponed. Wearing masks everywhere," that's all because of covid *policy*, not because of Covid. The shortage or workers is also more because of covid policies at this point (i.e., benefits) I think.
Well, letting people catch covid isn't going to cause most of the people who catch it to die, but it will impart immunity (at least for a while).
It's true (I think) that vaccination will slow the spread, but if catching covid isn't really all that bad for the vaccinated (I'm sure it sucks for a lot of people, but not crisis level compared to a bad flu year), then I'm fine with people setting their own risk tolerances.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147968)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 4:52 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
At this point I would do anything to get over this pandemic.
If it means segregating the nonvaxxers by excluding them from work and travel until they grow up, I have no problem with that. Nor will anyone else, except other moral toddlers.
As for bringing up that this is "covid response" and not "Covid," I mean, sure. People are irrational but we live in society so to some extent we are at the mercy of the irrational.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147992) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 4:54 PM Author: Multi-colored elite lodge
Anything but just treating it like it's over?
There's no guarantee that even a 85% vaccination rate will make it "over."
Once you reduce the risk to reasonable levels for everyone willing to get vaccinated, which I think we've done, I say lift the restrictions.
If it looks like a particular area is going to have full ICUs or something, then I can see a stronger case for imposing restrictions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148007) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 3:28 PM Author: amethyst therapy
(shitlib breathlessly chanting DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS)
Lmao you do understand this virus has a 99%+ survival rate, right? That whole countries have just said "Yeah, nbd" and are totally fine? That old people and unhealthy people unfortunately do get sick from coronaviruses and die, and that this has occurred your entire life, the vast majority of which you didn't support insane Draconian measures in the name of fighting a pandemic that is largely fraud pure fraud for nearly all young + healthy people?
Please tell me you're copying and pasting this stuff from Yahoo Answers or the like. If so, hats off to you good sir, brilliant troll!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147487) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 4:24 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
I asked you this question and you refused to answer it. So don't come in here trolling unless you are going to answer the same question now.
Here is the question, for the fifth time:
First, do you agree that failing to get vaccinated makes it more likely that you will pass covid onto someone who will die from it?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147843) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 4:27 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
Okay, you just want to troll and won't dare answer a question because it might show that you aren't one of the good people you normally think of yourself as.
Got it.
And your facts are all wrong, besides.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147856) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 4:40 PM Author: amethyst therapy
It's not worth it with this particular pumo. He pretends to not understand and peppers you with questions until you have to do something non-Internet related.
I suspect this technique was honed at a TTT or even TTTT law school.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147937)
|
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 4:12 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
Describe the mandates you are referencing please.
I am aware of requirements that if you have 100 people or more in your company, vaccinations or weekly testing is required on the federal level.
What other mandates are you referring to?
https://www.cnet.com/health/bidens-new-vaccine-mandates-for-100-million-americans-what-to-know/
Everything in there makes sense and is pretty self-explanatory. I don't see how this wouldn't pass constitutional muster assuming it is written properly either.
I'm really tired of this pandemic. It's hurt me in the bottom line, and with everything that is valuable to me. I'm ready for it to end, and our dum dums at the tail end are keeping that from me. So, good.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147782) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 3:47 PM Author: amethyst therapy
Like I said in the OP, the vaxxes are effective against certain variants and for a certain amount of time. We should probably give them to old + sick people.
All vaccines carry risks. These ones have become so politicized it is likely the risks are being downplayed. Even remote chances of myocarditis, blood clots, and the like are serious.
It's not that they're "bad." It's that mass vaccination and endless boosters is suboptimal to other directions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147604) |
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 4:15 PM Author: Cerebral circlehead
What risks do you think are being downplayed?
How has the vaccine become politicized and who is responsible?
Why do you think people will have "endless boosters" or that that will be indicated?
What are the other directions?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147800) |
Date: September 20th, 2021 3:29 PM Author: Beady-eyed blue dilemma mad-dog skullcap
but for our hospitals jam packed with boomers who coughed aids on each other i wouldn't care, but selfish people are selfish and won't do us the favor of staying home to die.
https://www.facebook.com/StateHealthIN/photos/a.395188660531404/4523205771062985/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43147492) |
Date: September 20th, 2021 6:19 PM Author: vengeful regret
(XO 2021)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148599)
|
Date: September 20th, 2021 7:14 PM Author: Crusty crackhouse
First, let's clear up the notion of a "perfect vaccine". For some reason, people get it into their heads that only a perfect vaccine can be a "vax". It really isn't. Just because something is highly effective doesn't mean it's a perfect vaccine. In fact, it's quite often the opposite.
A perfect vaccine would be the most highly effective treatment possible, for as many people as possible. That is not the case with vaccinating.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4925730&forum_id=2#43148971) |
|
|