The jobs should pay more bc they are hard.

We completely undercut our native population in favor of low income labor for corporations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245179)

so what do u fuking want u dumb moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245421)

>meth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245883)

2) what they really mean is that they will do jobs Americans won't do for $X/hour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245096)

Americans won't because the pay is shit and often less than just being on welfare

importing illegals to work these jobs for shit wages isn't the answer to this problem, shitlib

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245097)

U ppl so stupid, gbti

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245155)

but at least they are mostly just taking in thai fuking prostitutes (aka wives)

Jógvan Skorheim, mayor of Klaksvík: “We knew that this [immigration trend] would be the future”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245731)

They're used to shit hole third world conditions where living in one room home built out of aluminum siding with dirt floors is the norm. So the worst shit hole apartment in the U.S. shared with 5 other people is a major upgrade. Living below the poverty line in the U.S. is the sweet life for them.

They're literally the perfect weapon to tank America and bring about the great reset.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245453)

?????

Fake SSN is always someone who died or moved back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43249166)

That's obviously not the entire picture, but similarly it's just as foolish to pretend that importing millions of slaves into the Empire isn't going to *create* jobs in the sense that there's now enough people with a low enough reservation wage to clean up shit , deliver you hamburgers, fold your clothes even though your're middle class, and so on

They're not "doing jobs Americans won't do" - that may be technically true but weaselly phrasing. They're 'doing jobs americans won't do' because their reservation wage is tragically low - you might find desperate southeast asian whores to suck your dick for $1 - and technically those are "jobs that Americans won't do".... that's not necessarily a *good* thing

In other words - if ~20 million third world underclass get shipped over here overnight - it's obvious that

- there's some proportion that will create jobs that didn't exist because of such low reservation wages - so they will offer to mow your lawn, fold your clothes, deliver your food, work in the back of all kinds of shady places. I'm not saying NO Americans will do these things - but think of it this way, if someone offered to follow you around and be your bitch and do everything for you for $5 a day as your personal assistant, obviously you'll hire that person at $5 but not x.

- there's some proportion that will compete in native labor markets. Regardless of this proportion initially - as they have anchor babies, move up a little, have higher than replacement fertility rates etc, this evolves into greater and greater competition (*ahem* replacement) of natives moving up into competing for truck driver jobs or whatever labor markets were above their parents but not them

The cost to the 2nd type is profound and has been discussed to death what more can we say about it - it's why these cultural attitudes are being nudged and propagandized to shift to viewing immigration differently, to bring in this cheap labor supply and place downwards pressure on wages

The cost to the first type is never discussed because of the disingenuous wording - but essentially people are now offering you all kinds of services you didn't know you needed, making middle class people feel fancy with maids and service people etc.

Is it good to have shitfood delivery at the click of a button? Is it good to have someone else clean up after me? Is it good to create a multiplicity of new attachments and needs which are all *conveniently* designed to allow middle class people to focus more on *their* work because someone is doing their menial house work while they work at their gay tech job?

I mean ffs - I haven't even gone into the cultural issues or the retard math of how it's economically beneficial, SOMEHOW, to have all these people who cost in services and schooling etc fuckloads more than they generate in income or services individually? to educate their kids , the amount of services etc (although they do work hard so this is nothing against them personally obviously)

So if we're wondering if it's a "good" "policy" or not, one of the primary tradeoffs to consider is all the costs you can think of, versus the benefits of cheaper CONSUMING and people doing more shit for MC / UMC people they didn't have done before so that girl bosses can go kickass at their new big important job where they'll be taken seriously

Weird how EVERY fuckin policy has these insanely pro-corporate angles to them if you but scratch the surface huh?

I'll leave off with this Dostoevsky quote that's relevant (because it's _always_ relevant)

That is my view of the monk, and is it false? Is it too proud? Look at the worldly and all who set themselves up above the people of God; has not God's image and His truth been distorted in them? They have science; but in science there is nothing but what is the object of sense. The spiritual world, the higher part of man's being is rejected altogether, dismissed with a sort of triumph, even with hatred. The world has proclaimed the reign of freedom, especially of late, but what do we see in this freedom of theirs? Nothing but slavery and self-destruction! For the world says:

"You have desires and so satisfy them, for you have the same rights as the most rich and powerful. Don't be afraid of satisfying them and even multiply your desires." That is the modern doctrine of the world. In that they see freedom. And what follows from this right of multiplication of desires? In the rich, isolation and spiritual suicide; in the poor, envy and murder; for they have been given rights, but have not been shown the means of satisfying their wants. They maintain that the world is getting more and more united, more and more bound together in brotherly community, as it overcomes distance and sets thoughts flying through the air.

Alas, put no faith in such a bond of union. Interpreting freedom as the multiplication and rapid satisfaction of desires, men distort their own nature, for many senseless and foolish desires and habits and ridiculous fancies are fostered in them. They live only for mutual envy, for luxury and ostentation. To have dinners visits, carriages, rank, and slaves to wait on one is looked upon as a necessity, for which life, honour and human feeling are sacrificed, and men even commit suicide if they are unable to satisfy it. We see the same thing among those who are not rich, while the poor drown their unsatisfied need and their envy in drunkenness. But soon they will drink blood instead of wine, they are being led on to it. I ask you is such a man free? I knew one "champion of freedom" who told me himself that, when he was deprived of tobacco in prison, he was so wretched at the privation that he almost went and betrayed his cause for the sake of getting tobacco again! And such a man says, "I am fighting for the cause of humanity."

How can such a one fight? What is he fit for? He is capable perhaps of some action quickly over, but he cannot hold out long. And it's no wonder that instead of gaining freedom they have sunk into slavery, and instead of serving, the cause of brotherly love and the union of humanity have fallen, on the contrary, into dissension and isolation, as my mysterious visitor and teacher said to me in my youth. And therefore the idea of the service of humanity, of brotherly love and the solidarity of mankind, is more and more dying out in the world, and indeed this idea is sometimes treated with derision. For how can a man shake off his habits? What can become of him if he is in such bondage to the habit of satisfying the innumerable desires he has created for himself? He is isolated, and what concern has he with the rest of humanity? They have succeeded in accumulating a greater mass of objects, but the joy in the world has grown less.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245699)

yeah these Asian whores happily suck BWC for $200-$300

American sugar babies want twice as much!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245828)

In blowjob markets where the Asian blowjob is not a substitute for a white girl blowjob - let's say they're different - allegedly the story is that this influx will allow white girl blowjob givers to specialize, like say practice on their best becky's dad when they were growing up, so immigration increases the marginal product of white girl blow jobs, yada yada yada [*magic*] white girls are now made more productive in their blowjobs by immigration, now native white girls have higher employment and higher wages for blowjobs than before

Important to note: Economists haven't been able to validate even a basic supply and fucking demand relationship in the labor market by lower wages after immigration, wrt labor market research on IMMIGRATION ONLY - that's crazy what a coincidence, must be a really funky labor market [see Mariel boatlift paper and all that bs]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43249338)

“Well they wouldn't be an underclass if racist cons would give them the citizenship they deserve.” The second you make these people citizens, they become eligible for minimum wage and official welfare programs. So you either have to start paying minimum wage anyway, or you have to import MORE immigrants to do the jobs they now don’t need or want to do.

Some pay taxes. But many file for the benefits. They cost vastly more than they pay into the system. Education, medical care, programs like WIC and subsidized housing. The amount of resources they suck up from schools in both money and time on ESL programs alone is huge.

The only way to maintain their supposed benefit is to keep them non-citizens, so the only argument FOR it is that you like having a slave-wage underclass to do your dirty work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245826)

and are simultaneously MAF how they can't afford a house now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245834)

But libs want cheap strawberries and be able to say what good people they are because they vote dem! They can’t be bothered to be concerned with the actual realities of lives of any of the people they magnanimously make decisions on behalf of.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245852)

OTOH - even tho my default is that they're hypocrites on everything, this took me relatively long while to connect just how truly crazy the simultaneity of holding these handful or so of positions really is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43249344)

What I meant was that on this issue in particular (labor, wages, immigration), for some reason it took me a while to see how truly batshit crazy you'd have to be to take these seriously simultaneously together

My default was that their positions are all bs contextual rationalizations for power, and contradictory probly better to use than hypocritical

But there's still a FUCKTON of libs that you work with, socialize with and such that think there's nothing contradictory at all about open borders + high minimum wages etc

To see how disconnected from any sort of intellectual or moral anchor libs are - ie a perfect example of oversocialization, is how fast we saw typical lib positions 10-15 years ago (allegedly) opposing open borders for labor reasons (eg Bernie's "the border is a Kock brothers project"), to within years have their entire software on immigration / border discourse just completely repurposed seemingly overnight without blinking or reflecting...

I think you're right it's not an actual policy-thought being executed in there, it's a purely "maintain my position of being seen as anti-right"

I go back and forth man i dunno - sometimes i see people and i'm like no these are true believers, but then ... The libs I know really well and am close to personally I have seen this in ALL of them - this really , really deep-seated fear and insecurity, which they try to paper over by hiding in their identity, of not being seen as a country / unenlightened immoral white trash hick, and these positions are just fashion items they're wearing to cover that insecurity up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43249408)

"Americans won't do these jobs" only makes sense if it's 1997, we have lost a shitload of shitjobs in the last 20 years.

In practice, wages would probably go up, and faux middle class white collar Losers making $67,500 look at each other like, "wtf is going on? I thought I was middle class. I aced a job interview! Scumbags with 0.9 GPAs make more than me with overtime!" which will be awkward because it will highlight the fact that too many Losers have gone to college and btw we sent various jobs to the East haha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245837)

Fuck the economics of it. I don’t want to live in the 3rd world conditions created by 3rd world people. Period.

My all-American hometown is 80%+ Mexicans now and the physical environment of the place now reflects it. I don’t want to live in Tijuana, I want to live in San Diego. And I sure as hell don’t want to live in Mogadishu or Kabul.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43245911)

If you swapped the populations of Japan and Honduras, then the built environments of those two places would rapidly begin to change. Honduras would look more like Japan, and Japan would look more like Honduras.

I have seen firsthand what happens to a small American town when it is populated by 3rd world peasants. It starts to look like it is populated by 3rd world peasants. Garbage, graffiti, gangs.

Lots of examples if you care to look. Detroit is another good case study. What did it look like before "white flight", and what does it look like after?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43255013)

The classic example is to imagine 2 mothers. Each one stays at home with their kid. Their kids are happy and life is good. Each contributes 0 to GDP.

Now imagine instead each agrees to pay the other mom to watch the kids. Each receives a salary of $50,000 from the other. Each now pays taxes. Instead of bonding with their own child, each is watching a stranger's baby. This whole arrangement is stupid, yet it contributes $100,000 to "GDP".

Same is true with your example. Oh great, you have cheap food delivery, lawncare, and house cleaning. Yet middle class people can't use public schools, the hospitals are overrun with unisnured (which the middle class pays for), housing prices are rising, etc.

So you look around at a place like Los Angeles, and sure the lawns look nice, but you have schools where only 1 in 8 kids is proficient in math or english. Is that really a good society? Wouldn't it be better if Dad's just mowed their lawns and wouldn't have to shell out $40,000 a year just to get their kids educated?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43248818)

meanwhile, you get your roof repaired and a dozen illegals come out and do it. and you KNOW, you KNOW, they are not getting paid a living wage. they are living like roaches 12 people to a house and have no protection from the government or safety nets.

we're all just as complicit with allowing a slave-like underclass of people to exist to serve us as previous generations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4938740&forum_id=2#43254343)