Vaxed wife was hospitalized with covid symptoms.
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Date: January 20th, 2022 11:47 AM Author: Amethyst lodge
She's ok now.
I think we both had covid last week, but we didn't get tested or take off work.
Yesterday she started having bad chest pains. She was afraid her heart was exploding. After all the tests, the doc thinks it was viral inflammation. She's feeling better now.
Another covid hospitalization. The ER was completely empty by the way.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5011859&forum_id=2#43814912) |
Date: January 20th, 2022 11:53 AM Author: White Dead Parlor Skinny Woman
Sorry to hear that man, sounds like she will be ok. Hopefully the inflammation didn't cause permanent damage.
I'd be curious where our "reasonable moderates" are. I've heard all about how COVID risk factors are bad enough for it to be justified for healthy people to vaxx. What happens when all the vaxxed end up getting sick and having similar symptoms? Now you've exposed yourself to the side effects and risks of the vaxx for no discernable benefit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5011859&forum_id=2#43814959) |
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Date: January 20th, 2022 12:10 PM Author: Indigo shaky boiling water
What are you asking? Whether one example of a vaccinated woman having apparent myocarditis after Covid infection means vaccines are worthless? What makes you think "all the vaxxed [will] end up getting sick and having similar symptoms?"
Shit, an unvaccinated 52 year old second cousin of mine died from a second covid infection, that doesn't mean natural immunity is a myth.
You're smarter than that (or so I thought).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5011859&forum_id=2#43815124) |
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Date: January 20th, 2022 1:00 PM Author: White Dead Parlor Skinny Woman
What I am saying is that if we are starting to see an uptick in severe side effects from COVID for the vaxxed (and we are, there is no doubt about it - the vax is failing), then all the careful analysis that you claimed to do comparing COVID and the vax goes out the window.
Take myocarditis as an example that you and I have debated for months now;
Your typical refrain was to try and manufacture an argument that the rates of myocarditis from COVID were higher than from the vax itself. More recently, you might have backpaddled and said they were similar enough but the other benefits of the vax outweigh the risk.
That entire train of thought goes out the window when you have double + often boosted people catching COVID and getting myocarditis, like (potentially) OP's wife and this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOsUUaqTGQY
Now you can expose yourself to myocarditis from the jabs AND you still have at least a decent chance of getting COVID and it causing myocarditis. Great cost-benefit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5011859&forum_id=2#43815564)
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Date: January 20th, 2022 1:35 PM Author: Indigo shaky boiling water
Wait, you're saying there is an uptick in severe Covid symptoms among the vaxxed as part of this Omicron wave? Do you mean in terms of absolute numbers (which would be sort of obvious) or in terms of the proportion of those getting covid (which would be contrary to just about everything I've seem about Omicron)?
As a general point, I don't think changing data means everything goes out the window. I think it means you need to constantly reevaluate data to draw a reasonable conclusion.
"Your typical refrain was to try and manufacture an argument that the rates of myocarditis from COVID were higher than from the vax itself."
I've never said that, or anything close to that.
The data shows that the risk of myocarditis is higher from covid than the vax for some populations (females and males over 40, for example), and higher from the vax than from covid for some populations (males 16-24, for example), and it depends on which vax (risk much higher for Moderna than Pfizer).
You're absolutely right that we need to reevaluate risks/benefits in light of the higher community prevalence of Omicron and lessened protection against infection by Omicron. But I think you're wrong that everything "goes out the window." For example, you need to evaluate whether the rates of myocarditis from covid is the same among vaxxed and unvaxxed taht get covid. I don't know the answer, but saying "one variable is different, I guess nothing we've learned means anything anymore" is stupid.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5011859&forum_id=2#43815746) |
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Date: January 20th, 2022 6:05 PM Author: White Dead Parlor Skinny Woman
lol at you taking this tact now. We have known that the vax doesnt lower infection chances post 4 months for about half a year now. That means that including post-vax COVID infection symptoms should have been part of the cost/benefit analysis ages ago. Yet its funny that guys like you are only now talking about it when the evidence that triple jabbed people can still get COVID, and get adverse events from it, is overwhelming.
Guess what? If you stood by what you just said, you would have to reject your previous stance that the vax makes sense for any healthy person under 70s. Since you would need to rebalance the risks to vax vs. no vax with this not-so-"new" information. Except your not going to do that. Your going to stick to your existing position that some healthy 40 year old man should still get jabbed.
The real intellectually honest response from you would be:
"Given we know the vax has real, and severe, side effects, and its increasingly clear its protection effectiveness is atrocious, I withdraw support for any healthy person under 70 from getting the jab. I would need to see data on vax + infection to resume my support for the jab for those populations that are not at material risk for harm from COVID."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5011859&forum_id=2#43817361) |
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