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Reminder: the framers called it THE freedom of speech
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:22 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke If you think that's insignificant u don't know 1st amendment jurisprudence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527667) |
Date: May 17th, 2022 3:25 PM Author: self-centered arousing shrine enlighten us non lawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527680) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:31 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke Freedom of speech makes it sound like "freedom" is some random variable that can be assigned to various activities. That ends up FALSELY coloring how we think about the freedom of speech, because we end up looking at each type of speech under a separate lens, independent of other types of speech, to determine how much "freedom" we think it should enjoy. We see campaign donations and we assess the "freedom" we think they should enjoy (or not), separate from other forms of speech like posting yard signs.
That's not what the framers meant though. The freedom of speech is an entirely separate freedom of its own. "Freedom" isn't a variable, it's a constant that applies to all things that fall under the category "speech." Our task is not to figure out how much freedom should be applied to any given form of speech, but to map out the contours of the THE freedom that we are applying as universally as possible to all speech. |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:50 PM Author: stimulating insane personal credit line credited and based AS FUCK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527859) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:53 PM Author: self-centered arousing shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527881) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:53 PM Author: self-centered arousing shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527882) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 5:46 PM Author: Orchid school *pulls doctrinal chubby reading that* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528680) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 5:56 PM Author: Carmine fat ankles resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528735) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 6:26 PM Author: know-it-all shitlib property Meh youre dancing around the issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528884) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:27 PM Author: Electric Yellow Place Of Business Business Firm But not the freedom from the consequences... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527695) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:29 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy mother why don't we say the same thing about murder? you're free to murder anyone, but not free from the consequences! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527709) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:35 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke "The freedom of speech" does not include "the freedom to commit murder." See how easy this is when you include the word "the" in your discussion? I'm also being consistent with the actual Constitution in my phrasing here too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527756) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:28 PM Author: hyperventilating state US "freedom of speech" just helps rich kike corporations, as fidel said its freedom of speech for the mega rich elite who control the press
this shld be obvious but goys are really dumb |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:33 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke You think it's gay that commercial speech enjoys 1st amendment protections, I get that. But those same commercial speech protections are the only legal recourse anyone has against the FDA for mRNA fraud right now. A supplement manufacturer could put "COVID vaccine" on their label, invite FDA enforcement, bring a 1st amendment challenge, and have a reasonably good chance of winning. There is at over a decade of very legit scholarship on this. Furthermore even if they lose the publicity could be devastating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527743) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:37 PM Author: hyperventilating state no im saying jews must all die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527770) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:39 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke That's why CSLG should hire me and not u. Never heard me spit one word of anti-semitism, never caught me slippin in any discussion of the law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527778) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:41 PM Author: hyperventilating state whatever nigga (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527803) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:45 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke Seriously dood, I would work with you. You are sitting on a fuckin fortune you aren't tapping. I get that u don't want to do the footwork, that's cool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527828) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:46 PM Author: hyperventilating state nigga, wat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527831) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 4:42 PM Author: onyx hairless sandwich whorehouse great exchange (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528191) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 3:42 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke This is one of my retarded ideas I've tried pursuing but it's a bitch to find people who will get behind it BECAUSE it's a commercial speech avenue. U ain't gettin libs on board with that. If someone else like TSINAH wants to take a run at hit, HMU. I've got the scholarship. Lots of supplement manufacturers in FL. I can hook u up w/ ppl who are legit interested in making this happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44527806) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 4:39 PM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi So you think all laws around false advertising are unconstitutional? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528177) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 4:43 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke No, I mean the government doesn't own the words "safe" and "efficacious." As far as I know I have a first amendment right to use those two words as I see fit. What's the FDA's rationale for saying Pfizer can use those words on its labels but I can't? Also what level of due process am I entitled here, in light of the fact that a fundamental liberty is at stake? What level of scrutiny must we apply to the FDA's actions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528193) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 4:45 PM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi Unless you're selling something that isn't safe or efficacious. This is a fundamental substantiation issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528209) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 4:47 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke Maybe I'm selling Vitamin D and I want to say it's safe and efficacious for preventing COVID. Maybe I want to say it works better than the mRNA vaccines. Legal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528219) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 5:21 PM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi Obviously not.
https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/statutes/covid-19-consumer-protection-act-2021-consolidated-appropriations-act |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 5:41 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke LMAO.
No proper challenge would have been possible in April 2021, that's for sure. The terrain has shifted since then. This article is from 2018 and explains it better than I can:
Supplement manufacturers can seek strict scrutiny now and GET IT. FDA does not want strict scrutiny applied to its decision to approve mRNA. Not right now. Imagine what discovery would look like. You could turn them inside out. |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 11:01 PM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi That might be true with respect to the FDA, but not the FTC or any state UDAP law. If you claim a product can do something, and it can't do that, you don't have a First Amendment defense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44530422) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 11:02 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke Suppose vitamin D can in fact meet the absurdly low threshold for scientific proof already set by these agencies when they let mRNA get special legal protections.
Or in the alternative, suppose it can't, but I want a hearing on the merits and a ruling on that issue. Can I at least get discovery on what other entities have applied for and been granted this speech license? I think strict scrutiny entitles me to that. |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 11:06 PM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi 1) If you can prove Vitamin D effectively treats or prevents Covid, sure. Spoiler: you can't.
2) No, because it's not a matter of a "speech license" and is not something one applies for and is granted. The FTC doesn't grant people licenses for anything. |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 11:11 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke 1) I can "prove" lots of things effectively cure COVID or prevent it from becoming serious with at least the same level of statistical certainty Pfizer can say its drugs do jack shit. I can do it a hell of a lot better than Merck, which had a drug approved that showed NEGATIVE efficacy. If u don't like vitamin D I'll pick studies on nitric oxide, or pretty much whatever the fuck. You'll say they're not RCTs and I'll bring in statisticians to explain why my observational stats are more robust than stats drawn from RCTs conducted to shitty standards, as Pfizer's were. I'll seek discovery and find out just exactly what level of scientific scrutiny Pfizer had to meet to get that speech license.
2. Yes it is. The license is literally called an "authorization" and it authorizes you to advertise your drug to health care providers as "safe" and "effective" for treating COVID. |
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Date: May 18th, 2022 3:29 AM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi 1) No you can't. And you won't get discovery, because there's no such thing as a speech license, and you won't get past the pleadings stage in any event.
2) You realize the FTC is a different thing than the FDA, yes? |
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Date: May 18th, 2022 1:01 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke The FTC defers to the FDA on what's a safe and effective COVID therapy. It doesn't make its own determinations. So does the CDC for that matter. You sound like a clown. You obviously didn't look at the scholarship from 2018 that I just poasted on this exact topic. I can tell you haven't been following Richard Epstein's rants on off label use since ~2011 and you don't show signs of having taken admin law, statistics, or research methods and design.
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Date: May 18th, 2022 1:09 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke Oh, forgot to mention, dipshit pumo: the safety profile of vitamin D (or nitric oxide or whatever) is already established and meets FDA standards. You can already buy nitric oxide boosting supplements. All anyone needs to "prove" is efficacy. What makes you think that can't be done? What makes you think observational data hasn't already been used in precisely this fashion to gain the right to amend the labels of previously approved drugs and supplements? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44532976) |
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Date: May 18th, 2022 8:01 PM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi If it wasn't otherwise obvious from your complete lack of understanding of how false advertising claims work, if you think Vitamin D prevents Covid, you're a fucking retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44535372) |
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Date: May 19th, 2022 10:17 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke You have yet to show you have any understanding of how they work.
And I never said vitamin D does jack shit for COVID. Work on your reading comp, chump. I just said I can put up experts to make the case. |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 2:09 AM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi You're so far from being responsive or coherent in this thread that you're not even wrong, you're just out in space. I hope you find what you're looking for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44542791) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 6:21 AM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke I can tell you aren't even a lawyer, pumo. You hide behind a pumo because you're a dumbfuck shitlib imposter. lmao@ people like you who idolize real lawyers so much you want to imitate them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44543070) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:45 PM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi If you were a lawyer, you would never have made this post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44544332) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:59 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke Yeah bro I'm totally faking it here, like you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44544407) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 1:03 PM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi (real life lawyer talking about "speech licenses") (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44544433) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 4:02 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke Ya got me bro. That was crazytalk. I'm a nonlawyer making fake legal arguments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44545544) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 7:02 PM Author: Disgusting stirring point fanboi I know! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44546403) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 5:42 PM Author: bisexual death wish trust fund talk shit get hit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528655) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 5:44 PM Author: titillating massive forum legend In what ways is the govt restricting speech? No one ever provides examples. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528668) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 5:46 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke It restricts the use of terms like "safe and effective." It does so through a decision making process that meets rational basis test but flunks strict scrutiny. Generally, as a matter of administrative law, when a fundamental right is at stake, you are entitled to strict scrutiny. So at the very least I think the FDA has to be held to a strict scrutiny standard when issuing this particular speech license. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44528678) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:49 PM Author: Abnormal Maniacal Selfie National fuck off upset jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44544347) |
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Date: May 17th, 2022 9:26 PM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke I'll expand on what I think are some characteristics of the freedom of speech.
For one thing, I think there are hierarchies of speech within it. At the upper echelon should be political speech. We should have bat ears tuned to anything that looks like a limit on political speech.
A recent trend was to dress up limits on political speech as "campaign finance reform." There is still compelled speech associated with certain political speech ("I'm X and I approve this message") that has never been challenged. |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 2:32 AM Author: slate stage Many of the framers also went on to pass the alien and sedition acts, one of the harshest attacks on freedom of speech ever legislated. Don’t get too hung up on what they said and wrote. They were the smart guys of their day but far from the demigods that many make them out to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44542816) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 9:31 AM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke I'm getting hung up on what they wrote in the US Constitution. You go worry about other things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44543352) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:55 PM Author: slate stage The point is that the guys who wrote didn't even take it that seriously like 10 years later, lol. So stop fellating these guys and acting like the Constitution is Moses' fucking tablets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44544389) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:50 PM Author: Abnormal Maniacal Selfie National *farts cum* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44544356) |
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Date: May 20th, 2022 6:25 AM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke Look at how triggered shitlib pumos still are when I talk about the freedom of speech. Loser, faggot, nonlawyer pumos who hate the freedom of speech. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44543074) |
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Date: May 21st, 2022 12:02 AM Author: galvanic pontificating yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5111126&forum_id=2#44548012) |