POLL: Did SCOTUS make the right decision in overturning Roe v Wade?
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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:34 PM Author: Contagious orchestra pit goal in life
“Men are inconvenienced by an unwanted pregnancy as well, in the form of 18 years of financial servitude. That doesn’t give men the right to order an abortion.”
To be fair, this was always retarded, at least in places where abortion is legal. It makes no sense that after a man and a woman accidentally conceive an unwanted fetus, the woman can then opt out of 18 years of financial responsibility via an abortion but the man has no way to opt out. Yet that’s the way it has worked under Roe from 1973 to 2022, and will continue to work in post-Roe blue states and in Canada, Europe, Australia, etc.
To be clear, I don’t think men should ever have the right to “order an abortion,” just that child support should be strictly opt-in in countries/states with legal abortion.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735811) |
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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:28 PM Author: Contagious orchestra pit goal in life
"I always hoped that some bro would raise an equal protection challenge to a state’s laws allowing a woman, but not a man, to opt out of financial responsibility."
Someone already tried this (unsuccessfully):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubay_v._Wells
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44739978) |
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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:27 AM Author: french pocket flask hominid
are you one of those self-hating kikes? those might actually be the most mentally fucked.
anyway, why do you think a woman has a right to be a whore? do you think women have a fundamental right to be whores, a right (not privilege) that the highest government of the land is duty bound to protect even in competition with the survival of the whore's own child?
why are you kikes all fucked in the head?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734494) |
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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:38 AM Author: french pocket flask hominid
Moishe,
if you weren't a 5'6 jewfrow, beady eyed, hooked nose, crooked kike, I assure you that you could become intimate with women, without becoming a:
(i) feminist faggot
(ii) porn producer
(iii) sex trafficker
The above (i) through (iii) is just the beginning to a very long list of reasons why every civilization is repulsed by both your physical form and moral influence
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734619) |
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Date: June 29th, 2022 12:46 PM Author: irate odious antidepressant drug corner
rights are sacred:
for men, it's the right to bear arms
for women, it's the right to bear/not to bear children
fair is fair
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44765999) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 8:50 AM Author: irate odious antidepressant drug corner
Take home:
Established and Relied Upon Rights have been trampled upon.
The Establishment Clause has been violated, egregious given the legislative branch now wields power (in this case, to do nothing protecting women's rights) beyond checks and balances.
The legitimacy of the Court has been lost for the first time since Dred Scott.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrFy957l8ko
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44770930)
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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:18 PM Author: white range masturbator
The entire reason we had a divisive abortion debate at all (unlike other countries) is because of Roe. Other countries aren't nearly as polarized.
It imposed a standard that was well beyond anything that existed in the country and was on the radical edge of laws all across the world for decades.
but yes, you are a giant pussy and a huge fag
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737783) |
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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:17 PM Author: lime toaster turdskin
Date: June 24th, 2022 11:40 AM
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republicans were going to dominate midterms and now they're gonna get absolutely crushed. it's not like the country is going to manage to keep the opinion today as law, even if you think it's rightly decided
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734641)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734979) |
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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:34 PM Author: Walnut National
i think you are overestimating the extent to which most people care about abortion.
the people for whom abortion influences how they vote were already going to show up and vote democrat.
people care a lot more about inflation and the economy in general.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735168) |
Date: June 24th, 2022 12:32 PM Author: sapphire market
The net end result is more criminal mud creatures , so no.
But this ruling changes very little on the ground either way
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735142) |
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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:09 PM Author: deranged ivory jew karate
Tsk tsk, it looks like you have a deficient understanding of Marbury v. Madison, too.
In reality pre-Marshall Court was already reviewing statutes, and doing much else besides; Marbury did not alter the nature of judicial review. The historiography of the fable you advert to = Marshall got promoted to bold hero and savior in order to justify the depredatory expansions of the New Deal. See https://brewminate.com/the-supreme-court-before-john-marshall/
* even prior to Marbury, state and federal courts routinely ruled on state legislation’s validity as it regarded judiciary matters (as one example, legislation impacting jury trials)
* the paper summarizes the early case history as focusing on “policing boundaries” between governmental entities with regard to judicial questions
* there was debate about the court’s power to invalidate legislation when there was a plausible argument for constitutionality [EOM]
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735548) |
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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:43 PM Author: histrionic marketing idea nursing home
They craft policy all the time. It's nonsensical to argue otherwise. You think a sentence in the constitution about the right to bear arms gives enough guidance to the Court on whether a particular gun control regulation in 2022 is constitutional or not? Of course not. They concocted a test based on a mix of political and policy preferences and legal doctrines and overrode a state legislature.
I doubt the conservative justices would take the same approach they did to the Second Amendment as the Emoluments Clause. Most would say the Emoluments Clause is dead law and incapable of application in modern times (I would agree). But if you wanted to stick it Trump, you could definitely breathe life into that clause by applying textual analysis and researching its legislative history. You can then concoct a neat little test and say that Trump was in violation.
The Supreme Court is a super-legislature that renders decisions based on a mix of political preferences and legal doctrines. It's true of the liberal and conservative justices.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735944) |
Date: June 24th, 2022 12:43 PM Author: provocative unholy persian
Yes. and LOL @ this tweet from Neal Katyal. What a fucking partisan hack. The right to guns is explicitly in the Constitution; abortion never was. Imagine paying $300K to be taught this ...
https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1539988629585543169
Gonna be very weird if Supreme Court ends a constitutional right to obtain an abortion next week, saying it should be left to the States to decide, right after it just imposed a constitutional right to concealed carry of firearms, saying it cannot be left to the States to decide
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735275) |
Date: June 24th, 2022 2:43 PM Author: Azure Motley Doctorate Principal's Office
Posting from Europe, which has much stricter restrictions on abortion than the US, something the pro rights people always conveniently ignore when they proclaim how enlightened and progressive Europe is.
SC's recent overturn is constitutionally more correct. And this may begin the process of getting people to shut the fuck up about abortion. Blue states will have them, red states will restrict them, everyone gets what they want to some degree.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736563)
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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:00 PM Author: chocolate bisexual place of business
Yes
-obeezy
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736707) |
Date: June 24th, 2022 8:09 PM Author: Flushed roommate lettuce
Why is this a question?
Obviously yes
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44738787) |
Date: June 24th, 2022 9:27 PM Author: Buck-toothed fluffy dopamine
Yes.
To me, these "natural rights" are places where the court takes a moral stand on legally shaky ground to "advance" the nation forward.
Gay marriage is a good example of that - the country was quasi-divided about gay marriage, but we were clearly marching in that direction, so the court just ruled that way and spared us the arguing and division. 5 years later and only like 15% of people oppose gay marriage and they don't even really care.
Contrast that with Roe - 50 years later and the country is more pro life than ever, and people really fucking care. I think the court thought science would show abortion was chill and everyone would accpt it, instead people get an early sonograms and see that the "fetus" looks like a baby...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44739322) |
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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:39 PM Author: Buck-toothed fluffy dopamine
"But it lacked an explanation of what is an abortion? Is the morning after pill protected or not--the decision is unclear."
This shows you lack understanding of the issue.
The decision says there is no constitutional right to an abortion - so it doesn't fucking matter what an abortion is. It is completely irrelevant.
The states are free to go ahead and decide.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740022) |
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Date: June 29th, 2022 11:08 AM Author: Garnet field nibblets
I don't think you follow. Here is my argument:
Question: can the states ban the morning after pill?
Rule: There is no constitutional right to abortion but there is a constitutional right to contraception and fundamental bodily autonomy not affecting an unborn fetus.
Analysis: Is the morning after pill an abortion? No, abortion requires the termination of an unborn fetus. A fertilized ovum or zygote is not a fetus until organs, verterbrate and a brain is formed, generally after 8 weeks. The Constitution confers a fundamental right to contraception and bodily autonomy absent the termination of an unborn fetus. The states cannot ban use of the morning after pill to destroy a fertilized ovum or zygote before it is a fetus at 8 weeks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44765350) |
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Date: June 29th, 2022 1:53 PM Author: Garnet field nibblets
I'm the case overturned Roe, said there is no right to abortion but said other precedents stand because the difference is abortion destroys "fetal life".
Again, if all other cases and law stands except for the right to abort fetal life, you would presume morning after pill is still Constitutionally protected.
I'm saying the decision is really unclear about that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44766402) |
Date: June 25th, 2022 8:31 AM Author: Pearly crawly background story jewess
from a texas tribune article in april:
Prosecutorial discretion
Many abortion rights advocates talk about the “two Americas” that would be created if the Supreme Court allows states to create their own abortion restrictions. About half of all states likely would ban abortion to some degree, according to the Guttmacher Institute.
But even within Texas, there may be two distinct realities. Five Texas district attorneys — from Dallas, Travis, Bexar, Nueces and Fort Bend counties — have publicly promised that they will not pursue abortion-related criminal charges if Roe v. Wade is overturned. Others are expected to quietly decline to take these cases.
Travis County District Attorney José Garza said he does not believe his office should be involved in criminalizing personal medical decisions between a pregnant person and their doctor.
“We are very focused on holding accountable people who commit acts of violence in our community,” he said. “Pulling resources away from that to focus on this kind of case would be reckless and endanger the safety of our community.”
In other jurisdictions, though, district attorneys may take an opposite approach, either due to personal anti-abortion leanings or political pressure.
Owen, who authored a report on abortion-related criminalization, said there’s a useful foreshadowing in how voter fraud cases have played out in recent years.
“These cases don’t get prosecuted evenly across the state,” she said. “They get prosecuted selectively, often in counties where there’s a district attorney’s race going on. … It’s really up to the discretion of the particular district attorney.”
Prosecutorial discretion gives district attorneys a lot of power in their own jurisdiction — power to take cases or not, to decide what charges to present and to choose how to frame evidence to the grand jury.
There’s not much oversight of how prosecutors wield that discretion, said Charles “Rocky” Rhodes, a professor at South Texas College of Law Houston.
“Except that there’s always political checks on them for failing to prosecute crimes that their citizens want prosecuted,” he said. “That’s how you get defeated next time you run for district attorney.”
But state Rep. Briscoe Cain, R-Deer Park, is planning to introduce legislation that could radically change that balance of power.
In a letter sent to abortion-funding nonprofits last month, Cain said he intends to introduce legislation that would allow district attorneys to prosecute abortion-related cases outside their home jurisdiction “when the local district attorney fails or refuses to do so.”
Garza, the Travis County district attorney, said Cain’s statements don’t change his thinking on these cases.
“All I can say is that the courts and the state constitution have been very clear that elected district attorneys have sole criminal jurisdictions in their community,” he said.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44741137) |
Date: June 25th, 2022 8:37 AM Author: Pearly crawly background story jewess
the big city DA's are not gonna prosecute:
A group of 83 prosecutors — including those in states where a “trigger ban” will take effect after Roe v. Wade was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court — said they will not file charges against women seeking abortions and medical professionals who provide the procedures.
The prosecutors, along with the nonprofit group Fair and Just Prosecution, released the joint statement hours after the Supreme Court made its decision on Friday to overturn the landmark decision and restrict abortions in 26 states.
“Not all of us agree on a personal or moral level on the issue of abortion,” according to the joint statement released by the 83 prosecutors. “But we stand together in our firm belief that prosecutors have a responsibility to refrain from using limited criminal legal system resources to criminalize personal medical decisions. As such, we decline to use our offices’ resources to criminalize reproductive health decisions and commit to exercise our well-settled discretion and refrain from prosecuting those who seek, provide, or support abortions.”
Roe v Wade protest
Prosecutors across the country pledged not to prosecute women seeking abortion or abortion providers following the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
AP
Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald
Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald was one of six signers of the pledge from Michigan.
AP
Jose Garza
Texas Travis County District Attorney José Garza signed the pledge despite serving in a state with a “trigger law.”
AP
The prosecutors emphasized how the ban would disproportionately harm victims of human trafficking, rape, incest and domestic violence and force women to carry an unwanted pregnancy.
They added criminalizing abortion not only would end safe abortions, but also would impede medical professionals and law enforcement from performing their jobs and protecting victims.
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Houston clinic suspending abortions amid overturning of Roe v. Wade
Among the group of prosecutors who signed the pledge include Travis County District Attorney José Garza in Texas, who urged women to continue to seek medical help.
Texas is among 13 states that would automatically ban abortion in the first and second trimesters within 30 days of the Supreme Court’s decision.
“While I am aware that our state’s ‘trigger law’ goes into effect in 30 days, making performing an abortion a felony, I will not force women into the shadows, especially when they need life-saving medical care,” Garza said in a statement. “No matter what the law says, I implore you: please, seek medical help if you need it. A prosecutor’s job is to protect public safety, and to enforce this law will not only fail to promote or protect public safety but will also lead to more harm.”
Six prosecutors in Michigan– Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy, Ingham County Prosecutor Carol Siemon, Marquette County Prosecutor Matthew Wiese, Washtenaw County Prosecutor Eli Savit, Kalamazoo County Prosecutor Jeffrey Getting and Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton– also signed the pledge.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44741148)
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