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My blood lipid numbers after 7 weeks on a low fat vegan diet

Total cholesterol went from 195 to 139. LDL went from 112 ...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
It's not 1999. Get your Apo-B or LDL-P measured. Wh...
Magical nighttime stead regret
  06/25/22
Cr
Seedy mexican dingle berry
  06/25/22
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-38461-y
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/24/22
Your fucked bro but I’ll let you find out the hard way...
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/24/22
You’re fucking retarded I went from having to go on ...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
Your response just further reinforces how ignorant you are a...
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/24/22
Oh look, a cholesterol denialist, mom!
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
Like I said, go learn the hard way, I don’t care.
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/24/22
Autoadmit, a den of retards that thinks having high choleste...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
Nice midwit response. Never said anything of the sort. Go en...
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/24/22
BMI is 24 You?
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
Lol man keep on losing weight breh! Eventually you might los...
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/24/22
So I’m lying about my BMI? Lol okay dude 👍
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
post a pic topless if you do I will big boi! hold a si...
mauve queen of the night public bath
  06/25/22
poast your LDL numbers
Sable Naked Menage
  06/25/22
...
internet-worthy corner
  06/25/22
low cholesterole = increased mortality fyi
Duck-like Mustard Step-uncle's House Pocket Flask
  06/24/22
I guess if you were a retard who didn’t understand con...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
You’re saying the study linked above didn’t cont...
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/24/22
Did it control for people on statins with already advanced a...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
Go read it and tell me.
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/24/22
nah ding bro plenty of new studies showing having slightl...
Duck-like Mustard Step-uncle's House Pocket Flask
  06/24/22
And these studies are flawed and retarded. See below. Any ...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
maybe, but any reputable cardiologist in American would tell...
mauve queen of the night public bath
  06/25/22
no cardiologist would say that lmao wtf
Sable Naked Menage
  06/25/22
cardiologists die at like 56 on average
Duck-like Mustard Step-uncle's House Pocket Flask
  06/25/22
First of all I really am enjoying you posting your numbers a...
mauve queen of the night public bath
  06/24/22
the normal reference range is 4.8 - 5.6, so I don't see how ...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
But as the poasters above are trying to tell you, you are fu...
mauve queen of the night public bath
  06/24/22
In the spline analysis (Fig. 4, Supplementary Fig. 2), the T...
mauve queen of the night public bath
  06/24/22
so what are you trying to say?
Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig
  06/25/22
all it looks like they controlled for was smoking, drinking,...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/24/22
please clarify ur argument
Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig
  06/25/22
Lmfao you have really swallowed the kool aid and are refusin...
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/25/22
lol what, retard? Everyone knows HDL is good for you and a p...
flatulent juggernaut
  06/25/22
someone explain what's going on here? I'd love to lose weig...
Boyish alpha
  06/25/22
actually meat is about 250 to 350 cals per cup of diced meat...
Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig
  06/25/22
nope whole plant foods are the LEAST calorie dense foods an...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/25/22
also, eating a high fiber diet takes more calories to digest...
Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig
  06/25/22
there's also some indication that the body doesn't even abso...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/25/22
"shit it out quickly" is a non sequitur here but o...
Irradiated Trump Supporter Box Office
  06/25/22
Yeah, shocker, eating pasta and potato chips all day, while ...
flatulent juggernaut
  06/25/22
what specific plants are you eating the most?
Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig
  06/25/22
for me, my diet was centered around oats, beans, nuts, and f...
Sable Naked Menage
  06/25/22
I eat a lot of variety but I'd say the majority of my calori...
flatulent juggernaut
  06/25/22
Now post your testosterone level
internet-worthy corner
  06/25/22
...
Cerebral brilliant becky
  06/25/22
*sad violin explodes*
Seedy mexican dingle berry
  06/25/22
Congrats, hope it works for you.
Spruce floppy tanning salon knife
  06/25/22
180 brother. Ive been fully vegan for over 4 years and will ...
Stirring cerise dilemma
  06/25/22
Great news that your markers have improved and youre excited...
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  06/25/22


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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:27 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

Total cholesterol went from 195 to 139.

LDL went from 112 to 74 (!!!!) - studies show LDL under 70 completely arrests the progression of atherosclerosis

Blood sugars improved despite eating nothing but carbs for 7 weeks. A1C down to 5.1 from 5.2. One argument carnivore tards use is that eating plants causes “inflammation” or insulin resistance or some stupid shit. They’re retards.

This is the optimum diet. Lost weight on it too with no calorie counting or portion control.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737403)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 9:22 AM
Author: Magical nighttime stead regret

It's not 1999.

Get your Apo-B or LDL-P measured.

What's your fibrinogen? CRP? Glucose tolerance test? Triglycerides? Free-test?

What kind of doc are to going to? 99% of PCPs dont know enough about this stuff to give good individualized advice.

The numbers you provided provide literally no useful information unless you're talking on a population level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44741261)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 9:37 AM
Author: Seedy mexican dingle berry

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44741288)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:31 PM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-38461-y

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737425)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:33 PM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky

Your fucked bro but I’ll let you find out the hard way. No sense in arguing about it given your level of ignorance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737451)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:36 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

You’re fucking retarded

I went from having to go on a statin to having the cholesterol of a fit 20 year old in a few weeks by just eating fucking PLANTS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737471)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:38 PM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky

Your response just further reinforces how ignorant you are about cholesterol, nutrition, and overall health. Not going to bother responding further.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737485)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:40 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

Oh look, a cholesterol denialist, mom!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737501)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:43 PM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky

Like I said, go learn the hard way, I don’t care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737531)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:45 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

Autoadmit, a den of retards that thinks having high cholesterol and eating animal fat *protects* against atherosclerosis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737548)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:47 PM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky

Nice midwit response. Never said anything of the sort. Go enjoy being fat and low T with your plant based diet. Btw since you just started dieting for the first time in your life and are obese maybe don’t have the arrogance to think you know everything about diet and nutrition? I actually think you might be flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737561)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:49 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

BMI is 24

You?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737571)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:52 PM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky

Lol man keep on losing weight breh! Eventually you might lose that paunch. What’s your body fat percentage? Not that I expect you to tell me the truth. You seem pretty unhinged lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737593)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:52 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

So I’m lying about my BMI? Lol okay dude 👍

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737603)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 12:47 AM
Author: mauve queen of the night public bath

post a pic topless

if you do I will big boi!

hold a sign saying "Carnivore is 120"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740532)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:22 AM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

poast your LDL numbers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740648)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 4:10 AM
Author: internet-worthy corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740926)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:41 PM
Author: Duck-like Mustard Step-uncle's House Pocket Flask

low cholesterole = increased mortality fyi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737510)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:43 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

I guess if you were a retard who didn’t understand confounding factors you could think this. People dying early with low cholesterol are dying of diseases that cause, or are correlated, with low cholesterol. Like cancer patients on chemo, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737535)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:45 PM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky

You’re saying the study linked above didn’t control for this or had chemo patients participating?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737545)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:46 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

Did it control for people on statins with already advanced atherosclerosis dipshit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737556)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:48 PM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky

Go read it and tell me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737565)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 7:25 PM
Author: Duck-like Mustard Step-uncle's House Pocket Flask

nah ding bro

plenty of new studies showing having slightly higher cholesterol actually decreases mortality and this also destroys your argument here too

like 249 total chol will outlive any other low cholesterol vegan faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44738507)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 7:34 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

And these studies are flawed and retarded. See below.

Any reputable cardiologist in America would put you on a statin if you had a 250 range TC number if it included a high enough LDL. Are you saying the flawed population study you cited with shitty controls would convince them otherwise? LOL

Vegans have lowest all cause mortality of any dietary group, and statin trials show a reduction in mortality compared with placebo controls. Statins lower LDL. LDL is causally related to the development of atherosclerosis. NO ONE in mainstream medicine disputes this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44738553)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 12:45 AM
Author: mauve queen of the night public bath

maybe, but any reputable cardiologist in American would tell you that you're going to die early if your cholesterol is 118.

BTW show me vegans vs carnivores all cause. I'll wait.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740525)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:16 AM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

no cardiologist would say that lmao wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740628)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 4:09 AM
Author: Duck-like Mustard Step-uncle's House Pocket Flask

cardiologists die at like 56 on average

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740924)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:14 PM
Author: mauve queen of the night public bath

First of all I really am enjoying you posting your numbers and we can let the board decided whose diet is more fucked up.

Second off, you didn't poast your fasting triglycerides or fasting glucose? These are critical health metrics. How about blood pressure?

5.1 A1C is pretty shitty dude. In 7 weeks it only went down 0.1? I don't know what I started at but after ~3 months of carnivore I was at 5.3 then at 6 months in I was at 4.8.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737754)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:43 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

the normal reference range is 4.8 - 5.6, so I don't see how 5.1 is "shitty", weird flame

you're close to not even being in a normal range at 4.8. is your diet making you hypoglycemic?

tryglicerides 66 (reference range 0-149)

fasting glucose 92 (down from 99 before vegan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737920)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:22 PM
Author: mauve queen of the night public bath

But as the poasters above are trying to tell you, you are fucking killing yourself. The study shown is the modern gold standard of global cholesterol tracking studies.

This study excluded mobidly obese and super twinks. And no these aren't a bunch of people on statins with heart disease. It's 13 MILLION Koreans (aka NOWAG).

the following variables were adjusted for: age at baseline, sex, smoking status (current smoker, former smoker, never smoker, or missing information), alcohol use frequency, physical activity, systolic blood pressure, fasting glucose and BMI.

Cholesterol plays a vital role in the immune system, cell structure, brain growth etc etc, and you are trying to drive it down to unhealthy levels.

I'll presume you are 35-44. Look how steep the graph rises as you drop cholesterol to the numbers you are posting.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-38461-y/figures/3

Conclusion - You are 2.8 times more likely than people with Total Cholesterol of ~230 to FUCKING DIE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737806)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:22 PM
Author: mauve queen of the night public bath

In the spline analysis (Fig. 4, Supplementary Fig. 2), the TC ranges associated with the lowest mortality were approximately 200–240 mg/dL, except for men at 18–34 years (approximately 180–220 mg/dL) and for women at 18–34 years (approximately 160–200 mg/dL) and at 35–44 years (approximately 180–220 mg/dL).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737809)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 12:56 AM
Author: Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig

so what are you trying to say?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740563)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:47 PM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

all it looks like they controlled for was smoking, drinking, BMI, and physical activity. LMAO

a good primer on why these types of studies are retarded, namely because they fly in the face of better statin studies which are randomly controlled and demonstrate a clear causative effect between lowering LDL and reducing mortality:

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/cholesterol-and-statins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44737944)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 12:56 AM
Author: Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig

please clarify ur argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740559)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 8:04 AM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky

Lmfao you have really swallowed the kool aid and are refusing to even consider any evidence against your position (as to LDL there are tons of studies showing no correlation or causation for heart disease for example), while carrying water for the pharmaceutical company funded statin studies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44741086)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:19 AM
Author: flatulent juggernaut

lol what, retard? Everyone knows HDL is good for you and a plant based whole food diet raises HDL. So lol @ at this total cholesterol nonsense. You meatmo retards have no shame. When it suits you, you say but but but only VLDL matters not LDL. And now it's but but but total cholesterol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740640)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 12:54 AM
Author: Boyish alpha

someone explain what's going on here? I'd love to lose weight eating just carbs but it sounds like bullshit. they have lots of calories.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740552)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:00 AM
Author: Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig

actually meat is about 250 to 350 cals per cup of diced meat (white chicken at the bottom and pork and beef near the top)...

cheese is even higher...peanuts and nuts are also higher...

cooked beans is about 250 cals per cup...cooked rice and pasta are about 220 per cup, cooked....

fruit is less per cup than pasta/beans/rice...

non-starchy veg are even less...except avocadoes, which are high in fat...

corn is about 130 cals per cup...

one cup of diced potato is only about 55 cals..

so, carbs/veg are NOT as calorie dense as meat, cheese and nuts...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740579)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:15 AM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

nope

whole plant foods are the LEAST calorie dense foods and have the MOST fiber

if anything, it's hard to maintain and/or gain weight if that's all you're eating because that type of food is very filling while not being calorically dense, and you shit it out quickly

animal products are the most calorically dense foods because they're the most fatty. they have no fiber. a gram of fat has 9 calories while a gram of carbs has 4.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740624)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:16 AM
Author: Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig

also, eating a high fiber diet takes more calories to digest the food

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740629)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:19 AM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

there's also some indication that the body doesn't even absorb all of the calories from whole plant foods like it does from animal products and highly refined foods.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740636)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 10:35 AM
Author: Irradiated Trump Supporter Box Office

"shit it out quickly" is a non sequitur here but otherwise agree completely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44741522)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:21 AM
Author: flatulent juggernaut

Yeah, shocker, eating pasta and potato chips all day, while vegan, is not going to help you. The key is eating a plant based whole food diet. Since making this 90%+ of my diet I have stayed lean and strong without ever thinking about calories or portions. I am in my 40s too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740642)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:23 AM
Author: Beady-eyed very tactful bawdyhouse codepig

what specific plants are you eating the most?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740651)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:24 AM
Author: Sable Naked Menage

for me, my diet was centered around oats, beans, nuts, and fruit, with other kinds of veggies mixed in--carrots, tomatoes, leafy green salad, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740657)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:28 AM
Author: flatulent juggernaut

I eat a lot of variety but I'd say the majority of my calories come from quinoa, beans, nuts, and evoo. I eat fruits and vegetables all the time as well, but they're not as calorically dense obviously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740668)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 4:14 AM
Author: internet-worthy corner

Now post your testosterone level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44740935)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 8:01 AM
Author: Cerebral brilliant becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44741078)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 9:38 AM
Author: Seedy mexican dingle berry

*sad violin explodes*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44741289)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 8:30 AM
Author: Spruce floppy tanning salon knife

Congrats, hope it works for you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44741132)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 10:32 AM
Author: Stirring cerise dilemma

180 brother. Ive been fully vegan for over 4 years and will never go back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44741506)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 10:43 AM
Author: Irradiated Trump Supporter Box Office

Great news that your markers have improved and youre excited about your health, and happy with your diet.

Be aware that the benefits probably are coming from this increased awareness and a reduction in your intake of for-profit factory "food product" in general, rather than total elimination of animal foods.

Lots of high animal food eaters are very healthy and virile. It's probably not inherently unhealthy, though i think it's questionably ethical.

I have been a vegetarian for over ten years and since converting to orthodoxy i go for lengthy stretches on a vegan diet.

I recently experienced a severe health crisis that doctors could not identify a cause of, but for a long period of time my diet was extremely low in calories, fat, and cholesterol combined with high activity.

I have almost fully recovered after a long escalation period for fat (dietary and stored) and calories. My absolute fat intake is now pretty high for a while. I still have symptoms of crashed testosterone, so I'm focusing on scaling up cholesterol now using shrimp and egg yolks when permitted by my faith (since hegemon was right about everything else so far).

I am aware that people have been no cholesterol vegans for decades and have normal t levels, so maybe I just need more time, but i am going to test this out no pun intended and see what happens. Bonus is i like the flavor of these things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5138475&forum_id=2#44741574)