Ted Kaczynski: "racial and cultural blending must be promoted"
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Date: June 29th, 2022 7:46 PM Author: Avocado weed whacker
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-ecofascism-an-aberrant-branch-of-leftism
For obvious reasons, a white-supremacist movement cannot be worldwide. Even if a movement does not claim superiority for any one race or culture, but merely insists on keeping the world’s various races or cultures separate and distinct, it will not be able to bring technology under control, because its separatist attitude will inevitably promote rivalry and/or suspicion among the various races or ethnic groups. Each race or ethnic group, for the sake of its own security, will try to make sure that it has more power — and therefore more technology — than other races or ethnic groups. It follows that any movement that seeks to limit technology must make every effort to minimize divisions or differences among races or ethnic groups.[3] Purely as a matter of strategy, racial and cultural blending must be promoted.
The ecofascists need to read ISAIF, Technological Slavery, and Anti-Tech Revolution CAREFULLY. Doing so will not change their beliefs — which are based solely on emotion, not on reason — but at least it may prevent them from calling me an “inspiration” and citing my works in support of their ideology. It should show them that I am their adversary.
The ecofascists’ fixation on race puts them in the same family with the leftists, who likewise are fixated on race. The difference between the two is only that to the ecofascists the “white” race is the hero of the story, whereas the ordinary left makes the same race into the villain. The ecofascists and the ordinary leftists are only two sides of the same (counterfeit) coin.
Ted Kaczynski
September 29, 2020
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44768395)
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Date: June 29th, 2022 7:59 PM Author: Excitant tantric senate
yeah he's been cut off from irl.
i actually see the point he's making but i don't agree that it's worth it to "get the tribes together" even if you settle differences later, nor do i think it's possible. i also don't like the word "blending"....it would be a temporary alliance at most.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44768445) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:10 PM Author: ultramarine locale
"Purely as a matter of strategy, racial and cultural blending must be promoted."
he's absolutely right. even if you are a legit white supremacist, if you subscribe to ted's view that the leftists and technological slavery is the biggest problem we face, than *purely as a matter of strategy* the movement against them has to be inclusive, because it needs as many people as possible, and because any group that exposes racial superiority views is going to be looked at with extreme skepticism.
he's also saying that they're two sides of the same coin: both with an extreme focus on identity. it doesn't matter what the identity of these people are, it's about what they believe and what they're doing. it's completely identity neutral.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44771940) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:19 PM Author: Excitant tantric senate
"Thinking humans will just decide en masse to stop doing this because you wrote an essay after mailing a bomb is autistic."
this is some reddit level thinking
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44771975) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:29 PM Author: Excitant tantric senate
His goal wasn't actually to get people to immediately drop everything and fight the system, it was to spread awareness and plant the seeds of revolt.
Anything he said that seemed extreme or urgent was rhetorical.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44772019) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:39 PM Author: Excitant tantric senate
People already bemoan technology. There's significant departure from the "nerds are cool! iphones are amazing!" trend of the 00s and early 10s. Even proles realize that social media, amazon and advertising algorithms are evil shit. The fact that the unabomber is becoming less and less taboo is kind of nuts but it's happening. More people than ever, especially with wfh (ironically enabled by technology) want to "get off the grid".
People aren't going to go live in the woods overnight, it's a gradual process. It might not happen at all, or it might not happen all the way or for all of the human population. But I think you are confusing rhetoric with actual intent/strategy. Don't misread Uncle Ted the same way you accuse him of misreading human nature.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44772075) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:49 PM Author: Amber erotic boltzmann stage
You haven't cited to anything other than your own feelings about "people" online. That's not evidence of anything.
Meanwhile computer tech is advancing full steam ahead in every online sector. New smartphones for everyone every 6 months. There's no sign people are going off the grid at all. If smartphone sales are down it's because the market is already approaching total saturation. People tired of Facebook just move on to TikTok or whatever.
It's also a false dichotomy to say someone eschewing a smartphone because it makes them anxious also means they will go live in the woods or give up modern medicine or transportation. They will just pursue different kinds of technology to make their lives easier.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44772125) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:56 PM Author: Excitant tantric senate
"You haven't cited to anything other than your own feelings about "people" online. That's not evidence of anything."
Emerging social trends aren't that amenable to concrete empiricism. If they were, anyone could predict the future. I'm not going to pull up stats about how the "Industrial Society and it's Future" PDF has been downloaded 1000% more per year since 2010 or something. And this isn't just "'people' online", it's an aggregation of experience I've had. I'm not saying intuition is a valid argument, but it is often correct. It's useless to engage here because I think things will go one way, you don't. Not really any way to know the future.
"It's also a false dichotomy to say someone eschewing a smartphone because it makes them anxious also means they will go live in the woods or give up modern medicine or transportation. They will just pursue different kinds of technology to make their lives easier."
Again, straw man. I said people are becoming more fed up with certain technologies, and this trend is progressing. It might encompass more and more technologies...I think it will. Never said that they'll drop their phones and move to the woods of Montana on a dime.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44772155) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:41 PM Author: Excitant tantric senate
It's easy to point to examples of "hypocrisy" in primitivism, but no one is actually dumb enough to think that divorcing one's self from technology is a an immediate or even complete process. It can't be, because we have to re-learn the skills to do the things that technology did for us.
His use of technology was pretty limited once he had been settled in.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44772084) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:45 PM Author: 180 Parlour Coldplay Fan
uncle ted was right about the effects of modernity and technology, but he's wrong about technology being intrinsically bad
technology is based. fuck dying at age 30. fuck slaving away for scraps. fuck getting a small cut and then literally dying from "infection." technology is responsible for virtually all of what makes man, man
technology brings man closer to god
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44772104) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:49 PM Author: Excitant tantric senate
I agree and I also think one of his points about technology being "indivisible" is kind of bullshit. A lot of technology is inter-dependent but not all of it.
Idk why we'd have to give up antibiotics, for example. I think there is a solution to modernity that brings us closer to our ancestral roots without bringing back all the hardship.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44772128) |
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Date: June 30th, 2022 12:56 PM Author: 180 Parlour Coldplay Fan
the solution to the technology problem is for man to re-assert himself as the absolute ruler of his domain
we have outsourced control of our world and societies to technology itself. it might seem like "the libs" or "the jews" or whoever is "in charge" of things, but actually even those people are not in charge at all. The Machine runs on its own. mercilessly chewing up and spitting out human capital and human lives to serve its own ends and its own infinite growth
our "leaders" and "elites" don't even pretend like they're in charge anymore. they outsource everything to "the science" and "the technocrats" and "the markets." adam curtis has some good documentaries about this
all we need to do is to re-assert control of the levers of power and give the reins to MAN. you could make some random 90 IQ redneck absolute dictator of the US right now and within a year he would have already solved many of our most pressing issues. technology is a TOOL that should SERVE us, not an end in and of itself, and CERTAINLY NOT a force that should be placed ABOVE humans in terms of reverence and deference
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44772157) |
Date: June 30th, 2022 12:21 PM Author: Supple milky spot
Noooooooooo he's not my uncle now!!
this is a forgery!!!!!
psyops!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44771983) |
Date: June 30th, 2022 12:38 PM Author: 180 Parlour Coldplay Fan
lol
this is the same logic you see from "conservative" and "moderate" boomers: that yeah racial differences are real, but since we can't do anything about them, it is best to pretend that they're not real and promote race-mixing in order to prevent racial conflict
it's the same logic still being given to suppress scientific study of race and racial differences. people in academia openly spout this line. guys like david reich will write an entire anthology about how genetic differences between races are real, then sum it all up with "but we shouldn't talk about this stuff, because it will just create racial conflict." yeah ok buddy. you know what actually creates racial conflict? niggers
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5142921&forum_id=2#44772070) |
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