If you're Christian and haven't considered word "daily" in the Our Father, read.
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Date: August 10th, 2022 1:01 AM Author: razzle-dazzle set goal in life
Epiousios
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiousios
Epiousios (ἐπιούσιος) is a Greek adjective used in the Lord's Prayer verse "Τὸν ἄρτον ἡμῶν τὸν ἐπιούσιον δὸς ἡμῖν σήμερον"[a] ('Give us today our epiousion bread'). Because the word is used nowhere else, its meaning is unclear. It is traditionally translated as "daily", but most modern scholars reject that interpretation.
Since it is a Koine Greek dis legomenon (a word that occurs only twice within a given context) found only in the New Testament passages Matthew 6:11 and Luke 11:3, its interpretation relies upon morphological analysis and context. The traditional and most common English translation is daily, although most scholars today reject this in part because all other New Testament passages with the translation "daily" include the word hemera (ἡμέρᾱ, 'day').[1][2]
The difficulty in understanding epiousios goes at least as far back as AD 382.[3] At that time, St. Jerome was commissioned by Pope Damasus I to renew and consolidate the various collections of biblical texts in the Vetus Latina ("Old Latin") then in use by the Church. Jerome accomplished this by going back to the original Greek of the New Testament and translating it into Latin; his translation came to be known as the Vulgate. In the identical contexts of Matthew and Luke—that is, reporting the Lord's Prayer—Jerome translated epiousios in two different ways: by morphological analysis as 'supersubstantial' (supersubstantialem) in Matthew 6:11, but retaining 'daily' (quotidianum) in Luke 11:3.
The modern Catholic Catechism holds that there are several ways of understanding epiousios, including the traditional 'daily', but most literally as 'supersubstantial' or 'superessential', based on its morphological components.[4] Alternative theories are that—aside from the etymology of ousia, meaning 'substance'—it may be derived from either of the verbs einai (εἶναι), meaning "to be", or ienai (ἰέναι), meaning both "to come" and "to go".[5][6]
Just 'food' for thought.
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Date: August 10th, 2022 1:17 AM Author: haunting space karate
On the subject of similar sources, are you familiar with:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source
It is theorized that it’s the original source of both Matthew and Luke
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Date: August 10th, 2022 1:23 AM Author: haunting space karate
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I didn’t know it was used in religion classes. What did you guys study about it?
https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q-contents.html
I have this bookmarked for awhile. One of these days want to sit down and go through all the verses (and also to see which verses in Matthew and Luke are not part of it).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5170555&forum_id=2#44991807) |
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Date: August 10th, 2022 1:28 AM Author: razzle-dazzle set goal in life
I knew that M-M-L were textually likely derived from a common source. This is bourne out by the big 4 codices. Strong's Concordance was a Protestant source but we had access to it and used it.
This was in the context of a religious order of sisters teaching us basic textual criticism. I just happened to hang on to it when most did not.
I will add, John is my favorite Gospel. His mystic approach to the Christ is almost magical and elevates in a way the synoptic Gospels do not.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5170555&forum_id=2#44991818) |
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Date: August 12th, 2022 8:13 AM Author: citrine confused parlor
Amen brother.
"I don't need anything but my bible, I can just read it and understand from the plain text what I need to do/believe as a Christian "
"Ok, please read John 6 plainly and explain to me how your following Jesus."
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5170555&forum_id=2#45003061) |
Date: August 10th, 2022 1:37 AM Author: Lavender soul-stirring quadroon
supersubstantial bread aka the food of the angels, the anticipation of the unbloody representation at calvary, prefigured by the manna in the desert, the showbread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P45BHDRA7pU
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Date: August 11th, 2022 12:21 PM Author: Self-absorbed sneaky criminal
Man cannot live on bread alone
Super substantial bread however? Now we’re talking.
That said I don’t see a direct connection to transubstantiation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5170555&forum_id=2#44999100) |
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