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Date: August 13th, 2022 4:17 AM
Author: Adulterous Motley Base

As a teacher in Oakland, Calif., Kareem Weaver helped struggling fourth- and fifth-grade kids learn to read by using a very structured, phonics-based reading curriculum called Open Court. It worked for the students, but not so much for the teachers. “For seven years in a row, Oakland was the fastest-gaining urban district in California for reading,” recalls Weaver. “And we hated it.”

The teachers felt like curriculum robots—and pushed back. “This seems dehumanizing, this is colonizing, this is the man telling us what to do,” says Weaver, describing their response to the approach. “So we fought tooth and nail as a teacher group to throw that out.” It was replaced in 2015 by a curriculum that emphasized rich literary experiences. “Those who wanted to fight for social justice, they figured that this new progressive way of teaching reading was the way,” he says.

https://time.com/6205084/phonics-science-of-reading-teachers/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45007925)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 4:22 AM
Author: concupiscible frozen institution rigor



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Date: August 13th, 2022 4:24 AM
Author: Deranged dashing nowag

ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45007937)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 5:40 AM
Author: Crimson rehab

I have to get out of this country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45007999)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 5:50 AM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:14 PM
Author: Exciting Chest-beating Liquid Oxygen



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:15 PM
Author: Bisexual Fear-inspiring Property Police Squad



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:25 PM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:02 PM
Author: Crimson rehab



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:04 PM
Author: Talented clear forum nibblets



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:19 PM
Author: disrespectful abnormal shrine



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Date: August 13th, 2022 4:36 PM
Author: cyan dead national security agency



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Date: August 13th, 2022 6:12 AM
Author: Slate dilemma

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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:25 PM
Author: sienna national

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009296)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 6:38 AM
Author: chestnut kitchen

Black teachers heckling students for learning to read: "Sellout! Tool of the white man's oppression!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008036)



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Date: August 14th, 2022 7:54 PM
Author: Costumed Puppy Lay



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Date: August 14th, 2022 8:06 PM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 6:42 AM
Author: Irate buff azn

In a sane world they'd all be fired, then paraded through town while others throw stones at them, then shot, then hung, then set on fire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008044)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 7:15 AM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 7:36 AM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 9:01 AM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:12 PM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 7:18 AM
Author: Lascivious internet-worthy public bath

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Date: August 13th, 2022 7:36 AM
Author: Bipolar jet prole gas station

these "people" need to be executed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008100)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 9:02 AM
Author: arousing mint dopamine point

the irony is that nigga kids just need discipline, like loads of structure and discipline in school by tiger furking teachers... they shld be beat the shit out of and stuff... because thats what they dont have it home. most of them wld still become total niggas in prison but a good chunk wld at least turn out decent unlike now. u see this with NBA niggas like shaq who had a disciplinarian father but if you even try to suggest this on a broader level u are RACISSS cause society must instead treat them at school like animals just like they live at home

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008170)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:20 PM
Author: Honey-headed aggressive yarmulke

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008765)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:27 PM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:49 PM
Author: Claret Electric Fat Ankles Locus

aren't these your future clients

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008879)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 1:33 PM
Author: arousing mint dopamine point

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Date: August 13th, 2022 4:35 PM
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Date: August 14th, 2022 7:27 PM
Author: Slap-happy violet incel

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45013875)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 9:02 AM
Author: Shaky Boyish Love Of Her Life Ticket Booth

reads like evan39 flame, only i'd have criticized him for going too off-the-wall with this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008171)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:15 PM
Author: Bisexual Fear-inspiring Property Police Squad



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:21 PM
Author: Nofapping Histrionic Idea He Suggested Stage

Anyone who unironically uses the word "colonizing" deserves to get knocked clean the fuck out on the spot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008769)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 1:32 PM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 1:36 PM
Author: judgmental step-uncle's house personal credit line

(Pumo who played a little D1 football fantasizing about knocking a nigger out on Saturday morning)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009081)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:17 PM
Author: Blathering bawdyhouse

In fairness, the article is about how the guy realized how stupid that shit was

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009262)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:31 PM
Author: Talented clear forum nibblets

Odd hearing this from Time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009323)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:25 PM
Author: Burgundy area psychic

Wat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008776)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 4:34 PM
Author: Claret Electric Fat Ankles Locus

(Product of Oakland schools)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009697)



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Date: August 14th, 2022 8:04 PM
Author: Outnumbered Son Of Senegal Reading Party



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:29 PM
Author: Territorial disgusting native macaca

funny how mothers throughout history were able to teach their kids and their neighbors' kids how to read without having to think about any of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008805)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:46 PM
Author: Mentally impaired scarlet toilet seat tanning salon

I cannot fucking believe that this is real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008869)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:54 PM
Author: sticky casino

lmaaaooooooooooooo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008895)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:56 PM
Author: Doobsian hairy legs dog poop

How did the parents not throw a huge fit over this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008907)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 12:58 PM
Author: Honey-headed aggressive yarmulke

Bc ur child already got the benefit or u didnt yet know about the benefit

Parents arent briefed on what cirriculum works

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008919)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 1:02 PM
Author: Adulterous Motley Base

They don't know what's going on and the teacher's union is so powerful they couldn't do anything anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45008937)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:12 PM
Author: sooty piazza messiness

Teachers need to be abolished.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009240)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:20 PM
Author: disrespectful abnormal shrine

ughhh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009273)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:25 PM
Author: cobalt electric furnace hall

To be fair,

I forget because I'm fucking gay and retarded and illiterate -- which political party do "Teachers Unions" support? Is it the party of smart educated brilliant thoughtful science-loving logical sane professionals to which all of the XO Pumos belong? Or is it the party of retarded regressive reactionary impoverished meanspirited crazy assholes who hate science and logical thought that all of the XO Pumos constantly mock?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009298)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:25 PM
Author: copper french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009300)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:26 PM
Author: Titillating spruce market brethren

The real question is why did Time Magazine allow this to be published

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009306)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:28 PM
Author: copper french chef

"“In Oakland, when you have 19% of Black kids reading—that can’t be maintained in the society,” says Weaver, who received an early and vivid lesson in the value of literacy in 1984 after his cousin got out of prison and told him the other inmates stopped harassing him when they realized he could read their mail to them. "

lol jfc whenever XO discusses jail there's a ton of lawfags who are convinced they'll be fine on the inside because they'll exchange their lawfag abilities for protection.

Turns out you don't even need the JD, so long as you can read that can be your informal prison job and it's nbd. Another supposed advantage of a law degree GONE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009311)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:44 PM
Author: Adulterous Motley Base

I began to spend my days in the law library so that I could assist my attorney on my appeal. In time I learned the law. It took a lot of hard work and dedication. Before long other prisoners sought me out to help them with their own appeals, post-conviction motions, administrative issues, and other legal concerns. I decided to help people who came to me for help — but I would not help them for free. They had to show a sincere desire that they wanted to be law-abiding citizens if and when they were released from prison. This was important to me because I felt that while I might never get out of prison these other men would. I felt I had a bigger debt to pay to society for the irrational and irresponsible decisions that I made to pollute my community with selfish decisions to sell drugs. My debt I felt in part was to help become a part of the solution, because for so long I had been part of the problem. I wanted these men to return to their communities as real men, real fathers, and real leaders, and if I could help them I would.

In return for my legal help these men who did not have a GED had to enroll in school, and those who had violence on their records had to enroll in the Alternative to Violence Project Seminar, to which I was a facilitator. Before long I was winning cases, and in one case a man was reunited with his family 18 years and four months earlier than he ever expected. But my wins where not the ones that came in courts; my wins came when these men began to educate themselves, and learned to appreciate freedom. Before long I felt I could do more if I was teaching them how to read and write. I started what I labeled a fast-track GED program and all of my students earned their GEDs through that 90-day program. One student did it in 89 days. Along these lines, I have also completed more than 90 rehabilitative programs myself.

https://famm.org/stories/success-on-the-inside-chad-marks/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009366)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 9:19 PM
Author: Claret Electric Fat Ankles Locus

Still JD plus tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45010513)



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Date: August 14th, 2022 8:17 PM
Author: copper french chef

No litigators.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45014015)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 2:30 PM
Author: Beady-eyed peach gay wizard

DAT TOO MANY PHONEMES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45009319)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 6:57 PM
Author: Adulterous Motley Base

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45010129)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 10:49 PM
Author: at-the-ready citrine deer antler

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Date: August 14th, 2022 7:47 PM
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Date: August 13th, 2022 7:55 PM
Author: Adulterous Motley Base

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45010271)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 8:16 PM
Author: Titillating spruce market brethren

2,000+ likes, wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45010335)



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Date: August 13th, 2022 8:50 PM
Author: Honey-headed aggressive yarmulke

How can there be that much hate on the internet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45010421)



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Date: August 14th, 2022 11:41 AM
Author: cerebral selfie

approaching 6000

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Date: August 14th, 2022 11:31 AM
Author: violent sanctuary

This forum is crawling with undercover FBI who use punctuation monikers to make themselves hard to track and identify. We're led to believe there are actual lawyers on this board who think Trump is in legal jeopardy, but it's really just the FBI trying to cope. Avenatti talked the same way even after he was convicted, and he probably still yells about Trump to the prison guards when they bring him his meatloaf.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5172670&forum_id=2#45012166)



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