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Underrated vacation destinations in the US

I'll start. Northern Michigan - Traverse City, Sleeping ...
Canary odious university
  08/19/22
harrisonburg VA
mischievous temple
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JMU weekend trip
umber swashbuckling station
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M-F too
mischievous temple
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wildwood, NJ
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I worked with a guy from Traversse City and he’d alway...
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It’s the Midwest Lake Tahoe
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Smoky Mountains. Bryson city, pigeon forge, Gatlinburg, all ...
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  08/19/22
Most visited National park is underrated?
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razzle crawly forum masturbator
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Mt Hood
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Yes, that whole area is very CR
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Canary odious university
  08/19/22
Been there hundreds of times what's special about it?
exhilarant party of the first part filthpig
  08/20/22
Bald Head Island, N.C. Burlington, Vt Port St. Joe/Cape Sa...
ivory self-centered people who are hurt
  08/19/22
How is Maui underrated? It’s absolutely top/apex rated...
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It was underrated for me. I went there and was literally blo...
ivory self-centered people who are hurt
  08/19/22
the resort area you chilled in is literally a EPA designated...
Chestnut pisswyrm
  08/20/22
Sounds like my house
Violet talking state rigpig
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It’s arguably the most overrated place in America and ...
Chestnut pisswyrm
  08/20/22
For claiming you’re so poor, you have mighty fine vaca...
Painfully Honest Hospital Toilet Seat
  08/20/22
Thank you brother. We should vacay together sometime!
ivory self-centered people who are hurt
  08/20/22
Meet you at BHI and we can race golf carts
Painfully Honest Hospital Toilet Seat
  08/21/22
local medical examiners office
Chestnut pisswyrm
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Door County, WI Galena, IL St George Island, FL
180 point
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What’s so great about Door County? Always felt trashy ...
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> St George Island, FL soooo cr!
Sickened Flickering House
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delete #3 tyia
Chestnut pisswyrm
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underhanded range
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pretty much anywhere libs laugh at
Irradiated violent boistinker corner
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Ashville, NC Greenville, SC Beacon, NY Portsmouth, NH
honey-headed indian lodge
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i've never heard of vacationing in beacon, but i could imagi...
beady-eyed meetinghouse
  08/20/22
Many locations in southern Utah outside of the national park...
razzmatazz nibblets
  08/19/22
Almost every US location is overrated, which is a shame beca...
amber piazza
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...
Chestnut pisswyrm
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Brooklyn
Self-absorbed frum heaven
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ive been disappointed by nearly every part of the USA ive vi...
Chestnut pisswyrm
  08/19/22
180 Richard
Canary odious university
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cr ricky
primrose marketing idea abode
  08/19/22
saratoga springs is cr
bearded pearly lettuce
  08/19/22
they have an unreal thai restaruant there by the train stati...
Chestnut pisswyrm
  08/19/22
you were disappointed by maui?
Irradiated violent boistinker corner
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spent a long enough time there to see the seedy underbelly o...
Chestnut pisswyrm
  08/20/22
...
vermilion senate
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LOL
Yapping buff nowag
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weminuche wilderness/the larger san juan national forrest/et...
vibrant burgundy patrolman
  08/19/22
south dakota black hills area
sable partner
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Cr Wish I spent longer there
Chestnut pisswyrm
  08/20/22
Really enjoyed Jackson, WY when I went - close to 180 nature...
histrionic dopamine
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Not underrated. It’s massively trendy.
Hairraiser Shaky Den
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Black Hills SD Apostle Islands WI
thriller orchestra pit
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we've been talking about doing apostle islands for 5+ years....
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Yeah no one goes to see Mt Rushmore or Deadwood.
180 point
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Lake Winnipesaukee
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Sedona, AZ
chest-beating lavender school regret
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Why do you say this? I didn't get it, but then again, i had ...
comical kitchen
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Wisconsin Dells if you’re fat and pasty white
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the wallowa mountains/hells canyon area on the oregon-idaho ...
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West Virginia still seems underrated
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Cleveland, OH -- hang with a top poster Carolina Beach, NC ...
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What do you think of the Great Lakes Brewery?
ivory self-centered people who are hurt
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Described to me as a "tourist trap" (these don't e...
Maroon sanctuary affirmative action
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Humboult/Mendocino counties
Hairraiser Shaky Den
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search for lists of best state parks. far less crowded and t...
Vivacious beta famous landscape painting space
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Which are notable? I love Julia Pfeiffer Burns in Big Sur an...
Canary odious university
  08/20/22
perfect examples. just google Best State Parks or Best State...
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Jpb is 180
Chestnut pisswyrm
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Do you like fly fishing? Go to Idaho.
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rural and coastal maine if you like the outdoors. same for s...
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Lol at voting for Texarkana area (red river valley is flat a...
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Date: August 19th, 2022 10:03 AM
Author: Canary odious university

I'll start.

Northern Michigan - Traverse City, Sleeping Bear

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45037843)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 10:05 AM
Author: mischievous temple

harrisonburg VA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45037852)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:46 PM
Author: umber swashbuckling station

JMU weekend trip

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039072)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 10:49 PM
Author: mischievous temple

M-F too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041258)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 10:06 AM
Author: curious dun mad-dog skullcap wagecucks

wildwood, NJ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45037854)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 10:08 AM
Author: carnelian trailer park halford

I worked with a guy from Traversse City and he’d always say how it was completely overrun with tourists every summer. I think it’s a popular spot for people in that part of the country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45037863)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 4:05 PM
Author: flesh site volcanic crater

It’s the Midwest Lake Tahoe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039388)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 10:10 AM
Author: razzle crawly forum masturbator

Smoky Mountains. Bryson city, pigeon forge, Gatlinburg, all nice places to visit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45037867)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:50 PM
Author: Cracking base faggot firefighter

Most visited National park is underrated?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039097)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 11:46 AM
Author: razzle crawly forum masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45038286)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 11:48 AM
Author: tantric boyish stain

Mt Hood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45038299)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 11:50 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle outnumbered plaza

Yes, that whole area is very CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45038307)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:36 PM
Author: Canary odious university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039017)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 7:26 AM
Author: exhilarant party of the first part filthpig

Been there hundreds of times what's special about it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45042366)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:42 PM
Author: ivory self-centered people who are hurt

Bald Head Island, N.C.

Burlington, Vt

Port St. Joe/Cape San Blas (haven't been there since Hurricane Mitch though)

Killian, La

Heber Springs, AR

Mountain View, AR

Maui, HI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039049)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:12 PM
Author: Khaki mewling double fault casino

How is Maui underrated? It’s absolutely top/apex rated and is either appropriately rated or overrated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039189)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:57 PM
Author: ivory self-centered people who are hurt

It was underrated for me. I went there and was literally blown away. Also, anything you might need is available there. So it's ideal for a low-maintenance or family weeklong vacation. I was expecting something a lot more rough around the edges.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039355)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 12:34 AM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm

the resort area you chilled in is literally a EPA designated superfund site for military weapons and raw sewage lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041671)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 2:00 AM
Author: Violet talking state rigpig

Sounds like my house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041828)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 12:33 AM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm

It’s arguably the most overrated place in America and possibly the world, see my poast below

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041667)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 12:19 AM
Author: Painfully Honest Hospital Toilet Seat

For claiming you’re so poor, you have mighty fine vacations tastes. Of the ones I’ve been, this is cr

You’re missing a valley town in OR though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041613)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 7:30 AM
Author: ivory self-centered people who are hurt

Thank you brother. We should vacay together sometime!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45042370)



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Date: August 21st, 2022 2:57 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Hospital Toilet Seat

Meet you at BHI and we can race golf carts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45047989)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:43 PM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm

local medical examiners office

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039057)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:45 PM
Author: 180 point

Door County, WI

Galena, IL

St George Island, FL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039068)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:48 PM
Author: bright parlour

What’s so great about Door County? Always felt trashy and prole and the lake beaches all suck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039088)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:56 PM
Author: Sickened Flickering House

> St George Island, FL

soooo cr!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039129)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:03 PM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm

delete #3 tyia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039163)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:47 PM
Author: underhanded range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039077)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:49 PM
Author: Irradiated violent boistinker corner

pretty much anywhere libs laugh at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039092)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:51 PM
Author: honey-headed indian lodge

Ashville, NC

Greenville, SC

Beacon, NY

Portsmouth, NH



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039100)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 2:04 AM
Author: beady-eyed meetinghouse

i've never heard of vacationing in beacon, but i could imagine a super cool and chill lohud vacation centered out of beacon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041834)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 2:59 PM
Author: razzmatazz nibblets

Many locations in southern Utah outside of the national parks, particularly areas that are only accessible to 4wd vehicles. Cathedral Valley, Valley of the Gods, and the Burr Trail jump to mind immediately.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039147)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:02 PM
Author: amber piazza

Almost every US location is overrated, which is a shame because the natural beauty in the US is amazing. It’s just the prude policies about alcohol, lack of public amenities, and generally the people that just inhale food and immediately leave. There’s no leisure, it’s all stressful and feels like a giant Disneyland scam everywhere you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039159)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:04 PM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039169)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:04 PM
Author: Self-absorbed frum heaven

Brooklyn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039166)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:07 PM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm

ive been disappointed by nearly every part of the USA ive visited except the following:

Big Sur, CA

San Simeon, CA

Desert Hot Springs to Joshua Tree, CA

Lake Geneva, WI

Destin, FL

Chattanooga/Ruby Falls, TN

Hershey, PA

Flagstaff to Grand Canyon Area, AZ

Anacortes, San Juan, Orcas Islands, WA

Kauai, HI (every other island is completely overrated af)

Saratoga Springs, NY

Put-in-Bay , OH



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039178)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:11 PM
Author: Canary odious university

180 Richard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039186)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:58 PM
Author: primrose marketing idea abode

cr ricky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039359)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 3:58 PM
Author: bearded pearly lettuce

saratoga springs is cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039362)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 4:10 PM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm

they have an unreal thai restaruant there by the train station

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039414)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 8:51 PM
Author: Irradiated violent boistinker corner

you were disappointed by maui?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45040735)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 12:30 AM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm

spent a long enough time there to see the seedy underbelly of it and honestly can knock out everything worthwhile in a week easily. Overpriced, violent, environmentally toxic and polluted, overrated shithold - arguably most expensive 3rd world country basically. Same for Oahu but there is at least great Korean food there, big island is actually cr af though tbf but nothing compares to Kauai

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041650)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 2:26 AM
Author: vermilion senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041869)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 3:32 PM
Author: Yapping buff nowag

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45043974)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 4:00 PM
Author: vibrant burgundy patrolman

weminuche wilderness/the larger san juan national forrest/etc



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45039370)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 8:32 PM
Author: sable partner

south dakota black hills area

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45040641)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 12:31 AM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm

Cr

Wish I spent longer there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041663)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 8:43 PM
Author: histrionic dopamine

Really enjoyed Jackson, WY when I went - close to 180 nature and expensive enough that the town stays small/no sprawl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45040701)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 3:08 PM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Den

Not underrated. It’s massively trendy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45043864)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 9:15 PM
Author: thriller orchestra pit

Black Hills SD

Apostle Islands WI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45040849)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 3:10 PM
Author: Bull headed white antidepressant drug

we've been talking about doing apostle islands for 5+ years. need to finally do it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45043872)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 3:23 PM
Author: 180 point

Yeah no one goes to see Mt Rushmore or Deadwood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45043942)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 9:16 PM
Author: histrionic dopamine

Lake Winnipesaukee

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45040854)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 10:45 PM
Author: chest-beating lavender school regret

Sedona, AZ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041237)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 11:37 PM
Author: comical kitchen

Why do you say this? I didn't get it, but then again, i had a retard planning shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45046126)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 10:51 PM
Author: purple big mad cow disease incel

Wisconsin Dells if you’re fat and pasty white

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041267)



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Date: August 19th, 2022 11:00 PM
Author: rebellious mint home

the wallowa mountains/hells canyon area on the oregon-idaho border. people actually tried pretty hard in the 20th century to promote the region as 'america's alps,' but it was too remote and sparsely-populated to attract much of a crowd. so you basically have entire mountains and trails and canyons to yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45041310)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 7:28 AM
Author: Copper narrow-minded dysfunction

West Virginia still seems underrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45042368)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 8:20 AM
Author: Maroon sanctuary affirmative action

Cleveland, OH -- hang with a top poster

Carolina Beach, NC -- the army sent me here for a week and I loved it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45042448)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 8:22 AM
Author: ivory self-centered people who are hurt

What do you think of the Great Lakes Brewery?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45042449)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 2:54 PM
Author: Maroon sanctuary affirmative action

Described to me as a "tourist trap" (these don't exist in Cleveland due to lack of tourists) but you can get a just-fine American dish and the atmosphere is good and good neighborhood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45043794)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 3:08 PM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Den

Humboult/Mendocino counties

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45043861)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 3:22 PM
Author: Vivacious beta famous landscape painting space

search for lists of best state parks. far less crowded and the top ones are spectacular.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45043938)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 9:58 PM
Author: Canary odious university

Which are notable? I love Julia Pfeiffer Burns in Big Sur and Letchworth in NY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45045746)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 11:22 PM
Author: Vivacious beta famous landscape painting space

perfect examples. just google Best State Parks or Best State Parks in _______. or check out All Trails.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45046082)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 11:32 PM
Author: Chestnut pisswyrm

Jpb is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45046109)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 3:24 PM
Author: exciting emerald property

Do you like fly fishing? Go to Idaho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45043944)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 3:31 PM
Author: Yapping buff nowag

rural and coastal maine if you like the outdoors. same for san juan islands in WA if you can pilot a boat or sail. texarkana area is surprisingly beautiful and a lot to do.

this will be controversial but a lot of people really end up enjoying san antonio. not the dumb river walk bullshit. it combines sort of the seedy party culture of the french quarter and you're basically in a hybrid mexican-american city with great food and fairly ancient history by U.S. standards. obviously not a big pull for X keyboard white supremacy larpers but normies may like it. san marcos area is nice too, especially if you have kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5176256&forum_id=2#45043970)



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Date: August 20th, 2022 3:33 PM
Author: ivory self-centered people who are hurt

Lol at voting for Texarkana area (red river valley is flat and boring).

Arkansas has some good spots, but nothing south of Hot Springs.

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