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Statistical Comparison of QQQ/SPY versus 3x Leveraged ETFS

This is QQQ versus TQQQ, it's moved at a 2.85 ratio for the ...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
SPY to SPYX ratio is 2.93, same issue with May being weird a...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
you will lose everything. get some other hobby instead, it w...
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/22/22
i have like only 170k into these, my cost basis on Tqqq is s...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
probably right
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/22/22
do you have a leveraged etf position i always see you and bo...
fluffy ruddy personal credit line
  09/22/22
i just said nigga i have 170k in these three, im down on all...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
yeah nigga yeah
fluffy ruddy personal credit line
  09/22/22
i have nothing to lose, i hate this world and this shit is f...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
I am still trying to get in to time the bottom. Have $250k c...
bronze casino dragon
  09/22/22
lol u cannot time it, just buy down, literally soxl is at 52...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
I just didnt want to make a big time buy until we at least g...
bronze casino dragon
  09/22/22
ljl u realize that if u are gettin into 3x one days changes ...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
So your total investment is less than what I spend in 1 week...
bronze casino dragon
  09/22/22
nigga, u spend $161,744 a week on whores? thats how much tot...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
Oh I see. Yes I want to put similar amount into tqqq and sox...
bronze casino dragon
  09/22/22
lol man, as i said SOXL went below its 52w low today, thats ...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
"price" is cost basis u retard
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
levered etfs are for broke noobs man. get portfolio margin w...
Narrow-minded stag film rigpig
  09/22/22
LOL, i know a nowag amerikkan who lost like 400k of his moms...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
okay yeah if u want drag rather than premium to express the ...
Narrow-minded stag film rigpig
  09/22/22
I dont get it. I have access to options and the only thing o...
bronze casino dragon
  09/22/22
selling, not buying. if you're selling you're compensated fo...
Narrow-minded stag film rigpig
  09/22/22
“Intelligence….” Let me stop you right...
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  09/22/22
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Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
im retarded and have no idea what im doing but ive run stats...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
Yeah it's obvious the "time decay" is overblown. I...
bronze casino dragon
  09/22/22
U mean u sell someone an option to buy your stock/index if i...
bronze casino dragon
  09/22/22
brother i can sell the march 17 2023 $3000 SPX put for 50% r...
Narrow-minded stag film rigpig
  09/22/22
lol wtf, thats a cash secured put? so u are risking, market ...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
we're not plebs man. we don't use cash. it's 6x leverage
Narrow-minded stag film rigpig
  09/22/22
I dont get what u mean by $3000put. Do u mean that if it cos...
bronze casino dragon
  09/22/22
yes im retarded thank, ill hold these 3x for a year and see ...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
i always get disclaimers that these should only be used for ...
comical university dysfunction
  09/22/22
YES ppl say that, but plz go run the back stats and get back...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/22/22
I know nothing about these things. let's say you invest $100...
comical university dysfunction
  09/22/22
https://towardsdatascience.com/the-xiv-meltdown-1b0608110b9f
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/22/22
this is short VIX, which isn't what tommy is talking about. ...
Narrow-minded stag film rigpig
  09/22/22
oh good then tommy's 3x investment is much safer and has no ...
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/22/22
its freely traded nigga, u can even write options on it
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/23/22
doesn't answer my Q bc XIV was also freely traded but had a ...
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/23/22
So question for tt. If u got about 20% of your portfolio in ...
bronze casino dragon
  09/22/22
No, dat too risky but if market does decline 10% more maybe ...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/23/22
where should I put my 6000 IRA funds
beady-eyed massive bawdyhouse
  09/22/22
all in SOXL
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/23/22
I hurriedly dumped my bonus into TQQQ in December, thinking ...
underhanded internal respiration school cafeteria
  09/22/22
lol nigga, u basically put it in at peak, u must have lost 6...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/23/22
Wow just realized if market tanks 33% more in theory these 3...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/23/22
You’re entire investment strategy is buying things hop...
Fragrant Splenetic Market Liquid Oxygen
  09/23/22
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Razzmatazz cowardly main people preventive strike
  09/23/22
wait, this isnt a good strategy?
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/23/22
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shivering rehab
  09/23/22
What's the arbitrage here? You've shown that the price gains...
Razzmatazz cowardly main people preventive strike
  09/23/22
lol he's not trying to arbitrage just timing the market. whi...
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/23/22
i wonder actually what happens if QQQ goes down 30% from her...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/23/22
yes.
ivory coffee pot
  09/29/22
do NOT take trading advice from boor
Aphrodisiac Lettuce Roast Beef
  09/23/22
Bought a few shares of soxl at 9.5 and tqqq at 21.0. It is o...
bronze casino dragon
  09/23/22
today good day to buy, it crashed to all time low
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
ljl you're gonna get skull fucked on this thing.
Stubborn Native
  09/23/22
LJL I'm still buying, I'm now in with 172.5k total, down 43k...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
just LOL at buying and holding x3 ETFs they're for short ter...
ivory coffee pot
  09/29/22
just bought 2.5k more SOXL, now have 175k invested in 3x, go...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
if we have a multi-year bear/flat market you = fucked.
ivory coffee pot
  09/29/22
so if QQQ went down 30% from here then im furk but even if i...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
bc on any 10 yr horizon qqq is likely to recover while the 3...
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/29/22
explain nigga, ive looked at it, if QQQ goes down 10% moar, ...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
lol 1 weird trick for long term investing
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/29/22
timestamped for u cause u can't do the math: https://yout...
ivory coffee pot
  09/29/22
ljl nigga, he's playing with numbers cause he's only looking...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
now go to 7m29s
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/29/22
watching but he literally brings up UPRO in 2020 and takes i...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
ljl and he just ignores that in 2021 UPRO went up almost 100...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
son, https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/UPRO/charting?axis=p...
ivory coffee pot
  09/29/22
OKAY this guy is complete fraud, i ran all the numbers from ...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
*crickets
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
lol w/e. bottom line is if there is a black swan and spy sin...
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/29/22
yea but if that happens im furked anyway, like right now i h...
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
in that scenario 96k is an even greater % of ur wealth so ye...
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/29/22
its all nigga shit at that point
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
Tt is right. That volatility effect is overblown. The only w...
bronze casino dragon
  09/29/22
ty, i want to kiss u
Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug
  09/29/22
TB Capital hm what else does TB stand for
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/29/22
i mean tbf shitcoins are similarly retarded. small chance of...
razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig
  09/29/22
Looking at buying avgo and AMD and mixing it with soxl. But ...
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  09/30/22


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Date: September 22nd, 2022 2:57 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

This is QQQ versus TQQQ, it's moved at a 2.85 ratio for the year so close to 3x. Only month that was weird is May which also was a weird month for SPY/SPYX. I didn't add dividends for QQQ/SPY so not sure if that is the reason but I dont think so. Need to look into this

Date QQQ Change TQQQ Change Ratio

Sep 01, 2022 283.56 -5.25% 23.24 -16.43% 3.13

Aug 01, 2022 299.27 -5.13% 27.81 -16.64% 3.24

Jul 01, 2022 315.46 12.55% 33.36 39.00% 3.11

Jun 01, 2022 280 -9.08% 24 -27.38% 3.01

May 01, 2022 308 -1.59% 33 -9.53% 6.00

Apr 01, 2022 313 -13.60% 37 -37.21% 2.74

Mar 01, 2022 363 4.54% 58 10.90% 2.40

Feb 01, 2022 347 -4.48% 52 -15.15% 3.39

Jan 01, 2022 363 -21.90% 62 -62.41% 2.85

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45213683)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 2:58 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

SPY to SPYX ratio is 2.93, same issue with May being weird as furk

Date SPY Change SPYK Change Ratio

Sep 01, 2022 377.39 -4.50% 64 -13.04% 2.90

Aug 01, 2022 395 -4.08% 73 -13.32% 3.26

Jul 01, 2022 411.99 9.21% 84 28.78% 3.13

Jun 01, 2022 377.3 -8.64% 65.59 -25.00% 2.89

May 01, 2022 412.93 0.23% 87.45 -2.12% -9.37

Apr 01, 2022 412 -8.78% 89.34 -25.43% 2.90

Mar 01, 2022 451.64 3.44% 119.8 10.13% 2.95

Feb 01, 2022 436.63 -2.95% 108.78 -9.91% 3.36

Jan 01, 2022 449.91 -16.12% 120.75 -47.27% 2.93

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45213687)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 2:58 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

you will lose everything. get some other hobby instead, it will cost less

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45213689)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 3:00 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

i have like only 170k into these, my cost basis on Tqqq is sorta shit but the other ones are okay. This is worth the risk. Market has to recover and when it does Im getting an easy 100% off these, SOXL has insane potential of 500%+

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45213706)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 3:03 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

probably right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45213727)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 3:02 PM
Author: fluffy ruddy personal credit line

do you have a leveraged etf position i always see you and boor talking about them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45213722)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 3:07 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

i just said nigga i have 170k in these three, im down on all of them now but got pretty good entry points so when shit recovers im gonna maek BANK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45213746)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 3:10 PM
Author: fluffy ruddy personal credit line

yeah nigga yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45213764)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 3:11 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

i have nothing to lose, i hate this world and this shit is furked



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45213774)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:00 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

I am still trying to get in to time the bottom. Have $250k cash to invest that's all I got in terms of savings. Put a buy order for tqqq at 21 and soxl at 9.8. How much do u have in each?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214077)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:11 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

lol u cannot time it, just buy down, literally soxl is at 52w low, u have no idea is this is peak low, just start buying and progressively buy moar each like 3% drop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214146)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:15 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

I just didnt want to make a big time buy until we at least get into 3700s on s&p. I guess if tomorrow is a down day I buy. The reason is that I may have to hold this for over a year. Previously I pretty much traded forex where I never held more than 1 week. What's your amount and cost avg for each of soxl, tqqq, upro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214156)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:17 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

ljl u realize that if u are gettin into 3x one days changes arent going to matter, like u wont care u got 150% gain instead of 154% in a year, just start buying because u literally have no idea when this bullshit will stop declining

rate me as a retard:

Stock Shares Price

TQQQ 2369 31.45

SOXL 3125 13.37

SPXL 631 72.04



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214168)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:21 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

So your total investment is less than what I spend in 1 week on a whore?? Yet u have a total portfolio much greater than my savings... I am serious here. I intend to invest 80% of my portfolio into tqqq/sohl. The rest to be left for day trading options..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214198)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:23 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

nigga, u spend $161,744 a week on whores? thats how much total i have in, i may go to 200k then cut it off, already taking yuge losses on thsi shit but its insane, one point i was up 70% on SOXL and didnt sell shit now im down 20%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214210)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:27 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

Oh I see. Yes I want to put similar amount into tqqq and soxl. Let's hope tomorrow there is no rebound so I can buy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214229)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:29 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

lol man, as i said SOXL went below its 52w low today, thats just a signal to start buying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214247)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:24 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

"price" is cost basis u retard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214213)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:17 PM
Author: Narrow-minded stag film rigpig

levered etfs are for broke noobs man. get portfolio margin w your millions and sell puts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214167)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:19 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

LOL, i know a nowag amerikkan who lost like 400k of his moms money on margin, that shits retarded, at least 3x u only lose what u actually have

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214178)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:20 PM
Author: Narrow-minded stag film rigpig

okay yeah if u want drag rather than premium to express the same idea because you're unwilling to spend the time learning risk management which will result in substantial changes to your NW then sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214194)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:24 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

I dont get it. I have access to options and the only thing options offer is higher leverage. The reason 3x ETF are in demand is because once u go beyond that the risk becomes too much from time decay. I for example bought a call yesterday at 3805 and had to sell it at a loss today despite knowing that it will be above 3805 within 2 months when it expires.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214214)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:26 PM
Author: Narrow-minded stag film rigpig

selling, not buying. if you're selling you're compensated for the unlimited risk + providing leverage.

TT is right that it's extremely risky unless you know what you're doing. im teasing him bc he has the money, intelligence and free time to actually learn it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214221)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:27 PM
Author: Fragrant Splenetic Market Liquid Oxygen

“Intelligence….”

Let me stop you right there ..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214233)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:29 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214250)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:28 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

im retarded and have no idea what im doing but ive run stats as in this thread about TQQQ versus QQQ and i dont see the time drag unless u think 2.85 ratio is TERRIBLE becuase its not exactly 3.0... i dont give a shit as long as TQQQ significantly outperforms

this is a deep bear market already, unless the US goes to complete hell which is a possibiility but whatever, in 1-2 years we have to be at least 30% up which means 3x will be 90-100% up at least, its a huge opp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214242)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:33 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

Yeah it's obvious the "time decay" is overblown. It basically means that if s&p stays flat for 5 yrs and you're invested in 3x ull lose at least 50%. But chances are ull sell before it gets to that point. Tqqq was 21.3 at market low on June 16. Nasdaq is now 3% above above that. So if it reaches the same value it will be had at 20.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214272)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:29 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

U mean u sell someone an option to buy your stock/index if it goes up in price and u keep the $ if it goes down. That's basically useless transactions where the biggest winner is the broker. With 3x ETF u can actually put all your savings in at the bottom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214253)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:33 PM
Author: Narrow-minded stag film rigpig

brother i can sell the march 17 2023 $3000 SPX put for 50% return on capital via /es getting 1256 tax treatment.

obviously more complicated than that and you would never sell that far out but that's the gist.

the shitty part is that there is no call skew anywhere right now so it's hard to hedge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214271)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:36 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

lol wtf, thats a cash secured put? so u are risking, market wld have to tank 20% for u to not have that assigned, wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214288)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 5:29 PM
Author: Narrow-minded stag film rigpig

we're not plebs man. we don't use cash. it's 6x leverage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214503)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:42 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

I dont get what u mean by $3000put. Do u mean that if it costs 4000 in March, u would have to sell it for 3000 but meanwhile you're getting paid 50% of 3800? That just sounds like a risk free loan of 20%+ over 6 months. Dont see why anyone would pay that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214319)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:24 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

yes im retarded thank, ill hold these 3x for a year and see how it goes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214216)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:29 PM
Author: comical university dysfunction

i always get disclaimers that these should only be used for short term traders that know EXACTLY what they are doing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214249)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:31 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

YES ppl say that, but plz go run the back stats and get back to me, i dont see that unless these "experts" are bitching because it will be like a 2.85x ratio instead of exactly 3.0x so then in their faggotry they can be like "it was off by 5%!"

only thing ive seen is overall in small loss years like 2% down the 3x may go 10-12% down so that is way more than 3x but seems thats not significant overall, i see lots of consistenty performance around 3x whether running monthly stats or yearly https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214263)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:56 PM
Author: comical university dysfunction

I know nothing about these things. let's say you invest $1000 and stock goes to $0. That's all you lose, correct? The benefit of these is using leverage without the risk of owing more than what you put in? AMIRITE?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214364)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 5:33 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

https://towardsdatascience.com/the-xiv-meltdown-1b0608110b9f

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214524)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 6:24 PM
Author: Narrow-minded stag film rigpig

this is short VIX, which isn't what tommy is talking about.

besides, this spike happened practically in slow motion. the first leg up from 20 to 30 occurred *during* trading hours at 11am. if you can't survive a 50% increase, and you don't know how to step out of the way during the first mid-day 10% increase, you can't trade short volatility at size. you also dont lever to the hilt when VIX is at 15 in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214786)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 10:26 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

oh good then tommy's 3x investment is much safer and has no sneaky mandatory redemption clauses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45216231)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 2:09 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

its freely traded nigga, u can even write options on it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45216924)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 9:13 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

doesn't answer my Q bc XIV was also freely traded but had a mandatory redemption clause where they could close the fund if there was ever a 80% or more drop in a single day (which is exactly what happened)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217357)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 4:56 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

So question for tt. If u got about 20% of your portfolio in 3x ETF why not transfer the rest now that it hit 52wk low? Let's say rates are cut in 6months and 2yrs later it triples. Triple of 200k doesnt mean much with inflation. Cannot even buy a new house. My total savings is 250k so no matter how much I beat the market in terms %, total profit is still not enough to buy a villa in majorca and fuck 18yo whores

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214361)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 2:11 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

No, dat too risky but if market does decline 10% more maybe Ill put in more but right now im good, my spreadsheet says if all my shit went back to 52w high within next two years my NW wld exceed 1.6m

i just want to get to 1.5m and then pull my equity share to 60% or less

my prior peak NW was 1.33m so 1.5m seems 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45216928)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 5:31 PM
Author: beady-eyed massive bawdyhouse

where should I put my 6000 IRA funds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214514)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 2:11 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

all in SOXL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45216929)



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Date: September 22nd, 2022 6:58 PM
Author: underhanded internal respiration school cafeteria

I hurriedly dumped my bonus into TQQQ in December, thinking that any possible downsides from buying at a high would be hedged by my ability to take capital gains in 2022 before any Biden tax increase could go into effect.

Lol fuck me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45214954)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 2:12 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

lol nigga, u basically put it in at peak, u must have lost 60% now, id never get into these 3x when market near peak

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45216932)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 7:17 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

Wow just realized if market tanks 33% more in theory these 3x will go to 0. Wow, im retarded. Maybe I shld have thought abt that before putting 165k into it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217168)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 7:40 AM
Author: Fragrant Splenetic Market Liquid Oxygen

You’re entire investment strategy is buying things hoping they go up and never go down. Cmon man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217195)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 7:43 AM
Author: Razzmatazz cowardly main people preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217197)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 7:44 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

wait, this isnt a good strategy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217198)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 9:16 AM
Author: shivering rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217365)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 7:47 AM
Author: Razzmatazz cowardly main people preventive strike

What's the arbitrage here? You've shown that the price gains/losses on a certain time scale are not exactly linked, are you just trying to lose less money on the month?

You would need serious capital/leverage to exploit a 1-2 percentage point difference for hedging

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217202)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 9:27 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

lol he's not trying to arbitrage just timing the market. which is a foolproof idea bc even if the bottom really is now, a mini-black swan event on the way back up could easily wipe out his position

edit: just saw his poast above so he gets it now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217387)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 9:39 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

i wonder actually what happens if QQQ goes down 30% from here, TQQQ wil really tank 90% ? furk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217438)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:07 AM
Author: ivory coffee pot

yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249688)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 7:47 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Lettuce Roast Beef

do NOT take trading advice from boor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45217203)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 2:13 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

Bought a few shares of soxl at 9.5 and tqqq at 21.0. It is obviously a good investment but should I wait to invest more? Goldman says we end the year at 3600. Doesnt mean they are right but the bottom could very well be below 3500 before the next cpi.. so far the market is only down a bit over 20% off peak. What if it does end up 40% down. But usd is now more than euro, it means they can reverse it in a single day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45218946)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:03 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

today good day to buy, it crashed to all time low

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249669)



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 2:15 PM
Author: Stubborn Native

ljl you're gonna get skull fucked on this thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45218957)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:03 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

LJL I'm still buying, I'm now in with 172.5k total, down 43k but dat not so bad right niggas? 10% pump in market gets me back to even!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249666)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:07 AM
Author: ivory coffee pot

just LOL at buying and holding x3 ETFs they're for short term trading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249687)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:09 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

just bought 2.5k more SOXL, now have 175k invested in 3x, gonna put 25k moar if market keeps going down, then at 200k will stop.. YOLO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249701)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:11 AM
Author: ivory coffee pot

if we have a multi-year bear/flat market you = fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249715)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:35 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

so if QQQ went down 30% from here then im furk but even if i didnt put 20% of my NW into these shits id still be furked from QQQ going down 30% so who cares... NIGGA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249831)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:46 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

bc on any 10 yr horizon qqq is likely to recover while the 3x will not until you're an centenarian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249898)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:47 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

explain nigga, ive looked at it, if QQQ goes down 10% moar, then TQQQ maybe drops 30% but then when it pops back up its also 3x, free money nigga

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249909)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 11:00 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

lol 1 weird trick for long term investing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249976)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:49 AM
Author: ivory coffee pot

timestamped for u cause u can't do the math:

https://youtu.be/WoYVmlOxwbA?t=338

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249918)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 10:57 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

ljl nigga, he's playing with numbers cause he's only looking at getting back to $100

i just ran math, yes if SP had to go up 11% something to get back to $100 the 3x wld only get to $94

but lets say from that point SP goes up another 15% so then its $115 but the 3x has gone up to $136 ($94*45%=$42)

yes this total gain from 100 isnt exactly 3x but its still much more 2.36x which is fine, if SP goes up more than ratio wld go up moar

these fags are literally like BUT ITS NOT EXACtly 3X!!!! SO ITS FRAUD!!! ljl u furking retards, if u outperform even 2x thats good but over long term bull market u will get close or above even the 3x



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249957)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 11:03 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

now go to 7m29s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249989)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 11:06 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

watching but he literally brings up UPRO in 2020 and takes it if u hypothetically held it through the dip and recovery, im saying buy during the dip then u furking benefit when it booms, NIGGA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45250006)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 11:09 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

ljl and he just ignores that in 2021 UPRO went up almost 100% versus 28% for SPY



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45250023)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 11:12 AM
Author: ivory coffee pot

son,

https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/UPRO/charting?axis=percentage&compare=UPRO%2CSP500TR&interval=5Y&metric=totalReturn&series=line

and it's only going down further at lightning speed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45250036)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 11:17 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

OKAY this guy is complete fraud, i ran all the numbers from what he said, he's just picking short term stats

2/10/20 SPY was at 337 and UPRO at 39

He's right that by 8/23/20 SPY had recover and now actually was up 3% while UPRO was still only at 32, meaning it was down 19%

But THEN go look at both's peak in 2021, which was 12/16/01

SPY was now at 475, meaning it had a 35% gain from

its 8/23/20 recover point but UPRO was now at 76 meaning it had a furking 136% gain

if you instead looked at gains from 2/10/20 its 91% for UPRO versus 40% for SPY... oh wow not exactly 3x but his entire assumption is based on u buying exactly on 2/10/20 when it peaked.. furk this bullshit, u still come out ahead as long as u hold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45250059)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 11:50 AM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

*crickets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45250293)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 12:08 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

lol w/e. bottom line is if there is a black swan and spy sinks by a yuge amount in a short enough period your 3x could go to zero or get very close to zero and not recover for a zillion years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45250393)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 12:12 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

yea but if that happens im furked anyway, like right now i have a bit less than 800k left in market, if SPY magically tanked 30% in a short time and i only held spy id be down 240k

but right now i have about 20% of my money in 3x, so that 160k wld lose 90% so 144k so it wld be almost worthless at 16k

my total losses wld be 192k plus 144k so 336k

so yeah another 96k lost but who cares at that point?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45250414)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 4:29 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

in that scenario 96k is an even greater % of ur wealth so yeah you'll probably care

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45252198)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 4:31 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

its all nigga shit at that point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45252213)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 12:43 PM
Author: bronze casino dragon

Tt is right. That volatility effect is overblown. The only way u lose $ long term on 3x ETF is if it's a very long bear market. Like the Nasdaq itself was negative in 2000, 01, and 02. If u bought at the peak and if tqqq existed then ud be fucked. On the other hand if u bought 2008 not at the very bottom but only at -20% you would be in the $ by the end of 2009. Right now Nasdaq is down 35% off peak. Considering it is held by msft, aapl, etc it will not fall beyond 50% even if jpm goes bankrupt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45250617)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 12:44 PM
Author: Rusted Stimulating Telephone Antidepressant Drug

ty, i want to kiss u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45250630)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 2:15 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

TB Capital hm what else does TB stand for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45251252)



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Date: September 29th, 2022 11:05 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle emerald volcanic crater filthpig

i mean tbf shitcoins are similarly retarded. small chance of mooning and big chance of crashing to zero at some point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45249996)



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Date: September 30th, 2022 9:50 PM
Author: ,.,,,.

Looking at buying avgo and AMD and mixing it with soxl. But if I'm not ready to buy those individual stocks yet, then cannot buy soxl. Bought a little tqqq at 19.5 today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5197335&forum_id=2#45259807)