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Date: October 6th, 2022 12:50 PM
Author: mentally impaired aphrodisiac resort

lol at the trad caths on this bort. Maybe MiG is right.

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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:21 PM
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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:22 PM
Author: Abusive idiot blood rage

"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" Who Removed His Penis and Balls

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Simon Davis

10/16/14 11:10AM

Filed to: INTERVIEWS

In 1994, a South Florida man who goes by the name Gelding was surgically castrated. In 2011, he had his penis removed as well. He's a "nullo": A cisgender man who removes his external genitalia completely as a form of body modification, and he recently agreed to answer our questions—from "why?" to "what do balls taste like?"

Gelding is a nudist and describes himself as a submissive bear. Apart from his desire to use a pseudonym, he let it all hang out (so to speak) when I reached out to him and graciously answered every question I had.

Is nullo your preferred term to describe yourself and others like you who are castrated and have removed their penis?

Yes, the reason that we use that it is not transgender. It's simply nullification of what you've got. A friend of mine Mack in San Francisco likes to use the term "mascunull", because I remain as masculine as they come with fur and so forth. But I no longer have the parts.

What are some misconceptions people have about nullos?

A few men don't know their own physiology to the point where they think if they lose their balls they can't come any more. And that's false. If you look at the physiology you see that the fluids are made by the seminal vesicles and the prostate. Very little of the fluid and the content is produced in the testes. I still unload.

But the active ingredient for impregnating someone isn't there.

Right.

Do you get a lot of people who think you're trying to become a woman?

Absolutely. And it's mostly the medical profession who sees the sexes as either male or female. And anyone who wants to alter any part of that is in some way suffering from gender dysphoria. They don't like themselves for some reason and they want to change gender. And that's absolutely false.

It's not a dysphoria. I see it in the positive way of working toward something, rather than away from something. Many of the guys instead of putting a negative feel on it see it as a positive. Being castrated is a positive to them. Rather than removing something that they dislike, they are moving in the direction that they want. I went through a long set of psychological evaluation sessions with a psychologist here in town, because that was necessary in order to have the penis removed.

You've previously discussed your 1994 castration. However, I didn't find anything on your penis removal in 2011. Can you talk about that?

I knew I was uncomfortable in having frankly large male parts. I would quite often sit on my own balls because they were loose unless I wore something tight and held them in I would sit on them and squash them. That got me into trouble playing soccer in college when they forced us to wear these hard plastic cups. What happened was I fell on a guy's upright knee with the weight of another player behind me, so two of us fell on the knee. The knee happened to hit the middle of the plastic cup and imploded and tore me up. I was severely injured.

The doctor saved everything but over a period of time the nerves gave me some problems and I had aches in my testicles all the time. When I was in the military service they tried doing a varicose vein removal but that didn't help, it just made matters worse. They thought I was suffering from varicose veins. So after leaving the service I had them removed. And that removed that little problem but I still had the nerve sensations in the penis which woke me up at night. So I could get erect, but it was painful.

So I talked with my urologist and he said the only treatment for that was to make it numb, which is very dangerous because if you make something like that numb then you don't know if it's infected for some reason. Or remove it, but to do that he needs to cover his ass and asked for a psychological evaluation. And my own doctor is a professor at Nova Southeastern University here in. She is the most brilliant doctor I've ever met. So, I asked her about this problem and she was very forthright and said "well, we'll have to treat you". She didn't consider it something that was wrong with me, she said "we have to investigate." I went to see a psychiatrist and he spent a good 90 minutes with me and said "yes, I have just the person that can work with you." So the psychologist did a battery of personality tests and said "you're perfectly fine, your only problem is that you've got these physical problems which work on your nerves." And I said "yeah." And he said "it also works with your personality" because I'm a gay submissive and I always have been and it wasn't working right. So in order to to fix it I worked toward a goal of having things removed. And that was it. I'm working in a positive way to solve my own personal problem.

But was castration something you were contemplating prior to the injury?

Yes. For whatever reason I was always embarrassed by the size of what I had. It didn't fit my personality.

Do you remember when you the fantasy to remove your testicles first occurred?

I had a baby face in high school, there was one of these bullies and he said "you have a man's equipment but you're still a boy" and he squeezed my balls in the shower. He was on the football team, I was on the soccer team showering together and he said "you shouldn't have such big equipment" so he squeezed my balls and at that point it was just a fantasy for me. So how about getting rid of them for some reason?

When did it go from fantasy to aspiration?

It became a fetish thing where I would do sort of more self destructive things with them like putting rubber bands around them and needles through the balls and whatnot. It's a progression which a lot of guys go through. It's something that works on them and they say "Well, how about if we just have them off? Then I won't be bothered by this constant urge to hurt them". And this is where a psychologist gets into the dysphoria. It's very difficult to distinguish whether it's a dislike for something or instead you're working towards something else. I always thought when I was on the beach—I was also on the swim team—and we had Speedos, it was difficult to pack everything in frankly. I would be embarrassed and everybody was looking and here I am and I've got the biggest package and I'm not the biggest guy and I got a whole lot of looks from everybody.

I had a big dick, it got damaged and I was a bottom. I didn't want to use it, I got pushed into using it, I had to take all sorts of medications and was tired of being somebody else's tool.

Broadly speaking, how can someone know that being a nullo is something they actually want to go through with as opposed to something they fantasize about?

That's something really for a psychologist to answer, but in talking to all the guys that I've been talking with, they try to come up with all sorts of different rationalizations to justify it. In my case, my medical situation really didn't justify it because I was just uncomfortable with what I had. It wasn't medically necessary. But I felt that I would be much more comfortable having the issues of having the sensation but not being able to use it well. It was something like a guy having a useless appendage and it's something he has to carry around, and it becomes baggage after a while.

If someone starts/botches the process on their own, what would you recommend they do? Should people use a cover story to avoid getting in trouble?

No. Go to the emergency room. Today, they have been exposed to a lot more of the literature out there than they were 20 years ago. They're not going to be institutionalized. I mean years ago they used to institutionalize guys that were gay.

How would you say the breakdown is between gay and straight men for nullos?

I would have to say it's mostly gays. I don't know of a straight guy who became a nullo.

You had said in a previous interview that for castrations it's about a two to one for gay to straight men that decide to do it.

I've heard of a couple of straight guys who decided that they were making too many babies so they had their balls off so they could take testosterone and continue. I know quite a few bodybuilders both gay and straight whose testes have shrunk because of the steroids they are taking which are bad for their health. So they got castrated and now they're on medically injected testosterone which is good for them. It's not as harmful as oral steroids are or some of the other shit that they're pumping into themselves.

How would you recommend people do their penectomy and castration?

In the last couple of years, my friend Mack from San Francisco ran into Dr. Crane from Brownstein & Crane and he met him, and I don't know how the two of them had the discussion, and then I had a phone interview with Dr. Crane and I explained my situation with him and now Dr. Crane is no longer doing just transgender type of procedures but [also] genital modifications.

So in a way, you educated him.

The protocol that the doctors use for transgender people is called the Harry Benjamin protocol. So for example Dr. Reed in Miami, before you go to his clinic you have to take female hormones for six months and show some development of breasts and whatnot, some feminine characteristics before he will deal with you. And why do that when you simply want to get the genitals removed?

If anything, wouldn't additional testosterone be what you'd need after castration?

Men who get castrated, they do get depressed if they don't start fairly right away on testosterone. Because the falling hormone causes hot flashes first of all, and then the loss of libido. You lose all interest in sex and everything else.

Are there any changes that occur to the body as a result?

Body changes are minimal really. If you lose your balls, you won't lose all your hair.

What about voice? Is that a myth?

Voice doesn't change, no. The larynx is a hard tissue, and the voice box and everything else is a hard tissue. But the timbre of your voice is a factor of the larynx. I sang in the college choir, I know about these things.

One thing I noticed while reading testimonials is that many people seem to try their hand at castration and penectomy but then go to the doctor only if it goes wrong. How much of this would you say is due to the medical profession's reluctance to remove healthy body parts and how much is due to people's general fear of discussing this type of thing with their doctor or therapist?

You know about the Hippocratic oath right? "First do no harm". They have to be convinced that what they are doing is in fact an improvement on your health. Which is why the surgeon is requesting a psychological evaluation. And the psychologist comes back and says "yeah, he's going to be uncomfortable where he is, he's going to be more improved, better mood, better this, better that" and so forth. So from a totality point of view, it's going to get better after he gets modified.

And let me tell you my mood has improved dramatically since going nullo. I don't miss the baggage. I don't miss the fact that I get into sex with a guy, he expects me to perform in some ways, now he doesn't have that expectation. In fact, quite a few guys find it very arousing that they don't have to have that distraction.

Are there other benefits?

Another thing is, guys who are aroused by my situation are very aroused. I've got some guys who are pursuing me a lot. And they just like this idea, because there's nothing there to be in the way. Face to face fucking is very pleasurable. And when they're doing that I actually wet their stomachs with my fluids. And this one guy, he likes to go down on me. He's a bi guy and he said he does this with his girlfriend so he goes down there and starts licking me. And he just loves that idea. He loves the idea that I have a hairy chest and what is to him a very tiny vagina that he can't fuck but he can lick and he can enjoy being the male role. I've even got a straight guy here in town who likes to fuck me because I don't have any male genitals and he doesn't feel threatened by that.

Are there any downsides?

One of the most obvious cons is I have to sit to pee, or I have to use one of these female urination devices. It's an odd funnel shaped device that you can use if there's only a men's urinal. Also, some times I get urinary tract infections. There's a shorter path to the bladder through what I've got now. So I've got to be very careful and keep it clean. I can't get guy fingering me down there because it's the inside of the urethra so it's sensitive.

Do you ever get "phantom dick" syndrome when you are reaching for it out of habit?

A lot of the nerves are bundled on the base of the penis where most of the sensation comes from. It's not along the length of penis but on the base of the penis is where most of the sensations are. And I wake up in the morning with a feeling that I have a big dick that's erect.

In your experience, what percentage of castrations are done by non-medical professionals? How about penectomies? What are the safety risks for each? Would you say one is more difficult than the other for a layman?

I would above three quarters [by non-medical professionals]. And that number is lower than say twenty years ago. There are not as many today.

Which are not as many?

The amateur cutters. There are a lot of wannabes that are successful that manage to stay below the radar of the authorities because they run into trouble because of their lack of skill. Because if you mess up there are problems there. But if you're very careful in choosing the men you work with so that you have very low risk involved, which is age (you don't do old men), you don't do very overweight men, you don't do men who smoke, who don't take drugs and anything else. If you take these fairly low-risk guys and you do it well, then there won't be any problems. Once these guys get castrated, most of them simply become very private and they don't brag about things. They sort of withdraw from pursuing anything else because they've reached their goal.

So is the the percentage of amateur cutters lower today due to more people with medical training performing castrations?

Yes. They are finding that there is a living in this if they do it among other things.

How about with penectomies? I would imagine (and hope!) there's fewer amateurs performing these.

Almost all of them are done by medical professionals. That's tricky, yeah. More tricky. It's sort of major surgery and it's been done by some amateurs. They're fairly good with their surgical techniques. I was actually at one and the guy did a fairly good job but it took a long time and it was a very involved, very slow process. I've heard of only three or four done by cutters in the past and they have left active participation in this.

When you do a penectomy you have to re-route the urethra, yes?

Yes, what I did with this is I knew where I was going with this in 1999 and I contacted my urologist in Hollywood [Florida], an old guy who was just about to retire and I talked to him very carefully and said "in the future I'm going to want the penis removed". And he said "OK, we can do a urethral relocation in the base of the penis".

So how do things like ejaculation and urination work when you've rerouted the urethra and no longer use the penis for them?

With ejaculation, just before you reach the peak, all the fluid is there at the base of the penis, and right before orgasm happens it's the urethra that acts like a rail gun and expels the semen. So when you don't use the penis, there's no force behind it. It just flows out.

What happens to the body parts after removal?

Quite a few [cutters] collect them. They preserve them, they put them in jars. One guy embedded his in plastic and now it's an ornament somewhere. This typically happens when you're in a master/slave dominant/submissive relationship and the submissive gives up his balls to his partner for keepsake. And then you get into this S&M thing where the dominant partner controls and regulates the libido of the submissive. Especially if the submissive is on say androgel where the turnaround time from full sexiness to limp dick is about on the order of a week. The reaction time for the transdermal is very fast. Whereas the injections wear off after two to three weeks. The half life of the testosterone I'm taking is eight days.

You mentioned consumption of body parts in another interview. Is that for real?

It is for real, yes. Some guys do that. Think about the Testy Festy, where they go there and every year there they have concentration of people who are into eating sheep and bull nuts and rocky mountain oysters. I know a few cutters that don't charge anything for their work, the only charge they have is that they get the nuts afterwards.

Is this something that you've tasted?

Yes, as a matter of fact they do taste a little like chicken. Actually I would have to say they taste as much like chicken as they do roast pork. But it all depends on how you cook them. If you cook them in salted butter then they might be saltier than they might otherwise be.

How do you like them cooked?

I went to a cutter's place and he was having an event where he cut a number of guys and I was assisting him there. And what I did is I cooked them up in some butter with some mushrooms. Quite good with a nice red merlot wine.

Cheers to that, Gelding.

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Date: October 7th, 2022 1:20 PM
Author: Saffron Water Buffalo



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Date: October 6th, 2022 12:50 PM
Author: charismatic twisted theater stage

Do steroids significantly reduce your agency?

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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:02 PM
Author: charismatic twisted theater stage

Any moral mastermind itt care to respond?

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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:02 PM
Author: wonderful godawful gas station marketing idea



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Date: October 6th, 2022 12:51 PM
Author: bespoke foreskin dysfunction

Ime trad/strict catholics are just as bad as jews when it comes to rationalizing stuff like this.

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Date: October 6th, 2022 12:54 PM
Author: vivacious self-centered orchestra pit codepig

wtf does taking roids have to do with being a catholic

lol at this jewish nonsense

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Date: October 6th, 2022 12:58 PM
Author: aquamarine bat shit crazy potus sneaky criminal



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Date: October 6th, 2022 12:58 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria scourge upon the earth

yeah, i really don't understand.

roids are just another drug. are catholics against drugs? do they think that a doctor's prescription is the difference between heaven and hell? if i get legal hth because of a malady i'm good but if i buy it from some dude in the locker-room i'm damned?

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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:09 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone Range

its illegal. the law banning them is not an unjust law. catholics are obliged to follow just civil law.

that being said, speeding is also sinful, just usually a minor matter

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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:11 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria scourge upon the earth

is it really catholic doctrine that violating justice-neutral laws is sinful?

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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:13 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone Range

yes. the state has a proper right to regulate its citizens including catholics and we have a duty to obey. "Render unto Caesar" ring a bell?

the primary exception here is unjust laws, which are a nullity in catholicism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290026)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:24 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria scourge upon the earth

i thought "render under caesar" was about the state being distinct from religion, and that it was not sinful to obey the state so long as it doesn't conflict with religion. i didn't think it stood for it being a sin to disobey justice-neutral laws.

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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:26 PM
Author: vivacious self-centered orchestra pit codepig

it's not lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290117)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:44 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria scourge upon the earth

can you link to some catholic scholarship on this? not disputing i'm sincerely asking, don't know, and am interested in learning more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290242)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:54 PM
Author: vivacious self-centered orchestra pit codepig

who fucking cares what the "catholic scholarship" is lol

anybody who is telling you that your "religion" prescribes that you need to follow civil laws as a moral obligation is not a "religion." it's a set of secular guidelines for behavior. all it's doing is lazily/cowardly/disingenuously(?) outsourcing its own moral prescriptions to someone else (a secular body)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290308)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:59 PM
Author: Saffron Water Buffalo

hey goy you cant think that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290341)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:13 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria scourge upon the earth

because my question was specifically about traditional catholicism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290418)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:26 PM
Author: mentally impaired aphrodisiac resort

lol you sounds like a protestant. Are you Baptist or Pentecost?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290513)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:39 PM
Author: Cheese-eating dull haunted graveyard azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290947)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:27 PM
Author: exhilarant henna library black woman

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290522)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:55 PM
Author: Marvelous Canary Keepsake Machete

here's part of the catechism that might be relevant: "1926 The dignity of the human person requires the pursuit of the common good. Everyone should be concerned to create and support institutions that improve the conditions of human life." basically as long as civil society (the political community) is pursuing the common good through its laws, dignity requires you participate insofar as you can in your own pursuit of the common good. that probably entails law following (as long as laws are not only just but help society pursue the common good). idk, not a catholic political thought masterman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290317)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:57 PM
Author: brilliant trust fund public bath

This seems vacuous to me, since it just opens to question whether a given law is actually pursuing the common good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290326)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:58 PM
Author: vivacious self-centered orchestra pit codepig

yeah this stuff is just silly low IQ/autistic flailing around

if your civil laws perfectly serve The Good, then yeah, you have a moral obligation to follow them to the letter. but if your civil laws perfectly serve The Good, then what exactly are you doing with your "religion"...?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290334)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:26 PM
Author: brilliant trust fund public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290881)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:59 PM
Author: Marvelous Canary Keepsake Machete

fair point, might on the level of whether society is pursuing the good generally, not down to whether specific laws themselves pursue the good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290346)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:00 PM
Author: brilliant trust fund public bath

True, but that just raises the same issue at a remove.

Cf. act vs. rules utilitarianism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290351)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:52 PM
Author: brilliant trust fund public bath

The standard Catholic interpretation is that the law must be obeyed, since earthly power derives from God and because we benefit from the order and stability of police powers.

But the standard Protestant/atheist - humanitarian interpretation is that there's a wall between church and state, and people must follow the dictates of conscience.

Imo it is really just a way of reconciling that Jesus was God yet of the flesh and prey while in the flesh to the world of cause and effect, including the properly subordinate and contingent rule of the Roman empire. This foreshadows and prefigures him "rendering" his body to the state on the cross, while his soul remains pure and free.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290302)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:32 PM
Author: Electric Mustard Nowag

once was on a youth group road trip to some parachurch thing, one of the women in one of the vehicles in our multi car caravan was a huge proponent of the not obeying the law is sinful thing, so we drove like 5 under the speed limit for 5 hours or whatever adding a shit ton of time to the trip (compared with going 9 over like god intends)

I was idk, 13 at the time or so, but instantly came to the conclusion that equating morality-neutral laws with a moral obligation leads to a life of tedious do goodery equating morals with rule following.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290168)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:42 PM
Author: vivacious self-centered orchestra pit codepig

anyone who thinks that civil laws equate to moral obligations is just a fucking retard

this is more or less the distinction between master and slave: a slave treats laws as the equivalent to morals, while a master treats recognizes laws as general guidelines for behavior, but not the arbiter of moral judgment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290228)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:00 PM
Author: bistre hairraiser multi-billionaire

The law banning steroids is unjust and not based on science or reason

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290357)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:02 PM
Author: wonderful godawful gas station marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45289965)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:02 PM
Author: charismatic twisted theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45289966)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:02 PM
Author: Saffron Water Buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45289970)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:03 PM
Author: Burgundy laughsome pozpig home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45289973)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:04 PM
Author: Well-lubricated Principal's Office

(Father Francis O'Malley, having his shrunken steroid balls licked by an altar boy)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45289976)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:43 PM
Author: curious stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290238)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:49 PM
Author: Abusive idiot blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290279)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:15 PM
Author: mentally impaired aphrodisiac resort

He's doing it out of pride and vanity, not humility or charity.

Weird how all the bort trad caths like Ted, Boner Police, and GJR are degenerate sinners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290427)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:27 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria scourge upon the earth

he competes in mma. are sports inherently done for pride and vanity and thus sinful? how is taking hgh to recover faster different than taking advil to recover faster?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290519)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 5:24 PM
Author: mentally impaired aphrodisiac resort

is he some kind of professional competing for money, glory, and fame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45291574)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:49 PM
Author: Burgundy laughsome pozpig home

HEY u dumb goys u better stop all that working out! what’s that? seeking to improve ur physical body such that it is capable of acting upon rather than being acted upon instead of trudging thru life as a weak compliant defenseless sedentary docile automaton? seems pretty PRIDEFUL to me, ur g*d wouldn’t like that very much now would he

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290629)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:55 PM
Author: vivacious self-centered orchestra pit codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290661)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:56 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290668)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:14 PM
Author: odious stag film kitty cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290768)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 12:08 AM
Author: wonderful godawful gas station marketing idea

???

How is Ted even remotely in the same category of those two?

Retard poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45293661)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:16 PM
Author: passionate lemon french chef

Steroid use seems prideful and intemperate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290040)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:33 PM
Author: Slimy Church

https://live.staticflickr.com/7523/15605223423_195b4e6052_z.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290174)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:42 PM
Author: vivacious self-centered orchestra pit codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290230)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:45 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290251)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:45 PM
Author: crimson school pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290255)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:46 PM
Author: Electric Mustard Nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290261)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:49 PM
Author: passionate lemon french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290278)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:51 PM
Author: Saffron Water Buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290296)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 1:53 PM
Author: brilliant trust fund public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290303)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:22 PM
Author: Burgundy laughsome pozpig home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290477)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:22 PM
Author: Internet-worthy Forum Famous Landscape Painting



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290480)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:23 PM
Author: charismatic twisted theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290484)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:24 PM
Author: Marvelous Canary Keepsake Machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290499)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 2:29 PM
Author: exhilarant henna library black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290532)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 12:06 AM
Author: wonderful godawful gas station marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45293652)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 2:47 AM
Author: talented emerald factory reset button business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45294047)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 2:49 AM
Author: splenetic locus personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45294048)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 1:19 PM
Author: Beady-eyed gaped property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45295544)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 9:24 PM
Author: Glassy fighting institution kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45297919)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 9:26 PM
Author: Azure Talking Volcanic Crater Plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45297934)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:21 PM
Author: splenetic locus personal credit line

not on PEDs, but likely will be in the not too distant future. particularly, trt. hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290832)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:26 PM
Author: mentally impaired aphrodisiac resort

next you'll be fucking alter boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290871)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 12:07 AM
Author: wonderful godawful gas station marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45293656)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:26 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone Range

gunnerttt: im t work, but here's a snippet (CCC citations):

1898 Every human community needs an authority to govern it. 16 The foundation of such authority lies in human nature. It is necessary for the unity of the state***. Its role is to ensure as far as possible the common good of the society***.

1899 The authority required by the moral order derives from God: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God****. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment****."17

1900 The duty of obedience requires all to give due honor to authority and to treat those who are charged to exercise it with respect, and, insofar as it is deserved, with gratitude and good-will****.

Pope St. Clement of Rome provides the Church's most ancient prayer for political authorities:18 "Grant to them, Lord, health, peace, concord, and stability, so that they may exercise without offense the sovereignty that you have given them. Master, heavenly King of the ages, you give glory, honor, and power over the things of earth to the sons of men. Direct, Lord, their counsel, following what is pleasing and acceptable in your sight, so that by exercising with devotion and in peace and gentleness the power that you have given to them, they may find favor with you."19

If you want discourse on the topic, Thomas is best:



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290873)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:36 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria scourge upon the earth

tytyty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290930)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 5:20 PM
Author: exhilarant henna library black woman

cringee

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45291539)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 3:38 PM
Author: sick clear athletic conference lodge

he's already puerto rican which means he has like 20% black blood which is a PED by itself. very greedy prideful guy. and what's he trying to do, larp as an athlete at 40+?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45290940)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 4:18 PM
Author: splenetic locus personal credit line

lol.

i started the thread about people being delusional about PEDs yesterday. my argument is that the moral panic, created entirely by the (((sports media))), of the 90s set back the advances in therapeutic anti-aging medicine. and one of the backbones of that area of medicine is t and relateds. we would probably all be on PEDs by now, prescribed by our doctors, without the steroid witchhunt of the 90s.

when you dig in, even doctors cop to this. most are completely in the dark about the uses, indications, etc. there are dozens and dozens of interviews with doctors who are experts in test for middle aged men and they may differ on things but the one thing they seem to be uniform on is "most doctors, especially your garden variety GP and PCP, has no clue how to prescribe test and they will tell you that you are "in range" not knowing that "in range" means you already are very far behind a healthy amount of T"

so for all you lurkers out there. if you get a panel and they say you're "in range" what they mean is "you're in the regular range of other sick, obese, sedentary americans" not that "you're good".

it's a weird mini-crusade in my head. i see all these people i went to college with who are completely falling apart and it's like "bro, go workout and get a script. will change your life".

anyways, point being, i don't do it yet. and when i do it's not for vanity. i have a good physique for my age anyways so it doesn't matter. i don't need it for martial arts, i win as is and am able to train at the frequency i want. it's about living an optimally active life. being in pain less. sleeping better. recovering better. anyone who has watched an old granddad fall apart has thought "shit, wouldn't it be nice if there was something you could take that can ease you just falling the fuck apart?" yes, it's called test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45291205)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 5:22 PM
Author: exhilarant henna library black woman

cr, this is how i feel about estrogen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45291554)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 5:23 PM
Author: mentally impaired aphrodisiac resort

go away Upset Jew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45291566)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 12:10 AM
Author: Stimulating crackhouse

I'm kind of baffled the oral T pills have fallen flat on their face. I get that the creams suck and no one wants to be pinning for the rest of their life, but I don't know what the resistance is there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45293670)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 12:50 AM
Author: exhilarant henna library black woman

bad for liver dummy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45293787)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 2:04 PM
Author: Beady-eyed gaped property

cr! one q: knowing what you do about T, would you start it if you still wanted to have more kids?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45295762)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 3:40 PM
Author: splenetic locus personal credit line

because of this thread, i finally reached out and am getting an appointment at a trt clinic.

to your question, it really depends on the person. people have made a fair argument that T is basically a male contraceptive, so it's dicey. if i were actively trying, no. i wouldn't. my wife and i are open to life and we have a toddler...and we're both 45. so while i am open to life as is my wife, i don't think at this point the possibility of lowered sperm count is a factor. if we were childless, no. i wouldnt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45296273)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 6:19 PM
Author: Beady-eyed gaped property

ty, that makes sense to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45297079)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 6:20 PM
Author: vivacious self-centered orchestra pit codepig

so basically we successfully forcememed you into taking steroids irl?

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45297081)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 9:21 PM
Author: splenetic locus personal credit line

meme magic.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45297914)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 4:58 PM
Author: wonderful godawful gas station marketing idea

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45296742)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 5:22 PM
Author: Autistic stirring shrine antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45291548)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 7:40 PM
Author: splenetic locus personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45292235)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 9:23 PM
Author: Provocative Field Weed Whacker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45292770)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 9:36 PM
Author: Diverse opaque station cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45292852)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 11:01 PM
Author: splenetic locus personal credit line

no problem. i think it's dumb, but there is no legal prohibition against it nor is there a stigma attached.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45293367)



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Date: October 6th, 2022 11:02 PM
Author: splenetic locus personal credit line

second thought: it also doesn't improve overall quality of life the way trt does for a male unless we are talking about, say, lap band surgery for the obese. but, again, nbd either way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45293372)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 12:22 AM
Author: razzmatazz free-loading piazza shitlib

What about the argument that such enhancements are sinful vanity?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45293711)



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Date: October 7th, 2022 2:46 AM
Author: splenetic locus personal credit line

i don't buy it. but let's say they were sinful, the idea they rise to a mortal since is a far leap.

a lot of sin discussion tends to lose focus on what religion is intended to do. ironically it leads to its own sin--scrupulosity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5206925&forum_id=2#45294044)