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Is Shakespeare worth teaching in High School
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Date: November 27th, 2022 5:52 PM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business This is not some woke contrarian question. Just seems there are other works of literature that are better suited to making most kids interested in reading and understanding text. Shakespeare requires a lot of translation despite yes being modern English. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551253) |
Date: November 27th, 2022 5:53 PM Author: mind-boggling library mediation No, the chances of hs kids getting anything out of Shakespeare is virtually nil. You should focus on ensuring they can read and teaching them to draft effective emails. Maybe a graphics novel for an AP class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551260) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 5:55 PM Author: Honey-headed theater no point in teaching liberal arts to any of the future labor units (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551263) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 5:57 PM Author: Crystalline Multi-billionaire Volcanic Crater It’s worth doing to teach various concepts about poetry and theatre and give kids the cultural context of why Shakespeare is a significant figure in literature. But most of the benefits of it can be derived from reading like two excerpts over the span of three weeks in class v making kids slog through multiple entire plays that they won’t understand until it’s translated for them in class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551269) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 6:07 PM Author: Bespoke address stock car Retard here, I always considered shAkespear completely unreadable and never got an iota out of reading him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551294) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 6:24 PM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business Not retarded feel like this is an emperor’s new clothing situation where book readers gush over Shakespeare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551352) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 6:28 PM Author: Bespoke address stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551368) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 6:32 PM Author: Hairless rigpig jap Certain lines are great (e.g. tomorrow speech), but I've never really gotten anything out of reading entire plays (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551393) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 3:37 PM Author: onyx therapy ive got some bad news for you brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555069) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 7:37 PM Author: drab field i'm a retard and find them largely unreadable without help, but the overall stories are 180, and the histories are educational (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551595) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 7:39 PM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business The histories are also not accurate. With all the time you put in wouldn’t it be better to read an actual bio of Henry v (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551602) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 7:45 PM Author: drab field watched kenneth branaugh's henry v a couple months ago. what is inaccurate about it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551620) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 8:27 PM Author: vibrant base haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551771) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 7:33 PM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551583) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 8:28 PM Author: vibrant base haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551781) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 6:06 AM Author: Disturbing clear roommate clown cr meant to be read in the original koine greek (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45552849) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 8:54 PM Author: Haunting hospital Learning Shakespeare in high school got me more interested in literature than anything else we studied. Not because of iambic pentameter or foreshadowing or irony or anything else that supposedly makes Shakespeare "great." I had a 180 high school English teacher who taught us that Shakespeare is actually full of dick jokes. Finding out that there were dirty double meanings to many famous Shakespeare passages made me want to read the entire canon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551850) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 8:57 PM Author: vibrant base haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551861) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 9:29 PM Author: violet organic girlfriend nursing home yeah I taught Shakespeare to high school seniors, and they appreciated the sly little sexual innuendoes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551945) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 6:20 AM Author: dun tattoo stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45552870) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 8:55 PM Author: glassy idiotic gas station becky Its written in a dead dialect of english its pointless to read for 99% of people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551855) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 8:58 PM Author: Spectacular big-titted location Don't you barely speak English on account of being a Jew/Slav? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551864) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 9:23 PM Author: Internet-worthy bronze house juggernaut he's eastern euro trash (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551930) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 2:23 AM Author: glassy idiotic gas station becky I am 0% jew or slav you stupid fucking nigger
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4578657&mc=109&forum_id=2 |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:31 AM Author: Spectacular big-titted location Oh so you're one of those Finnish Jews like Bisqwit: https://bisqwit.iki.fi/ They seem to be good at computer science as a caste. Maybe you should stick with that and not use your pea-sized Broca's area as a reference standard for determining the pedagogical worth of Aryan literature |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:11 AM Author: glassy idiotic gas station becky Broca's area deals with speech, not reading you Dunning Kruger fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553005) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:50 AM Author: Spectacular big-titted location https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Broca%E2%80%99s-area-%E2%80%93-Thalamic-connectivity-Bohsali-Triplett/5e92f3cb04bb3b986d4d29caeb9c158d29122676 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553095) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:52 AM Author: Spectacular big-titted location Some of the evidence supporting the involvement of the phonological loop in sentence comprehension has emerged from reading comprehension and short-term memory studies involving concurrent task paradigms (e.g. Baddeley, 1981 ; Baddeley et al., 1975 ; Besner and Davelaar, 1982 ; Coltheart, 1993 ). For example, Baddeley (1981) asked subjects to detect word order errors in visually-presented sentences while performing one of two tasks concurrently. In one condition, subjects performed the error detection task during concurrent continual articulation of the word “the.” By engaging the phonological loop in the rehearsal of “the”, Baddeley hypothesized that the loop’s contribution to reading would be suppressed, and thus the extent of its involvement in reading could be determined. In the other concurrent task condition, subjects tapped one of their fingers, paced by a metronome. Performance in the word error detection task was significantly worse during concurrent articulation than during concurrent tapping, suggesting that the phonological loop contributes to reading processes.
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Date: November 28th, 2022 9:16 AM Author: glassy idiotic gas station becky nice try retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553155) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 9:37 AM Author: Black fear-inspiring kitty you are such a tryhard piece of shit faggot
kill yourself you pathetic dweeb |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 9:38 AM Author: Spectacular big-titted location I liked your pumo better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553239) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 1:58 PM Author: glassy idiotic gas station becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45554630) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 2:12 PM Author: Spectacular big-titted location Is FLW tp a That student's name? Albert Einstein. tp alt? Find out next week on Zozo Ball Z: Kai! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45554736) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 4:52 PM Author: Milky chapel boistinker Most American Jews like FLW can speak English just fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555351) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 9:01 PM Author: Internet-worthy bronze house juggernaut lol at the azns itt unable to read or understand Shakespeare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45551870) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 9:40 PM Author: jade mexican you can't teach it to high schoolers unless you have them listen to it and recite it. reading it is pointless for 95% of high school kids.
in the UK, they listen and recite it. |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 9:55 PM Author: glittery church Lmao at the dolts itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45552032) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 6:00 AM Author: mind-boggling library mediation I love Shakespeare; just have a very low assessment of young folks' literacy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45552840) |
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Date: November 27th, 2022 10:19 PM Author: Exhilarant chocolate gaming laptop Most books high school English teachers (skews heavily towards women, coincidentally) are middling novels like pride and prejudice or to kill a mockingbird. Not sure I got much from classes on Shakespeare, but some of the plays were the only assigned things I actually liked in English class. Wish there had been more real greats like Milton -- took me until undergrad to realize I actually like poetry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45552106) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 2:25 AM Author: fuchsia forum idiot maybe 120 years ago, when average Victorian era white person's IQ was 125
tbf, i got a lot out of Shakespeare, but only because out English teacher was exceptional and made it engaging |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 6:16 AM Author: mind-boggling library mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45552865) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 6:05 AM Author: Disturbing clear roommate clown if this is a "world literature" course, then one shakespeare should suffice
I remember being decidedly unimpressed; meanwhile, I read and enjoyed longer novels like Grapes of Wrath |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:23 AM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business I had a choice between Othello or The Master of Go. I went with the latter and never regretted it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553025) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 9:17 AM Author: Lake hairraiser useless brakes lodge The entirety of the current high school curriculum needs to be scrapped and reworked for the modern era. Shakespeare could have a place in the framework, but it’s not as important as the many topics which are currently not covered at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553158) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 9:34 AM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business Like? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553222) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 9:37 AM Author: medicated plaza there need to be more nigger books (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553237) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 9:31 AM Author: dashing iridescent marketing idea set Yeah. You can start even younger with some of the plays. The key is to go all in on teaching it. Simply assigning sections to read overnight and having bland discussions about themes or imagery won't cut it. You need to spend lots of time on individual scenes; do close readings of passages; really get the kids engaged in the story.
With a good teacher you can have 10 year olds into Shakespeare. |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 9:34 AM Author: Exhilarant chocolate gaming laptop cr, actually -- most "hands on" cutesy stuff teachers do in elementary school like this seems worthless, but this is a good exception. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553219) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 10:02 AM Author: Cracking messiness church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553342) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 9:54 AM Author: aphrodisiac crimson property reading party The whole focus on literature should be scrapped. Should focus on functional reading and writing like news articles, studies, memos, reports, research papers, briefs, correspondence etc. HS students are terrible at writing even letters or emails. Need to teach how to be concise and clear first. Then focus on functional topics like logical fallacies, canons of interpretation etc. rather than motifs, foreshadowing, realism, metaphors, irony. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553295) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 10:21 AM Author: sick very tactful locus Ayoo, teach, Da hell dis white guy talkin bout? And where the black folk? I bet dis bitchass was racis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45553453) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 1:59 PM Author: medicated plaza i stand with FLW, but differ with him here on shakespeare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45554636) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 2:00 PM Author: glassy idiotic gas station becky You gotta see the average high schooler today, barely literate mexicans arent getting anything out of shakespeare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45554652) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 4:13 PM Author: medicated plaza i don't disagree with u there, but u seem to hate shakespeare urself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555191) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 2:00 PM Author: onyx therapy yes I enjoyed reading hamlet with my class. left a lasting impression. I was only into Homer and Tolkien before that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45554651) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 2:02 PM Author: Gaped abode Shakespeare is the greatest English writer and one of five greatest writers ever.
Yeah I think if you speak English and go to HS you should be taught Shakespeare before you are 18, lol
Your REAL problem is that many HS kids today should not be in HS but rather vocational |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 3:30 PM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business But the style of his English is nowhere close to how its used now either casually or formally. If you need a guide or "translation" then how relevant is it to read him.
The reason ole Billy Shakes as you pretentious fucks call him is even taught in schools is because a bunch of literary clubs at universities wanted to talk more about him instead of actual learning. It's like if college kids wanted to talk more about My Hero Academia than Trig so have a class where that's all they do. And high schools follow suit. |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 3:32 PM Author: onyx therapy if you need a "guide" to read Shakespeare you are illiterate. It's Modern English. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555038) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 3:34 PM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business Lol Good Ole Billy Shakes Panda Express claimed. Yes it's Modern English, but written in a style that has been outdated for centuries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555047) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 3:35 PM Author: onyx therapy that's part of why it's worth studying in a class. You can read Harry Potter at home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555058) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 3:44 PM Author: Exhilarant chocolate gaming laptop i fear the day the board takes up the autistic english department debate on the dates, development, and nature of the great vowel shift. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555100) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 4:23 PM Author: glassy idiotic gas station becky Its early modern english and its completely different (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555228) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 4:59 PM Author: onyx therapy it's not completely different. Beowulf is completely different. French is completely different. Shakespeare is Modern English. If you dont understand the distinction you should not be offering your opinion on this topic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555381) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 5:08 PM Author: Exhilarant chocolate gaming laptop 1) middle english (chaucer's english) is another language from either old english or any phase of modern language; just try reading it without a HEAVY (old/middle) german background 2) no one can agree on the dividing lines of where early modern english begins, when it spreads and becomes either spoken or literary, or when it transitions into modern english (read e.g. hobbes' leviathan and his translation of thucydides, seems like he's writing in separate phases that were developing or emerging proximate to his lifetime) 3) modern does not mean contemporary, the latter being what we speak; hence it's only on places like xo that you find people actually competently mimicking modern english for high-style, e.g. for threads about poasters engaging in 100% str8 man-on-man ass fucking the finn is right on this very specific point, even if no where else in the thread |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:14 PM Author: onyx therapy did you mean to poast this somewhere else? It's long-winded but doesnt even attempt to address my point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555895) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:16 PM Author: Exhilarant chocolate gaming laptop i thought about writing it earlier, but only came back when the subthread continued. these are more debated and complicated categories than you're presenting, so it does indeed address your category-based condescension. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555907) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:22 PM Author: onyx therapy my point is that it is not "completely different" and youre probably dumb if its incomprehensible to you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555923) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:19 PM Author: Cracking messiness church building based response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555914) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 3:37 PM Author: Gaped abode its really not that hard to parse. I think our HS texts had a few footnotes per page, entirely on single vocab words. The syntax is just fancy, but so is the case with poetry. Its very good for the 95-115IQ brain to work around difficult diction and syntax.
I do remember we discovered a pun on CUNT in Hamlet and were very excited |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 3:12 PM Author: Stirring Pink Love Of Her Life Meetinghouse What in the living fuck? When I think about shitty lit you read in HS I think of shit like Pride and Prejudice. Just incredibly boring and adds nothing. Shakespeare isn't remotely in that category. I also can't imagine a good English Lit course without Shakespeare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45554965) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 3:40 PM Author: onyx therapy cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555087) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 4:54 PM Author: Milky chapel boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555362) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 4:12 PM Author: pearly dead stage selfie ljl at all the proles itt talking about how its hard to read. Its meant to be acted out. They are plays. it loses its balls when you just sit in class and read it. For drama its still top shelf stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45555186) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:05 PM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business That's the point. Stop teaching this shit in school as literature. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5242991&forum_id=2#45556111) |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 7:21 PM Author: Spectacular big-titted location Maybe this is more your speed: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/series/OGS/omg-shakespeare |
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Date: November 28th, 2022 8:04 PM Author: 180 Azure Place Of Business "so Class, do you have any questions after reading Julius Caesar?"
"yeah so uh it was like uh when Biggie shot Pac or somethin' right?" |