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Taiwan spending $40 billion to move chip production to Arizona - link

CHIPS act paying dividends - will reduce the world's depende...
Buff newt
  12/06/22
Enough to cover american needs. win win
Sable national knife
  12/06/22
This plant was announced in 2020.
laughsome jade heaven genital piercing
  12/06/22
The news is that they are more than doubling the investment ...
multi-colored hall
  12/06/22
americans are too dumb to work these jobs, and lazy. is gonn...
Mewling cumskin
  12/06/22
Admit it- America is scoring a victory here. Makes sense on ...
Buff newt
  12/06/22
maybe we will also defend Arizona as much as we defend Taiwa...
cream pontificating stain ticket booth
  12/06/22
rofl, u know this is all just BS, foxconn once said they wer...
Mewling cumskin
  12/06/22
LOL, that's ARE Reptile-level cope. We spent like 300 billio...
Buff newt
  12/06/22
rofl, chips act is a joke, these comps will just take tax cr...
Mewling cumskin
  12/06/22
You obviously haven't read the CHIPS Act.
Razzle drab location legal warrant
  12/06/22
ohhhh what a $250b "semiconducter" bill!! The ...
Mewling cumskin
  12/07/22
The place will be staffed by engineers from 30 different cou...
Razzle drab location legal warrant
  12/06/22
NY Times article: U.S. companies and officials have long ...
Buff newt
  12/06/22
hunnghhhh
cream pontificating stain ticket booth
  12/06/22
lmao at dumbass Taiwan fucking itself over. TSMC was the onl...
effete sooty church building
  12/06/22
The Taiwanese elites likely want to know they can relocate t...
Buff newt
  12/06/22
We should give them US statehood.
Razzle drab location legal warrant
  12/06/22
yesss ur sluttt datter can get raped by kikes and ur son can...
Mewling cumskin
  12/06/22
Not really. Is China blockades Taiwan and USA can't chips, t...
Sable national knife
  12/06/22
How are they going to stop Taiwan from moving chips to the U...
Razzle drab location legal warrant
  12/06/22
lol at how furious Reptiles are about this Really makes ...
Bearded flirting quadroon
  12/06/22
? I love it
Sable national knife
  12/06/22
Yes I was FUMING when this plant was announced in 2020. h...
laughsome jade heaven genital piercing
  12/06/22
Yeah lol@ this qualifying for anything under the CHIPS Act a...
Razzle drab location legal warrant
  12/06/22
Republican or Democrat, this seems like a major win for Amer...
Chest-beating Plum Useless Brakes Institution
  12/06/22
The Americans who get paid out billions from the CHIPS Act a...
Razzle drab location legal warrant
  12/06/22
it’s not gonna help you escape from the middle class, ...
cream pontificating stain ticket booth
  12/06/22
It's more susceptible to Chines spies now
lascivious sick double fault
  12/06/22


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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:38 AM
Author: Buff newt

CHIPS act paying dividends - will reduce the world's dependence upon a Taiwan factory that can be overrun by China.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/business/tsmc-arizona-investment/index.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593254)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:45 AM
Author: Sable national knife

Enough to cover american needs. win win

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593292)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:04 PM
Author: laughsome jade heaven genital piercing

This plant was announced in 2020.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593414)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 9:28 PM
Author: multi-colored hall

The news is that they are more than doubling the investment that was originally announced and going from one to two fabs in AZ. This is big news, $40B is one hell of a commitment. Previous announcement was a $12B commitment.

And the first fab started construction many months ago, it's well underway already

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45596456)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:39 AM
Author: Mewling cumskin

americans are too dumb to work these jobs, and lazy. is gonna be lolzy, they alreadfy have huge issues recruiting ppl, and then the nowags they import from taiwan get worked to det

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593257)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:45 AM
Author: Buff newt

Admit it- America is scoring a victory here. Makes sense on every level for the US, including reducing China's incentive to invade Taiwan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593291)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:47 AM
Author: cream pontificating stain ticket booth

maybe we will also defend Arizona as much as we defend Taiwan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593309)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:50 AM
Author: Mewling cumskin

rofl, u know this is all just BS, foxconn once said they were gonna invest billions in WI, the pols showed up for the news conf, then years later it was all shit

taiwanese comps are just PR kikes for the TW govt, they do this shit to get favor with US, the AZ pols and biden himself will brag abt this but lets see, sounds like retarded bullshit 40b my nigga ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593328)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:52 AM
Author: Buff newt

LOL, that's ARE Reptile-level cope. We spent like 300 billion on the CHIPS Act- makes sense the Taiwanese would want a big taste of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593341)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:52 AM
Author: Mewling cumskin

rofl, chips act is a joke, these comps will just take tax credits and run

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593349)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:57 AM
Author: Razzle drab location legal warrant

You obviously haven't read the CHIPS Act.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593373)



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Date: December 7th, 2022 6:18 AM
Author: Mewling cumskin

ohhhh what a $250b "semiconducter" bill!!

The act authorizes $174 billion for uses other than semiconductor technology.[8][11] It authorizes, but does not appropriate, extended NASA funding for the International Space Station to 2030, partially funds the Artemis program returning humans to the Moon, and directs NASA to establish a Moon to Mars Program Office for a human mission to Mars beyond the Artemis program. The bill also obligates NASA to perform research into further domesticating its supply chains and diversifying and developing its workforce, reducing the environmental effects of aviation, integrating unmanned aerial vehicle detection with air traffic control, investigating nuclear propulsion for spacecraft, continuing the search for extraterrestrial intelligence and xenology efforts, and boosting astronomical surveys for Near-Earth objects including the NEO Surveyor project.[1][12]

The bill could potentially invest $67 billion in accelerating advanced zero-emissions technologies to mass markets and improving climate science research, according to the climate action think tank Rocky Mountain Institute.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45597774)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:52 AM
Author: Razzle drab location legal warrant

The place will be staffed by engineers from 30 different countries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593338)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:42 AM
Author: Buff newt

NY Times article:

U.S. companies and officials have long worried about overly relying on Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory, for the world’s most advanced computer chips. That’s because Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, which is the biggest maker of leading-edge chips, is based there.

Now a hedge against that risk is taking shape in — of all places — the most populous city in Arizona.

TSMC plans to outline a $40 billion plan on Tuesday to expand and upgrade a U.S. production hub in Phoenix. At the site, which is buzzing with trucks, cranes and construction workers, the company plans to import advanced manufacturing technology that has been largely limited to its factories in Taiwan.

The enhancements could allow the Phoenix factory — TSMC’s first major U.S. production site — to eventually produce chips, for Apple’s iPhones, that can perform nearly 17 trillion specialized calculations per second. TSMC later plans to build a second factory there that will feature even more advanced production technology, targeting future smartphones, computers and other smart devices.

“This announcement by TSMC is historic in every way,” said Ronnie Chatterji, an acting deputy director of the National Economic Council and an adviser to the Biden administration on chip policy.

The expansion is so significant that an event on Tuesday to celebrate the move is expected to draw President Biden and Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, as well as other companies and government officials.

Advanced semiconductor factories, known as “fabs,” can fabricate hundreds of fingernail-size chips on 12-inch silicon wafers. The production requires costly and complicated machines, some of which are already beginning to arrive at the site in massive crates.

TSMC’s new $40 billion estimate for spending in Arizona includes the $12 billion it pledged when the initial factory was announced in 2020. It now says the site will employ 4,500 permanent workers, up from an earlier estimate of 2,000, while creating 21,000 construction jobs.

The upgraded plan is the latest sign of how geopolitical concerns are causing companies and governments to modify longtime strategies, countering historical trends that led companies to shift most semiconductor manufacturing to Asia. It also underscores the widening recognition of the importance of chips and new technologies for producing them, which add calculating power to consumer gadgets, cars and military equipment such as missiles and drones.

Former President Donald J. Trump and now Biden administration officials have pushed for measures to encourage both foreign and domestic chip makers to build more factories in the United States. Democrats and Republicans, influenced by a recent chip shortage, agreed in July to a $52 billion package of subsidies in the CHIPS and Science Act for the greater expense of building such plants.

Chip makers have responded with announcements of major factory projects, including by Intel in Ohio, Micron Technology in New York and Samsung Electronics in Texas. But the most coveted producer these days is TSMC, whose founder, Morris Chang, in 1987 pioneered the concept of manufacturing chips for other companies that design them.

TSMC is by far the world’s biggest “foundry,” as the industry calls such services, and has lately boasted the most advanced manufacturing technology. Besides Apple, its big customers include Amazon, Qualcomm, Nvidia and Advanced Micro Devices.

Those companies haven’t publicly expressed worries about the concentration of chip manufacturing in Taiwan, which faces risks associated with earthquakes and droughts in addition to China’s claims. But the presence of senior executives from several of the companies at Tuesday’s event suggests strong support for having more key components for their products manufactured close to home.

The expansion plan in Phoenix shows customer pressure is having greater sway over TSMC, which had long argued that concentrating production in giant “gigafabs” in Taiwan was most efficient, analysts and industry executives said.

TSMC relaxed that stance somewhat in 2020 by agreeing to open the factory in Phoenix. But the company set a limit on the factory’s level of production technology, which is rated by measuring how small a company can make key parts of individual transistors on a chip. The smaller those dimensions — measured in nanometers, or billionths of a meter — the more transistors can be packed on a piece of silicon.

The company originally set the technology level at the Phoenix facility at five nanometers. That was an advance over most chips in 2020, but behind the level that TSMC would produce in Taiwan in 2024, when the U.S. factory was set to open. The new plan would upgrade the factory to also use four-nanometer technology, which Apple was first to adopt. The second factory, expected to begin operating in 2026, will be able to produce three-nanometer chips, TSMC said.

Intel, which hopes to introduce its own new production processes over the next two years, took issue with TSMC’s suggestions that its technology in Arizona will be the most advanced in the United States in 2024. “I would disagree with that point of view,” said Ann Kelleher, the executive vice president who heads Intel’s manufacturing technology development.

State and local officials in Arizona have already agreed to offer financial incentives for the first phase of TSMC’s construction, and the company is expected to apply for federal grants for both phases under the CHIPS Act.

Mr. Chatterji, the White House adviser, estimated that the two new TSMC factories in Arizona, once operating at full capacity, could by themselves fulfill U.S. demands for such advanced chips. But Handel Jones, an analyst who heads International Business Strategies, said TSMC’s factories in Taiwan would still be needed, both because of their production capacity and because they will be making more advanced technology by 2026.

TSMC operates four factories in Taiwan that each can process up to 100,000 semiconductor wafers each month. In Arizona, TSMC initially said the first factory could process 20,000 wafers a month. It now estimates that the two factories’ combined output will be 50,000 a month, or 600,000 a year.

But even relatively small operations in the United States can become important, industry executives said, particularly for individual customers like Apple or for the production of particularly crucial chips in emergencies.

By adding more advanced production technology in the United States, TSMC “would help address vulnerabilities associated with the shortage of semiconductors evident over the past few years,” said Bob LeFort, president of the U.S. arm of Infineon, a big German chip maker.

TSMC’s move is also a sign that the CHIPS Act is having an impact on the plans of big companies, helping to not only spur their spending but galvanize investments by companies that supply them with production tools and materials.

“This sends the right signal for the whole ecosystem to do more,” said Raj Jammy, chief technologist at Mitre Engenuity, a nonprofit technology foundation. “It’s a step in the right direction.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/06/technology/tsmc-chips-factory-phoenix.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593270)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:42 AM
Author: cream pontificating stain ticket booth

hunnghhhh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593274)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:47 AM
Author: effete sooty church building

lmao at dumbass Taiwan fucking itself over. TSMC was the only thing of value they had, now it's not even worth defending Taiwan from China.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593310)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:50 AM
Author: Buff newt

The Taiwanese elites likely want to know they can relocate to the US if worst comes to worst and China invades. Better to be a rich Taiwanese refugee with a working factory in Arizona than a poor one that put all your eggs in the Taiwan basket.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593331)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:52 AM
Author: Razzle drab location legal warrant

We should give them US statehood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593342)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:52 AM
Author: Mewling cumskin

yesss ur sluttt datter can get raped by kikes and ur son can grow up to shoot up a school!!! amerikkkan dream i rike!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593343)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:54 AM
Author: Sable national knife

Not really. Is China blockades Taiwan and USA can't chips, then USA is more likely to give into to China. Now, we can wait as long as we want while USA can block oil from sailing to China. This just helps confirm that USA will be there to support Taiwan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593362)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 5:58 PM
Author: Razzle drab location legal warrant

How are they going to stop Taiwan from moving chips to the USA? Are they going to shoot down cargo planes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45595460)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:53 AM
Author: Bearded flirting quadroon

lol at how furious Reptiles are about this

Really makes you think

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593350)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:54 AM
Author: Sable national knife

?

I love it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593363)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:04 PM
Author: laughsome jade heaven genital piercing

Yes I was FUMING when this plant was announced in 2020.

https://9to5mac.com/2020/05/15/apple-tsmc-plant-arizona/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593417)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:25 PM
Author: Razzle drab location legal warrant

Yeah lol@ this qualifying for anything under the CHIPS Act as it's written. They can still get money but it's going to require some fancy footwork on both sides. There's money there for foreigners but it's not enough to make a difference here unless it's being used to bribe talent. Contrary to what fags who haven't read the law (see: TT) think, the bill isn't intended to give money to FOREIGN firms. TSMC would have to become HQ'd in the USA to qualify for more than a few hundred million.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593534)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:06 PM
Author: Chest-beating Plum Useless Brakes Institution

Republican or Democrat, this seems like a major win for America? a real first step toward rebuilding the middle class, hollowed out by years of traitorous Presidents?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593429)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:29 PM
Author: Razzle drab location legal warrant

The Americans who get paid out billions from the CHIPS Act aren't going to be working in the fabs designing/making chips, at least not in the next 10 years. They will be in tertiary industries that support chip manufacturing, like HVAC doods who build clean rooms and shit.

Even then, there's a learning curve. I've talked to a number of bros who build clean rooms and they all tell me they don't have anything like the expertise needed to build a clean room for a semiconductor manufacturer. They would need to get trained up on that shit, which none of them have time to do since there is already a shortage of people who can build plain old regular clean rooms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593569)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:30 PM
Author: cream pontificating stain ticket booth

it’s not gonna help you escape from the middle class, boor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45593578)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 9:43 PM
Author: lascivious sick double fault

It's more susceptible to Chines spies now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5248225&forum_id=2#45596526)