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DEBUNKING gas stove MISINFORMATION (Vox)

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/23559852/gas-stov...
Avocado Disgusting Site
  01/20/23
Those Attacks on Gas Stoves Aren’t Really about Health...
aquamarine cheese-eating patrolman orchestra pit
  02/03/23
"It used statistical analysis to find an association be...
comical brindle new version
  02/03/23
Vox (and MSM): "Biden isn’t coming for the gas st...
aquamarine cheese-eating patrolman orchestra pit
  03/18/23
i believe i read that the only way you get asthma from gas s...
Rose insane senate rigor
  03/18/23
I did this shit in law school when I was POOR. Heat was ele...
Demanding Titillating Messiness Goyim
  03/18/23
Also, according to the article above, if your kitchen is is ...
burgundy provocative trump supporter
  03/18/23


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Date: January 20th, 2023 9:28 PM
Author: Avocado Disgusting Site

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/23559852/gas-stove-myths-debunked

Oh there a link

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274611&forum_id=2#45818566)



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Date: February 3rd, 2023 11:00 AM
Author: aquamarine cheese-eating patrolman orchestra pit

Those Attacks on Gas Stoves Aren’t Really about Health

1 day ago Guest Blogger 87 Comments

By Steve Goreham

Originally published in Washington Examiner.

Earlier this month, the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) announced that indoor gas stoves emitted harmful pollution. Several studies claim that the use of gas can cause respiratory illness. The CPSC is considering restrictions on gas stoves, including possible bans in new residential construction. But attacks on gas stoves are based on questionable science and are largely driven by concerns not related to health.

The CPSC has reportedly been considering actions on gas stoves since October. Richard Trumpka, Jr., a CPSC commissioner, stated “This is a hidden hazard. Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned.” Two recent studies figure prominently in agency concerns. The first, published in January last year by Eric Lebel and others, found that gas stoves and ovens emit hazardous levels of methane and nitrogen dioxide (NO2). The second, published in December last year by Talor Gruenwald and others, estimated that 12.7 percent of childhood asthma cases in the US were due to gas stove use.

Nitrous oxide (NO) is produced at combustion temperatures above 1,600oC by breaking down nitrogen molecules in air. Modern stove burner flames reach temperatures above 1,600oC, producing NO. The nitrous oxide then combines with oxygen to form nitrogen dioxide, a pollutant. But the amount of NO2 generated by stoves is very small, only parts per billion (ppb) levels.

The Lebel study measured nitrogen dioxide levels of 100 ppb in kitchens, but this was after sealing the room in plastic—an unrealistic artificial condition. Other studies find NO2 levels to be as high as 34 ppb after several hours of stove and oven use. This level is below the 53 ppb limit of the National Ambient Air Quality Standard of the Environmental Protection Agency. The EPA states that, for NO2 levels below 50 ppb, “No health impacts are expected for air quality in this range.” Most studies do not find hazardous levels of NO2 from stove use.

Nevertheless, the Gruenwald study claims that nitrogen dioxide from gas stoves is linked to asthma in children. It used statistical analysis to find an association between stoves and childhood asthma in the US. But the study itself states that it reviewed 27 other studies connected to gas stoves and none reported “associations between gas stove use and childhood asthma.” In addition, the Centers for Disease Control reports that asthma attacks and asthma hospitalizations for US children have been declining since 2001, while US natural gas consumption rose 38 percent over the same period.

Could it be that health concerns about gas stoves are a proxy for a larger issue? For more than a decade, environmentalists have promoted “electrification” of homes. Historically, the term “electrification” meant extending the electrical grid to rural areas and homes without electricity. But the renewable energy movement redefined electrification to mean electrify everything. As they see it, electrification of homes means replacement of gas stoves, furnaces, water heaters, and even propane grills with electric appliances. They say this is needed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and solve the problem of human-caused climate change.

Talor Gruenwald, the lead author of the study on childhood asthma in the US, is employed by the Rocky Mountain Institute, which also funded the study. For three decades, the institute has been working on programs to counter global warming. Eric Lebel is a researcher at Stanford University, with articles on methane emissions from oil and gas wells, gas water heaters, and gas stoves. His goal appears to be to counter global warming through electrification of homes by claiming harmful health effects from gas appliances.

Netherlands and the United Kingdom now urge their residents to replace gas appliances with electric appliances and heat pumps as part of programs to reach net-zero emissions. These policies were adopted even though 92 percent of homes in Netherlands use gas heat and 78 percent of homes in the UK use gas. The Netherlands aims to disconnect gas lines from eight million homes by 2050.

An electrification battle rages in the United States. Cities in seven states—California, Colorado, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington—have established bans on gas appliances in new construction. But in opposition, 19 other states recently enacted laws preventing local governments from banning natural gas and propane, or “impairing a consumer’s ability to choose a utility service.” Another four states have proposed legislation that would prohibit bans by local governments.

Residents pay significantly more in utility bills with electric appliances. For example, in 2020 the average price of residential natural gas in California was $14.14 per million British Thermal Units (Btu). For a new 95-percent-efficiency natural-gas furnace or water heater, this translates to a cost of just under $13 per million Btu. California’s 2020 residential electricity price was 20.51 cents per kWh, or a cost of $60.11 per million Btu. California residents can pay over four times as much to operate electric stoves, water heaters, or electric baseboard heat, compared to gas appliances.

Banning gas stoves will raise homeowner costs and reduce choices, without a tangible improvement in health.

Steve Goreham is a speaker on the environment, business, and public policy and author of the book Outside the Green Box: Rethinking Sustainable Development.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/02/02/those-attacks-on-gas-stoves-arent-really-about-health/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274611&forum_id=2#45881605)



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Date: February 3rd, 2023 11:03 AM
Author: comical brindle new version

"It used statistical analysis to find an association between stoves and childhood asthma in the US."

didn't someone put up a map that showed that the vast majority of gas stoves are in CA and NYC metro area? I'm sure that has nothing to do with it and it's simply the gas stoves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274611&forum_id=2#45881614)



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Date: March 18th, 2023 7:36 PM
Author: aquamarine cheese-eating patrolman orchestra pit

Vox (and MSM): "Biden isn’t coming for the gas stove."

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Yes, it's real: Joe Biden's Department of Energy just moved to ban nearly all gas stoves

By Rep. Debbie Lesko March 14, 2023 07:30 AM

Yes, the Biden administration is coming for your gas stove.

The legacy media and the Left attempted to brush off the initial gas stove controversy and outcry from the Right as nothing more than an unsubstantiated, irrational conspiracy theory. The White House even insisted that President Joe Biden does not support a ban on gas stoves after one of his federal consumer safety officials suggested that such a ban was on the table.

But, as we are seeing in so many other instances, Republicans were right all along. President Joe Biden’s Department of Energy is, in fact, pushing an extreme regulation that would effectively eliminate nearly all gas stoves.

The Department of Energy is conducting this gas stove grab through a rule that would impose extreme energy performance standards on residential cooktops. The department’s proposed rule sets requirements for gas cooktops at the maximum technologically feasible or "max-tech" level. Based on the Department of Energy's own analysis, gas cooktops at the max-tech level represent just 4% of current market share and exclude all conventional free-stand ranges.

Any rule that causes 96% of the products available today to be eliminated from the market is an extreme regulation. In fact, it is essentially an outright ban on gas stoves.

With this latest rush-to-green policy, the Department of Energy has also failed to take consumer preference into consideration when it comes to gas stove design. To accommodate the DOE’s proposed standards, manufacturers are going to have to make dramatic design changes that result in smaller burners and longer cooking times, as well as smaller grates that could be less stable. Consumers in the kitchen are unlikely to approve of these changes.

Comically, Biden’s Department of Energy is justifying this proposed requirement based on estimated savings to the consumer for gas cooktops of $21.89 over the next 14.5 years, which equates to a savings of just $1.50 per year. People are not willing to trade such substantially decreased functionality and features for minuscule savings.

Once again, the Biden administration proves it is out of touch with the average American.

This radical proposal from the Department of Energy is open for public comment. The public should tell the Biden administration to keep their hands off gas stoves. Comments can be submitted via Regulations.gov through April 3, 2023.

Debbie Lesko is the representative for Arizona’s 8th Congressional District and serves on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/faith-freedom-self-reliance/biden-regulatory-move-to-ban-gas-stoves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274611&forum_id=2#46069612)



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Date: March 18th, 2023 7:42 PM
Author: Rose insane senate rigor

i believe i read that the only way you get asthma from gas stoves, is if you are so poor you are using the stove for heat and running it constantly without proper ventilation. it's crazy how much play the original story got without anyone really reading the paper and figuring out that it didn't apply to the typical gas stove usage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274611&forum_id=2#46069634)



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Date: March 18th, 2023 7:44 PM
Author: Demanding Titillating Messiness Goyim

I did this shit in law school when I was POOR. Heat was electric and cost me $$$. Oven was gas and gas was included in the rent for some stupid reason. Sure did need to use the oven's "self-cleaning" mode a lot lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274611&forum_id=2#46069644)



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Date: March 18th, 2023 7:45 PM
Author: burgundy provocative trump supporter

Also, according to the article above, if your kitchen is is wrapped in plastic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274611&forum_id=2#46069648)