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Who Was the Smartest Human to Ever Live?

I'm going with John von Neumann https://en.wikipedia.org/...
adventurous national useless brakes
  01/21/23
wish you had defined smartest for your purposes in op gre...
Bright hissy fit
  01/22/23
da vinci was smarter than von neumann. i'd probably go with...
Bright hissy fit
  01/21/23
Newton probably, in terms of sheer output and novelty
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  01/21/23
Best answer of this list
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  01/22/23
imagine what he could have accomplished if he pursued the la...
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Chocolate Chad
  01/21/23
Diogenes
Purple Crackhouse Ape
  01/21/23
too bad none of Democritus's works survive, it could have be...
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  01/21/23
ok but who cares about that I am talking about Diogenes who ...
Purple Crackhouse Ape
  01/21/23
ok
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  01/21/23
thx
Purple Crackhouse Ape
  01/21/23
Saying von Neumann is smarter than Einstein is pretty suspec...
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  01/21/23
einstein was a fraud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkMi...
Bright hissy fit
  01/21/23
...
frozen state
  01/21/23
vN was almost certainly higher IQ than Einstein. Einstein ma...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/21/23
You’ve actually artificially narrowed the question to ...
Umber heaven
  01/22/23
Questions need to be artificially narrowed, as this one plai...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
Either von Neumann or Xenophon
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  01/21/23
Since the population is larger now and because of assortativ...
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  01/21/23
Einstein. Speed is not intelligence. Einstein's understandin...
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It's pretty insane to me that Einstein discovered the photoe...
Saffron Submissive Space
  01/21/23
1. Hertz discovered the photoelectric effect. Planck had alr...
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...
rose titillating jap parlor
  01/22/23
Poincaré was in his fifties and wouldn't live for muc...
razzmatazz water buffalo
  01/22/23
"lmao" except Poincaré already put forward ...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
did you even read the article you posted?
razzmatazz water buffalo
  01/22/23
Did you even attend to the context and my precise statement?
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
Hawking went decades believing Einstein was wrong in his und...
offensive box office
  01/21/23
He was wrong about quantum foundations (EPR/argument with Bo...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/21/23
No he wasn't. Einstein was right and we haven't caught up ye...
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  01/21/23
It really is incredible that Einstein approached the subject...
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  01/22/23
...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
Michael O. Church
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  01/21/23
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magical messiness
  01/25/23
von neumann was 180. obviously a mega genius but also terrif...
carnelian brethren
  01/21/23
He “converted” due to Pascal’s wager, he d...
Bright hissy fit
  01/21/23
yeah and im glad he's of an example of that. so many a...
carnelian brethren
  01/21/23
Ibram X. Kendi
dark geriatric weed whacker chapel
  01/21/23
...
Vivacious walnut property
  01/21/23
He's a true genius
adventurous national useless brakes
  01/21/23
Goethe, To be fair, and Consuela
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  01/21/23
TBF is certainly the smartest on xo
duck-like den selfie
  01/21/23
To be fair, (TBF)
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/21/23
'Sup?
Aphrodisiac stage depressive
  01/21/23
Narendra Modi
Vibrant resort
  01/21/23
+1
offensive box office
  01/21/23
Probably unknown. Of people known, candidates are, e.g., Gau...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/21/23
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_inventions_of_Leon...
Bright hissy fit
  01/21/23
https://allthatsinteresting.com/johann-carl-friedrich-gauss ...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/21/23
Feynman.
Violent corner
  01/21/23
There's a story about Feynman as a student learning about th...
Magenta startled forum
  01/21/23
To be fair, So a Jew comes up with more Jewish bullshit? ...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/21/23
Despite not being a physicist and working with rudimentary t...
Magenta startled forum
  01/21/23
Jesus Christ. Omniscience.
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
“to ever live”
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
DING. The right snide remark was to debate whether he was Go...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
I’m sure you’re correct that literal retards wou...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
cr Dr. Richard Carrier’s book On the Historicity of...
arousing demanding nibblets
  01/21/23
Lol fag. “Virtually all scholars of antiquity see t...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
It’s because the current scholars are mostly all Chris...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/21/23
I didn’t consider that Pumonymous was an ahead of the ...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
Wait
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/21/23
Cool quote copied and pasted from Wikipedia, moron. If you l...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
You’re breaking new ground buddy. I can’t wait t...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
You too, pal. As soon as you publish something in the field ...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
It's a fringe opinion, brother.
adventurous national useless brakes
  01/21/23
one which happens to hold the weight of evidence. not that i...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
CR I heard that 90% of historians now agree, if you believe ...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
watching holocaust and climate change deniers appeal to acad...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
Zing! That’s a bingo! bam! One shot kill! Etc etc. o...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/21/23
...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
Hey, if the (((experts))) of today are saying that Jesus nev...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
i mean, the fact of the matter doesnt really make a differen...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
Then it’s not really worth engaging, is it?
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
for you probably not
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
The experts mostly aren’t saying that, moron. Jesus ne...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
Wait till I tell you what 90% of sociologists believe about ...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
Tell me. It’s small dick guys right? The white los...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/21/23
You’re talking about the theory of white supremacy tha...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
You’re the one who started whining about what scholars...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
To be fair, Let's put aside the fact that many modern aca...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/21/23
fascinating. i definitely read this whole thing. btw, what's...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
To be fair, Oh wow, a smug sarcastic faggot didn't read m...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/21/23
you have so much evidence to choose from just pick one
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
"1000+ years"? Critical biblical scholarship only ...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
To be fair, "Critical Bible scholarship doesn't even...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/21/23
Uh... I never said that every single European elite would ha...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
To be fair, "Who gives a shit -- what the fuck did a...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/21/23
So you think medieval scholarship on ancient times was super...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
To be fair, I think that we "know" a lot more a...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/22/23
Bizarre analogy. So now medieval church authorities were sup...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/22/23
To be fair, (Guy who just can't seem to grasp the point) ...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/22/23
Maybe because your "point" is retarded gibberish t...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/22/23
Of course it is, but we are past the point where you can jus...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
These reasons have survived peer review—twice In th...
Purple Crackhouse Ape
  01/21/23
...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
No one is saying that it’s been proven. Did you even r...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
i love the cope in these threads
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
mase is responding emotionally, which means its triggering h...
arousing demanding nibblets
  01/21/23
Credited. I don’t get the freak out. It must be upbr...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/21/23
...
arousing demanding nibblets
  01/21/23
I don’t have a problem engaging with the argument; I w...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
Cool cool. Check it out. It will take a couple weeks to do i...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/21/23
Not sure what I ever posted that you found to be "assur...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
he's angry because he's low IQ and the cognitive dissonance ...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
Okay that is actually true
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
hang in there buddy
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
i like mase, think he's high IQ, and is rarely rattled. so ...
arousing demanding nibblets
  01/21/23
Yeah, I jumped in too hot here. I’m still highly skept...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
happens to the best of us, no worries
arousing demanding nibblets
  01/21/23
To be fair, In your defense, 90% of the types you are dea...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/21/23
That’s accurate.
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
"absolutely infuriating" "very easy to get...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
No facial challenge it seems.
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
You're done here
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
I was actually planning to read up and do a write up another...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
To be fair, Yeah, fair point, *checks notes* "oth...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/22/23
I love how you said it with such certainty originally, like ...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
What the fuck are you babbling about, you giant retard? I ne...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
It’s an obvious effort at distraction. XO 101:”...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/21/23
That’s true. You never said those exact words.
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
So in your opinion, the following two statements are essenti...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
I hate to make white noise here but I’m glad to see yo...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/21/23
I took that as the tone of your initial response, but I&rsqu...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
To be fair, You are probably technically correct here (su...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/21/23
Lol at you of all people ever saying that anyone else comes ...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
To be fair, I'm the smuggest faggot on this bort. That...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/22/23
Jesus didn't really contribute much to mathematics, philosop...
adventurous national useless brakes
  01/21/23
That’s fair.
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
Agree about mathematics and science, but philosophy?
Purple Crackhouse Ape
  01/21/23
warmed over Stoicism
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/22/23
Whoops
adventurous national useless brakes
  01/22/23
Can someone explain why Goethe is on this list? Because h...
Saffron Submissive Space
  01/21/23
Goethe was a top-rank stateman, man of letters, and philosop...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/21/23
Aha. ha ha
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  01/21/23
...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/21/23
Linus Torvalds
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  01/21/23
almost certainly someone youve never heard of who lived an o...
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  01/21/23
Credited, some lens-grinder or locksmith somewhere in the la...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/21/23
Putin
Chocolate Chad
  01/21/23
Ayn Rand
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  01/21/23
Some random Autist no one ever hear of.
Brilliant Rambunctious Boiling Water Institution
  01/21/23
cr, diogenes
Purple Crackhouse Ape
  01/21/23
Michael O. Church?
bistre telephone
  01/21/23
Random autistic blacksmith dude living in Bavaria in the 153...
Brilliant Rambunctious Boiling Water Institution
  01/21/23
The Bible says that King Solomon was the WISEST man to ever ...
Hairless Area Dragon
  01/21/23
I don’t know if you’ve read the newest studies, ...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
Some radical shitlib kikes are even claiming that Adam and E...
Filthy flesh lay
  01/21/23
They’re saying now that the dark ages never happened e...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
wow lol @ these absurd fedora wearing neckbeards. Without th...
Purple Crackhouse Ape
  01/21/23
I’ve heard it was a premordial sort of soup. Hard to v...
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
To be fair, Jeez Louise, looking back on it, I can't figu...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/22/23
My catholic school teacher said the were an allegory and not...
offensive box office
  01/21/23
I think Luther and Aquinas both wrote in agreement there.
Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess
  01/21/23
Dr. Donald John Trump followed by Chris Langan
beady-eyed toaster
  01/22/23
Re: the spirited discussion upthread, I'll note that Richard...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
brother please end this discussion by poasting your favorite...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/22/23
"it makes you look retarded" -- hey, if you want m...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
what's laughable is that Christians are still defending a fa...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/22/23
I'm not Christian; I thought we were talking about the histo...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
WE arent, youre just attacking Richard Carrier. i asked you ...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/22/23
OK, from DID JESUS EXIST? THE HISTORICAL ARGUMENT FOR JESUS ...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
Well you missed the point in your references but you did ina...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/22/23
TY; in fairness I'll note that it should be treated as an un...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
The Bayesian criticism isn’t that big a deal. You just...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/22/23
I don't know what game he's supposed to be playing. The peop...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
Let’s try to keep each other on track, if possible. ...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/22/23
who cares who he fucks. wtf is wrong with you
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/22/23
What's wrong with me for caring about the character of someo...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
there's nothing wrong with being poly
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/22/23
To be fair, "There's nothing wrong with being poly, ...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/22/23
Rules of evidence would allow past instances of dishonesty t...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/22/23
I'm not interested in the argument about Christ's historicit...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/22/23
I'll note that you edited your response after I'd already re...
Low-t aqua temple
  01/23/23
I wasn't being snarky--I was just correcting myself. You di...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/23/23
the other gospels all use Mark as a source, and mark was wri...
Pearl irate yarmulke
  01/22/23
Agreed but this always comes up. Again, for me the issue...
Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness
  01/22/23
And Josephus? Sounds like you're just doing faith-based a...
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  01/22/23
sorry you wasted your time, but ive seen all these arguments...
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  01/22/23
To be fair, "...PS: There's nothing wrong with being...
Claret angry trump supporter
  01/22/23
The link is not convincing on a number of points. The Os...
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  01/22/23
You fixate on a tertiary point and even then fair to address...
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  01/22/23
I’m not going to type out every way this scholar gives...
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  01/22/23
Jesus and its not even close
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You and some others above look at Jesus as some kind of Marv...
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interesting debate about the historicity of Jesus ITT & ...
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von neumann is the consensus pick among nerds who've studied...
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>however, his fields of study (and perhaps some lack of c...
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To be fair, "among nerds who've studied this" ...
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  01/22/23
the argument for von neumann is basically "he had super...
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To be fair Right, he was an insanely gifted fucking scien...
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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:16 AM
Author: adventurous national useless brakes

I'm going with John von Neumann

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann

Recognition

Cognitive abilities

Nobel Laureate Hans Bethe said "I have sometimes wondered whether a brain like von Neumann's does not indicate a species superior to that of man",[40] and later Bethe wrote that "[von Neumann's] brain indicated a new species, an evolution beyond man".[451] Paul Halmos states that "von Neumann's speed was awe-inspiring."[416] Israel Halperin said: "Keeping up with him was ... impossible. The feeling was you were on a tricycle chasing a racing car."[452] Edward Teller admitted that he "never could keep up with him".[453] Teller also said "von Neumann would carry on a conversation with my 3-year-old son, and the two of them would talk as equals, and I sometimes wondered if he used the same principle when he talked to the rest of us."[454] Peter Lax wrote "Von Neumann was addicted to thinking, and in particular to thinking about mathematics".[449] Claude Shannon called him "the smartest person I’ve ever met", a common opinion.[455]

When George Dantzig brought von Neumann an unsolved problem in linear programming "as I would to an ordinary mortal", on which there had been no published literature, he was astonished when von Neumann said "Oh, that!", before offhandedly giving a lecture of over an hour, explaining how to solve the problem using the hitherto unconceived theory of duality.[456]

Lothar Wolfgang Nordheim described von Neumann as the "fastest mind I ever met",[457] and Jacob Bronowski wrote "He was the cleverest man I ever knew, without exception. He was a genius."[458] George Pólya, whose lectures at ETH Zürich von Neumann attended as a student, said "Johnny was the only student I was ever afraid of. If in the course of a lecture I stated an unsolved problem, the chances were he'd come to me at the end of the lecture with the complete solution scribbled on a slip of paper."[459] Enrico Fermi told physicist Herbert L. Anderson: "You know, Herb, Johnny can do calculations in his head ten times as fast as I can! And I can do them ten times as fast as you can, Herb, so you can see how impressive Johnny is!"[460]

Eugene Wigner described him in this way: "I have known a great many intelligent people in my life. I knew Max Planck, Max von Laue, and Werner Heisenberg. Paul Dirac was my brother-in-Law; Leo Szilard and Edward Teller have been among my closest friends; and Albert Einstein was a good friend, too. And I have known many of the brightest younger scientists. But none of them had a mind as quick and acute as Jancsi von Neumann. I have often remarked this in the presence of those men, and no one ever disputed me. You saw immediately the quickness and power of von Neumann's mind. He understood mathematical problems not only in their initial aspect, but in their full complexity. Swiftly, effortlessly, he delved deeply into the details of the most complex scientific problem. He retained it all. His mind seemed a perfect instrument, with gears machined to mesh accurately to one thousandth of an inch."[461]

Halmos recounts a story told by Nicholas Metropolis, concerning the speed of von Neumann's calculations, when somebody asked von Neumann to solve the famous fly puzzle:[462]

Two bicyclists start 20 miles apart and head toward each other, each going at a steady rate of 10 mph. At the same time a fly that travels at a steady 15 mph starts from the front wheel of the southbound bicycle and flies to the front wheel of the northbound one, then turns around and flies to the front wheel of the southbound one again, and continues in this manner till he is crushed between the two front wheels. Question: what total distance did the fly cover? The slow way to find the answer is to calculate what distance the fly covers on the first, southbound, leg of the trip, then on the second, northbound, leg, then on the third, etc., etc., and, finally, to sum the infinite series so obtained.

The quick way is to observe that the bicycles meet exactly one hour after their start, so that the fly had just an hour for his travels; the answer must therefore be 15 miles.

When the question was put to von Neumann, he solved it in an instant, and thereby disappointed the questioner: "Oh, you must have heard the trick before!" "What trick?" asked von Neumann, "All I did was sum the geometric series."[463]

Wigner told a similar story, only with a swallow instead of a fly, and says it was Max Born who posed the question to von Neumann in the 1920s.[464]

Similarly, when the first computers he was helping develop were completed, simple tests like "what is the lowest power of 2 that has the number 7 in the fourth position from the end?" were conducted to ensure their accuracy. For modern computers this would take only a fraction of a second but for the first computers Johnny would race against them in calculation, and win.[416]

Accolades and anecdotes were not limited to those from the physical or mathematical sciences either, neurophysiologist Leon Harmon, described him in a similar manner, "Von Neumann was a true genius, the only one I've ever known. I've met Einstein and Oppenheimer and Teller and—who's Norbert Wiener? I don't mean McCulloch, but a mathematician. Anyway, a whole bunch of those other guys. Von Neumann was the only genius I ever met. The others were supersmart .... And great prima donnas. But von Neumann's mind was all-encompassing. He could solve problems in any domain. ... And his mind was always working, always restless."[465] US President Dwight D. Eisenhower considered him "the outstanding mathematician of the time".[466] While consulting for non-academic projects von Neumann's combination of outstanding scientific ability and practicality gave him a high credibility with military officers, engineers, industrialists and scientists that no other scientist could match. In nuclear missilery he was considered "the clearly dominant advisory figure" according to Herbert York whose opinions "everyone took very seriously".[467] Nicholas Kaldor said he was "unquestionably the nearest thing to a genius I have ever encountered."[285] Paul Samuelson, "We economists are grateful for von Neumann's genius. It is not for us to calculate whether he was a Gauss, or a Poincaré, or a Hilbert. He was the incomparable Johnny von Neumann. He darted briefly into our domain and it has never been the same since."[468]

Even for writer Arthur Koestler, who was not an academic, von Neumann was "one of the few people for whom Koestler entertained not only respect but reverence, and he shared Koestler's Central European addiction to abstruse philosophical discussions, political debate, and dirty jokes. The two of them derived considerable pleasure from discussing the state of American civilization (was it in crisis or simply at the stage of adolescence?), the likely future of Europe (would there be war?), free will versus determinism, and the definition of pregnancy (“the uterus taking seriously what was pointed at it in fun”)."[469]

He is often given as an example that mathematicians could do great work in the physical sciences too, however R. D. Richtmyer describes how during von Neumann's time at Los Alamos he functioned not as a mathematician applying his art to physics problems, but rather entirely as a physicist in the mind and thought (except faster). He describes him as a first-rate physicist who knew quantum mechanics, atomic, molecular, and nuclear physics, particle physics, astrophysics, relativity, and physical and organic chemistry. As such any mathematician who does not possess the same talent as von Neumann should not be fooled into thinking physics is easy just because they study mathematics.[470]

Eidetic memory

Von Neumann was also noted for his eidetic memory, particularly of the symbolic kind. Herman Goldstine writes:

One of his remarkable abilities was his power of absolute recall. As far as I could tell, von Neumann was able on once reading a book or article to quote it back verbatim; moreover, he could do it years later without hesitation. He could also translate it at no diminution in speed from its original language into English. On one occasion I tested his ability by asking him to tell me how A Tale of Two Cities started. Whereupon, without any pause, he immediately began to recite the first chapter and continued until asked to stop after about ten or fifteen minutes.[471]

Von Neumann was reportedly able to memorize the pages of telephone directories. He entertained friends by asking them to randomly call out page numbers; he then recited the names, addresses and numbers therein.[40][472] In his autobiography Stanislaw Ulam writes that Johnny's memory was auditory rather than visual. He did not have to any extent an intuitive 'common sense' for guessing what may happen in a given physical situation.[473]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819354)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:32 PM
Author: Bright hissy fit

wish you had defined smartest for your purposes in op

greatest intellectual processing speed? best memory? greatest impact? most inventions? most ahead of his time? best engineer or theoreticist or military strategist? most impressive to his contemporaries? most spiritual impact?

poasters below are just picking their own definition & running with it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45826121)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:18 AM
Author: Bright hissy fit

da vinci was smarter than von neumann. i'd probably go with him, aristotle, or nikola tesla

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819357)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:19 AM
Author: hilarious histrionic round eye

Newton probably, in terms of sheer output and novelty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819359)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:19 AM
Author: rose titillating jap parlor

Best answer of this list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824396)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:19 AM
Author: Supple Violent Turdskin Shrine

imagine what he could have accomplished if he pursued the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819360)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:23 PM
Author: Chocolate Chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823292)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:20 AM
Author: Purple Crackhouse Ape

Diogenes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819361)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:20 AM
Author: Bright hissy fit

too bad none of Democritus's works survive, it could have been him (theory of atomism). he was a polymath who had written works on a breathless array of topics, a far from complete list of his titles includes On History, On Nature, The Science of Medicine, On the Tangents of the Circle and the Sphere, On Irrational Lines and Solids, On the Causes of Celestial Phenomena, On the Causes of Atmospheric Phenomena, On Reflected Images

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819366)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:22 AM
Author: Purple Crackhouse Ape

ok but who cares about that I am talking about Diogenes who lived in a barrel and talked shit to the face of Alexander the Great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819370)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:23 AM
Author: Bright hissy fit

ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819373)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:26 AM
Author: Purple Crackhouse Ape

thx

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819392)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:23 AM
Author: Glittery shimmering school cafeteria party of the first part

Saying von Neumann is smarter than Einstein is pretty suspect. Being able to come up with General Relativity impresses me a lot more than being able to do math problems quickly in your head.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819374)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:23 AM
Author: Bright hissy fit

einstein was a fraud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkMiWH4n1lw&t=2s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819381)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:36 PM
Author: frozen state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823052)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:24 AM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

vN was almost certainly higher IQ than Einstein. Einstein may have been a deeper thinker, or more creative, or had more penetrating insights, or had other good normative qualities -- but then, that seems to broaden the question such that perhaps we should be asking about wisdom, or foresight, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820503)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:40 AM
Author: Umber heaven

You’ve actually artificially narrowed the question to IQ when those other attributes are more important for being smart.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824050)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 6:00 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

Questions need to be artificially narrowed, as this one plainly was by OP, lest every inquiry devolve into normative thumbsucking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45826609)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:23 AM
Author: Hairraiser doobsian library

Either von Neumann or Xenophon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819375)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:23 AM
Author: impertinent gaping

Since the population is larger now and because of assortative Clique-based mating, the smartest hunan of all time is some anonymous Nerd with 5000 parents. Discuss.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819379)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:38 AM
Author: offensive box office

Einstein. Speed is not intelligence. Einstein's understanding of the Universe with the limited information he had back then still outpaces anyone alive today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819437)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:31 PM
Author: Saffron Submissive Space

It's pretty insane to me that Einstein discovered the photoelectric effect, relativity, and the relationship between mass and energy.

A lot of these accomplishments are just a smart person being at the right time in the right place, but his accomplishments seem to be things we wouldn't have figured out for another 50 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823040)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:42 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

1. Hertz discovered the photoelectric effect. Planck had already proposed it was quantized. Einstein made a quantum leap there.

2. Poincaré (or another) would have discovered relativity had Einstein not done so.

3. Re: "the relationship between mass and energy," you seem confused. See https://faculty.washington.edu/seattle/physics544/Eismc2/2009%20Hecht%20Einstein's%20E%20and%20m%20AJP.pdf

Abstract:

>>>

ABSTRACT

This paper explores the evolution of Einstein’s understanding of mass and energy. Early on, Einstein embraced the idea of a speed-dependent mass but changed his mind in 1906 and thereafter carefully avoided that notion entirely. He shunned, and explicitly rejected, what later came to be known as “relativistic mass.” Nonetheless many textbooks and articles credit him with the relation 𝐸=𝑚𝑐2

, where 𝐸

is the total energy, 𝑚

is the relativistic mass, and 𝑐

is the vacuum speed of light. Einstein never derived this relation, at least not with that understanding of the meaning of its terms. He consistently related the “rest energy” of a system to its invariant inertial mass.

EDIT: I'll add for completeness that Gibbs scooped Einstein, and with more rigor, on statistical mechanics foundations. See https://www.jstor.org/stable/41134058

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823083)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:12 AM
Author: rose titillating jap parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824393)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:56 AM
Author: razzmatazz water buffalo

Poincaré was in his fifties and wouldn't live for much longer when relativity was discovered, lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824833)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:00 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

"lmao" except Poincaré already put forward a theory of relativity in 1905, "lmao".

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824848)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:17 PM
Author: razzmatazz water buffalo

did you even read the article you posted?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824914)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:18 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

Did you even attend to the context and my precise statement?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824926)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:51 PM
Author: offensive box office

Hawking went decades believing Einstein was wrong in his understanding of black holes and then finally realized, with decades of new evidence, that Einstein was right all along. In addition to being right, the man has never been wrong. We keep thinking he was and then realizing it's us who are wrong, Einstein was always right, even with far more limited evidence at his disposal. The man's intuitive understanding of the Universe is unrivaled.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823137)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:56 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

He was wrong about quantum foundations (EPR/argument with Bohr) and wasted much of his life on it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823149)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:37 PM
Author: offensive box office

No he wasn't. Einstein was right and we haven't caught up yet. God does not in fact play dice with the universe and our current understanding of quantum physics is predicated on the presumption that the world changes based on whether we are observing it or not. Just think about that for a minute. Hawking believed he was right for decades. Let's see what happens to the world of quantum physics 100 years from now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823611)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:14 AM
Author: rose titillating jap parlor

It really is incredible that Einstein approached the subject with such dogmatism.

https://youtu.be/GOJFznzSZhM?t=2764

"Albert Einstein's looking glum because he's lost the argument [vs Bohr regarding quantum physics]"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824394)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:12 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45825990)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:44 AM
Author: clear gaming laptop ticket booth

Michael O. Church

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819469)



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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:19 PM
Author: magical messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45842771)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:46 AM
Author: carnelian brethren

von neumann was 180. obviously a mega genius but also terrified of death and eventually a convert to the catholic faith

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819477)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:11 AM
Author: Bright hissy fit

He “converted” due to Pascal’s wager, he didn’t actually believe, just his utter terror at the unknown of death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820337)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:28 AM
Author: carnelian brethren

yeah and im glad he's of an example of that.

so many atheists and people with other faggy beliefs want you to think its low iq to be terrified of death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820514)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:46 AM
Author: dark geriatric weed whacker chapel

Ibram X. Kendi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819480)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 12:57 AM
Author: Vivacious walnut property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45819563)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:17 AM
Author: adventurous national useless brakes

He's a true genius

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820483)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:12 AM
Author: gay pungent mexican antidepressant drug

Goethe, To be fair, and Consuela

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820340)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:11 AM
Author: duck-like den selfie

TBF is certainly the smartest on xo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820459)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

(TBF)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823443)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:20 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac stage depressive

'Sup?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820350)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:13 AM
Author: Vibrant resort

Narendra Modi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820466)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:03 PM
Author: offensive box office

+1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823700)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:20 AM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

Probably unknown. Of people known, candidates are, e.g., Gauss, Euler, Aristotle, vN, Newton, Shakespeare, Goethe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820492)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:23 AM
Author: Bright hissy fit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_inventions_of_Leonardo_da_Vinci



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820499)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:31 AM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

https://allthatsinteresting.com/johann-carl-friedrich-gauss

Also see generally Murray, Human Accomplishment, which quantitatively supports my list.

If we're doing arts, I think I'd name Bach & Michelangelo before da Vinci. If engineering, da Vinci wouldn't rate; I'd include people like Archimedes, Gibbs, William George Armstrong, etc. (Also Lord Kelvin, Whewell, Kolmogorov, Maxwell, etc. deserve consideration.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820528)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:41 AM
Author: Violent corner

Feynman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820575)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:08 AM
Author: Magenta startled forum

There's a story about Feynman as a student learning about the double slit experiment. He asks the professor what would happen if, instead of two slits in a single sheet of paper, there were infinite slits in infinite sheets of paper. This would later lead to modern quantum field theory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820728)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:54 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

So a Jew comes up with more Jewish bullshit? Got it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823452)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:03 AM
Author: Magenta startled forum

Despite not being a physicist and working with rudimentary telescopes in th 18th century, Immanuel Kant theorized that dim smudges of light were actually distant galaxies similar to our own, and that stars and galaxies formed from clouds of dust and gas collapsing under gravity. We wouldn't have concrete observational evidence of this until the 20th century. Kant isn't even known for this, and he didn't have any novel observations, technology or equations, just godlike intuition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820698)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:03 AM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

Jesus Christ. Omniscience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45820701)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:47 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

“to ever live”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823112)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:57 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

DING. The right snide remark was to debate whether he was God. Saying he never existed on the other hand is so retarded that even literal retards would disagree with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823161)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:04 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

I’m sure you’re correct that literal retards would disagree with me, but plenty of scholars would agree that it’s a respectable opinion.

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/21420

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823188)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:05 PM
Author: arousing demanding nibblets

cr

Dr. Richard Carrier’s book On the Historicity of Jesus (OHJ) is a very dense but thorough literature review of the prevailing scholarship relevant to the issue of whether Jesus was a real person or not, plus his own assessment of the evidence. His conclusion is that there is at best a ≈32% chance that Jesus was an actual person (and at worse it is ≈0.008%). He makes this conclusion using Bayesian statistics. To prove historicity, Dr. Carrier determines the prior probability of Jesus’ historicity, and then surveys the relevant evidence of Jesus’ historicity (i.e., extrabiblical sources, Acts, Gospels, Epistles), juxtaposed to his minimalist mythology theory (h) with the minimalist historical theory (¬h), and assigns percentage values as to how consistent the relevant evidence is to each theory. Next, Dr. Carrier imports these figures into Bayes’ theorem to determine the probability of Jesus’ historicity. To be honest, at first, prior to reading the book, I was not convinced he could make a persuasive case for an actual percentage using Bayesian statistics, because the probability of a theory is always going to be subjective. Yet, when I read the book, I found the statistics he uses appear to be fair especially the ones he uses to give historicity the benefit of the doubt. Nevertheless, it still is a value judgment he advances for the theory. But, in the end, the analysis is comprehensive and persuasive.

To paraphrase, Dr. Carrier’s minimalist mythology theory (¬h) is that that Jesus did not exist as a person, rather he was a celestial figure, who died in heaven, battling Satan, and whom Christians learned about through revelation and scripture after which Christians created mythical stories about. (OHJ, at 34.) His minimalist historical theory (h) (also paraphrased) is that that Jesus was a man, who had acquired followers (and the followers continued as an identifiable movement after his death), and Jesus was executed by the Jewish or Roman authorities. (OHJ, at 53.) That’s pretty minimal as you can get.

After setting up the various theories, and before getting into the analysis, Dr. Carrier presents an elaborate discussion of background information one needs to fully understand the analysis that he is about to present. He calls these “Elements” and often refers to them when he makes a point. The one area that I think is lacking in this background information is a clear understanding of Jewish sources, which he cites to and uses from time to time. Specifically, when he discusses Jewish sources, like the Talmud, it does not seem like he has a good grasp on them, and his analysis lacks the thorough treatment that he provides with other source material. For example, he briefly only mentions, without much discussion the topic of Mashiach ben Yoseph and Mashiach ben David and admits that although it was the product of the Middle Ages, “it is clear from the Talmud that the outline of it long predated that period”. (OHJ, 75.) He could have consulted to relevant contemporary Jewish sources to flesh this out and explain its relevance. This is only one minor issue, and I don’t think it detracts from his overall thesis or the persuasiveness of the book.

The extrabiblical evidence that Dr. Carrier discusses is Clement’s Epistle and the works of Ignatius, Papias, Hegesippus, Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus, Suetonius and Thallus. Perhaps, the most controversial argument that Dr. Carrier has here is that Josephus’ Testimonium Flavianum and his reference to James, being the brother of Jesus, were complete interpolations, because, as Dr. Carrier readily admits, the current historical consensus is against him. But, that does not matter, and even if we admit the passages are authentic, it hardly constitutes concrete evidence for historicity, since Josephus was not a contemporary and does not cite his sources. It's just unsourced hearsay.

Moreover, Dr. Carrier’s discussion of the Acts, Gospels, and Epistles is very enlightening. His central argument is that Paul’s Epistle (the authentic ones) are the earliest sources of Christianity that we have, and they remarkably say very little to nothing about an actual, living Jesus. As Dr. Carrier points out, Paul states that whatever he learned, he learned from revelation and scripture. He also disclaimed any learning from the other apostles. Dr. Carrier posits that the Christianity of Paul perhaps only knew of a Jesus who died in the heavens, i.e., there was no living and dying Jesus. Juxtaposed to these documents, Dr. Carrier points out that the Acts and Gospels are written in a very myth-like manner. For example, the Gospels basically rewrite certain stories in the Torah and update them thematically to fit the life of Jesus.

Although Dr. Carrier's reasoning to his conclusion is sound, one issue that I have is that he lacks a clearly unifying explanation or theory as to why the Christianity of Paul – or proto-Christianity – evolved from an understanding of a celestial being dying in the heavens, to a religion whose article of faith became a living and dying Savior Messiah. As Dr. Carrier notes, we have a dearth of information from the relevant time-period culminating to the creation of the Gospels (mostly because the Church destroyed anything it found heretical, which ironically would have been the Christianity of Paul). Yet, Dr. Carrier does not give a thorough analysis who had the means, motive, and opportunity to compose the Gospels. As Dr. Carrier points out the Gospels as works of amazing literature, even if they are not history. And, writing the Gospels was no small project. Presenting the various actors and factions that would have the means, motive, and opportunity to create the Gospels would be helpful.

All in all, I think Dr. Carrier did a good job both summarizing the relevant evidence and putting a well-reasoned argument for why there is at best a ≈32% chance that Jesus was an actual person. Highly recommended.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823195)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:17 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

Lol fag.

“Virtually all scholars of antiquity see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted, and in modern scholarship, the Christ myth theory is a fringe theory and finds virtually no support from scholars.”

But please, continue to post fringe takes from retards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823257)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:21 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

It’s because the current scholars are mostly all Christians. Wait a generation and see how Carrier is treated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823277)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:25 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

I didn’t consider that Pumonymous was an ahead of the curve historian of antiquity. That’s on me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823299)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:30 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Wait

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823313)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:27 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

Cool quote copied and pasted from Wikipedia, moron. If you look at the citations for that quote, most of them are from 20+ years ago, whereas the list I provided is of much more recent scholarly opinions.

Also, lol at whining about fringe takes on a website where people regularly espouse race realism, anti-vaxism, Holocaust denial, moon-landing conspiracy theories, etc. as viable positions. What do the scholars quoted on Wikipedia say about those topics? Go back to Reddit if you want to only discuss institutionally approved orthodox goodthink.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823305)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:33 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

You’re breaking new ground buddy. I can’t wait to read when you get published.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823328)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:41 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

You too, pal. As soon as you publish something in the field of ancient history, let me know so I can buy a copy. Until then, you are presumably just as unqualified to opine on the issue, yes?

In the meantime you can read some of the already published peer-reviewed monographs arguing that Jesus never existed. They are linked to in the list I posted above. Hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823391)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:20 PM
Author: adventurous national useless brakes

It's a fringe opinion, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823272)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:28 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

one which happens to hold the weight of evidence. not that it matters to Christians

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823309)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:34 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

CR I heard that 90% of historians now agree, if you believe Jesus was a real person you’re a fucking rube.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823336)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:35 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

watching holocaust and climate change deniers appeal to academic authority is fucking SWEET

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823344)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:39 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Zing! That’s a bingo! bam! One shot kill! Etc etc. okay (blows brains out)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823369)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:39 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823374)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:40 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

Hey, if the (((experts))) of today are saying that Jesus never existed then doggone it that’s good enough for me. Throw out everything before this, Richard Carrier has a mouthpiece directly to my ear and everyone else can go fuck themselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823381)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:42 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

i mean, the fact of the matter doesnt really make a difference to you anyway. you'd deny irrefutable evidence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823396)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:42 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

Then it’s not really worth engaging, is it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823399)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:43 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

for you probably not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823402)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:51 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

The experts mostly aren’t saying that, moron. Jesus never existing is absolutely still a minority opinion. But there are more than enough experts calling it a respectable opinion (some of whom agree with that opinion and some of whom don’t) that you cannot dismiss it as retardation. How are you unable to grasp this very basic point?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823434)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:38 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

Wait till I tell you what 90% of sociologists believe about white supremacy and the patriarchy. Don’t forget to get vaxxed and boosted — 99% of biologists recommend it!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823367)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:39 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Tell me.

It’s small dick guys right? The white loser thing? That’s what the sociologists say, right? I fucking knew it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823376)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:42 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

You’re talking about the theory of white supremacy that’s mostly come into view in the past twenty years? I believe it wholeheartedly, since that’s what the experts say now. I love new knowledge!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823398)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

You’re the one who started whining about what scholars believe, retard. I never argued that the new thing is always correct, only that your Wikipedia quote of scholarly opinion, that only retards take this seriously, is no longer even true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823417)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:59 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

Let's put aside the fact that many modern academics are frauds and faggots.

You do realize that there is a huge fundamental difference between scholars continuing to carrying on a historical view that has literally been the dominant view for 1000+ years, and scholars just coming up with some totally new random "hehe" theory from wholecloth like 20 years ago which then quickly becomes the fad in intellectual circles, when it comes to evaluating whether we want to give modern academics and their views on a particular issue any weight. Right?

You do understand that that's night and day, right?

Like, I didn't even really have to type this out, because you already realized these are two completely different postures (even though you seem dead set on conflating them here as though they are basically indistinguishable from one another), and because of that fundamental difference, someone can indeed say "the vast majority of scholars agree that Jesus was a real historical figure" without opening themselves up to some sort of gay ass "aha well you MUST also believe in STRUCTURAL WHITE SUPREMACY because most modern scholars also believe in that!" rebuttal.... right?

Right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823462)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:07 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

fascinating. i definitely read this whole thing. btw, what's your favorite piece of evidence of the Historicity of Jesus?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823500)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:25 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

Oh wow, a smug sarcastic faggot didn't read my poast on the internet (but did take the time to signal that he didn't read my poast). This is the end!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823573)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:38 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

you have so much evidence to choose from just pick one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823617)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:18 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

"1000+ years"? Critical biblical scholarship only goes back a couple hundred years or so. And the nonexistent-Jesus theory has been around nearly that long (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Christ_Myth#History )

I never denied that "the vast majority of scholars agree that Jesus was a real historical figure;" I only denied that questioning it is some retard view. And the analogy to ideologically driven "white supremacy" woke shit may be more apt than you think: unlike most areas of historical scholarship, biblical scholarship has mostly been done by priests and Christian theologians, so hardly an unbiased group of people investigating the issues dispassionately.

For example, in light of modern scholarship, the dominant view of Old Testament patriarchs existing has completely shifted over the past 50 years or so, even among the mainstream scholars who believe Jesus existed. This article may be illuminating: http://ocabs.org/journal/index.php/jocabs/article/viewFile/80/47

Also, I hope you don't expect me to read and respond at length to a whole bunch of screeds from you about this issue. The last time I engaged with you about religion, it ended with you responding "(Faggot.)" to me over and over ( https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5156372&mc=97&forum_id=2 ). So I doubt another exchange with you would be any more productive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823550)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:23 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

"Critical Bible scholarship doesn't even exist yet, you fools -- you can't burn me at the stake for merely questioning whether Jesus Christ exisAAHHHHHHH" screamed the time travelling megafaggot as he was literally burned at the stake for committing the unspeakable heresy of questioning whether Jesus was really the Son of God in 1250, and every single "elite" member of the European society that he was visiting (without a single exception) nodded in total approval as his screams echoed through the cavernous hall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823570)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:36 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

Uh... I never said that every single European elite would have approved of someone burning at the stake for questioning Christianity in 1250. Just that the type of "bible scholarship" that went on in 1250 isn't paid much attention by anyone today. Pretty retarded strawman you attempted there.

The idea that 13th-century scholarship isn't to be taken all that seriously, is a very mainstream scholarly opinion, including among bible scholars who are believing Christians themselves and are very much certain that Jesus existed. Have you ever actually researched the Jesus mythicism issue at all? If so, what are your objections to the theory as laid out by Carrier, Price, et al.? Sounds like you're just making gotcha arguments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823604)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:39 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

"Who gives a shit -- what the fuck did all those old ignorant people know about this topic, anyway?" sneered the megafaggot on the internet who was busy invoking the authority of a bunch of modern experts who... spend their entire professional lives trying to discern what a bunch of 'old ignorant people' knew about 'this topic' (except now they're 1000 years even more removed in time, so in many ways their task is actually harder).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823621)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:51 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

So you think medieval scholarship on ancient times was superior to modern scholarship on ancient times because... the medievals lived closer to the ancient events than we do? That's pretty fucking funny. I'm surprised anyone bothers to be an ancient historian today - they should just look what St. Anselm had to say and take his word for it! After all, he probably had a bunch of extra works of Josephus and Tacitus that have since been lost (and that he never once quoted from, odd case very interesting).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823664)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:17 AM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

I think that we "know" a lot more about "performance practices" of the Baroque Era in 2023 than we did in 1853, but LJL at using that "fact" to say something like "Who gives a shit what Franz Liszt or Johannes Brahms thought about interpreting Bach, we know so much more than they do now that they're basically just a bunch of old irrelevant ignorant guys who cares, look, we REALLY need to be listening to Dr. Jeremy Cohen at Yale, I mean, LOOK BUDDY, he literally got his *PhD* in how to turn mordants and realize trills correctly according to all of the leading sources from Vienna between 1650 an..."

It's just so retarded that there's nothing more to say about it, really. If that's really how you feel, then you're so divorced from reality and how things actually work in the real world and what really matters outside of the gay little academic ivory tower (and I don't mean like street smarts level stuff, I mean even more basic stuff like "hmmm wait so how IS human knowledge passed on from one generation to another?") that you should really just be ignored in conversations like this because you're a naive fucking idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823929)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:34 AM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

Bizarre analogy. So now medieval church authorities were supposedly brilliant savants when it came to doing ancient history...?

What human knowledge about ancient events did medieval writers possess that we lack? I'm not even sure what your argument is supposed to be here since (as I predicted) you seem mainly interested in writing up your little catty screeds and fictional dialogue and sneering insults rather than anything that can be productively addressed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824032)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:36 AM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

(Guy who just can't seem to grasp the point)

Anyway I'm sure you can find a bunch of retarded academic papers written by laughably out of touch academics that "prove" whatever "point" you're making here. Congrats, I hear that means they, and you, are correct! You won!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824038)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:42 AM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

Maybe because your "point" is retarded gibberish that sounds like something spaceporn came up with while high?

"Being a medieval theologian writing about what he thought happened at the origins of his own religion 1000 years earlier, is totally analogous to being a brilliant musician engaging in the musical interpretation of another brilliant musician." Wow... I never thought of it that way! Thanks for once again demonstrating your complete lack of ability to substantively engage on any subject other than Jews or the redneck revolution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824058)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:30 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

Of course it is, but we are past the point where you can just sneeringly dismiss it as something that is “so retarded” to believe. Also, this is xo. You may have noticed that fringe views are welcome here, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823314)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:40 PM
Author: Purple Crackhouse Ape

These reasons have survived peer review—twice

In that case I agree! Nothing that has survived peer review a full TWO times has ever been false!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823383)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:43 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823400)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:43 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

No one is saying that it’s been proven. Did you even read anything else in that blog post? He’s just responding to the extremely common argument of “no scholar takes this at all seriously! It’s just crackpot nonsense!” that we heard from MASE in this thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823401)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:45 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

i love the cope in these threads

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823408)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:47 PM
Author: arousing demanding nibblets

mase is responding emotionally, which means its triggering him based on his upbringing or beliefs. the theory is fringe and quite possibly untrue, but yes, there are a minority of scholars that believe in it. if mase wants to conclusively dismiss it in his mind so that it no longer triggers him emotionally he should read and engage with the underlying arguments; but that is threatening.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823413)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:51 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Credited.

I don’t get the freak out. It must be upbringing.

The thing is, someone reasonably smart could do a take down of the Carrier argument if they put the time in but the whole idea is too offensive to MASE for him to engage fully in.

The no-historical-Jesus argument is a fun little pastime regardless of where you come out on it, and, like Egyptology, you learn something about human nature just as a bonus.

Worth checking out unless it’s too triggering and you have mental vulnerabilities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823432)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: arousing demanding nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823439)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:59 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

I don’t have a problem engaging with the argument; I will commit to read up on new theories against a historical Jesus. I was irritated primarily by what I saw as a guy who was far more assured and smug of an opinion that is objectify fringe. I’m skeptical that the number of primary sources and eyewitness accounts of Jesus will be outweighed by any new writings, I’m skeptical that this theory is catching on in any meaningful sense.

I will retract “retard” and change to “fringe.” Thank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823464)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:07 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Cool cool. Check it out. It will take a couple weeks to do it Justice but see what you think.

We all know the Bayesian assignments of likelihood for individual facts are subjective; that’s low hanging fruit but that’s fine to attack although not exciting or new.

Check back on the topic *after* youve gotten into it a bit. And that will take some time for a dive into the materials enough to be genuinely interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823498)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:21 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

Not sure what I ever posted that you found to be "assured and smug of an opinion," unless you're referring to my initial "to ever live" quip? It would be pretty weird if THAT was what got you so worked up - even you were able to correctly identify that comment as a mere "snide remark."

Also, lol, what "eyewitness accounts of Jesus"? All MAINSTREAM, NON-FRINGE scholars agree that there are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823560)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:03 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

he's angry because he's low IQ and the cognitive dissonance between his insane beliefs and reality is agonizing on a good day. any new information is going to be extremely frustrating for him to deal with

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823485)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:05 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

Okay that is actually true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823490)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:07 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

hang in there buddy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823502)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:06 PM
Author: arousing demanding nibblets

i like mase, think he's high IQ, and is rarely rattled. so it was a fairly unusual off-form moment here imo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823494)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:23 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

Yeah, I jumped in too hot here. I’m still highly skeptical of a mythological Jesus theory, but I shouldn’t have dismissed out of hand before reading about. It is such a rejection of historical record that it was baffling to see it argued for so confidently.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823565)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:24 PM
Author: arousing demanding nibblets

happens to the best of us, no worries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823572)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:29 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

In your defense, 90% of the types you are dealing with on that side of the fence at absolutely infuriating smug "amazing atheist" type faggots who probably still belong to the "I F'in Love Science" Boomer-tier NPC Facebook group and who deserve a swift fist in the face, including several who are poasting ITT right now. It is very easy to get triggered by their presence.

And I say that as someone who is FREQUENTLY a strong critic of modern Christianity and someone who does not personally ascribe to Christian religious beliefs (100% not Jewish, fuck kikes gas them all just in case that needed to be said for the pumos out there).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823584)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:34 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

That’s accurate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823598)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:03 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

"absolutely infuriating"

"very easy to get triggered by their presence"

"deserve a swift fist in the face"

You ever think maybe you take this place a little too seriously?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823699)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:04 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

No facial challenge it seems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823704)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:06 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

You're done here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823707)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:09 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

I was actually planning to read up and do a write up another day. I’ll make sure to ping you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823713)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:23 AM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

Yeah, fair point, *checks notes*

"other guy who also just spent hours of his Saturday night strenuously arguing with retarded strangers about this gay pointless shit on XO (because, just to be clear, he's NOT a faggot who cares too much about dumb shit on the internet)."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823960)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

I love how you said it with such certainty originally, like you legitimately thought that Jesus never existing was a settled issue. Great stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823418)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

What the fuck are you babbling about, you giant retard? I never said anything remotely close to “Jesus never existing is a settled issue.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823444)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:56 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

It’s an obvious effort at distraction. XO 101:”Squeal or Cope?”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823458)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:00 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

That’s true. You never said those exact words.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823473)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:06 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

So in your opinion, the following two statements are essentially equivalent?

1. Plenty of scholars would agree that Jesus not existing is a respectable opinion.

2. Jesus not existing is a settled issue.

State your IQ before I engage you further.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823496)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:08 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

I hate to make white noise here but I’m glad to see you make the effort at holding a poaster any poaster accountable for misstating another’s position. We do that way too much here to the point of frustrating disingenuity so anyway well done. I’ll delete this in a bit so as not to jam up this discussion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823506)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:26 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

I took that as the tone of your initial response, but I’m not as invested in this discussion anymore and came into it too hot. I concede.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823575)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:33 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

You are probably technically correct here (subject to the important distinction I raised above which you are still oddly refusing to acknowledge even though it's obviously true and you just look like an asshole conflating the two stances), but you come off as such a smug "amazing atheist" type faggot on this stuff that I don't blame MASE for getting triggered by you and I say that as someone who does NOT personally believe that Jesus was "the Son of God" as a matter of my own personal religious conviction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823596)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:42 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

Lol at you of all people ever saying that anyone else comes across as a smug faggot. I'm sure your "screams echoed through the cavernous hall" thing would've gotten lots of upvotes on reddit, if written in some other context.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823632)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:21 AM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

I'm the smuggest faggot on this bort.

That literally makes me the ultimate expert on this subject.

You need to trust the experts, retard. What part of that didn't you learn over the last 3 years?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823952)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:27 PM
Author: adventurous national useless brakes

Jesus didn't really contribute much to mathematics, philosophy, or science during his lifetime. Also I'm pretty sure that he wasn't omniscient during his lifetime.

Hebrews 2:9 (ESV)

9But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823304)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:35 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

That’s fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823338)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:41 PM
Author: Purple Crackhouse Ape

Agree about mathematics and science, but philosophy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823389)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:08 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

warmed over Stoicism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824867)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:12 PM
Author: adventurous national useless brakes

Whoops

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824885)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:35 PM
Author: Saffron Submissive Space

Can someone explain why Goethe is on this list?

Because he wrote some literary works that scholars study but no one enjoys?

liberal arts majors want to act like that makes you in the same league as the people who realized that light can be a particle?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823050)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:46 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

Goethe was a top-rank stateman, man of letters, and philosopher, and at minimum a very good scientist (see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goethean_science )

Can you explain why physicists with uneven, autistic cognitive profiles who can't write a literary classic belong on the list with him?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823104)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:51 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Aha. ha ha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823134)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:25 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823300)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 8:43 PM
Author: sexy home

Linus Torvalds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823085)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:02 PM
Author: medicated kitty cat

almost certainly someone youve never heard of who lived an ordinary life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823181)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:10 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Credited, some lens-grinder or locksmith somewhere in the late middle ages just farting around with his garden and workshop 90 percent of the day, laughing to himself at his successful no-effort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823219)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:23 PM
Author: Chocolate Chad

Putin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823288)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:25 PM
Author: Ebony Cracking French Chef Office

Ayn Rand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823301)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:37 PM
Author: Brilliant Rambunctious Boiling Water Institution

Some random Autist no one ever hear of.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823353)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: Purple Crackhouse Ape

cr, diogenes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823437)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:07 PM
Author: bistre telephone

Michael O. Church?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823499)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:09 PM
Author: Brilliant Rambunctious Boiling Water Institution

Random autistic blacksmith dude living in Bavaria in the 1530s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823511)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:35 PM
Author: Hairless Area Dragon

The Bible says that King Solomon was the WISEST man to ever live, or who ever will live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823601)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:39 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

I don’t know if you’ve read the newest studies, but it’s very likely that Solomon, Jesus etc. never existed. I wouldn’t know. Still sorting through the literature.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823622)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:52 PM
Author: Filthy flesh lay

Some radical shitlib kikes are even claiming that Adam and Eve weren't real. What a bunch of fedora-tipping Reddit queers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823670)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:54 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

They’re saying now that the dark ages never happened either. Crazy how much history we’re losing these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823673)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:54 PM
Author: Purple Crackhouse Ape

wow lol @ these absurd fedora wearing neckbeards. Without the first humans, where would other humans have come from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823674)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:56 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

I’ve heard it was a premordial sort of soup. Hard to verify though. No primary sources from back then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823681)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:24 AM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

Jeez Louise, looking back on it, I can't figure out why I described you like this here, oh man what the hell was I thinking?!

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823584

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823966)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:05 PM
Author: offensive box office

My catholic school teacher said the were an allegory and not literal actual people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823706)



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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:08 PM
Author: Excitant coiffed cruise ship jewess

I think Luther and Aquinas both wrote in agreement there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45823712)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:44 AM
Author: beady-eyed toaster

Dr. Donald John Trump followed by Chris Langan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824066)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:35 AM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

Re: the spirited discussion upthread, I'll note that Richard Carrier is an histrionic nuatheist dweeb who is long on invective but tendentious in the extreme in his argument and sloppy with his argument and marshaling of facts. _E.g._, https://ehrmanblog.org/fuller-reply-to-richard-carrier/

(If his abuse of Bayes and the above were not enough to convince, I'll note he's "poly," etc., -- hardly a serious thinker, though perhaps good for acned teens to brandish in a pathetic and misguided effort to shock their loving parents.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824725)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:47 AM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

brother please end this discussion by poasting your favorite pieces of evidence of the Historicity of Jesus, rather than making ad hom attacks on Dr. Carrier. it makes you look retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824788)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:52 AM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

"it makes you look retarded" -- hey, if you want me to do you a favor, you should try to ask nicely. I have little interest in the dumb debate; I just stopped by en passant since morons are shitting up a good thread to point out that Carrier is laughable to rely on. Didn't mean offense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824814)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:55 AM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

what's laughable is that Christians are still defending a fairy tale that has absolutely no evidence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824827)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:55 AM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

I'm not Christian; I thought we were talking about the historicity of Jesus the man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824830)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:56 AM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

WE arent, youre just attacking Richard Carrier. i asked you to provide evidence for the historicity of jesus and you could not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824835)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:08 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

OK, from DID JESUS EXIST? THE HISTORICAL ARGUMENT FOR JESUS OF NAZARETH, by Bart D. Ehrman (available on LibGen) (which I urge you to read if you don't want to keep coming off as a titsucking reddit nuatheist baby incapable of the most remedial scholarship):

"The independent sources of Mark, John, Paul, and Josephus all say that he had brothers, and in all but John, one of these brothers is named James."

Also, "Tacitus explains that “Nero falsely accused those whom…the populace called Christians. The author of this name, Christ, was put to death by the procurator, Pontius Pilate, while Tiberius was emperor; but the dangerous superstition, though suppressed for the moment, broke out again not only in Judea, the origin of this evil, but even in the city [of Rome]."

Also, Josephus mentions several characters named Jesus, and twice refers to Jesus of Nazarus.

[There are also Jewish sources, but they're tough to interpret]

* * *

He is thus far better attested than pretty much anybody from that time in history. What's your counter-evidence?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824868)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:12 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Well you missed the point in your references but you did inadvertently hit on the key point that I struggle with. That is reference to James the brother of Jesus in Pauline letter. Paul says he met James the brother of Jesus.

Carrier does a solid spin on the possible interpretations of “brother” in the context of a community of “brothers in Christ” but I’m not convinced by it. He also suggests that this is a later addition which is also possible given how much the Pauline letters have language added in arguing at length that Jesus was flesh and blood—arguing so much for it that it suggests the matter was in dispute.

In any event, everything else purported to be evidence of Christ is too weak a link, but this alone is what causes me trouble.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824887)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:15 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

TY; in fairness I'll note that it should be treated as an unsettled question if Jesus existed -- what I object to most of all in Carrier, besides his general loose morals (using "poly" as a mask for sexual predation) is his, in my view, misuse of Bayes to imply certainty about a negative proposition.

Truth be told, most of ancient history -- and, really, history in general -- is greatly uncertain, and so it seems to me important to place the historicity of Jesus in the context of what is generally known about the times. Reliance on myths and motives might do to generate hypotheses, but we are bound in the end to facts, and they're thin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824903)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:18 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

The Bayesian criticism isn’t that big a deal. You just change the percentages but in the end anything less than more likely than not is ultimately a win for Carrier. Really anything less than 100% but for the sake of argument let’s say civil Biden of proof.

As for the guy’s personal habits, I don’t really care. Doesn’t make any difference as to the analysis he does. I think that’s the fair way to look at it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824923)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:21 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

I don't know what game he's supposed to be playing. The people who are inspired by the words, philosophy, religion, etc. of Jesus don't really care about the historical debate; the people who care about the historical debate would say that we can't prove pretty much anything to the standard Carrier seems to demand, so his work was a waste of time since he could've just pointed to our general lack of knowledge re: the history of the period.

This reveals him as tendentious, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824946)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:24 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Let’s try to keep each other on track, if possible. You have gone off track.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824959)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:20 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

who cares who he fucks. wtf is wrong with you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824941)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:22 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

What's wrong with me for caring about the character of someone whom I'm trusting to responsibly marshal evidence that it difficult for me to monitor? IDK -- high epistemic standards?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824950)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:24 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

there's nothing wrong with being poly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824960)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:38 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

"There's nothing wrong with being poly, bigot," sternly lectured the degenerate loser nerd who was also shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that he kept getting called an "amazing atheist" dweeby little faggot by everyone else in the thread.

Amazing how on-the-nose stereotypes are so much of the time, isn't it?

*tips fedora to you*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45827160)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:28 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Rules of evidence would allow past instances of dishonesty to be taken into consideration as well as bias.

Bias is knocked out effectively because most academics on the other side are already heavily biased on the subject, being Christian’s themselves.

Has Carrier ever been convicted of a crime in involving lying stealing or cheating or a crime legally recognized in courts as moral turpitude? No.

Does the fact that the other big Bible scholar no longer is a Christian after deep dive into the materials have any relevance to this argument? Of course not. So why would carriers personal life have any relevance objectively speaking. It doesn’t.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824975)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:14 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

I'm not interested in the argument about Christ's historicity, as I said. It's a topic of complete indifference for me. Rather, I brought up Carrier's background since I know the type of person he is and what is likely motivating him. Were I engaging in a scholarly discussion about Christ's historicity, I wouldn't bring it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45826010)



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Date: January 23rd, 2023 9:01 AM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

I'll note that you edited your response after I'd already replied to add more snark.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45828875)



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Date: January 23rd, 2023 10:54 AM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

I wasn't being snarky--I was just correcting myself. You didn't actually bead on the key point that I take issue with in the context of the no-historical-jesus argument, but for what its worth I think it's okay to just cut to the chase.

For what it's worth (not much) I have asked the same question about "james the brother of Jesus" on here before. Maybe it will come up if you search "james"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45829322)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:20 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

the other gospels all use Mark as a source, and mark was written anonymously. its not reliable

tacitus was writing in the 2nd century and was just repeating secondhand shit.

if thats the best youve got I dont need to see the rest tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824938)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:22 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

Agreed but this always comes up.

Again, for me the issue is just James brother of Jesus in Pauline letter.

Lots of ways for carrier to attack this and he does but I really want one of those arguments to be very compelling and at present they are just speculative.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824953)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:23 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

And Josephus?

Sounds like you're just doing faith-based arguments and indulging in special pleading. Why should I play this game with you since you will just hand wave away any evidence against your fixed belief? Waste of time.

Thanks for playing; you got pwnt, it was fun.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824955)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:25 PM
Author: Pearl irate yarmulke

sorry you wasted your time, but ive seen all these arguments before. if you had better evidence this may have been more productive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824964)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:39 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

"...PS: There's nothing wrong with being poly, you fucking bigot!"

Lol just lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45827168)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:04 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

The link is not convincing on a number of points.

The Osiris bit in particular is not very strong. Early gospels (non canonical) often did not even include a resurrected Jesus in an earthly body. But your man just completely omits that consideration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824857)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:11 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

You fixate on a tertiary point and even then fair to address it; I'd say you concede by silence on other points your buttbuddy polycule member Carrier has been bested.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824881)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:19 PM
Author: Transparent Talented School Twinkling Uncleanness

I’m not going to type out every way this scholar gives short shrift to carriers work. And I selected Osiris example because it’s actually critical to the Carrier argument, not tertiary at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824928)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:36 AM
Author: Swashbuckling background story

Jesus and its not even close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824731)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:52 AM
Author: Charismatic useless people who are hurt mother

You and some others above look at Jesus as some kind of Marvel superhero. Indeed, he was the original version of it. The Jews really did a number on your brain, it's unbelievable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824816)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:57 AM
Author: Swashbuckling background story

Jesus invented teh 10 Commandments. Without it, our species would not survive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45824837)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:58 PM
Author: Bright hissy fit

interesting debate about the historicity of Jesus ITT & I intent to read Carrier's book eventually...but the more interesting question to me isn't whether he existed or not (which isn't provable one way or the other, although the questions raised are interesting) but whether and to what extent Paul's version of it was directed as part of a larger Jewish plot to undermine and destroy Rome... Adam Green keeps posting video after video of Orthodox Rabbis arguing and bragging, in a kind of conspiratorial wink-wink tone, that they spread the gospel of Jesus for precisely this reason, i.e. to weaken gentile opposition to Jews, for the gentiles to worship the Jewish God and obey the Noahide laws, for the gentiles to acknowledge the former primacy of these "Chosen People", as opposed to previously gentiles would simply treat the Jews as one fanatical sect out of many to be dealt with without special favor or status, and to craft it in such a way that the watered-down Christian anti-semitism would be used as a glue to keep the Jewish people together. this seems to be a compelling argument to me, and I see more evidence for it regularly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45825116)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 7:13 PM
Author: Vivacious walnut property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45826912)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 6:44 PM
Author: anal milky idea he suggested set

von neumann is the consensus pick among nerds who've studied this

however, his fields of study (and perhaps some lack of creativity or insight) prevented him from achieving a monumental intellectual discovery like the theory of relativity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45826798)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 7:18 PM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

>however, his fields of study (and perhaps some lack of creativity or insight) prevented him from achieving a monumental intellectual discovery like the theory of relativity.

What about game theory? Quantum foundations? The vN architecture?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45826922)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:41 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair,

"among nerds who've studied this"

Oh wow sounds authoritative.

Just FYI, Bach is the consensus pick among really really smart musician types who have studied this. I would imagine Shakespeare also ranks super highly among really really smart literary types who have studied this. Etc etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45827175)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:42 PM
Author: Bright hissy fit

the argument for von neumann is basically "he had super fast processing power" and "world class memory". i don't think anyone argues he's smartest based on impressiveness of accomplishments. i think smartest should be judged by real world impact via quality and quantity of inventions, especially engineering inventions used by people in their daily lives

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45827180)



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Date: January 22nd, 2023 9:02 PM
Author: Claret angry trump supporter

To be fair

Right, he was an insanely gifted fucking science/math nerd, and other fucking science/math nerds love that. It turns out that skilled craftsmen of all sorts -- be they playwrights, composers, architects, mathematicians, etc -- respond very strongly to extremely high levels of craft in their peers.

Could von Neumann have written a strict six voice fully invertible fugue that sounds good played front to back, back to front, and upside down as a mirror image of himself? Well, he certainly never did so, and Bach was doing shit like that all the time. Could Bach have done any of the incredible pure mathematical tricks that von Neumann is known to have done? Well, not as far as history has recorded. So then who was smarter? Who the fuck knows -- they're both epoch- and field-defining uber-geniuses, and the intellectual horsepower required to accomplish what both of the accomplished is literally off the scale. Anyone poasting ITT is so far beneath both of them on an intellectual level that purporting to make any sort of definitive comparison between the two on a granular level is just a bunch of dick-waving bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45827265)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:17 AM
Author: Low-t aqua temple

I named Bach and Shakespeare in my list above for much these reasons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274738&forum_id=2#45843771)