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Did Gen X guys in the 90s have Consoles in their apartments?
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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:29 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820372) |
Date: January 21st, 2023 9:45 AM Author: michael doodikoff Pretty sure they had a console in the movie swingers
http://famicomblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/swingers-best-video-game-movie-scene.html?m=1 |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:52 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? Ik but did art imitate life? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820415) |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 9:57 AM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) You are a Gen X guy cowshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820419) |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 10:09 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? you have cowgod mixed up with spaceporn imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820449) |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:14 AM Author: Long Huang Red Wyrmian Poontang Yes, see Swingers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820749) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 11:07 AM Author: .,..,..,.,.,:,,..::,,..,:,..,.:,.,..:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45829368) |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:18 AM Author: john elway NHL 94 is one of the GOAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820763) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 8:30 PM Author: Long Huang Red Wyrmian Poontang Compare with Madden 93 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45831895) |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:20 AM Author: fit bros only No way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820772) |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:39 AM Author: .,..,.,..:,,:,.. Yes. N64 four player split-screen was incredibly popular in stoner flop apartments and preppy college dorms alike during this period. Starfox, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mario Kart…
The Gen Xers moved on from this phase of life almost exactly as the elder millennials graduated high school and thought they were the first to discover multiplayer console gaming when they plugged their original Xboxes into the Ethernet ports of their dorm to play Halo on the local network. People would name their Xbox their room number and bros would be scrambling up and down stairwells trying to tell that dickbag in 226 to get out of the game so that their buddies in room 514 could get in. |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:44 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? Im talking about apartments where guys born in 1972 resided in 1999. Imo they all had PS1s and NONE had n64. It’s the only way to explain 30mm vs 100mm units shipped. The two consoles were at parity irl for millennials but sony won the domestic gen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820850) |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 2:12 PM Author: .,..,.,..:,,:,.. I think you’re right. People gin HS/college during this era were on N64s if they were in communal living situations. The social games were better.
If you’d graduated to your own apartment, I think you’re on a PS1.
That’s what I saw at least. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:09 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? It's the only way the sales figures make sense. But how many Gen-Xers with Apartments and Consoles could there have been? Tens of millions? IRL, literally every millennial had either PS1 & N64, and a lot of times just N64.
This guy is also Theorizing. It's a hot-button issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/7t7a6x/despite_the_ps1_outselling_the_n64_3_to_1_why/
Anyone who questions the Narrative gets crucified: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/916387-nintendo-64/77935323 |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:51 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? sull56ivan2010 3 years ago#26 No. Either people overrate or underrate the 64. That being said, I find much better enjoyment in PlayStation games than the 64. Some of the 64's most well known titles are overrated to high hell. |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:45 AM Author: .,..,..,.,,..,..,,,,,,,,..,...,.,.,., Multiple, for UMC families fortunate enough to take advantage of system link. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820855) |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:47 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? This has been well-documented but this was millennials. Im talking about Gen X. Did spaceporn have a PS1 in his apartment in 1999? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820861) |
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Date: January 21st, 2023 11:49 AM Author: .,..,..,.,,..,..,,,,,,,,..,...,.,.,., iirc his kallman's made him too uncoordinated to play video games effectively so he would always smash the controllers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45820873) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:32 AM Author: Orcrist, the Goblin Cleaver No, I could handle it just fine.
But that is usually a good test for early MS, isn’t it. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:30 AM Author: Orcrist, the Goblin Cleaver Did not. But I played a lot of Doom on my laptop. Hours and hours of that. Loved it.
And my friend had a better computer and we would play the free sample part of games a lot.
I was in grad school and didn’t have any money. Also I was in Montana and there’s other stuff to do.
Also liked Unreal and Quake. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:17 PM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; PS1 made way less inroads with older Gen X bc they were 15 years into playing PC games and PC games were still dominant with that vintage of nerd and loser. This persisted for years after to the point that you can’t have WoW become what it became without that same very devoted cohort of PC gamer olds. There was even a degree to which WoW and similar big PC hits of the 00s were driven by an echo boom of younger millennials who were brought into PC gaming to some degree by their autist dads and uncles (or at least shielded from moms intervening by those dads/uncles) at a point where the PS/Xbox highlander battle for the game play hours of lonely shut in boys should’ve dominated even more completely. In 1999 old Gen X gamers were fully consumed by StarCraft, Quake et al. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45824918) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:39 AM Author: .;........;.;........,.,... Flame. It didn’t become cool for adults to play video games until the original Halo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45824750) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 11:44 AM Author: Zero L's Frank Lloyd Never Wrong My friends gen x older bro played lan shit like quake and diablo iirc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45824772) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 12:24 PM Author: DoggieGestapo They played PC games (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45824958) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 1:04 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles_by_region#North_America
PlayStation 40,780,000[2] Nintendo 64 <20,630,000[6]
According to Official Statistics, PS1 outsold N64 2:1 in North America. Does anyone fuckin' believe that? How many people had *just* a PS1? How did these people turn their backs on Nintendo/Sega just to play Ridge Racer and Crash Bandicoot? I fully understand that we all fuckin' gave up on the N64 after OOT came out but, and that JRPGs became appealing af to Losers in the tail-end of the Console Cycle, but that would just lead to Dual Console ownership. Who were these people with *just* a PS1? It had to be Gen X. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 1:46 PM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; PS1 was an extra $100 (back when that was a really meaningful increment, 50% more expensive) and had a meteoric rise in terms of the popularity of its games. Look at the top 10 games 1990-99 and the first half of the decade is Nintendo finishing the job of killing Sega and PC games holding their own to by the last three years it’s PS1 dominating and PC games strengthening and Nintendo converting to capeshit Hollywood mode where they put all their marketing spend behind two to three big games a year just to remain relevant. Other than Goldeneye in 1997 there isn’t really a prestige title and none of the Nintendo games have anything close to the impact of eg Tomb Raider. PS1 was like rookie Jordan or Larry Bird just showing up as a rookie and dominating.
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/mobile/video-game/video-games-top_10s_1990s.html |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 2:21 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? N64 went to complete shit in 1999-2000, fair point, especially if we acknowledge how bad DK64 is and that PD was underwhelming compared to Goldeneye. and PS1 sold strongly as hell during that period. Still, for PS1 to have sold 2x N64 in North America, you had to have had tons of households wit a PS1 *only*. I didn't know these people. Tons of people had N64, and many had both. I didn't know anyone who just had a PS1. The only cohorts of the population who I can imagine this being the norm for are, 1.) effete, Gen-X intellectuals with zero interest in "Mario," and/or with incomes too high to deign to couch multiplayer on a single screen 2.) Low Proles Genesis fans like sull56ivan2010 who were literally too low-IQ for SNES and who could never dream of affording Saturn. They had zero connection to Nintendo and thus PS1 was a natural fit. Btw PS1 & N64 both cut to $149 around March 1997 iirc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825433) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 2:23 PM Author: Consoles do you know anything about Game programming (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825441) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 2:24 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Im an Engineer. PS1 was much easier to develop for imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825445) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 2:27 PM Author: Consoles what do you think is more Intellectual, homebrew development for old consoles or just modern PC shit with engines (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825456) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:35 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? homebrew is more intellectual. Those 3D 32X games under development are extremely intellectual. "modern PC shit" like AM2R doesn't ascend to those heights. PC is just the path of least resistance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826437) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:16 PM Author: Consoles AM2R looks interesting. so you're saying this is a modern game that just looks like a SNES homebrew or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45837740) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 3:00 PM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; Your entire premise is off. There’s one console that’s the party console and has a 10+ year tradition of multiplayer supremacy. There’s no internet yet so there’s no online games where these shut ins can seek recognition from anonymous competitors and the only question in terms of product performance is which games suck you in the most/longest. That’s the binary—party console v alternative console for isolated shut ins who want to ignore the world for as many waking hours as possible bc they have no friends that they see in person during nights and weekends. The shut ins previously tended toward PC games, and the older ones still did all through the 90s until today. But the younger cohort was much more addressable as a market segment with a console that their divorced parents would buy them to get them to stop whining. Then they went to their bedrooms and jerked off to Lara Croft. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825642) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 3:04 PM Author: Consoles Moniker up Console Scholar (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825656) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:38 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? I didn't know these people, yet they existed to the tune of tens of millions? Color me incredulous.
Furthermore, among the Loser cohort, Nintendo/SNES is heavily favored. Are these shut-ins not those individuals who would later become internet posters? Where did they go? My hypothesis remains that they are at both tails of the gaming age/IQ distribution, i.e. High-IQ olds (Gen Xers don't post nearly as much as millennials) and low-IQ late millennials. Discuss. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 6:55 PM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; We’re broadly agreeing here but I’m pushing back on this older Gen X part of your theory bc at most it would be like 2M or less old Gen Xers v 20M low IQ late millennials. Old Gen Xers like born before 1974 or so were too old for the original NES and their video game nostalgia is stuff like Ms Pac-Man in the arcade and the Commodore 64. I’m 1978 and most people who are even just a few years older than me didn’t grow up with video game consoles and certainly weren’t playing them in their 20-something apartments in the late 90s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826856) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 7:00 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Excellent post. The Gen X thing is a conspiracy theory based on no evidence or lack of a better hypothesis. Whatever the phenomenon is, it was Unseen. The Shut-in hypothesis fits better imo tbh, but I guess I just never came across these shut-ins given that they are shut-ins. The source of their hatred for Nintendo is vexing but I suppose they just took the mantle that Sega was carrying, and added the high-IQ cohort to top it off. Especially after the Saturn's ruination, the latter cohort FLED to the PS1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826876) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 7:10 PM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; Factor into your thesis that Newt Gingrich forced all the welfare moms to get jobs beginning in…1995. PS1 was the lower class/low IQ babysitter of tweens and teens who had moms commuting 3 hours a day by bus to work 8 hour min wage shifts, and that was probably at least 5M households nationally given the 2/3rd drop in welfare during the late 90s. That plus the MC version of that gets you to 20M and it makes sense that you would be oblivious to it bc you grew up too UMC and never had any exposure to these people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826903) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 7:12 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? That's all well and good, and don't forget the effect of NAFTA causing more moms to have to go to work. The question remains, though: how could so many have turned their nose up at Mario 64? On reddit, cowgod is seeking answers. He wants to know what the hell happened.
`` cowgod180
just now
Fascinating, and I can see why, but didn't you feel utterly deprived not being able to play Super Mario 64? I was the GOAT imo. Did you prefer System Link to couch multiplayer? I suppose if enough high-income households were buying two or more PS1s to engage in couch multiplayer, that would explain some of the sales gap as well. Even if these households had an N64 as well, they'd have 2+ PS1s. `` |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 11:13 AM Author: .,..,..,.,.,:,,..::,,..,:,..,.:,.,..:.,:.::,. stfu chink (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45829397) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 1:55 PM Author: Elvis Chan Consoles were for dorm rooms. Once you got a jerb u got a PC, though proles still bought PS2s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825340) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 2:22 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? The question is whether they bought PS1s. I am trying to identify millions of PS1-only households and I'm having a hard af time. Millions who would eschew Super Mario 64, the greatest game of all time, and prefer Ridge Racer and JRPGs. No one even likes JRPGs irl except Losers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825438) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 3:09 PM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; No dude. It took until 1995-96 and it was shut in loser games like Final Fantasy and Toom Raider. This was like the all time peak of when you would go to someone’s house, realize they had all one player games, sit there and watch them play for hours, leave and be annoyed and resolve to never hang out with that person again and call your friends who play N64 next time. But that describes a UMC childhood. Now picture you’re a LMC/MC single mom and your kid is weird and doesn’t have friends and badgers you for a PS1. When you catch your son jerking off to Lara Croft you’re mainly just relieved he’s not gay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825671) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:42 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? FF7 (1997) was the very first JRPG for PS1 iirc. 1994-1996 had zero JRPGs afaik. These were just wasted years but it somehow didn't matter.
The thing for me is that I just don't see how there were that many kids who eschewed Nintendo. Wrestling games/Goldeneye/Mario 64 were the salt of the gaming earth in those years. The PS1-only cohort just had to have been at the Tails of the Gaming Distribution, which is what we are both alluding to. i.e., younger, low-IQ millennials, and Gen-Xers. Core Millennials weren't turning their nose up at N64 in '96-'97. They added PS1s later, absolutely, no question. I understand what drew the UMC and the Lower Class to PS1 in their own ways, but why were they so repulsed by Nintendo? Discuss. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:09 PM Author: Elvis Chan The games were more violent for one thing. You could play Doom on the PS1.
EDIT: looks like they released it for N64 but it looks like ass. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:39 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Have you not heard of Duke Nukem? Also Turok was fucking dinosaurs up the ass basically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826474) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:50 PM Author: Elvis Chan I didn't own one, I just knew people who lived in dorms who owned them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826540) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 3:54 PM Author: Elvis Chan PS1 was for dorm rooms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45825892) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 4:43 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Singles, maybe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826186) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:43 PM Author: teenage pussy I did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826504) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:43 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Which Consoles? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826506) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:51 PM Author: teenage pussy Original NES, sega genesis, and a PS1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826547) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 5:56 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Are you none too surprised that PS1 outsold N64 2:1 in the U.S.? Why do you hate Nintendo? Discuss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826586) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 7:58 PM Author: teenage pussy The N64 was just not that popular so it doesn't surprise me. I think peeps were generally disappointed with it compared to how they felt about the SuperNintendo. That's my fuzzy recollection at least. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45827066) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:19 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Everyone had it irl though. Did you grow up UMC? Did you ever play System Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45827108) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:20 PM Author: teenage pussy Dirt poor, actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45827109) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:25 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Did you happen to have an older sister? If so, did she ever find herself pregnant and living at home? Discuss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45827122) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:28 PM Author: teenage pussy Yes sister, no teenage pregnancy. We were devote religousmos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45827129) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:33 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Did your dad bang your sister (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45827147) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 9:03 PM Author: teenage pussy Which dad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45827267) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 6:35 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? https://www.reddit.com/r/videogames/comments/10ixlx8/ps1_outsold_n64_21_in_the_us_and_no_one/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45826763) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:22 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? https://www.reddit.com/r/GenX/comments/10j047a/did_gen_x_guys_in_the_90s_have_consoles_in_their/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45827113) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:34 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45827150) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 8:49 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? 67alecto • GenX • 4m I bought a super Nintendo so that I could play killer instinct, NBA jam, and Street fighter.
mossman • GenX • 11m The last console I ever owned was an original NES. Living with roommates in the 90s we had SNES and Genesis. My interests were drugs, girls and skating. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2023 10:05 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? FormerCollegeDJ • GenX • 11m LOL, LOTS of GenX guys had video game consoles in their apartments (or dorm rooms or parents’ houses) in the 1990s. I personally had/used the following consoles at different times in the 1990s:
*Atari 7800
*Sega Master System
*Nintendo Entertainment System
*Sega Genesis (and later Sega 32X)
*Atari Jaguar
*Sega Saturn
*Sony PlayStation
(I also had an Atari 2600 I used before the 1990s; it was largely replaced by the Atari 7800, which was backwards compatible with 2600.)
The systems I probably played the most in the 1990s were the NES (I played Tecmo Super Bowl in particular A TON) and the Genesis (my all-time favorite video game console). Many, many guys who were in college in the early to mid-1990s owned a Sega Genesis due to its great selection of sports games. (The NHLPA ‘93 scene in Swingers was included for a reason.)
I think most GenX guys probably played the NES (8-bit era), Sega Genesis (16-bit era), and Sony PlayStation (32/64-bit era) the most in the 1990s. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 7:36 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? FormerCollegeDJ • GenX • 7h Nintendo consoles from the early 1990s to the mid-2000s (i.e. the 4th, 5th, and 6th generations of video game consoles, the SNES, N64, and GameCube specifically) often were NOT as popular among late teenage and twenty-something year old males. There were two key reasons for this:
1) Nintendo’s kid-focused marketing
2) Other consoles’ (especially Genesis, PS1, and PS2/XBox) generally stronger and deeper sports game lineups, especially from EA Sports
With the first point, Nintendo’s marketing has always skewed young and often appeared geared towards kids roughly 13-14 years old and younger. During the 8-bit era (at least in the U.S.), the NES was practically the only game in town as it vastly outsold the Sega Master System and Atari 7800, so if you wanted to play the most popular games, you had to get a NES, even though marketing-wise it seemed to be targeted towards elementary age children.
That changed during the 16-bit era. Sega had games on the Genesis that primarily appealed to teenagers and young adults, and the company’s marketing was also targeted towards those players. They were a growing video game cohort at the time; many of those people were kids during the Golden Age of Video Games during the late 1970s/early 1980s and still enjoyed playing games. Sega and later Sony capitalized on Nintendo’s strong focus on targeting young kids and marketing towards them and their parents (an example being the “Sega does what Nintendon’t” ad campaign); that kind of marketing was (and is) unappealing to teenagers and young adults. The Genesis and later PlayStation were perceived by many older video game players as being the “cool” console option compared to the kid-oriented Nintendo consoles.
With the second point, prior to the 16-bit era there really was no such thing as sports video game franchises. In the 2nd and 3rd generations of video games (what we can call the Atari 2600 and NES eras), there were relatively few sports games released; a publisher would release a game for a particular sport, and in most cases that would be the only game they released for that sport for 3-5 years (or in many cases, the life of the system).
Electronic Arts (which had mostly been a PC game publisher) and to a lesser degree Sega changed that. From EA’s point of view, the 16-bit consoles were the first consoles powerful enough to represent the games EA wanted to produce. The company was turned off by Nintendo’s restrictive licensing requirements, so they turned their attention to Sega and the Genesis. Sega was amenable to EA producing games, especially sports games, for their system, and Sega themselves also poured resources into their own sports game division. The net results were 1) EA Sports and Sega started releasing sport-specific games annually, like the Madden (NFL/pro football) and NHL series, which due to their quality quickly became popular, and 2) EA Sports, who produced the most popular series in many sports, had games that usually were better on the Genesis than on the SNES (a trend that continued in the 32 bit era with the PlayStation vs the N64). This combination of factors made the Genesis (and later PS1) more attractive than the SNES (and later N64) to many teenage and young adult males (at least in the U.S.), and along with the marketing made the Genesis (and later PS1) the “hip”, preferred system to those players relative to the SNES and N64.
IMO, what I described above played a huge role in why Nintendo went from dominating the 8-bit era to essentially splitting the market with Sega in the 16-bit era to being far behind Sony in the PS1 vs N64 battle in the 32/64-bit era.
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 2:39 PM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; Madden is a key data point but sort of contradicts itself. In 1995-96 it wasn’t available on PS1 and was on Nintendo. Then in 1997 the 32 bit is only on PS1 and Saturn v Nintendo which had 16 bit. FIFA is first available on PS1 and SNES simultaneously in 1996. I think the answer to this question still remains unresolved if you’re arguing that appealing specifically to EA/sports titles/players was a key driver. Unless you could show that most of that 2:1 gap between 1995-2000 was sales in the back half like 1997 and later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45830417) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 8:28 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? Gen X is retarded. N64 had Madden '99, NBA Jam, NBA Hangtime, NBA Live, Griffey, 3D Hockey which was probably the best hockey game of the gen afaik, 50 wrestling games, All Star Baseball, Quarterback Club Also, it fucking had Tony Hawk lol. Then again, Coolboarders had a Pentalogy and there was only one 1080, so PS1 wins. Accept it. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 7:46 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? NAMEEXCEEDSMAXLENGT- 8h I was born in 73 and had an Atari 2600 as a kid, but by the time the NES came out my parents thought I was "too old" for video games and wouldn't buy me one. I started saving money to buy my own, but by the time I had enough saved up I decided to spend it on a guitar instead and played that instead of video games all through high school and beyond.
I did start playing games again in my early 20s, but that was on the PC. When I did finally decide to get a console at end of the 90s I couldn't really justify buying two of them and the PS1 won out because it was a little cheaper, had a lot more games available, and I didn't have the nostalgia for Nintendo characters that someone who grew up with the NES and SNES might have.
Also, I'm an effete, high-IQ Gen-Xer or whatever. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 10:58 AM Author: Oh, You Travel? That Reddit thread is a triumph. Bravo, cowshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45829341) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 2:22 PM Author: .,..,..,.,,..,..,,,,,,,,..,...,.,.,., (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45830336) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2023 2:24 PM Author: Candy Ride No Atari 2600 in That 70s Show. Discuss: https://forums.atariage.com/topic/186141-that-70s-show-alienated-the-atari/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45830346) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 7:01 PM Author: Oh, You Travel? MiltownKBs
You have like a weird fixation or something. Where are you going with this?
You don't have to answer, I don't really care.
cowgod180
This thread, in essence, is about Consoles. Particularly the Saturn. I think it was huge in grad schools in the 90s. Hankjams
Where? cowgod180
HYSCCN for Law, HRM for Econ, Williams and Harvey Mudd for Philosophy.
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Date: January 24th, 2023 8:15 PM Author: Candy Ride (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5274878&forum_id=2#45837029) |