if carbine might leave in car

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826122)

was thinking of keeping G2s at office and getting a revolver or glock for ccw and carbine jjst looks sick to have in a car or truck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826131)

for ccw I think anybody not carrying a revolver is nuts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826127)

Police are in fights all the time, from which they have to draw their weapons. They carry modern handguns. SOF carry handguns primarily as something to transition to in the event of getting in a fight, such that they are too close to use their primary or it gets taken from them. They carry modern handguns. If drawing the weapon and having it function in a fight were a serious problem, you'd still see revolvers in use some of those places. You don't. You are hyperbolizing the fuck out of some fudd idea you have about semiautos being unreliable when in actual use cases, they work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826681)

meanwhile no civilian has ever needed a reload, probabilities matter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45829260)

A revolver just works. And a hammerless revolver can be fired from a pocket, which is a huge advantage in some situations because it allows you to fire while your assailant is drawing his weapon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830547)

I'm giving advice for people who want to get good with a gun, not people who are planning to buy a gun, never train, and get fucked up regardless of what they're carrying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45832758)

Every single scenario you come up with where somebody is getting curbstomped is going to have the same outcome regardless of what gun they have lol. If you're in a coma, you can't draw and you die. How the fuck do you think this supports getting a j frame instead of a Walther?

I think you're projecting; I know plenty of dudes who train. Do you have any idea how big practical shooting has gotten? You're certainly correct that more people should train, but none of that is responsive to whether revolvers are better for carry.

The mechanical simplicity of a revolver doesn't result in markedly different operational ease, except in cases of malfunctions which you radically overestimate. Failure to train with either platform will mean you're shit with it, probably can't draw in time for it to save your ass at any sort of close distance, and damn sure won't hit shit at distances farther than 10m. None of that changes based on platform.

Regardless of what you use, you should train with it. But if you have the time and discipline to train, you may as well use a semiauto.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840361)

and I am concerned about actual worst case scenarios, you cannot say with a straight face that some dood sitting on your chest while he pounds you cannot easily cause a ftf in any semi auto, it simply is the case that he can, idk how you can so fully fail to grasp that simple fact

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840380)

Explain for me the scenario in which you can draw a gun of any sort with a guy sitting on your chest as he beats your face in. If your gun is already out, explain to me the scenario in which you still have it in your hand, and he's sitting on your chest. Have you ever been in a fight?

You seem concerned with inventing some reality where having a j frame instead of a Glock grants you a magical ability to draw despite getting bricked. Get real lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840522)

and you have to be extra retarded to think a revolver is somehow less mechanically accurate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840540)

Dense is you somehow missing that my point was platform is irrelevant if you suck and don't train.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840545)

What you just said is fucking incoherent.

- "if you can get to it" in none of the scenarios you keep obsessing over are you going to get to a revolver more or less capably than a semiauto -- you're not getting to either of them.

- "you can get multiple rounds off ... 10 rounds will never ever matter" yeah, it won't solve anything to have more rounds for these untrained shooters you're concerned with, who won't be able to hit shit

- have you ever been in a fight? Serious question. If you're getting the fuck beat out of you like you seem certain will happen to you, you're probably not getting to a gun anyway. If you'd ever been in a one sided fight, you would immediately know this, but if somebody is on your chest putting their fist through your orbital, you can't fucking think, much less draw.

- "training doesn't solve things going to shit on you" cr, people who train regularly with their guns have no survivability advantage over someone who has never fired their gun befo- oh, wait, that's fucking retarded: you can train drawing and creating distance while firing, and you will hit more shots under stress with training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840609)

I noticed you again failed to respond to almost all of my poast, I'm sure you have lots of convincing counterwarrants you're saving though!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840680)

"contacts clothing" I have magduumped a Sig from inside a hoodie pocket and it didn't jam, you're being hyperbolic here.

"[what if] the ejection port is blocked?" incredibly rare scenario here, which I'll counter with an equally rare scenario: what if they need to return fire against an active shooter and they need more than six rounds? (I say this to illustrate that we can both pull out statistically near-impossible scenarios to defend something unrealistic.)

"countless videos" if you can link me to multiple videos of a guy dying because his semiauto jammed, I will flat concede that revolvers are better for people who don't regularly train. I'm asking in good faith, because to my knowledge this is not common at all.

I'd also be interested in footage of a gunfight where the ejection port was entirely covered, inducing a malfunction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849377)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849588)

I get it, more is better, but the odds of you just getting your ass kicked are astronomically higher than of being in a gun fight with multiple armed opponents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826352)

And I'm not recommending anyone get a micro, to be clear -- micros/subcompacts largely suck. Just get a compact (Glock 19 sized) pistol and carry that. Way easier to shoot accurately and manipulate when under stress or in a fight. Micros are not the move, and if you need something that small, I'd pick a revolver too unless you are already a good shot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826387)

Taurus is garbage and I would literally rather someone buy a revolver lmfao

Get a quality pistol -- CZ, Sig, Walther, HK, Glock, S&W M&P 2.0 -- not a Taurus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849400)

Generally:

- for CCW, get a compact striker fired pistol from Glock, Smith & Wesson (get an M&P 2.0, not a fucking Shield; shields are pieces of shit), CZ, HK, Walther, Shadow Systems, or Sig. All work reliably, it's a matter of preference at this point.

- for home defense, if you need something with range (e.g. you live somewhere other than a suburb, either rural or very urban), get an AR-15 from this list (ranked in order of quality, and therefore roughly by descending expense): http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4586578&mc=160&forum_id=2#41143621

- if you live in a suburb, look at a pistol caliber carbine -- that is, an AR chambered in 9mm. Any of the companies I list at that link are fine.

For a wide variety of uses, get a pistol and an AR with a berrel length between 11.5" and 14.5" with a decent optic (holosun 510 reflex is an affordable option with pretty good quality), a light (non-negotiable; inforce wml, cloud defense, modlite, surefire are all good buys) and an adjustable sling (Ferro, VTAC).

Get mags, get Adaptive Rifle and Practical Shooting Training, both by Ben Stoeger, dryfire consistently every day, and you'll start to get good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826341)

rate me as a early 2000 WW or LHW champion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45826400)

Revolvers are best choice for most people when it comes to concealed carry. You may be asking "But what about capacity?!" It's not capacity you should be concerned with, it's reliability. Jams can and do happen, especially in high stress, dynamic situations, and unless you're training regularly, you're not going to have the muscle memory to reliably clear the jam and chamber the next round. A revolver works every time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45830771)

Edit: reading comp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45831042)

Using a gun is literally the definition of "the best defense is a good offense" hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45840678)

I also think that there's more overlap between their needs than you think, because basically the only times SOF guys use pistols is when they're in a fight and can't get to their carbine. There's significant overlap between that and a lot of scenarios for civilian defensive gun usage.

That said, if this is what you took away from my poasts, I'm not sure that me trying to spell it out more clearly is gonna help.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849421)

What do you recommend for the gun owners who will go to the range once and then never practice with their gun again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849474)

I recommend they fucking train instead of pretending they'll be able to do anything useful under stress with a gun they've never trained with (regardless of platform.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849564)

A significant number of police shootings are defensive -- think attempting to restrain a suspect who then pulls a knife or gun, or a traffic stop where they get drawn on. Those have plenty of overlap with DGUs.

It's much easier to train to clear malfunction than I think you realize. Drill that shit with dummy rounds for a week and you'll have it pretty good, even under stress.

Most modern striker fired handguns, like those I mentioned, don't have safeties other than a trigger safety.

As an aside, no one needs level 3 retention lmao, you're gonna be fine with passive retention unless you're low crawling for 50m and then sprinting through thick brush.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849486)

the question is, what are you left with when you fail and bad stuff is happening to you right now, in that case a revolver is definitely at an advantage, which is why to this day a shit ton of cops carry one as back up, because they know damn well they might be on the floor wrestling with their gun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5275753&forum_id=2#45849499)