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US News aside, what are the real top 10 schools for undergrad?
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Date: January 24th, 2023 12:56 PM Author: Spruce wonderful mother I would say something like
HYPMS Caltech Columbia/Penn/Dartmouth Chicago in 10th? |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:01 PM Author: Comical fat ankles i never understood the whole mit > caltech thing. caltech seems absurdly rigorous whereas mit has lots of 'soft' majors and nonsense like the 'media lab'. caltech admissions is brutally weighted on merit whereas mit is in cambridge so, lol, yeah... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45834927) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:07 PM Author: Hairraiser walnut office MIT is much larger and people interested in prestige have an East Coast bias. So most of us know a couple super smart MIT alums and no Caltech alums. We’re not parsing Math Olympiad results and levels of NASA achievement to make fine gradations, just going by reputation and direct experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45834960) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:16 PM Author: Comical fat ankles our company 'doctorate' spreadsheet has on tab2 the list of various olympiad medalists on staff. i think there is like math and comp sci. in a high iq org, those things count for a lot.
and yeah, i prob know irl 15x mit grads vs caltech grads |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 8:27 AM Author: beta ruddy house your company sounds gay as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838603) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:35 PM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage Also, there is this:
This is a 180 site for college rankings, by the way. Someone should make a ranking purely on the basis of who wins cross admit battles, because feel like the wisdom of the masses is better than anything USNWR or anyone else has come up with.
Based on a few minutes of playing with it, it looks like the top five schools are the following:
1) H (wins every cross admit battle) 2) S (wins against every school except H) 3) M (wins against everyone except H and S) 4) Y (wins against everyone except H, S, and M) 5) P (wins against everyone except H, S, M, and Y) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:05 PM Author: Comical fat ankles lol, my ugrad (redacted, because it's obscure enough that it's tmi to share) crushes "mit"
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:10 PM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage Sorry to break this to you, but if the numbers are in gray, then the difference is not statistically significant. I didn't bother to check LAC's, but assuming you didn't attend a prestigious LAC, it's probably because there were like five cross admits and only two of them chose MIT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835319) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:13 PM Author: Disturbing Voyeur Doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835340) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:28 PM Author: Comical fat ankles that may be the case, but for the other poster who identified the school, you can also look up the nsf's rankings based on per capita stem phds. there is one one 'outlier' school on that list, and it's where i went.
one flaw of usnwr rankings is that they penalize schools with low graduation rates. mine pretty much either fails people out or has an extremely low 5yr grad rate (when i went, it was bordernline single digit...i got out in 4, but my gpa paid a price). but, the people that do graduate are extremely smart and a large % go on to phds. |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 3:10 PM Author: histrionic national security agency azn Found the West Point faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835586) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:13 PM Author: Disturbing Voyeur Doctorate may want to delete. i found yours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835339) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:15 PM Author: Comical fat ankles tyft! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835350) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:11 PM Author: fluffy pisswyrm TBF, this site says Harvard wins the crossadmit battle with Wayne State 64-36%
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=Wayne+State+University |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:12 PM Author: fluffy pisswyrm And Wayne State > Yale
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=Wayne+State+University |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:29 PM Author: chartreuse hateful round eye location The Phoenix alumni club is worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835432) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:31 PM Author: fluffy pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835447) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 6:07 PM Author: Brindle goyim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836512) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 12:40 AM Author: Aromatic black woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838102) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:45 PM Author: Aromatic black woman The answer is that most people who get into both Caltech and MIT choose MIT (or Stanford or Harvard). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835175) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:34 PM Author: citrine field reading party cr. Also Columbia shouldn't be on the list (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835455) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 5:45 PM Author: citrine field reading party People at/from Caltech sound 100x smarter when they talk. MIT guys seem richer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836435) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 5:47 PM Author: Trip twisted pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836447) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 5:49 PM Author: Balding property rigpig Media lab isn't nonsense. When Stephen Benton was alive, they were pioneering holographic video. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836457) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 6:06 PM Author: citrine field reading party They are spooky af right now, doing gene editing with Kevin Esvelt. Epstein gave them money too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836510) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 6:54 PM Author: Balding property rigpig I honestly haven't kept up with it since the early 2000s, so I'm completely out of the loop. That sounds terrible, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836646) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:42 PM Author: citrine field reading party Just Google around and see what you find about Esvelt. A significant amount has been written about him. He is currently a "Polymath Fellow" funded by some French environmental org. It's hard for me to imagine why environmentalists want to artificially manipulate the evolutionary trajectory of entire species. In any case, what does this have to do with media, such that it would be run out of a "media lab?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45840098) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:09 AM Author: Comical fat ankles it's for brown lib arts fags to spend a grad year at so they can try and transition to 'tech'
case in point
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmurthy/ |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 6:42 PM Author: citrine field reading party What's this supposed to prove? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45841764) |
Date: January 24th, 2023 12:59 PM Author: Splenetic cyan friendly grandma egregious Dartmouth trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45834919) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:38 PM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage Even more egregious Columbia trolling. After correcting their falsified USNWR data, they were revealed to be a TTT in steep decline.
Also, xoxo is clearly slipping because nobody has pointed out that you need to distinguish between Wharton Penn and non-Wharton Penn. Wharton Penn is arguably the most prestigious undergraduate outside of HYPS. Non-Wharton Penn is just a standard Big Ten school with a mediocre football team. |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:55 PM Author: contagious depressive (Donald J. Trump) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835536) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:34 PM Author: Maniacal roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45837834) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:42 PM Author: Cowardly therapy Wharton Penn isn't prestigious because you have to fucking study undergrad business and it's trivial to transfer in from TTT non-Wharton Penn. It's a practical choice for the Wall Street pipeline that's it. Your grandma doesn't give a single fuck about Wharton Penn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45837876) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:08 PM Author: haunting wagecucks Hillsdale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45834962) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:47 PM Author: Thriller Chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835186) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:53 PM Author: citrine field reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835522) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 7:03 PM Author: Crimson stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836696) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:43 PM Author: zippy stirring chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45840100) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 6:31 PM Author: Crimson stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45841709) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:43 PM Author: black dingle berry roommate The AP comes out with a list each Monday in the fall. This year, University of Georgia is #1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835156) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:50 PM Author: Buck-toothed vivacious native Higher education in Amerikkka is for cucks and rich foreigners. LJL @ sending your children to these indoctrination centers and paying out the ass for the privilege of doing so. If your child is smart/driven, they don't need college. Ever hear of a library? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835201) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:52 PM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage (dude who shows up at a Goldman Sachs recruiting event shouting, "My kid doesn't need an indoctrination center like Harvard! Ever hear of a library?") (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835217) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:57 PM Author: Buck-toothed vivacious native Yes, I want my brood to avoid the higher education indoctrination scam, but desperately want them to get wage cuck jobs @ fucking Goldman fucking Sachs LJL @ you.
$200K for a college education invested in VTI over 50 years is $3-4M when my kids retire. Or you can just hand them a check and tell them to build a company. LOL @ giving the money to LaQuisha Brown, the DEI director, and Ari Winkelstein, the university president. |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:17 PM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage Well, if you are cool with your kids working construction or working their way up to manager at Hardees, more power to you. But almost all decent jobs require a college degree these days. Employers are not likely to accept a library card as a substitute.
And LJL at anyone who pays $200k for a college degree. My niece went to community college and transferred to flagship state. She got a degree with less $20k in debt (and could have easily kept it under $15k but she decided to gamble that Biden would forgive it). She got zero help from the family.
Yes, you will get no argument from me that spending $200k to get a theater degree from NYU is stupid, but it doesn't follow that all college degrees are stupid. If you take out $20k in debt to get a CS degree at the local state school and earn a job in the low six figures after graduation, most people would consider that to be a very smart investment. |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:39 PM Author: godawful passionate keepsake machete You are thinking the wrong way. Jobs are for worker bees. You want your kids to be investors and business owners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45837858) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:57 PM Author: Racy Confused Coldplay Fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45837944) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 12:16 AM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage I would rather that my kids be NBA superstars signing 9 figure contracts, but that isn't going to happen, either. If you have a family business to give to your kids, congrats. But for everyone else, college is the simplest path to a non-shitjob. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838039) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:52 PM Author: Supple duck-like parlor kitty cat I assume someone who went to Duke is smarter than someone who went to Columbia. And same with Williams over Dartmouth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835218) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 1:59 PM Author: Diverse party of the first part i appreciate the ethos of an amherst or williams but few if any people choose them over dartmouth if given the option. they are either destination schools for people who grew up in that new england prep school culture or fallbacks for ivy strivers. and the latter far outnumber the former. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835245) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:12 PM Author: Supple duck-like parlor kitty cat I assume the former is the cream of the crop from that population though, and superior to the third tier ivy strivers. But I could be wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835329) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:23 PM Author: Diverse party of the first part they are almost always old-money wasps, with the occasional jew, but still not the best of them, who would still go to hyp first
but that creates a culture of prestige if not a strictly academic one, which in some ways is all prestige is. which is why amherst and williams punch above their weight in their air of prestige. |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 8:22 AM Author: beady-eyed toilet seat spot most people who would apply to both williams and dartmouth would choose williams. people who arent interested in LACs at all wouldnt apply to williams in the first place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838593) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:06 PM Author: Aromatic black woman HYPSM, Caltech, Wharton, and CMU SCS seem like the clear top 8.
And then, I dunno, maybe Duke and Dartmouth?
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:40 PM Author: Cowardly therapy CMU CS doesn't have a unique value prop you might as well be at Georgia Tech or UWaterloo or any fungible good CS school out of a list of 10 to 15 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45837862) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:41 PM Author: Aromatic black woman Ok, what's your 8/9/10 then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45837871) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:52 PM Author: Cowardly therapy just the typical places the average non-CS high schooler would pick over CMU whether it's Columbia or Duke or whatever. Maybe Brown or Cornell. At least those have some cultural significance
For some reason Penn Chicago and Northwestern (probably Dartmouth too) are cope schools with subpar brands in my mind even though they're functionally equivalent to Columbia/Duke/etc |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:12 PM Author: Topaz aggressive sneaky criminal Hillsdale Notre Dame BYU
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:16 PM Author: medicated dog poop You all are old. Caltech ran out of money and isn't good anymore. Yale sucks too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835356) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:49 PM Author: Aromatic black woman How did they run out of money? Their endowment per student is higher than all but HYPSM once you remove undergrad-only LACs.
https://www.reachhighscholars.org/college_endowments.html |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:41 AM Author: medicated dog poop Poor as shit for a uni that wants to compete in STEM research (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838817) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:17 PM Author: Curious blathering area after hyps I'd rather go to UVA, Michigan, or Vanderbilt than any of the others. LJL at spending 4 years in fucking boonfuck new hampshire or furthest ithaca just because its an "ivy" when you can live a 180 college life in a 180 town. School prestige is fucking done here anyways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835357) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:20 PM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage Quality of life aside, picking Dartmouth over Michigan only makes sense if you are a striver loser who bases your entire life on the USNWR rankings. If you look at the quality of their faculty (which seems like a better way to compare schools), Michigan is a mile ahead of Dartmouth. Attending Michigan football games and smashing sorority slores are just an added bonus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835381) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:23 PM Author: Comical fat ankles yeah, umich vs tosu game must be a blast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835401) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 5:26 PM Author: Spruce wonderful mother What? No, they're just two very different schools. You don't interact with "faculty" frequently at a big state school, or if you do you're not the kind of guy who is "smashing sorority slores". Dartmouth is going to have a much more intelligent and ambitious student body versus Michigan, and interacting with them is what will make up most of your experience for four years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836372) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 7:15 PM Author: Glittery salmon meetinghouse liquid oxygen "But I've been going out to tons of spots in Hanover and meeting chicks left and right. You're right about the D-bomb. It's definitely powerful!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836746) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 7:16 PM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage I think you meant to say, "Dartmouth is going to have a much wealthier student body." I went to HYPS and currently work at a flagship state school comparable to Michigan. And honestly there is almost no difference in the quality of the students. The very best students at HYPS are a little better, but 70-80% are legacies, athletes, affirmative action, or random rich kids who are not particularly impressive. And if the difference between HYPS and Michigan is small, I think it's safe to assume that the difference between Michigan and Dartmouth is basically non-existent. So given the option, I would rather have bigger name professors, football games, and massive quantities of sorority slores. But to each their own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836753) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:53 PM Author: Hairraiser walnut office Dartmouth has women & sororities and I don't really see a benefit to 20k women vs. 2k women. There are plenty of options in either place and the male competition at Dartmouth includes tons of Asians, nerds and twinks. A lot of the women are athletes and outdoorsy hippie types but I don't see a problem with that. Better wife candidates than some instagram-addicted Midwestern prole blonde chick that will gain 10 pounds/year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45837928) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:55 PM Author: Cowardly therapy New Hampshire is lame as shit I'd seriously consider Penn over Dartmouth because you can just transfer to Wharton (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45837936) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:04 PM Author: Hairraiser walnut office Of course New Hampshire is lame as shit but you are there for college living in a bubble and probably won't get murdered if you walk one block off campus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45839880) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 12:18 AM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage Plus the exciting annual Dartmouth/Brown football game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838054) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 6:41 PM Author: citrine field reading party Dartmouth is cr for non-obvious reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45841759) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:17 PM Author: Exhilarant Lay Cuckold HYPSMC Wharton Columbia Chicago non-Wharton Penn = Dartmouth = Brown |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 5:55 PM Author: Free-loading hairy legs base Columbia has no business in the top 20. It’s a garbage diploma mill and is increasingly being recognized as such. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836485) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 6:04 PM Author: citrine field reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836505) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:37 AM Author: medicated dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838804) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 8:28 AM Author: beta ruddy house Lol how was Columbia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838606) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 2:20 PM Author: orchid ticket booth Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, U. Chicago, Caltech, Harvey Mudd, M.I.T., Rice, Hillsdale, Duke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835379) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 3:01 PM Author: Alcoholic brethren mediation Not a single one is worth the tuition (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45835556) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 5:48 PM Author: Appetizing toaster Deep Springs
(massive gap the size of an anus freshly gaped by a few cowboys)
HYPS |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 5:53 PM Author: overrated stock car Odd that we've never talked about this before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836479) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 5:56 PM Author: Spruce wonderful mother Maybe our next topic should be the N64 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836490) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 7:03 PM Author: laughsome rusted blood rage It's truly shocking that a bort full of autistic Asians is obsessed with comparing the prestige of different universities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836694) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 6:01 PM Author: Free-loading hairy legs base MIT CalTech Harvard Stanford Cornell Brown Carnegie Mellon Yale John’s Hopkins Northwestern
Note: Northwestern>UChicago NYU>>>>>Columbia
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Date: January 24th, 2023 11:49 PM Author: Cocky Dilemma (far above cayuga's waters) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45837917) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:48 AM Author: Free-loading hairy legs base To be honest, Yale doesn’t really have a spot on this list and I expect it to be gone within the next 5. It’s cashing in on its legacy, but I don’t think anyone looks at a resume anymore and thinks, “wow, he/she went to Yale” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838851) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 6:17 PM Author: beady-eyed toilet seat spot all the schools in nescac minus tufts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836529) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 7:07 PM Author: vibrant yellow masturbator heaven SUNY Binghamton is good for London iBanking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836715) |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 7:11 PM Author: Dashing Gay Queen Of The Night Garrison for the ultimate undergraduate experience, where can u find the finest young minds lectured/taught/graded personally by the best faculty without teaching assistants/grad students?
there must be an Oxford, Cambridge of America
also, where can u go to school without having to look at millionaire Athlete/Moguls living large? |
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Date: January 24th, 2023 7:12 PM Author: Brindle goyim u grad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45836729) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:04 PM Author: clear razzle deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45839885) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 12:31 AM Author: boyish temple mood Harvey Mudd? Rice? Williams? Lol I never even heard of these schools before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5276900&forum_id=2#45838082) |