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Date: January 25th, 2023 8:32 AM Author: swollen garnet theater stage Rolen had received 10.2% of the vote in his first year on the ballot in 2018, the lowest first-year percentage ever for a candidate eventually voted in by the BBWAA.[2] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838620) |
Date: January 25th, 2023 8:36 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point proof you can still maek it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838629) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 8:59 AM Author: swollen garnet theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838699) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:00 AM Author: Opaque beady-eyed personal credit line area the hall of fame has lost all prestige and intrigue for me now that they are just blackballing all the best players of my youth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838702) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:01 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point bro, they did STEROIDS what don't you understand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838704) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:04 AM Author: swollen garnet theater stage it's funny that guys like ortiz -- who obviously doped and just didnt get caught --- get a free pass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838714) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:52 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838881) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:05 AM Author: rebellious curious gaping No, he got caught it was just during the year with no penalties (2003) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838958) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:56 AM Author: topaz native such bullshit. if you were never a top 5 player at any point in your career you have no business being in cooperstown. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838901) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:57 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point would you call, say Rickey Henderson a top 5 player at any point in his career?
because he's legit a T30 all time player |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:59 AM Author: topaz native Ricky? of course. he was arguably one of the 2 or 3 best players in the game for years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838918) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:02 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point yeah maybe I should have picked a better example
I guess my point is longevity counts for something in baseball, moreso than in other sports, since one player can't win a title by himself. But peak also matters, which is why I like JAWS as the best career value stat. |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:05 AM Author: Opaque beady-eyed personal credit line area He's the best leadoff hitter of all time, not remotely comparable to rolen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838951) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:06 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point I wasn't arguing he was comparable to Rolen, I was arguing that during his playing days, few people would have called him a T5 player in the league. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838959) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:28 AM Author: swollen garnet theater stage 1 MVP, 1 2nd place, 1 3rd place
MVP (rank, share) 1980 AL (10, 13%) 1981 AL (2, 79%) 1982 AL (10, 10%) 1983 AL (24, 0%) 1985 AL (3, 44%) 1988 AL (18, 2%) 1989 AL (9, 17%) 1990 AL (1, 81%) 1 MVP 2.46 Career Shares |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:31 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point Fair, bad example
How about Wade Boggs? |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:33 AM Author: swollen garnet theater stage 4 top-7's -- still way better than rolen
MVP (rank, share) 1983 AL (12, 6%) 1985 AL (4, 41%) 1986 AL (7, 22%) 1987 AL (9, 16%) 1988 AL (6, 27%) 1989 AL (21, 1%) 1990 AL (22, 1%) 1994 AL (13, 5%) 1995 AL (17, 1%) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:35 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point lol @ "top-7" MVPs (I only count 3 in there btw). Boggs is an underrated all-time great, who would probably fail the "top 5 in the league" test, especially since MVPs are only measuring half the teams in the league. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839100) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:38 AM Author: swollen garnet theater stage i'm late to this sub-thread. i'm not endorsing the "top 5 in the league" test as the be all and end all. you could say that boggs was top 10 in the MLB for several years, while rolen was for 1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839108) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:42 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point How about Beltre? He'll deservedly go in on the first ballot, but was never talked about as one of the top-tier guys in the league. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839130) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:44 AM Author: swollen garnet theater stage i feel like he's a boggs
MVP (rank, share) 2004 NL (2, 69%) 2010 AL (9, 21%) 2011 AL (15, 2%) 2012 AL (3, 54%) 2013 AL (7, 24%) 2014 AL (15, 5%) 2015 AL (7, 20%) 2016 AL (7, 32%) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:58 AM Author: Splenetic antidepressant drug 2004: 9.2 WAR. 4th in MVP voting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838913) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:01 AM Author: topaz native ljl when your best season is Ken Griffey Jr's worst, of course you belong along side him in the Hall of Fame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838926) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:01 AM Author: magical stubborn home sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838928) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:02 AM Author: charismatic fishy site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838935) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:58 AM Author: swashbuckling useless elastic band electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839185) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:44 AM Author: Splenetic antidepressant drug Griffey had one >9.4 WAR season. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839408) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:07 PM Author: Primrose frum depressive well that does it. He has a better WAR! Scott Rolen come in to cooperstron. Griff, pack your fucking bags and gtfo! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839899) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:02 AM Author: chrome persian goal in life I generally agree, but if voters are going to exclude anyone with steroid ties (except Ortiz, lmao) and they still want to induct anyone, they have to dip down to Rolen types for this era.
That said they should’ve just inducted Bonds, Arod, Clemens, etc. |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:44 AM Author: Ultramarine hot bawdyhouse masturbator He was a top 5 3b for one or two years. He either won or almost won an MVP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839135) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:54 AM Author: charismatic fishy site none of that is hof worthy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839175) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:59 AM Author: Concupiscible love of her life He was a top 5 3b for a decade (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839186) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:57 AM Author: Concupiscible love of her life I like to think of myself as a Scott Rolen, or maybe Jeff Cirillo, poaster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838908) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:58 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point (Jeff Cirillo) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838912) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:57 AM Author: Ultramarine hot bawdyhouse masturbator Surprised he got in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838909) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:59 AM Author: magical stubborn home sweet tailpipe https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rolensc01.shtml
Similar Batters
Matt Holliday (886.1) Paul O'Neill (884.1) Shawn Green (882.6) Bobby Bonilla (879.7) Reggie Smith (879.4) Aramis Ramirez (878.2) Ron Santo (876.8) * Fred Lynn (875.4) Ken Boyer (871.0) Ellis Burks (870.0)
* - Signifies Hall of Famer === Top-10 MVP voting (once) === Absolute shitshow these Boomers don't let in Bonds but put in Rolen |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:02 AM Author: Concupiscible love of her life tbf, he was also a POTUS defensive player (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838932) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:03 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point cr
great defensive third basemen tend to be underrated, though the tide is beginning to shift |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:09 AM Author: rebellious curious gaping Third basemen we’re historically under included in the hall of fame, since voters tending to group them with 1B (better hitters at easier position).
2B conversely were overvalued.
Which raises the question of whether HOF should include best at each position or the best overall (obviously WAR adjusts for position) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:10 AM Author: magical stubborn home sweet tailpipe https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_def_career.shtml A la Graig Nettles and Dave Concepcion OWAS |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:13 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point Love Mark Belanger. Dude couldn't hit for shit but ground out a long career by being a GOAT-tier SS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838988) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:25 AM Author: rebellious curious gaping Good timing for rolen cause he would get AMOGd next year by Beltre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839054) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:04 AM Author: Opaque beady-eyed personal credit line area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45838949) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:32 AM Author: wonderful jewess goyim 180 Fred McGriff also got in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839088) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:40 AM Author: Canary Piazza Weed Whacker Not enough third basemen in the Hall. Was he the best third baseman of his generation? If so, I can see it, even though he is a whiny bitch who forced his way out of Philadelphia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839120) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:56 AM Author: thriller orchestra pit Chipper would like a word with you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839180) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:02 AM Author: swashbuckling useless elastic band electric furnace Chipper Jones is arguably the greatest 3b ever. rolen is not close to his class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839199) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:18 AM Author: Concupiscible love of her life Chipper and Griffey were my favorite players, but Mike Schmidt is miles ahead of Chipper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839276) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:04 AM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal No, Chipper Jones edit: sorry, not trying to pile on. I got distracted and then got beat. Miguel Cabrera was also a 3B for a few years. And then Adrian Beltre |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:18 AM Author: Canary Piazza Weed Whacker No problem piling on. Well deserved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839274) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 10:52 AM Author: walnut out-of-control round eye I always get him mixed up with Jim Thome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839171) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:01 AM Author: swashbuckling useless elastic band electric furnace its hilarious listening to poasters argue that scott fucking rolen belongs next to Ruth, Williams, Mays, Aaron, Griffey, etc... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839195) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:04 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point No one is arguing Scott Rolen was as good as those guys. But if we're going that route, lol at putting Griffey with Ruth, Williams, Mays, and Aaron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839209) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:06 AM Author: swashbuckling useless elastic band electric furnace Griffey absolutely belongs with those guys. this is not up for fucking debate man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839216) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:07 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point I grew up a massive Mariners fan and Griffey was my favorite player and no he fucking does not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839219) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:12 AM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal Griffery belongs in the hall. Your preferred version of it would have what, 40 guys? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839237) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:13 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point Of course Griffey belongs in the hall. My preferred version also has Rolen in the hall. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839244) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:22 AM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal ah ty. But disagree, chipper jones and adrian beltre yes, rolen should be a no. i think miguel cabrera should be a no too fwiw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839300) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:24 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point Rolen is a borderline case, so I don’t have a problem excluding him. But Miggy is an autoadmit imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839313) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:27 AM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal He has swagger, and an unbelievable amount of natural talent. 2 MVP's. Another 5 seasons in the top 5. But what a lazy alcoholic bum. For me it's depressing to think about how much better he could've been (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839327) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:28 AM Author: Puce hairraiser senate mad-dog skullcap you can't leave out a player that has the only triple crown in 55 years, let alone one with 2 MVPs and 4 batting titles. at that point just negate the HOF and start over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839338) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:32 AM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal i guess that's fair. just getting the triple crown does probably clinch it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839357) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:56 AM Author: vibrant judgmental state degenerate This is a shit-tier poast, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839492) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 12:01 PM Author: Odious sepia feces point bWAR: 1. Ruth 183 5. Mays 156 7. Aaron 143 14. Williams 122 57. Griffey 84
OPS+: 1. Ruth 206 2. Williams 191 25. Mays 155 25. Aaron 155 110. Griffey 136
wRC+: 1. Ruth 197 2. Williams 188 23. Mays 154 32. Aaron 153 193. Griffey 131
I love Griffey, but those guys are pretty clearly on another level.
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:06 PM Author: Primrose frum depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839893) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:22 PM Author: Odious sepia feces point Check the stats and then report back, idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839976) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:15 AM Author: Puce hairraiser senate mad-dog skullcap Jeff Kent is superior to Rolen in almost everything except jew sabermetrics, but he will never get in the Hall because he was a little bit mean sometimes to the fat white trolls that vote on this honor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839257) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:18 AM Author: Dun irradiated theatre cr, it's insane that Kent, the all time HR leader at his position (and no ties to roids) didn't get in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839270) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:20 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point hitting-wise their careers are very similar, but Rolen was a (significantly) better defender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839286) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:24 AM Author: Puce hairraiser senate mad-dog skullcap i don't think you can fairly compare "defense" for a 3B vs a 1B/2B
yes, I'm aware that Kent played roughly a season total as a 3B and that Rolen was better at it. doesn't mean Rolen should get in and Kent falls off the ballot.
the initial 10% vote for Rolen was the correct one
and Kent's trump card is MVP; Rolen never got all that close and frankly was rarely if ever the best player on his own team |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:25 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point Sure you can. Rolen was consistently one of the best defensive 3B in the league, and Kent was consistently below average. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839321) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:30 AM Author: Puce hairraiser senate mad-dog skullcap "consistently below average" for the 150 games out of 2034 that Kent played 3B? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839350) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:39 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point No, consistently below average at 2B.
The positions have similar defensive value, so if one of them is great at defense and the other one sucks at defense, it's an easy comparison to make. |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:34 AM Author: copper federal office idiot First hof player I have 0 memory of despite being a baseball fan during his career (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839365) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:35 AM Author: Puce hairraiser senate mad-dog skullcap Rolen and Troy Glaus are basically the same player to me.
the people that seem really vocal about Rolen are St. Louis dorks |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:32 PM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal cr, more years at "peak" troy glaus, and a longer career, but that's about the level of performance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45840034) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 12:19 PM Author: vibrant judgmental state degenerate Same. Never heard of the guy before this week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839603) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:42 AM Author: electric organic girlfriend The hall of fame should have separate tiers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839401) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:53 AM Author: Odious sepia feces point This would be cool
The HOF should also have Barry Bonds |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:56 AM Author: vibrant judgmental state degenerate The Hall of Fame
The Hall of You've Probably Heard of This Guy
The Hall of Even Most Baseball Fans Haven't Heard of This Guy |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 12:03 PM Author: Odious sepia feces point You realize the Hall of Fame is based on actual accomplishments and not just "fame" right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839521) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 12:17 PM Author: vibrant judgmental state degenerate Sure, but I'm a baseball fan and the name Scott Rolen doesn't even ring a bell for me. I guess I paid less attention to MLB during his playing years, but still. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839599) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:08 PM Author: Primrose frum depressive and the only thing rolen accomplished was being a "good" player for a decade. that aint what the Hall of Fame is supposed to be about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839912) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 12:11 PM Author: Opaque beady-eyed personal credit line area yes and then eliminate every one other than the top tier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839568) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:14 PM Author: rebellious curious gaping I think that would just leave Lou Gehrig, unless any other HOFer went to an Ivy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45839938) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:15 PM Author: rebellious curious gaping Wait Columbia has 4 HOFers plus Moe Berg?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/schools/index.cgi?key_school=454820c6 |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:21 PM Author: rebellious curious gaping Koufax is flame since he took night school classes while on the Dodgers.
Looks like only other Ivy HOFer is Jim O’Rourke, a YLS LLB no less
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O%27Rourke_(baseball) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:33 PM Author: swollen garnet theater stage koufax followed fellow jew ACP's advice about ivy certificates. he was a proto-poaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45840037) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:22 PM Author: swollen garnet theater stage a 2nd columbian is in the HOF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Collins |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:16 PM Author: Concupiscible love of her life Rolen was such a multisport Chad: During his senior year at Jasper in 1993, he was named Indiana Mr. Baseball,[2] played tennis, and was named to the Indiana high school basketball All-Star team.[3]
After a flurry of scholarship offers from schools like Oklahoma State and the University of Alabama, Rolen ultimately committed to playing college basketball for the Georgia Bulldogs.[4] That commitment was complicated when the Philadelphia Phillies of Major League Baseball (MLB) selected Rolen in the second round of the 1993 MLB Draft. Rolen told reporters after the draft that he hoped he could forge a deal that allowed him to play for the Phillies farm system in the summer and on the Georgia basketball team in the winter.[5] |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:33 PM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal I'm sure he was a big deal in high school, and even college (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45840040) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:35 PM Author: Concupiscible love of her life Definitely deserves to be in the Indiana Sports HoF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45840049) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 6:34 PM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45841730) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:37 PM Author: Canary Piazza Weed Whacker When he came up with the Phillies he was hyped in Philly as the next Mike Schmidt. He was an awesome fielder and could hit. He might have even had a little speed on the basepaths. I thought he was going to be great. In the end, I find his career a little underwhelming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45840066) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:42 PM Author: Concupiscible love of her life Yeah, he's a very borderline case. Squeaks in during a down year and because his WAR stats are median or above for current HOF third basemen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45840089) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 2:14 PM Author: diverse mental disorder stag film The problem with these arguments is that there is no consensus on whether players at the bottom of the top tier belong in the hall. Like he was obviously better than most of his contemporaries but well below Bonds and even at his position was behind Chipper Jones etc.
A career NL 3B will usually not accumulate the counting stats of an AL RF/DH type that plays to age 42, so I don’t think you can knock him for falling a bit short on counting stats. However I think the biggest criticism of his career is that even in some of his prime years he was not even part of the conversation for MVP. Like if you are 28 and 20+ other guys in your league are more productive - seems meh. I think he needed to peak higher for multiple years to really merit HOF. He basically had one great year and a bunch of years where you were happy to have him but would pick plenty of others ahead of him if redrafting teams. |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 3:07 PM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal cr. if you look at today's MLB, a guy like arenado just put up an absurd two seasons for stl at 3B. i know he gets some discount because of all the years at coors field, and he's also only 31 so needs a lot more productive years to hit the rolen/jones/beltre type counting numbers -- but i have absolutely no problem if nolan gets in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45840554) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 4:45 PM Author: Ultramarine hot bawdyhouse masturbator I consider Arenado a HOF type talent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45841144) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 6:34 PM Author: Rambunctious pit sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45841725) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:30 PM Author: Excitant dingle berry space Part of the issue is that there was a huge glut of players due to the steroid era. So you could only vote for 10 players, but you'd have Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, ARod, etc.
There just weren't enough votes to go around.
Johan Santana was probably the best pitcher in baseball for a 5 year stretch and got 2.4% of the vote. If you let him reset his HOF candidacy right now, I'm not sure he doesn't get to 75% eventually. |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:27 PM Author: Ultramarine hot bawdyhouse masturbator Johan should be in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45843056) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 11:40 PM Author: diverse mental disorder stag film Santana needed a few more years on the field. This is another ambiguous unwritten rule where voters are all over the map, but he would have had a good shot if his shoulder had held up enough to tack on something equivalent to Glavine's Mets career even though the core of Glavine's candidacy was his dominant years with the Braves. You no long have to win 300 games but you probably need to win 200 or have a very long run of effective seasons on shit teams where voters take pity and focus on other stats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277433&forum_id=2#45843140) |