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How do you get really good at doing trials?

I need to get good at this by the end of the year.
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
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Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
Do a lot of them.
Violent puppy
  01/26/23
...
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
...
Crystalline irradiated lay incel
  01/26/23
</thread> That's really the key. You can read all t...
greedy kink-friendly jew principal's office
  01/26/23
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histrionic resort police squad
  01/27/23
Doodikoff you got any trials coming up?
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
just a default judgment hearing in clayton county next month...
Racy bull headed genital piercing
  01/27/23
I want to come apprentice with you
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/27/23
I spoke about trademarks at an industry meeting last night a...
Racy bull headed genital piercing
  01/27/23
180
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/27/23
adderall and common sense
Violent Crackhouse
  01/26/23
I'm trying to avoid adderall. I think it might be bad for yo...
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
its horrible for you and you shouldnt take it (i dont) but i...
Violent Crackhouse
  01/26/23
What's tb12?
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
tom brady diet
Violent Crackhouse
  01/26/23
I've been doing a smoked chicken and veggies diet. It's pret...
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
yeah thats good
Violent Crackhouse
  01/26/23
how do you smoke your chicken?
sick sanctuary
  01/26/23
Dry rub and put In a masterbuilt smoker for 4 hours
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
...
histrionic resort police squad
  01/27/23
repeatedly appeal to the jury's common sense and speak in a ...
Electric weed whacker heaven
  01/26/23
I sound slightly country. But now that I live in the country...
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
But what if you live outside the NE?
greedy kink-friendly jew principal's office
  01/26/23
wear a bolo tie and speak in a southern drawl
Electric weed whacker heaven
  01/26/23
the trick is to litigate the shit out of every issue for as ...
duck-like gay lettuce
  01/26/23
This is what I want to get good at
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
issue spotting, just like law school finals
duck-like gay lettuce
  01/26/23
Law school is 180
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
Found the "litigator" who suddenly has a bunch of ...
greedy kink-friendly jew principal's office
  01/26/23
I’m a PD and I despise you and hope you burn in the fi...
Mint marvelous hall famous landscape painting
  01/26/23
I hope your most annoying client refuses to hire a private l...
greedy kink-friendly jew principal's office
  01/26/23
(annoying client’s brother)
Aphrodisiac Hateful Shitlib Temple
  01/26/23
...
Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin
  01/26/23
Joke’s on you almost all my clients fit this descripti...
Mint marvelous hall famous landscape painting
  01/27/23
...
Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin
  01/27/23
...
histrionic resort police squad
  01/27/23
But then the judge learns about the case and you can't pull ...
Magical Slimy Parlour
  01/27/23
...
Glittery impressive theater stage
  01/26/23
...
Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin
  01/26/23
I have a GOLMAD rump
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/26/23
gallon *or* liter of milk a day?
Stubborn saffron therapy
  01/27/23
ur done here
Trip liquid oxygen
  01/27/23
Gallon Of Lo Mein A Day
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/27/23
...
sick sanctuary
  01/27/23
I don't know if I am really good.
Magical Slimy Parlour
  01/27/23
You probably are
Federal Boltzmann
  01/27/23
I am not scared of doing them but I am not a good enough bul...
Magical Slimy Parlour
  01/27/23
Jurors might not be educated, but they aren't dumb. They ...
Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin
  01/27/23
I live in an all white area so jurors are pretty smart.
Magical Slimy Parlour
  01/27/23
You have to believe in what you are selling, and be a "...
Violent puppy
  01/27/23
You're great
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/27/23
1) be tall, good looking, etc. 2) have some sort of shtick ...
Spectacular very tactful legend
  01/27/23
1 3 8 10 are the only rules you need to master
Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin
  01/27/23
...
Spectacular very tactful legend
  01/27/23
This is all credited. The difficulty most people have a...
Violent puppy
  01/27/23
...
Spectacular very tactful legend
  01/27/23
I'm 2 trials away from filing out my ABOTA app, too
Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin
  01/27/23
Good job! It means a lot more where you are than here, but ...
Violent puppy
  01/27/23
It's funny because I have a total of 35 jury trials under my...
Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin
  01/27/23
Yeah I had like 25 civil jury trials where I was second chai...
Violent puppy
  01/27/23
Good advice. Ty
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/27/23
Don't be shy about calling jurors the next day after a verdi...
Violent puppy
  01/27/23
Ty
Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker
  01/27/23


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Date: January 26th, 2023 7:39 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

I need to get good at this by the end of the year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45846876)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:14 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45846996)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:15 PM
Author: Violent puppy

Do a lot of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45846997)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:17 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847004)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:18 PM
Author: Crystalline irradiated lay incel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847014)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:59 PM
Author: greedy kink-friendly jew principal's office

</thread>

That's really the key. You can read all the books you want, but there's no experience that can replace actually standing in front of people and TRYING shit, good or bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847190)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:13 PM
Author: histrionic resort police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849921)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:17 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

Doodikoff you got any trials coming up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847010)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:51 PM
Author: Racy bull headed genital piercing

just a default judgment hearing in clayton county next month, nothing big

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850444)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:51 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

I want to come apprentice with you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850447)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 4:02 PM
Author: Racy bull headed genital piercing

I spoke about trademarks at an industry meeting last night and today too lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850509)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 4:09 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850545)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:18 PM
Author: Violent Crackhouse

adderall and common sense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847017)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:19 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

I'm trying to avoid adderall. I think it might be bad for you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847022)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:51 PM
Author: Violent Crackhouse

its horrible for you and you shouldnt take it (i dont) but itll get you good at trials fast. for normal people, probably just go on the tb12 diet so you look normal and find clothes that fit properly so you can go into your dumb job confidently.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847144)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:53 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

What's tb12?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847159)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:57 PM
Author: Violent Crackhouse

tom brady diet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847182)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:58 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

I've been doing a smoked chicken and veggies diet. It's pretty good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847189)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 9:36 PM
Author: Violent Crackhouse

yeah thats good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847346)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 10:56 PM
Author: sick sanctuary

how do you smoke your chicken?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847627)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 11:34 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

Dry rub and put In a masterbuilt smoker for 4 hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847728)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:13 PM
Author: histrionic resort police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849924)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:52 PM
Author: Electric weed whacker heaven

repeatedly appeal to the jury's common sense and speak in a thick kike/guido accent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847152)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:54 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

I sound slightly country. But now that I live in the country everyone thinks I sound like a newscaster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847165)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:59 PM
Author: greedy kink-friendly jew principal's office

But what if you live outside the NE?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847193)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 9:30 PM
Author: Electric weed whacker heaven

wear a bolo tie and speak in a southern drawl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847326)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:55 PM
Author: duck-like gay lettuce

the trick is to litigate the shit out of every issue for as long as possible beforehand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847169)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:55 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

This is what I want to get good at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847171)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:57 PM
Author: duck-like gay lettuce

issue spotting, just like law school finals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847179)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:59 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

Law school is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847191)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 8:59 PM
Author: greedy kink-friendly jew principal's office

Found the "litigator" who suddenly has a bunch of "scheduling conflicts" after mediation fell through and now he has to sack-up and try the case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847195)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 9:16 PM
Author: Mint marvelous hall famous landscape painting

I’m a PD and I despise you and hope you burn in the fires of hell but CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847274)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 9:23 PM
Author: greedy kink-friendly jew principal's office

I hope your most annoying client refuses to hire a private lawyer and you're stuck with them.

I hope that same annoying client's mother/girlfriend/brother finds your personal cell phone number and calls you at all hours of the night just to do a 3-way jail call with the annoying client who is pissed about why you haven't gotten his charges dismissed yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847301)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 10:55 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Hateful Shitlib Temple

(annoying client’s brother)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847621)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 11:01 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847649)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 11:06 AM
Author: Mint marvelous hall famous landscape painting

Joke’s on you almost all my clients fit this description

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849004)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:12 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849911)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:14 PM
Author: histrionic resort police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849930)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:12 PM
Author: Magical Slimy Parlour

But then the judge learns about the case and you can't pull the wool over his eyes at the last minute.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849917)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 10:58 PM
Author: Glittery impressive theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847635)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 11:02 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847652)



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Date: January 26th, 2023 11:36 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

I have a GOLMAD rump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45847733)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 11:05 AM
Author: Stubborn saffron therapy

gallon *or* liter of milk a day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45848993)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 11:05 AM
Author: Trip liquid oxygen

ur done here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45848999)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:10 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

Gallon Of Lo Mein A Day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849894)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:34 PM
Author: sick sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850059)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:11 PM
Author: Magical Slimy Parlour

I don't know if I am really good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849906)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:13 PM
Author: Federal Boltzmann

You probably are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849920)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:14 PM
Author: Magical Slimy Parlour

I am not scared of doing them but I am not a good enough bullshitter to stand in front of a jury and argue a case if I don't believe it myself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849929)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:20 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin

Jurors might not be educated, but they aren't dumb.

They want to hear someone telling them the truth, even if that person is neverous as shit and stammering. They can tell if you are being sincere.

That's the real focus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849964)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:35 PM
Author: Magical Slimy Parlour

I live in an all white area so jurors are pretty smart.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850061)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:43 PM
Author: Violent puppy

You have to believe in what you are selling, and be a "truth bringer." Jurors are not fools. Seriously. I've seen enough focus group interactions to know they really do try to do the right thing.

The hardest cases to try to a jury, at least for me, are ones where I can't do that, either because of a paucity of property damage or some other major weakness to the case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850119)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:16 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

You're great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849938)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:19 PM
Author: Spectacular very tactful legend

1) be tall, good looking, etc.

2) have some sort of shtick that reliably plays to jurors you are reliably able to get through in voir dire. A set you play to. This will usually be the same set you specialize your practice around, but need not be.

3) be credible and compelling. You should project sincerity. This can come from believing your own BS (most common), or from genuinely trying to live the right sort of life (vanishing rare).

4) Lame but true: take some acting courses or something -- do some improv, act in some plays. Learn how to project and how to use space.

5) Know your role. Some people are great with experts, suck with other stuff; some are great on cross and on defense, but can't sell the affirmative case. It's usu best to figure out what your natural "typecast" role is and get rly good at it than to try to burnish stuff you're never going to be good at (if you have partners to help you).

6) Practice a lot. Do mock trials with mock juries whenever client is foolish enough to spring for it. Bug colleagues and ask them how you did, what you could do better. If you can, ask judges during events or w/e the same.

Always ask if you can poll the jury post-verdict. Don't be afraid to ask them faggy Hollywood type questions about how you did -- they're often happy to talk to you about it (if trial didn't go on too long).

7) Study top practitioners. Really break down what they do -- study them like a boxer studying for a match. Ditto for performances in movies and the like.

8) Know trial objections and evidence law cold. This should come with experience (though for many, it really doesn't). Keep abreast of all that stuff. Need to be able to fire off objections fast; make sure you don't waive by failing to present stuff @ close of evidence; etc.

9) Become proficient at working with your A/V vendors (or doing it yourself) & making presentations. Can make all the difference.

10) Have fun! Most people suck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849951)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:21 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin

1

3

8

10 are the only rules you need to master

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849976)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:23 PM
Author: Spectacular very tactful legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45849988)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:41 PM
Author: Violent puppy

This is all credited.

The difficulty most people have at least on the civil side is actually getting enough jury trials. It takes a few years to amass enough for ABOTA for example.

I've been at it for 20 years and I have a grand total of 23 jury trials that I first-chaired that went all the way to verdict. I know because I did the ABOTA application this year.

I would add: get into focus groups. See how the juries act when they are all together discussing the case. Most people are not xo monsters; they genuinely want to do the right thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850110)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:45 PM
Author: Spectacular very tactful legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850131)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:01 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin

I'm 2 trials away from filing out my ABOTA app, too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850213)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:02 PM
Author: Violent puppy

Good job! It means a lot more where you are than here, but we only have two guys currently in it so I figured I'd step in and join also. I like the Voir Dire magazine. Helpful stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850225)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:08 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Charismatic Turdskin

It's funny because I have a total of 35 jury trials under my belt; however, yo uhave to have 10 civil as 1st chair in order to qualify for ABOTA. So now I'm itching to get back into the courtroom to try a case and get the credit.

Insurance companies make it hard because they KNOW who will try a case and they will string the case out until the very last minute just to see what you'll do.

It's hard to tell a client, "No, turn down this GOOD OFFER, let's see what 12 random jurors think the case is worth"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850262)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:25 PM
Author: Violent puppy

Yeah I had like 25 civil jury trials where I was second chair or whatever but you cant really count those or you get like 5 points or whatever, and you cant count them if the case is struck before it goes to the jury.

I've got like 250 bench trials but those dont count either.

ABOTA isn't a big deal around here. I get the impression its a much bigger deal in California. But apparently I got unanimous vote for it so that's good. Annual fee is kinda pricey.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850323)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 2:45 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

Good advice. Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850130)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:30 PM
Author: Violent puppy

Don't be shy about calling jurors the next day after a verdict, win or lose. Ask them questions about your performance.

I fucked up once on something at trial about ten years ago and it really bothered me. When I called the foreperson after the losing verdict to ask about it, he was helpful. He said, "Yeah you fumbled that play, but the problem wasn't with that -- it was that we didn't want to hold the radiologist responsible for what the doctor did thereafter" or something like that. That was super helpful because it made me sharpen my closing schtick on the meaning of "*A* proximate cause"

Also, argue your case in voir dire. That's your time to connect with the jury before the hard grind of trial starts in earnest. I love voir dire. Even if the judge is stepping all over it, keep plugging away. at least 50 percent of the point of the questions should be to PRIME the jury to rule your way. So ask the question, get stomped, and move to the next question--ask it, get stomped, etc. It doesnt matter nearly as much as you'd think--they hear the questions even if they dont have to answer them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850351)



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Date: January 27th, 2023 3:39 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle deep windowlicker

Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5278491&forum_id=2#45850389)