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Where does Shawn Michaels rank among the all-time greats?
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Date: February 4th, 2023 4:59 PM Author: Hideous pit feces HBK was the best in-ring performer of all time and a killer heel promo, but his pre-injury world title reigns didn’t draw at all.
After his return from injury, he had some of the most incredible matches ever, but only won the world title once (for a short reign) and jobbed a lot (because he was born-again and wanted to repent for being a dick years earlier).
What’s HBK’s legacy? I still say he makes the top 5. Haters will say top 10 or below. |
Date: February 4th, 2023 5:01 PM Author: passionate pisswyrm plaza Right below Sting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887485) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:02 PM Author: Sienna electric orchestra pit He’s borderline top 5 but I’ll never get over how dirty he did Marty Jannety. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887487) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:04 PM Author: Hideous pit feces Jannetty dove through the window to escape! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887493) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:17 PM Author: Abnormal Theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887522) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:52 PM Author: Idiotic field Better or worse than when Marty turned a guy into a quadriplegic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887614) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:02 PM Author: bearded incel range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887491) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:08 PM Author: Lemon Nibblets He is Scum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887503) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:13 PM Author: Hideous pit feces Bret Hart literally called him scum in a 1997 promo.
He also called Triple H a “homo” in the same promo lmao |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:14 PM Author: bearded incel range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887517) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:43 PM Author: Lemon Nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887591) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 10:54 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house Bret hart is a weird, bitter dude and I'll never understand his appeal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888591) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 6:20 AM Author: Aromatic potus den potus tier technician in the ring (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889129) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 11:05 AM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house So is Dean malenko. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889530) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 11:26 AM Author: Henna swashbuckling church place of business Bret was 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889618) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:15 PM Author: Marvelous Resort i guess it depends who the top 5 are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887520) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:17 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house For me, I think he's got to be objectively top 5.
Only guys for sure above him are flair and hogan.
His combo of in ring performance, mic work, schtick, staying power, ability to be be heel or face.
He's not one of my subjective favs but an argument could be made that he's the GOAT. |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:19 PM Author: Hideous pit feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887531) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 6:30 PM Author: soul-stirring geriatric lay queen of the night hes one of the few all time greats who looks like he could lose a bar fight to a random bro. not sure if thats a positive or a negativce. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887740) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 10:35 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house Just is I suppose?
I'd rather a guy with Michaels's talent and physique than someone who looks badass but is a total stiff in the ring like Lex Luger or the ultimate warrior or Goldberg. |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 11:17 PM Author: soul-stirring geriatric lay queen of the night not denying Michaels' in-ring superiority but it doesn't come from any actual martial arts background. he is basically a twink that would be overpowered by anyone with training in any discipline. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888680) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 6:21 AM Author: Aromatic potus den the montreal screwjob had to happen because they knew michaels couldn't do anything about it if bret was going to shoot lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889132) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 12:42 PM Author: soul-stirring geriatric lay queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889930) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:23 PM Author: Hideous pit feces I will throw out a notional top 5 here:
Flair Hogan Austin HBK Undertaker
Obviously, this is leaving out Rock, Hart, HHH, Sting, etc. I am not wedded to Undertaker at #5 but for me, the top 4 are beyond dispute. |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:50 PM Author: unholy cracking water buffalo base How can you leave out Bob "Hardcore" Holly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887607) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 11:22 PM Author: bearded incel range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888694) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 6:09 AM Author: unholy cracking water buffalo base he feuded with lesnar and brock was SCARED of him. hardcore holly was getting arrested and/or escorted out by security on a regular basis after his run-ins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889127) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 2:27 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone duck-like brunch even after they stopped feuding, Lesnar ran for the hills at No Way Out 2004 when Holly headed out for his match with the manbeast Rhino. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45890282) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:54 PM Author: Idiotic field Where are Jake Roberts and Dusty Rhodes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887618) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 6:42 PM Author: Marvelous Resort for Roberts you can't realistically be a top 5 all time with no world titles. same problem with Roddy Piper.
Rhodes should get docked because he was booking himself the majority of the time (and was also an average worker in the ring at best) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 7:14 PM Author: Hideous pit feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887888) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 10:54 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house I don't really care about titles. Part of what made flair so great was his willingness to let guys get over on him.
It's all staged so why would I care more about a world title than the ability to make your opponent look good? |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 11:02 PM Author: Marvelous Resort It means the promoter doesn’t think you have what it takes to draw money at the top of the card.
Jake the Snake was great (and we probably have him to thank for Austin’s success somewhat as well) but no one was buying a ticket to see WWF Champion Jake Roberts |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 11:18 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house Fair. I guess same reason no one is shilling for Arn Anderson. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888685) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 10:56 PM Author: Idiotic field Fair (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888596) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 6:07 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house I'd put macho man over Austin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887649) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:47 PM Author: fragrant deer antler Objective top 5, subjective top 2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887599) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 5:53 PM Author: galvanic silver really tough guy Below top ten. Seemed like a force meme on WWF, no one really liked him he was small too.
For fucks sake his schtick was being a chippendales dancer, fuck that |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 6:08 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house Nice flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887659) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 6:37 PM Author: galvanic silver really tough guy I'm in Rock Glen nj what should I do here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887765) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 10:27 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house Rock Glen or Glen Rock? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888498) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 6:20 PM Author: Anal kink-friendly native faggot firefighter I rank Michaels just outside the top 5.
Top 5 (not necessarily in order):
Flair Hogan Macho Austin Rock
Next three are Michaels, Undertaker, and Mankind.
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Date: February 4th, 2023 6:43 PM Author: flickering station kitty Mankind / Dude Love / Cactus Jack was so 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887798) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 7:13 PM Author: Anal kink-friendly native faggot firefighter Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887885) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 7:29 PM Author: Hideous pit feces He was 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887946) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 7:28 PM Author: galvanic silver really tough guy Fucking loved that guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887939) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 10:52 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house For me, I have Michaels and mankind above rock and Austin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888583) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 11:46 PM Author: Anal kink-friendly native faggot firefighter Mankind is actually my all-time personal favorite.
But objectively I rank him just outside the top 5. |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 1:33 AM Author: Idiotic field Where would you put Cactus Jack and Dude Love? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888959) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 6:27 PM Author: hairraiser poppy mood keepsake machete number 1 in my ❤️ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887721) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 6:40 PM Author: flickering station kitty t10 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887782) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 7:11 PM Author: Hideous pit feces I could definitely see the case for Macho Man as T5. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887873) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 7:22 PM Author: Azure set Are we talking wrestling or sex with men? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887912) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 7:26 PM Author: Hideous pit feces HBK was straight my man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887924) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 7:27 PM Author: Azure set who said he wasn't? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45887932) |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 10:28 PM Author: Sienna electric orchestra pit I’m not your boy toy I’m just a sexy boy |
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Date: February 4th, 2023 10:47 PM Author: Rambunctious Judgmental Bawdyhouse Pozpig Def Top 10, arguably top five.
My subjective #2. |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 12:08 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone duck-like brunch 1980s-Present Wrestlers easily above HBK:
Hogan, Flair, Omega, Styles, Jarrett (Jeff), & Cena.
Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns are probably above him, and are still rising in their careers.
Lesnar, HHH, Nash, and Hall are probably above him.
HBK is CM Punk level. |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 12:17 AM Author: Hideous pit feces Come on man— Hall and Nash are above HBK? Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888812) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 2:45 AM Author: flickering station kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889046) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 10:50 AM Author: galvanic silver really tough guy 100%
Nash and Hall were legit badasses oozing charisma.
HBK is January 6-level forcememe of chillendales dancers |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 1:32 AM Author: Idiotic field What about guys like Jerry Lawler, Ricky Steamboat, Tito Santana, Randy Savage? Feel like HBK isn’t much higher than Honky Tonk Man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45888953) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 3:04 AM Author: Hideous pit feces Wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889066) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 12:58 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone duck-like brunch Before my time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45890011) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 8:33 AM Author: Anal kink-friendly native faggot firefighter Jeff Jarrett above Michaels?
WTF
To each his own, but Michaels was an electric ring performer & great on the microphone.
He had everything except size, though he wasn’t a little midget.
People rank Bret Hart as an all-time great & he didn’t have size, & Michaels blows Hart away in both personality & athleticism.
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Date: February 5th, 2023 10:08 AM Author: Hideous pit feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889424) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 11:06 AM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house 100% Bret hart for me was boring as a personality even if he was a good technical fake wrestler. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889537) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 11:20 AM Author: Hideous pit feces He was much better as a heel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889583) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 11:24 AM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house When? I thought he basically refused to make a heel turn throughout his career because he basically saw himself as a superhero. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889603) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 12:19 PM Author: Hideous pit feces He turned heel in ‘97 and did an “evil Canadian bashing America” schtick. It was pretty 180.
Some of his heel promos would fit in very well with XO 2023. |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 11:27 AM Author: Anal kink-friendly native faggot firefighter Cr. Bret Hart was boring as fuck. My whole family hated him because he was bland. Couldn’t care less about “technical expertise.” Hart marketed as a main draw was a WWF low point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889623) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 12:58 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone duck-like brunch HBK’s legacy is minimal given that he pretty much was just in one company, and he wasn’t around for that company’s hottest stretch of years.
Jarrett meanwhile was a fixture in WWF, WCW, NWA, founded TNA Impact, and is still popping up everywhere to bring relevance. |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 1:02 PM Author: Hideous pit feces Jarrett was in the midcard / upper midcard in WWF.
In WCW, he was world champ when the company was crumbling. I think Vince Russo and David Arquette also won the world title around that time, lmao.
Double J is more of a top 30 wrestler (maybe). |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 1:29 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house Jeff Jarrett above HBK? You're not serious right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45890097) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 1:32 PM Author: Hideous pit feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45890112) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 1:40 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone duck-like brunch HBK's contributions to the industry are minimal. I'm not a WWE-mo. Shawn's losing streak against Elderly Undertaker at Wrestlesmania isn't a point in his favor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45890146) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 2:01 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house When Jarrett came to WCW during the height of its dominance over WWF, he was a midcard guy. I'd groan whenever he came out wearing his dumb strappy white unitard thing.
He was only ever champ after WCW was burning down.
HBK is a lot of people's fav wrestler. Great schtick, many memorable matches, multiple royal rumble wins, best theme song, GOAT level finisher.
Like it's not even remotely close. Is Jarrett even a top 75 all time wrestler? |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 2:17 PM Author: soul-stirring geriatric lay queen of the night also underrated that he sang his own (ridiculous) entrance music. jeff jarrett? fraud who hired the road dogg to ghostwrite and ghost-sing his song. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45890254) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 2:42 PM Author: razzle-dazzle step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45890325) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 11:25 AM Author: Henna swashbuckling church place of business Sup Shawn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889615) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 12:19 PM Author: Hideous pit feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45889828) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 1:34 PM Author: Henna swashbuckling church place of business He and Bret Hart are neck and neck in my mind for all around best in ring performers. Shawn’s best match was probably the Hell in the Cell with Undertaker. Bret’s was WM13 with Austin, which I arguably consider the best pro wrestling match of all time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45890122) |
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Date: February 5th, 2023 1:55 PM Author: Hideous pit feces Agree that Hart-Austin at WM13 is the best match of all time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5284251&forum_id=2#45890191) |