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What the fuck is beer "distribution"?

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/biggest-losers-bud-light-boy...
hot sneaky criminal university
  05/25/23
same as any other distributership. theyre the people that sh...
pink charismatic juggernaut
  05/25/23
Why isn't it on the Walmart truck with everything else?
hot sneaky criminal university
  05/25/23
often times its on bud light trucks they just dont drive to ...
pink charismatic juggernaut
  05/25/23
Watch 'Beer Wars'
stimulating resort laser beams
  05/25/23
There is some weird 3 tier model required by law where brewe...
Aggressive appetizing school
  05/25/23
This is 180 btw "Truck drivers delivering Bud Light hav...
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  05/25/23
...
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  05/25/23
lol
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  05/25/23
lol poor bros tho, hung out to dry
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Motley Theatre
  05/25/23
this makes me think America still has a chance
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seems like it’s homophobic of the distributors to assu...
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gay beer salesman tp
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poppy bat-shit-crazy hell
  05/26/23
Middle man between producers and retailers.
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  05/25/23
A legally mandated and utterly absurd middle man.
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  05/25/23
100%. You should see the insane restrictions on brewerie...
opaque nudist antidepressant drug mood
  05/25/23
thank you religious conservatives!
Federal Multi-billionaire Blood Rage
  05/26/23
the law requires a 3-tier system (strict separation between ...
obsidian fiercely-loyal water buffalo
  05/25/23
In popular imagination beer distributors print money. They j...
hot sneaky criminal university
  05/25/23
yes and more importantly a personal connection to the manufa...
obsidian fiercely-loyal water buffalo
  05/25/23
holy shit government is diaper
hot sneaky criminal university
  05/25/23
the more people that are legally required to be involved the...
obsidian fiercely-loyal water buffalo
  05/25/23
...
carmine hospital
  05/26/23
if you bought distributorships in the 70s and had an ounce o...
pink charismatic juggernaut
  05/25/23
That's where John McCain's wife's money come from, for insta...
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  05/25/23
cr
poppy bat-shit-crazy hell
  05/26/23
You don't know anyone who owns a beer distribtor or a soda d...
Impressive home
  05/25/23
Not the same
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no, it's the same
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Heady Athletic Conference
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  05/25/23
(coca cola middleman)
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(jenny)
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  05/26/23
...
Charcoal jew
  05/25/23
I know someone like this but they just own McDonald's franch...
walnut talented whorehouse foreskin
  05/25/23
So 3 out of 4 rednecks are still drinking this? Pathetic.
aqua principal's office
  05/25/23
There's got to be a certain amount of libs and fags who are ...
Heady Athletic Conference
  05/25/23
You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the tens of ...
insanely creepy wine shitlib
  05/25/23
Why don't they just do gig economy bro like Amazon and have ...
hot sneaky criminal university
  05/25/23
"You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the te...
Heady Athletic Conference
  05/25/23
But most manufacturers that are legally allowed to don&rsquo...
insanely creepy wine shitlib
  05/25/23
For various large segments of the consumer-facing economy, t...
Heady Athletic Conference
  05/25/23
Ljl you are clueless. Google “coca cola distributor...
insanely creepy wine shitlib
  05/25/23
There's more profit in alcohol than soda Plus with alcoho...
Heady Athletic Conference
  05/25/23
somewhat, the bread you see in the store is distributed by s...
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  05/26/23
restaurants and bars are not nearly as standardized as super...
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  05/26/23
are you a lawyer?
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  05/25/23
What do you think?
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  05/25/23
Some of you are so ignorant about Business, it’s laugh...
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The media wants us to feel bad for these guys and stop our b...
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Can distributors distribute something else or do they have t...
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  05/26/23
they have all kinds of shit. they’re more like salesma...
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Seems like a 1930s mindset. Salesman in 2023? Flame?
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producers don’t want to house shit or mix up their pro...
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Bud distributors also distribute Logan Paul's energy drink s...
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obsidian fiercely-loyal water buffalo
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i used to represent two beer distributors. family owned busi...
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the biggest liquor distributors are multi-billion dollar fam...
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didn't Jesse Jackson end a boycott of A-B when he son was gi...
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It's where the real money is made. Controlling distribution...
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  05/26/23


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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:20 PM
Author: hot sneaky criminal university

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/biggest-losers-bud-light-boycott-hammers-hundreds-independent/story?id=99536969

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355703)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:22 PM
Author: pink charismatic juggernaut

same as any other distributership. theyre the people that ship bud light to businesses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355717)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:23 PM
Author: hot sneaky criminal university

Why isn't it on the Walmart truck with everything else?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355719)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:23 PM
Author: pink charismatic juggernaut

often times its on bud light trucks they just dont drive to literally everyone that sells it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355722)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: stimulating resort laser beams

Watch 'Beer Wars'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356317)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:24 PM
Author: Aggressive appetizing school

There is some weird 3 tier model required by law where breweries can't distribute their own beer

https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/three-tier-system-impacts-craft-beer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355729)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:25 PM
Author: Aggressive appetizing school

This is 180 btw "Truck drivers delivering Bud Light have received the middle finger from passersby, distributors have faced intentional collisions from shopping carts as they drop off beer and vendors have endured homophobic jokes calling them "gay beer salesmen," according to top officials at several beer distribution companies."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355733)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: Heady Athletic Conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355766)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:43 PM
Author: adventurous hall

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355829)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:27 PM
Author: Titillating kitty cat bawdyhouse

lol

poor bros tho, hung out to dry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356000)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:38 PM
Author: Motley Theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356272)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:12 PM
Author: sadistic temple bbw

this makes me think America still has a chance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358492)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:17 PM
Author: Concupiscible cuckold

seems like it’s homophobic of the distributors to assume “gay beer salesmen” was used as a homophobic joke and not a compliment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358521)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:18 PM
Author: indigo 180 parlour legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358523)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:43 PM
Author: metal address



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358625)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:46 PM
Author: thriller godawful spot

gay beer salesman tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358635)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:10 PM
Author: poppy bat-shit-crazy hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358789)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:26 PM
Author: opaque nudist antidepressant drug mood

Middle man between producers and retailers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355735)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:33 PM
Author: underhanded supple twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse

A legally mandated and utterly absurd middle man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355783)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:08 PM
Author: opaque nudist antidepressant drug mood

100%.

You should see the insane restrictions on breweries in NJ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355932)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 7:35 PM
Author: Federal Multi-billionaire Blood Rage

thank you religious conservatives!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46359856)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:28 PM
Author: obsidian fiercely-loyal water buffalo

the law requires a 3-tier system (strict separation between manufacturers, distributors, and retailers) to ensure that big time political donors get an equal slice of the monopoly. uhh sorry, i meant "to ensure the public health and safety."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355755)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:29 PM
Author: hot sneaky criminal university

In popular imagination beer distributors print money. They just have a fleet of big rigs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355762)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: obsidian fiercely-loyal water buffalo

yes and more importantly a personal connection to the manufacturer. once you land a distribution contract with a manufacturer no other distributor can move their product in your region. so you can imagine how much graft and corruption goes on in obtaining a contract from AB or brown forman or gallo wines. in any other business it'd be a blatant antitrust violation, but it's ok here because "it protects the public health and safety."

manufacturers across the country have had to fight like hell to sell their own product to-go because a manufacturer's license only allows for on-site consumption. the distributors and retailers lobby against it because it cuts them out - i mean uhh it endangers the public health and safety.

it's a total fucking racket.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355769)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:43 PM
Author: hot sneaky criminal university

holy shit government is diaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355826)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:52 PM
Author: obsidian fiercely-loyal water buffalo

the more people that are legally required to be involved the more people there are to ensure the public gets a safe, unadulterated product!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355872)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:43 PM
Author: carmine hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358627)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:32 PM
Author: pink charismatic juggernaut

if you bought distributorships in the 70s and had an ounce of sense you did mint money same as anything else. but yeah its just wearhouses, contracts, and trucks, so its not like its inherently profitable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355779)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:34 PM
Author: underhanded supple twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse

That's where John McCain's wife's money come from, for instance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355786)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:10 PM
Author: poppy bat-shit-crazy hell

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358792)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:44 PM
Author: Impressive home

You don't know anyone who owns a beer distribtor or a soda distributor?

It's basically the same thing as a car dealership with the same type of people owning them - they're given a legal monopoly and then for generations act like they're god's gift to business and "job creators"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355832)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:50 PM
Author: galvanic indian lodge community account

Not the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355862)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: Purple apoplectic turdskin

no, it's the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356311)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:46 PM
Author: Heady Athletic Conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356480)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:48 PM
Author: Charcoal jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356484)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:59 PM
Author: walnut talented whorehouse foreskin

(coca cola middleman)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356715)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:57 PM
Author: Concupiscible cuckold

(jenny)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358712)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:45 PM
Author: Charcoal jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356474)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:58 PM
Author: walnut talented whorehouse foreskin

I know someone like this but they just own McDonald's franchises ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356714)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:09 PM
Author: aqua principal's office

So 3 out of 4 rednecks are still drinking this? Pathetic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355937)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: Heady Athletic Conference

There's got to be a certain amount of libs and fags who are now drinking more Bud in some sort of fucked up solidarity with GC.

And it wouldn't take all that many to swing the pendulum a bit either, fags are notorious substance abusers & some rather small fraction of the population makes up a huge portion of alcohol sales.

IME it could still get a lot worse for Bud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356314)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:42 PM
Author: insanely creepy wine shitlib

You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the tens of thousands of retailers and restaurants in any decent sized city?

Distribution is the hidden industry of the American economy but it’s huge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356287)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:47 PM
Author: hot sneaky criminal university

Why don't they just do gig economy bro like Amazon and have mom and pops working for $4.13/hr after car wear deliver.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356306)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:49 PM
Author: Heady Athletic Conference

"You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the tens of thousands of retailers and restaurants in any decent sized city?"

Uh yeah? They 100% would if they could.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356323)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: insanely creepy wine shitlib

But most manufacturers that are legally allowed to don’t do that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356329)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:40 PM
Author: Heady Athletic Conference

For various large segments of the consumer-facing economy, they do all that and then some.

Soda, bread, chips, sweets, greeting cards at the grocery store? None of that shit passes through "normal" distribution channels. They all pay stores for shelf space and have their own distribution.

There's a reason why Tesla is fighting the dealership model. It's more profitable for them if they can sell direct to consumer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356462)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:53 PM
Author: insanely creepy wine shitlib

Ljl you are clueless.

Google “coca cola distributor”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356499)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:47 PM
Author: Heady Athletic Conference

There's more profit in alcohol than soda

Plus with alcohol you're still dealing with a limited set of licensees that can sell your stuff. With soda your customer base is unlimited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356679)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:18 PM
Author: multi-colored corn cake goal in life

somewhat, the bread you see in the store is distributed by someone who owns the 'route'. it's still a private, 3rd party that gets an exclusive area and is expected to deliver inventory and hustle a bit to push product

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358525)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:19 PM
Author: sadistic temple bbw

restaurants and bars are not nearly as standardized as supermarkets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358528)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:54 PM
Author: brindle hunting ground

are you a lawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356335)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:40 PM
Author: Heady Athletic Conference

What do you think?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356464)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:57 PM
Author: marvelous puppy

Some of you are so ignorant about Business, it’s laughable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356349)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:53 PM
Author: insanely creepy wine shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356501)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:47 PM
Author: Heady Athletic Conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356680)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 12:34 AM
Author: walnut talented whorehouse foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356789)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 12:58 AM
Author: Greedy Factory Reset Button

The media wants us to feel bad for these guys and stop our boycott. Without xo, I might have had some sympathy for these monopolist shitheads

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356829)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:11 PM
Author: Greedy Factory Reset Button

Can distributors distribute something else or do they have to starve to death if one product falls out of favor? I am sending $29 per month to support a starving bud light distributor, but it got me wondering

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358485)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:22 PM
Author: sadistic temple bbw

they have all kinds of shit. they’re more like salesman than delivery guys. like they might say “hey if you buy 20 cases of Popov I’ll throw in two free kegs of PBR.” shit like that. and the owner of a dive bar might switch the well vodka to Popov

people ITT who think restaurants and bars order consistent products and amounts like supermarkets are clueless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358537)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:35 PM
Author: hot sneaky criminal university

Seems like a 1930s mindset. Salesman in 2023? Flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358591)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:26 PM
Author: sadistic temple bbw

producers don’t want to house shit or mix up their production due to seasonality or just the fickleness of young idiots who booze. so they can just do what they do best - produce - and the distributors deal with transport, storage, etc. and if they want to dump something to get it off their books and/or out of their storage then they discount it and get it out to bars to deal with



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358885)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:54 PM
Author: arousing mexican field

Bud distributors also distribute Logan Paul's energy drink so they can make it up there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358684)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:16 PM
Author: maize menage

Sounds like a racket that organized mobsters run in secret meetings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358514)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:08 PM
Author: obsidian fiercely-loyal water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358778)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:40 PM
Author: Twisted big black woman

i used to represent two beer distributors. family owned businesses. basically a printing press. anyone in a distributor's geographical region that buys budweiser, miller, etc. have to buy it from the distributor.

there are laws in place that protect distributors too. they spend lots of money on lobbyists and such.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358617)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:55 PM
Author: canary insecure pistol

the biggest liquor distributors are multi-billion dollar family companies its crazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358695)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 7:11 PM
Author: galvanic indian lodge community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46359814)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 7:33 PM
Author: Fragrant ungodly internal respiration

didn't Jesse Jackson end a boycott of A-B when he son was given one of the biggest distributorships in the US?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46359849)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:09 PM
Author: poppy bat-shit-crazy hell

It's where the real money is made. Controlling distribution, i.e. the pipeline, ensures winners and losers.

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