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What the fuck is beer "distribution"?

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/biggest-losers-bud-light-boy...
bossy corn cake
  05/25/23
same as any other distributership. theyre the people that sh...
Floppy Azure Puppy Parlor
  05/25/23
Why isn't it on the Walmart truck with everything else?
bossy corn cake
  05/25/23
often times its on bud light trucks they just dont drive to ...
Floppy Azure Puppy Parlor
  05/25/23
Watch 'Beer Wars'
Glittery point sex offender
  05/25/23
There is some weird 3 tier model required by law where brewe...
obsidian becky
  05/25/23
This is 180 btw "Truck drivers delivering Bud Light hav...
obsidian becky
  05/25/23
...
Odious mad-dog skullcap
  05/25/23
lol
Insane jade cumskin heaven
  05/25/23
lol poor bros tho, hung out to dry
Dun heady regret
  05/25/23
...
swollen dysfunction
  05/25/23
this makes me think America still has a chance
underhanded dingle berry forum
  05/26/23
seems like it’s homophobic of the distributors to assu...
hairraiser church building
  05/26/23
...
maize histrionic casino
  05/26/23
...
razzmatazz unholy fat ankles shitlib
  05/26/23
gay beer salesman tp
Fuchsia Karate
  05/26/23
...
aphrodisiac fear-inspiring hospital alpha
  05/26/23
Middle man between producers and retailers.
Excitant digit ratio
  05/25/23
A legally mandated and utterly absurd middle man.
Wild concupiscible station
  05/25/23
100%. You should see the insane restrictions on brewerie...
Excitant digit ratio
  05/25/23
thank you religious conservatives!
carmine bearded tattoo
  05/26/23
the law requires a 3-tier system (strict separation between ...
henna theater stage
  05/25/23
In popular imagination beer distributors print money. They j...
bossy corn cake
  05/25/23
yes and more importantly a personal connection to the manufa...
henna theater stage
  05/25/23
holy shit government is diaper
bossy corn cake
  05/25/23
the more people that are legally required to be involved the...
henna theater stage
  05/25/23
...
Stirring menage
  05/26/23
if you bought distributorships in the 70s and had an ounce o...
Floppy Azure Puppy Parlor
  05/25/23
That's where John McCain's wife's money come from, for insta...
Wild concupiscible station
  05/25/23
cr
aphrodisiac fear-inspiring hospital alpha
  05/26/23
You don't know anyone who owns a beer distribtor or a soda d...
ruddy antidepressant drug
  05/25/23
Not the same
Multi-colored mental disorder
  05/25/23
no, it's the same
spectacular puce bawdyhouse
  05/25/23
...
Odious mad-dog skullcap
  05/25/23
...
Cyan Geriatric Crackhouse Affirmative Action
  05/25/23
(coca cola middleman)
Brass kitty
  05/25/23
(jenny)
hairraiser church building
  05/26/23
...
Cyan Geriatric Crackhouse Affirmative Action
  05/25/23
I know someone like this but they just own McDonald's franch...
Brass kitty
  05/25/23
So 3 out of 4 rednecks are still drinking this? Pathetic.
razzle sneaky criminal brunch
  05/25/23
There's got to be a certain amount of libs and fags who are ...
Odious mad-dog skullcap
  05/25/23
You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the tens of ...
mint frozen roast beef legal warrant
  05/25/23
Why don't they just do gig economy bro like Amazon and have ...
bossy corn cake
  05/25/23
"You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the te...
Odious mad-dog skullcap
  05/25/23
But most manufacturers that are legally allowed to don&rsquo...
mint frozen roast beef legal warrant
  05/25/23
For various large segments of the consumer-facing economy, t...
Odious mad-dog skullcap
  05/25/23
Ljl you are clueless. Google “coca cola distributor...
mint frozen roast beef legal warrant
  05/25/23
There's more profit in alcohol than soda Plus with alcoho...
Odious mad-dog skullcap
  05/25/23
somewhat, the bread you see in the store is distributed by s...
180 flesh elastic band
  05/26/23
restaurants and bars are not nearly as standardized as super...
underhanded dingle berry forum
  05/26/23
are you a lawyer?
cream metal pervert range
  05/25/23
What do you think?
Odious mad-dog skullcap
  05/25/23
Some of you are so ignorant about Business, it’s laugh...
trip theatre quadroon
  05/25/23
...
mint frozen roast beef legal warrant
  05/25/23
...
Odious mad-dog skullcap
  05/25/23
...
Brass kitty
  05/26/23
The media wants us to feel bad for these guys and stop our b...
coiffed skinny woman house
  05/26/23
Can distributors distribute something else or do they have t...
coiffed skinny woman house
  05/26/23
they have all kinds of shit. they’re more like salesma...
underhanded dingle berry forum
  05/26/23
Seems like a 1930s mindset. Salesman in 2023? Flame?
bossy corn cake
  05/26/23
producers don’t want to house shit or mix up their pro...
underhanded dingle berry forum
  05/26/23
Bud distributors also distribute Logan Paul's energy drink s...
slate demanding school cafeteria wrinkle
  05/26/23
Sounds like a racket that organized mobsters run in secret m...
curious buff abode
  05/26/23
...
henna theater stage
  05/26/23
i used to represent two beer distributors. family owned busi...
lavender gas station philosopher-king
  05/26/23
the biggest liquor distributors are multi-billion dollar fam...
Vibrant Tan Piazza Messiness
  05/26/23
...
Multi-colored mental disorder
  05/26/23
didn't Jesse Jackson end a boycott of A-B when he son was gi...
flatulent charismatic locale black woman
  05/26/23
It's where the real money is made. Controlling distribution...
aphrodisiac fear-inspiring hospital alpha
  05/26/23


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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:20 PM
Author: bossy corn cake

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/biggest-losers-bud-light-boycott-hammers-hundreds-independent/story?id=99536969

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355703)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:22 PM
Author: Floppy Azure Puppy Parlor

same as any other distributership. theyre the people that ship bud light to businesses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355717)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:23 PM
Author: bossy corn cake

Why isn't it on the Walmart truck with everything else?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355719)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:23 PM
Author: Floppy Azure Puppy Parlor

often times its on bud light trucks they just dont drive to literally everyone that sells it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355722)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: Glittery point sex offender

Watch 'Beer Wars'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356317)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:24 PM
Author: obsidian becky

There is some weird 3 tier model required by law where breweries can't distribute their own beer

https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/three-tier-system-impacts-craft-beer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355729)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:25 PM
Author: obsidian becky

This is 180 btw "Truck drivers delivering Bud Light have received the middle finger from passersby, distributors have faced intentional collisions from shopping carts as they drop off beer and vendors have endured homophobic jokes calling them "gay beer salesmen," according to top officials at several beer distribution companies."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355733)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355766)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:43 PM
Author: Insane jade cumskin heaven

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355829)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:27 PM
Author: Dun heady regret

lol

poor bros tho, hung out to dry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356000)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:38 PM
Author: swollen dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356272)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:12 PM
Author: underhanded dingle berry forum

this makes me think America still has a chance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358492)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:17 PM
Author: hairraiser church building

seems like it’s homophobic of the distributors to assume “gay beer salesmen” was used as a homophobic joke and not a compliment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358521)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:18 PM
Author: maize histrionic casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358523)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:43 PM
Author: razzmatazz unholy fat ankles shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358625)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:46 PM
Author: Fuchsia Karate

gay beer salesman tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358635)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:10 PM
Author: aphrodisiac fear-inspiring hospital alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358789)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:26 PM
Author: Excitant digit ratio

Middle man between producers and retailers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355735)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:33 PM
Author: Wild concupiscible station

A legally mandated and utterly absurd middle man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355783)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:08 PM
Author: Excitant digit ratio

100%.

You should see the insane restrictions on breweries in NJ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355932)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 7:35 PM
Author: carmine bearded tattoo

thank you religious conservatives!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46359856)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:28 PM
Author: henna theater stage

the law requires a 3-tier system (strict separation between manufacturers, distributors, and retailers) to ensure that big time political donors get an equal slice of the monopoly. uhh sorry, i meant "to ensure the public health and safety."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355755)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:29 PM
Author: bossy corn cake

In popular imagination beer distributors print money. They just have a fleet of big rigs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355762)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: henna theater stage

yes and more importantly a personal connection to the manufacturer. once you land a distribution contract with a manufacturer no other distributor can move their product in your region. so you can imagine how much graft and corruption goes on in obtaining a contract from AB or brown forman or gallo wines. in any other business it'd be a blatant antitrust violation, but it's ok here because "it protects the public health and safety."

manufacturers across the country have had to fight like hell to sell their own product to-go because a manufacturer's license only allows for on-site consumption. the distributors and retailers lobby against it because it cuts them out - i mean uhh it endangers the public health and safety.

it's a total fucking racket.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355769)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:43 PM
Author: bossy corn cake

holy shit government is diaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355826)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:52 PM
Author: henna theater stage

the more people that are legally required to be involved the more people there are to ensure the public gets a safe, unadulterated product!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355872)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:43 PM
Author: Stirring menage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358627)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:32 PM
Author: Floppy Azure Puppy Parlor

if you bought distributorships in the 70s and had an ounce of sense you did mint money same as anything else. but yeah its just wearhouses, contracts, and trucks, so its not like its inherently profitable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355779)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:34 PM
Author: Wild concupiscible station

That's where John McCain's wife's money come from, for instance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355786)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:10 PM
Author: aphrodisiac fear-inspiring hospital alpha

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358792)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:44 PM
Author: ruddy antidepressant drug

You don't know anyone who owns a beer distribtor or a soda distributor?

It's basically the same thing as a car dealership with the same type of people owning them - they're given a legal monopoly and then for generations act like they're god's gift to business and "job creators"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355832)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:50 PM
Author: Multi-colored mental disorder

Not the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355862)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: spectacular puce bawdyhouse

no, it's the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356311)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:46 PM
Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356480)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:48 PM
Author: Cyan Geriatric Crackhouse Affirmative Action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356484)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:59 PM
Author: Brass kitty

(coca cola middleman)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356715)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:57 PM
Author: hairraiser church building

(jenny)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358712)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:45 PM
Author: Cyan Geriatric Crackhouse Affirmative Action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356474)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:58 PM
Author: Brass kitty

I know someone like this but they just own McDonald's franchises ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356714)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:09 PM
Author: razzle sneaky criminal brunch

So 3 out of 4 rednecks are still drinking this? Pathetic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355937)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap

There's got to be a certain amount of libs and fags who are now drinking more Bud in some sort of fucked up solidarity with GC.

And it wouldn't take all that many to swing the pendulum a bit either, fags are notorious substance abusers & some rather small fraction of the population makes up a huge portion of alcohol sales.

IME it could still get a lot worse for Bud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356314)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:42 PM
Author: mint frozen roast beef legal warrant

You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the tens of thousands of retailers and restaurants in any decent sized city?

Distribution is the hidden industry of the American economy but it’s huge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356287)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:47 PM
Author: bossy corn cake

Why don't they just do gig economy bro like Amazon and have mom and pops working for $4.13/hr after car wear deliver.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356306)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:49 PM
Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap

"You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the tens of thousands of retailers and restaurants in any decent sized city?"

Uh yeah? They 100% would if they could.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356323)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: mint frozen roast beef legal warrant

But most manufacturers that are legally allowed to don’t do that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356329)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:40 PM
Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap

For various large segments of the consumer-facing economy, they do all that and then some.

Soda, bread, chips, sweets, greeting cards at the grocery store? None of that shit passes through "normal" distribution channels. They all pay stores for shelf space and have their own distribution.

There's a reason why Tesla is fighting the dealership model. It's more profitable for them if they can sell direct to consumer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356462)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:53 PM
Author: mint frozen roast beef legal warrant

Ljl you are clueless.

Google “coca cola distributor”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356499)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:47 PM
Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap

There's more profit in alcohol than soda

Plus with alcohol you're still dealing with a limited set of licensees that can sell your stuff. With soda your customer base is unlimited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356679)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:18 PM
Author: 180 flesh elastic band

somewhat, the bread you see in the store is distributed by someone who owns the 'route'. it's still a private, 3rd party that gets an exclusive area and is expected to deliver inventory and hustle a bit to push product

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358525)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:19 PM
Author: underhanded dingle berry forum

restaurants and bars are not nearly as standardized as supermarkets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358528)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:54 PM
Author: cream metal pervert range

are you a lawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356335)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:40 PM
Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap

What do you think?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356464)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:57 PM
Author: trip theatre quadroon

Some of you are so ignorant about Business, it’s laughable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356349)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:53 PM
Author: mint frozen roast beef legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356501)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:47 PM
Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356680)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 12:34 AM
Author: Brass kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356789)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 12:58 AM
Author: coiffed skinny woman house

The media wants us to feel bad for these guys and stop our boycott. Without xo, I might have had some sympathy for these monopolist shitheads

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356829)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:11 PM
Author: coiffed skinny woman house

Can distributors distribute something else or do they have to starve to death if one product falls out of favor? I am sending $29 per month to support a starving bud light distributor, but it got me wondering

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358485)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:22 PM
Author: underhanded dingle berry forum

they have all kinds of shit. they’re more like salesman than delivery guys. like they might say “hey if you buy 20 cases of Popov I’ll throw in two free kegs of PBR.” shit like that. and the owner of a dive bar might switch the well vodka to Popov

people ITT who think restaurants and bars order consistent products and amounts like supermarkets are clueless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358537)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:35 PM
Author: bossy corn cake

Seems like a 1930s mindset. Salesman in 2023? Flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358591)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:26 PM
Author: underhanded dingle berry forum

producers don’t want to house shit or mix up their production due to seasonality or just the fickleness of young idiots who booze. so they can just do what they do best - produce - and the distributors deal with transport, storage, etc. and if they want to dump something to get it off their books and/or out of their storage then they discount it and get it out to bars to deal with



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358885)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:54 PM
Author: slate demanding school cafeteria wrinkle

Bud distributors also distribute Logan Paul's energy drink so they can make it up there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358684)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:16 PM
Author: curious buff abode

Sounds like a racket that organized mobsters run in secret meetings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358514)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:08 PM
Author: henna theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358778)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:40 PM
Author: lavender gas station philosopher-king

i used to represent two beer distributors. family owned businesses. basically a printing press. anyone in a distributor's geographical region that buys budweiser, miller, etc. have to buy it from the distributor.

there are laws in place that protect distributors too. they spend lots of money on lobbyists and such.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358617)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:55 PM
Author: Vibrant Tan Piazza Messiness

the biggest liquor distributors are multi-billion dollar family companies its crazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358695)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 7:11 PM
Author: Multi-colored mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46359814)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 7:33 PM
Author: flatulent charismatic locale black woman

didn't Jesse Jackson end a boycott of A-B when he son was given one of the biggest distributorships in the US?

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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:09 PM
Author: aphrodisiac fear-inspiring hospital alpha

It's where the real money is made. Controlling distribution, i.e. the pipeline, ensures winners and losers.

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