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Farissa’s Crossing thread deleted once bad reviews started rolling in

Odd case
Bossy Kitty Cat
  10/01/23
link for those interested in reading: https://antipodes.s...
Swashbuckling Legend Lay
  10/02/23
LOL that pensive is a mod, holy shit
Fighting godawful main people
  10/01/23
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bearded kitchen
  10/01/23
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Fighting godawful main people
  10/01/23
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Swashbuckling Legend Lay
  10/02/23
I thought it was really good and would like a hardcover
red property prole
  10/01/23
I printed it out and am going to read while watching SNF
histrionic library
  10/01/23
...
Fighting godawful main people
  10/01/23
lol
overrated preventive strike set
  10/01/23
I downloaded it but if i repost it is pensive going to come ...
Fighting godawful main people
  10/01/23
Anyways there is a suspicious amount of stuff about feet in ...
Fighting godawful main people
  10/01/23
tbf it's about a crossing and feet are central
nudist school cafeteria alpha
  10/01/23
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irate nursing home bbw
  10/01/23
“Lorani women simply did not go about barefoot if ther...
histrionic library
  10/01/23
I thought the feet were blistered
gold tattoo newt
  10/01/23
Yeah, there's nothing sexy about blistered feet after runnin...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/01/23
(Yes, it's the real MFG.) Honestly, while that element ma...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/01/23
Ok, read first 2 chapters, thoughts. 1) Farisa was born ...
histrionic library
  10/01/23
What’s your rating friend
Orange submissive place of business
  10/01/23
Not a litmo, or fantasymo so not sure I have any thing reall...
histrionic library
  10/02/23
Cool. I hope you like the rest of it, when it comes out. The...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/02/23
73 unless I made a mistake, which is quite possible. My conc...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/01/23
Oh, also: the real meaning of "fariza" is more com...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/01/23
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Orange submissive place of business
  10/01/23
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Orange submissive place of business
  10/02/23
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Twinkling Mad Cow Disease
  10/01/23
Enjoying the parts about the 15 year old's journey of sexual...
Fighting godawful main people
  10/01/23
So, how are things going at Y Combinator? That's not how ...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/01/23
Tell that to anne frank
Blue Fortuitous Meteor Spot
  10/02/23
perfectly normal
Twinkling Mad Cow Disease
  10/02/23
...
Fighting godawful main people
  10/02/23
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offensive sickened business firm lettuce
  10/02/23
i think pensive's mistake was working for far too long on th...
Swashbuckling Legend Lay
  10/02/23
Obsessives (in general) have a hard time understanding itera...
irate nursing home bbw
  10/02/23
This isn't why novelists do that. Writing is very reputat...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/02/23
Lots of writers had close relationships with other authors t...
irate nursing home bbw
  10/02/23
I think there's something to be said, though, for learning a...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/02/23
Bach traveled by foot to see Buxtehude Einstein had his mat...
irate nursing home bbw
  10/02/23
Oh, no, I've had a dozen readers go through it, and that's b...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/02/23
first novels are (almost) always terrible. especially withou...
overrated preventive strike set
  10/02/23
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irate nursing home bbw
  10/02/23
I'm not aware of any thread where bad reviews started rollin...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/02/23
?? https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5399171&...
Bossy Kitty Cat
  10/02/23
"Thread has been disabled" What was it? If it's...
Outnumbered University Giraffe
  10/02/23
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Orange submissive place of business
  10/02/23
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Passionate maroon base
  05/09/24


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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:08 PM
Author: Bossy Kitty Cat

Odd case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870587)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:39 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Legend Lay

link for those interested in reading:

https://antipodes.substack.com/p/farisas-crossing-chapters-12-now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875159)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:08 PM
Author: Fighting godawful main people

LOL that pensive is a mod, holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870590)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:09 PM
Author: bearded kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870594)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:10 PM
Author: Fighting godawful main people



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870598)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:36 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Legend Lay



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:10 PM
Author: red property prole

I thought it was really good and would like a hardcover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870600)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:11 PM
Author: histrionic library

I printed it out and am going to read while watching SNF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870607)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:13 PM
Author: Fighting godawful main people



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870615)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:10 PM
Author: overrated preventive strike set

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870604)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:11 PM
Author: Fighting godawful main people

I downloaded it but if i repost it is pensive going to come after me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870609)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:12 PM
Author: Fighting godawful main people

Anyways there is a suspicious amount of stuff about feet in the first few pages, like every paragraph pensive stops to comment on this young girl's soft feet, how they're squishing in the mud, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870614)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:18 PM
Author: nudist school cafeteria alpha

tbf it's about a crossing and feet are central

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870638)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:23 PM
Author: irate nursing home bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870668)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:23 PM
Author: histrionic library

“Lorani women simply did not go about barefoot if there was any risk of their being seen by men.“. Ch. 2 “enter farisa”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870672)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:45 PM
Author: gold tattoo newt

I thought the feet were blistered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870772)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:40 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

Yeah, there's nothing sexy about blistered feet after running through a fucking forest fire, or blistered feet in general.

Then again, I'm not a foot guy. What do I know?

The foot modesty of her culture has to be there for a number of artistic reasons that'll make sense later in the book but, yes, I am worried about people imputing things about me from the fact that it's there. I needed something that was "more naked than naked" but also not sexual or gratuitous, so I picked a body part that almost no one cares about.

Also, Lorani women are only sensitive about the bottoms of their feet. The top is not a big deal. They'll wear sandals, although Farisa wouldn't. The inspiration is Thai culture, where you simply do not let anyone see the bottoms of your feet... although in Thailand, it isn't gendered.

Yes, I researched the fucking shit out of every detail in this book, even though it's a world I made up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871053)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:35 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

(Yes, it's the real MFG.)

Honestly, while that element makes artistic sense, I am a bit worried about people reading a foot fetish when I really don't have one.

The thing is that nakedness is overdone and no longer "feels naked", so I need something for the character that is ordinary and boring for most people (hardly anyone cares about feet) but that feels really exposed for the character. The fact that she's barefoot in 1-A, 2-A is distinctly unpleasant for her.

It's like Altered Carbon. "Real death" (stack smashing) is somehow made _more horrible than_ regular murder, even though all death in real life _is real death_. Every time she is barefoot, it's _more_ vulnerable than regular nakedness (which is so overdone.)

But, because there _are_ foot people out there, I don't even put that in the childhood scenes at all. I'm not a foot guy but I know they exist.

I try to avoid the "naked just because" of GoT because I found the aggressive sexuality—I don't mind nudity at all, but the TV show was just gratuitous, not so much with the nudity but the exploitation—to be useless and bland.

Honestly, though, the foot thing (I'm not a foot fetishist) is probably only #9 or #10 when it comes to the Y Combinator (PG himself doesn't give a shit about me) attack vectors that I'm worried about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871032)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:24 PM
Author: histrionic library

Ok, read first 2 chapters, thoughts.

1) Farisa was born on October 1 ‘72 - happy birbrday!

2) Farisa means “virtue” in Lyrian

3) Farisa is aspie as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870967)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:26 PM
Author: Orange submissive place of business

What’s your rating friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46870979)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 1:47 PM
Author: histrionic library

Not a litmo, or fantasymo so not sure I have any thing really relevant to say. I have read ASOIAF and all the Jasper Fforde novels so I guess I like a good world building novel. World seems interesting so far although obviously a lot to go.

I was a little worried it would be hard to read since it seems like it’s supposed to be “literary” but while the first chapter had some intense passages it was pretty readable in general. And I learned that “clement weather” is a thing 😂

Anyway, having blogged about this novel for years here I guess I feel oddly invested - obviously a yuge effort to write this and throw it out to the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46873422)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 8:29 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

Cool. I hope you like the rest of it, when it comes out. There've been delays (editor change, again, long story... not something that has anything to do with me or the book) but it's not that far off target.

I'm probably two or three years past the point where the aesthetic tweaks will have any influence on sales (which literally nobody can predict, and has very little to do with literary quality anyway) if we're being honest... so now it's just about finding an editor who can do the last mile, which doesn't seem like it would be that hard, but often is. If you hire a freelancer, you'll probably get shoddy work, and you can't go on reputation because the problem isn't unskilled editors but skilled, reputable ones who outsource (happened to me once.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875609)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:36 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

73 unless I made a mistake, which is quite possible. My concordance files are ridiculous.

And yeah, all mages are mentally ill. Otherwise, they would rule the world. Unlike in WoT, though, mental illness comes even for those who never use it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871034)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

Oh, also: the real meaning of "fariza" is more complicated and darker than that. It's untranslatable, and virtue is one of its meanings, but not the only one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871093)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 10:11 PM
Author: Orange submissive place of business



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 10:42 AM
Author: Orange submissive place of business



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:40 PM
Author: Twinkling Mad Cow Disease



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Date: October 1st, 2023 9:57 PM
Author: Fighting godawful main people

Enjoying the parts about the 15 year old's journey of sexual self discovery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871103)



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Date: October 1st, 2023 10:09 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

So, how are things going at Y Combinator?

That's not how you're supposed to read that. It's perfectly normal that a sheltered/inexperienced 15-year-old girl would want to know what it's like to do normal teenage stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46871147)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 10:43 AM
Author: Blue Fortuitous Meteor Spot

Tell that to anne frank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46872362)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 10:59 AM
Author: Twinkling Mad Cow Disease

perfectly normal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46872481)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 10:40 AM
Author: Fighting godawful main people



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:30 PM
Author: offensive sickened business firm lettuce



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:41 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Legend Lay

i think pensive's mistake was working for far too long on this novel before releasing a bit of it. much better to release a larger, rougher work earlier to a wide audience and use the feedback to iterate quickly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875166)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 6:43 PM
Author: irate nursing home bbw

Obsessives (in general) have a hard time understanding iterative development, they want to be as perfect as possible on the first try so that they receive as little ego-damaging criticism as possible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875176)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:22 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

This isn't why novelists do that.

Writing is very reputation-based and a bad book can kill you. In the olden days (before 1980) a bad book simply was forgotten, and a lot of bad first books were.

Iterative development used to the way it was done. "Debut" books were usually quite bad—someone like me would have been first published 7 years earlier, because they started you when you barely knew how to write—and almost invariably forgotten twelve weeks after they were published.

The reason it can't be done that way anymore is that, for all the hate publishing houses get, the world was actually a lot better when they had the power and not chain bookstores (or Amazon) because they could actually support writers as they got better. Whereas, a chain like B&N or Borders is going to pull an author's numbers and, if they aren't perfect, nope out. That's why the iterative development culture died.

You see a lot of the opposite problem, too, in publishing. You see a lot of authors whose first books do really well because of extensive editing and publisher support, but whose second books flop, especially because of the pressure to get them out fast (and thus avoid trace decay of the first one's success.) These days, it tends to be second books that are the worst.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875334)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:28 PM
Author: irate nursing home bbw

Lots of writers had close relationships with other authors that would help revise the work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875371)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

I think there's something to be said, though, for learning all those skills on your own. Self-reliance. The age in which you could trust a social circle and a publisher to do, well, anything, is over. And who knows what's going to be left of trade publishing after AI is done with it? Probably not all that much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875393)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:37 PM
Author: irate nursing home bbw

Bach traveled by foot to see Buxtehude

Einstein had his math reviewed by his wife

Welles was picked up after by Toland

I'll avoid the obvious question of why you think you're more of a genius than the above and instead ask why you think writing is any different?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875414)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:46 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

Oh, no, I've had a dozen readers go through it, and that's been very helpful. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

The thing is, though, it's ultimately on you to make the story work. Not anyone else. Not your first 10 readers, not other authors. It's also on you to figure out who to listen to and whose tastes are so irrelevant to what you're doing that you can ignore them. Simply gathering good feedback and filtering out the bad is more of an art than a science.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875462)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:11 PM
Author: overrated preventive strike set

first novels are (almost) always terrible. especially without an editor. its a situation where you dont know what you dont know. This is why budding novelists are advised to finish their draft asap. laboring over your first book for years without feedback is a classic beginner mistake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875288)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: irate nursing home bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875389)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 7:28 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

I'm not aware of any thread where bad reviews started rolling in, or deletion thereof. I think that was a joke by OP. Not sure. And only 2 chapters are released.

Of course, some number of bad reviews is just inevitable. They happen to the best, and the worst, and all the people in between. You can't be afraid of them, and you can't really react. Some people will think your pacing is too slow, and others will think it is too fast. You are at a local minimum when the stochastic gradients average out to zero, not when they individually become zero, because they never will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875372)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 8:19 PM
Author: Bossy Kitty Cat

??

https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5399171&mc=36&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875564)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 8:33 PM
Author: Outnumbered University Giraffe

"Thread has been disabled"

What was it? If it's a negative review, no I didn't delete it. Trust me, I'm going to get plenty of those... unless I fail completely. Franzen's latest has 46 one-star reviews. They happen. Large numbers, the such.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5417028&forum_id=2#46875632)



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Date: October 2nd, 2023 8:42 PM
Author: Orange submissive place of business



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Date: May 9th, 2024 11:18 AM
Author: Passionate maroon base



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