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Suicide Update- 5 guys I went to HS with have killed self
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:02 AM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea there were ~150 kids in my HS graduating class, so 5 out of ~75 guys have killedself this can't be normal |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:19 PM Author: histrionic stead How many are veterans of the war on terror? The post-service suicide rate for combat veterans is insanely underreported in a lefty environment that purports to care about mental health (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507171) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 2:10 PM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea of the suicides? 1 Did the Army right out of HS. Got out in 2008. Was fucked up for sure but nobody saw it coming. Quiet guy. another friend who did ROTC was the one we all pegged to come back and killself as he had multiple rough deployments in Iraq followed by the Afghan surge. But he's fine now and actually works for the state department. |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:57 PM Author: diverse home private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511461) |
Date: March 19th, 2024 7:02 AM Author: violent space (guy who went to all.birdshit HS) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506432) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:29 AM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea fair enough. 80% white class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506458) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:05 AM Author: vibrant queen of the night the lack of diversity killed them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506488) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:08 AM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea I'm sure some shitlibs actually believe that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506492) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:04 AM Author: Mahogany old irish cottage police squad Some of them probably had debilitating Long COVID (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506592) |
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Date: March 24th, 2024 3:34 AM Author: Multi-colored Indian Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47521668) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:49 AM Author: violent space its funny at my NOWAG HS i didnt hear of anyone kill self which is lolzy cause they all shld have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506667) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:25 AM Author: orchid psychic lettuce It's a curve. You're at the peak of it. In a few years, most of the severe mental illness will have terminated those poor folks early, then you'll be good for 10-15 years. Then everyone will start to get cancer or heart conditions. Perfectly fit dudes who did everything right will drop during their marathon. Bro leans over to tie his shoe, strokes and curbs himself to death. It's a vicious cycle this living thing, it's like we're already gone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506452) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:05 AM Author: Heady embarrassed to the bone theater stage pervert suicide is definitely a young man's game. typically happens when you're immature, hormones raging, etc. but it does happen in drips and drabs into middle age. then all of a sudden deaths accelerate again, both from suicide and natural causes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506710) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:43 AM Author: Green Confused Ticket Booth Pocket Flask (Class of 1972) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506466) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:50 AM Author: Lascivious point is there any correlation between class? out of my class the early dead (8/150 or so, to keep the ratio) were all UMC kids that OD'd or couldn't handle being a failson and let themselves out early. there's something wrong with this demographic, and i'm sincerely curious how the board dads are going to navigate the perils, if they can even identify them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506471) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:12 AM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea three of the five came from pretty well-off families, so maybe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506501) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:02 AM Author: Crawly casino The one connection I see is you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506486) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:49 AM Author: marvelous antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506666) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:04 AM Author: black library Guys in my high school killed self all the time. It was no big deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506487) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: thriller locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511376) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: 180 misunderstood garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511383) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:05 AM Author: vibrant queen of the night are you counting OD’s? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506489) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:11 AM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea yes, one was obviously an OD as he was widely rumored to be a pillhead, but it happened within a week of his wife leaving him. one was a gunshot to head, the one I found out about yesterday hung himself |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:50 AM Author: vibrant queen of the night I don’t think I know anyone who did the direct needful, but if counting OD then I have a least a half dozen kids I grew up with who died this way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506572) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:58 AM Author: Green Confused Ticket Booth Pocket Flask Have these idiots not hear about exit bags? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506582) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:22 AM Author: pearl soul-stirring gunner hospital Nothing to do with the fact that all economic opportunity is being stripped away from everyone except the elites. Mass importation of illegals who will take all the low skill jobs or make the jobs economically unviable for anyone wanting to match the standard of living of the previous generations. Family and community have been chiseled away at for years and now all there is to sustain your soul is consumerism and ford f150s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506523) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:59 AM Author: milky property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506584) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:51 AM Author: insane cerebral kitchen Per the brilliant minds of XO that only affects retarded proles who deserve it though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506672) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:53 AM Author: Orange glittery wagecucks sound barrier You have obviously not hired out a contractor for work around your home. These are illegals and felons and they're all making well more than $100 an hour. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506680) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:38 AM Author: Orange glittery wagecucks sound barrier That's pretty high. Overall mortality for men doesn't hit 7% until 7% until mid-40s and that's taking into account all other causes of death. So I'd say the incidence of suicide among your HS class is probably like 3x the average. Pretty striking. So many lives lost. Makes me think about The Offspring - The Kids Aren't Alright |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:41 AM Author: Twinkling razzmatazz multi-billionaire I’m jealous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506645) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:46 AM Author: Sinister state Killed self on purpose or accidental OD? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506660) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:54 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Red Philosopher-king Theater we only had one suicide, really smart / quiet kid who studied at carlton. he became a psychologist for cancer patients, so outside looking in i assume that line of work wasn't easy to deal with. don't understand how you do that w/ wife and young kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506686) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:23 AM Author: Flesh trailer park elastic band damn. that sounds like depressing work, probably pretty easy to convince yourself that life is meaningless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506772) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 1:00 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Red Philosopher-king Theater yeah, dude went out into the woods in pennsylvania (i think) and just shot himself. i just can't square in my mind how you do that if you have kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507301) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:00 AM Author: Heady embarrassed to the bone theater stage pervert my friend killed himself a month ago. i wasn't planning on taking about it on xo since it's very personal, but i'll take qs on it for 1 hour deep into a relevant thread. salient facts:
1) his gf dumped him and we all went together in a big group (mixed genders including her), he seemed fine.
2) i called him that night and he seemed fine, he called me back telling him he was going to kill himself, i picked him up and he stayed here.
3) he left my house that morning before i woke up with a basic text thanking me for being a good friend and telling me he locked up.
4) after two days of not hearing from him several friends and i got worried and started searching for him, we called to police to file a missing persons report.
5) police brought us into the police station and eventually had us ID his picture. his ex-gf and i both saw.
6) i had to tell his dad. i've also been in constant communication with his family. he just moved here away from his friends and family and we were just starting to become good friends, but i didn't know him that well yet. |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:06 AM Author: milky property why did his girlfriend dump him? men grieve very deeply and most women can move on without a second thought. this causes a lot of suicides. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506715) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:08 AM Author: Heady embarrassed to the bone theater stage pervert he was a bit of a failson. they had dated for less than two months and she correctly perceived that he was depressed and she was taking on a project. i encouraged her to do it and wouldn't change my mind on that with the benefit of hindsight. she might have been the straw that broke the camel's back but the dude was secretly struggling for a long time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506720) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:10 AM Author: milky property very sad. some people carry a lot of burden. how did he kill himself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506725) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:10 AM Author: Heady embarrassed to the bone theater stage pervert jumper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506727) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:16 AM Author: milky property :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506749) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:31 AM Author: odious zippy parlor tattoo yikes. you had to ID the corpse? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507018) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:11 PM Author: Heady embarrassed to the bone theater stage pervert picture. cop just fucking showed me out of the blue, no prep like "about to show you a body." it was nuts. up until i saw the pic i was certain he was just sulking somewhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507156) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 7:16 PM Author: Contagious vermilion sweet tailpipe sneaky criminal how do you think he felt before impact? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511529) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:22 AM Author: Flesh trailer park elastic band you encouraged her to dump him or to take on the project? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506767) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:26 AM Author: Heady embarrassed to the bone theater stage pervert dump him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506787) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:08 AM Author: Canary bat-shit-crazy meetinghouse wtf lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506955) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:40 PM Author: Indigo Whorehouse Mad Cow Disease with friends like gunner who needs enemies?
maybe he can split one of his xannies with her at the service and fuck her afterwards |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:47 PM Author: Heady embarrassed to the bone theater stage pervert how many people did you come and pick up from a suicide attempt, spend the night with him, spend the next days searching for him, ID him, spent dozens of hours talking with his family, etc.?
staying with someone who is threatening suicide as a way to get you to stick around is not sustainable. if a friend asked me whether they should go through with a break up when their partner is threatening suicide, my advice would be the same. people should not feel like they're being held hostage in a relationship.
also, he refused to consider treatment for over a decade. perhaps if people like you weren't so aggressively antagonistic to mental health stuff more people like him would have sought treatment and survived. |
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Date: March 24th, 2024 2:59 AM Author: Thirsty school weed whacker I’ll take that as a yes to fucking the ex gf.
Which is fine, that’s what funerals are for. Celebration of life in the face of death. |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:37 AM Author: ungodly twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509566) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 11:57 AM Author: milky property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510099) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:23 AM Author: Sticky corner boiling water skyrocketing suicide rates, plummeting life expectancy, deaths of despair, and 80% of white womyn strung out on multiple psych meds to get through their empty days just means that Jewish Modernity is working. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506771) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:14 PM Author: chest-beating orchestra pit ape pretty much whatever we want tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510197) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:32 AM Author: Sinister state Sadly, I've lost about nine friends from my early life and high school days. They failed to die by means of suicide in the conventional sense, but it feels comparable. Falling into tough drug use, to me, is a sign of giving up on life, a slow-movement model of suicide. These friends, a number of whom have been very close to me, battled severe depression. They used drugs to mask their problems, which is a tale too commonplace and heartbreaking.
Then there my wife's friend, which hits a distinctive nerve. She was the pinnacle of achievement on the outside: top of her class, a specialized nurse at a prestigious hospital, beautiful, friendly, and the life of the party type. When we heard she had taken her own life with no warning, no note, only a bottle of painkillers, we were shocked.
If so many young, vibrant people turn to drugs and suicide, what does that say about us?
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:52 AM Author: Orange glittery wagecucks sound barrier It primarily says that life is too easy and superficial. People aren’t having kids and aren’t taking care of themselves.
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:13 AM Author: Sinister state Our society is such shit, truly the consequences of the industrial revolution and technology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506984) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:32 AM Author: odious zippy parlor tattoo actually CR. We need a Great Scattering to regain the Golden Path (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507025) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:57 AM Author: wine public bath feces One guy from my class died this way (so far). We lost touch around college or so, but I remember him being smart, talented, level headed and funny. The guy ended up having a very successful career, went to great schools and had an advanced degree, probably was pulling down $250-500k a year.
Real fucking curve ball.
Another guy died of an OD - but he was into drinking and drugs really early - I think he relapsed on a major drug addiction during the pandemic and OD'd.
Sad shit man. |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:59 AM Author: chest-beating orchestra pit ape then they started a 5 Guys in Hell tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506915) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:28 AM Author: adventurous spot clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507010) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:08 PM Author: blue juggernaut mother i'd probably be dead if i didn't get married/had kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507154) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:48 PM Author: vibrant queen of the night weakling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508198) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:50 PM Author: Canary bat-shit-crazy meetinghouse lol cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508201) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:10 AM Author: odious zippy parlor tattoo why? because now you have something to live for? or because it made you stop your fucked up self-destruction? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509433) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:56 PM Author: stirring kitty Seems high. I am nearly 60 years out of HS. Class of 102. 43 dead so far. No suicides unless you count bad life style. Maybe young people are more likely to self destruct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508211) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:19 PM Author: white flickering site "The world is a lot better. My world, anyway." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508245) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:23 PM Author: milky property . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508248) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:25 PM Author: stirring kitty I supposed I'm supposed to say at this point "Sorry about your tiny pink world." Do I have that right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508444) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 2:20 AM Author: white flickering site entitled boomer psychology has been explained ad nauseum here. Still don't understand, gramps? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509278) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 2:21 PM Author: stirring kitty I under the concept of being full of shit, which is on display here 24/7. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510656) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:42 PM Author: thriller locus 1800 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511410) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:57 PM Author: vivacious insanely creepy stag film 2 committed suicide in my grad school class alone during it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508213) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:23 PM Author: milky property What were the causes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508250) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:24 PM Author: vivacious insanely creepy stag film grad school and women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508252) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:25 PM Author: Canary bat-shit-crazy meetinghouse beat me to it. good for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508256) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:26 PM Author: vivacious insanely creepy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508260) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:24 PM Author: Canary bat-shit-crazy meetinghouse grad school was probably one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508254) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:26 PM Author: vivacious insanely creepy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508261) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:13 PM Author: chest-beating orchestra pit ape probably grad school, for one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510193) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 11:29 PM Author: vivacious insanely creepy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47512122) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 7:49 AM Author: know-it-all piazza affirmative action were they all trans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509507) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:01 AM Author: mauve ratface How do you keep track of this shut? I thought we were all Losers who hated hs and didn’t talk to anyone from hs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509518) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:15 AM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea welcome back- smallish community in a farflung suburb where 50% of the grads still live (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509801) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:10 AM Author: well-lubricated shivering factory reset button useless brakes Well ur xo name is "trust if Aryan" which indicates a confluence of other socio economic factors of your upbringing that would lead to outcomes like this so not surprised (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509527) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:11 AM Author: mauve ratface If you have something to say about Xbox just say it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509529) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:18 AM Author: well-lubricated shivering factory reset button useless brakes I was a prole Xbox kid
But that was a couple lives ago. Now I'm a LAWYER |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:20 PM Author: Crusty low-t chad Oddly enough, he is Jewish! Like you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510235) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:36 PM Author: well-lubricated shivering factory reset button useless brakes Not that odd for xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510296) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:31 PM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea yeah huge kike here, big fan of Israel, ZOG, (((globohomo))) and tranny Michael Obama porn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511358) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:09 AM Author: excitant copper laser beams pisswyrm That's a lot. in my class of 450 we only had 1 that i know of. A few overdoses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509632) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:20 PM Author: Crusty low-t chad time to find another burger place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510229) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:36 PM Author: 180 misunderstood garrison my cousin killed herself a few years ago. we didn't talk that much in adulthood, but the morning of she called me and asked me about setting up a will in case her or her husband got in a car wreck or whatever. totally normal voice, attitude, etc. a few hours later she went to a park and shot herself with a gun she took from my grandpa's house. pretty weird.
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea that's rough kids? |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:39 PM Author: 180 misunderstood garrison 3 at like 18, 16, and 13? super shitty of her but they seem to be doing alright all things considered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511397) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:41 PM Author: Amethyst geriatric native marketing idea JFC- what a selfish bitch. I hope she at least had a huge life insurance policy she took out 2+ years prior (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511407) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:43 PM Author: 180 misunderstood garrison nah she was an unemployed poormo. dad's a plumber though, so they weren't out on the street or anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511415) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:52 PM Author: well-lubricated shivering factory reset button useless brakes Plumber dad's are clutch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511443) |