Ukraine could have had every Russian troop leave by not joining NATO
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 9:51 AM Author: Internet-worthy gay wizard abode
Not joining nato (though they could join EU), size limits in military, and russia would have left the country. They rejected that deal in Istanbul and will now lose far far more.
https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1763731616235696476
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523951&forum_id=2#47627587) |
Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:56 AM Author: Dashing Parlour Hunting Ground
That actually shows Russia is losing the war based on its most important objectives. It wasn't so much concerned with gaining territory as ensuring that Ukraine was a docile vassal state that knew it had no ability to defend itself from Russia and therefore would do whatever it wanted.
Here are the details of the Ukrainian military Russia demanded:
The draft treaty with Ukraine included banning foreign weapons, “including missile weapons of any type, armed forces and formations.” Moscow wanted Ukraine’s armed forces capped at 85,000 troops, 342 tanks and 519 artillery pieces. Ukrainian negotiators wanted 250,000 troops, 800 tanks and 1,900 artillery pieces, according to the document. Russia wanted to have the range of Ukrainian missiles capped at 40 kilometers (about 25 miles).
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So no Javelin or NLAW missiles to defend against Russian tanks, a token army, etc. Russia could have invaded at will.
So now instead of a toothless vassal state Russia is - unless it can capture Kiev (which it can't) - going to get a Ukraine that is armed to the teeth by the West and whose residents will nurse a blinding hatred towards Russia that will be passed down for generations. That can't be spun as a victory for Russia, even if it takes the Donbas and Kharkiv. It will have to station large numbers of troops near Ukraine for decades.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523951&forum_id=2#47627901) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:08 AM Author: Dashing Parlour Hunting Ground
Agree, a result leaving both nations much worse off than before has been inevitable since Russia's initial assault failed.
Probably the worst thing for Russia is that it seems to have irrevocably transformed itself into an imperialistic death cult-type country in an age and a geographical location where imperialism won't bring it any benefits.
At least Hitler's desire for conquest was rational in the sense that Germany really did need more resources, and he had the army to obtain them if he hadn't gotten too greedy.
But Putin is just going to leave a Russia which is a permanent pariah in the eyes of the Western nations which make up the vast majority of the world's GDP. And his trade with friendly countries like China, will be on terms beneficial to them because they know Russia has nowhere else to go.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523951&forum_id=2#47627939) |
Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:01 AM Author: Apoplectic Base Roommate
no idea why anyone believes this, but its bullshit anyway.
"just be cool bro!" /invades you repeatedly and tries to erase a national identity for centuries/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523951&forum_id=2#47627922) |
Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:09 AM Author: provocative crystalline affirmative action
Retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis:
"I have 20+ years of military combat experience. I participated in a major tank battle in Desert Storm with the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment. We also served on the east-west frontier in Germany, where we had to patrol against a potential Soviet attack. So I had to study their tanks, how they fight, how they attack and defend in terrain very similar to what is happening in Ukraine now.
I was also the second one. commander of an armored cavalry squadron of the US 1st Armored Division in the mid-2000s. Believe me when I tell you that there is no chance that Ukraine will ever succeed in a war against Russia.
There is no path to military victory for Ukraine. and period. It doesn’t matter whether we give 60 billion, whether we give another 120 billion, 200 billion. This will not change anything, because the foundations on which combat power is built at the national level are decisively and irrevocably on the side of Russia.
You can't turn the tide because you can't undo the fundamentals. Air power is on the side of Russia, air defense, military-industrial potential, allowing for the production of large quantities of artillery, ammunition, weapons themselves, drones, electronic warfare equipment, and, most importantly, people. Russia has more people, and it will always have more people.
In the entire West, they will never be able to compare with what is happening in Russia. In our opinion, continuing to hope that the Ukrainian side can win if we just give a little more money is unreasonable, because it won’t work that way.”
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523951&forum_id=2#47627941) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:12 AM Author: Apoplectic Base Roommate
Wow, sounds like Russia is at the gates of Kyiv after 2+ years. I am so demoralized.
This man is genius!
Did he anticipate that we would have photographic evidence the rus would lose 2,948 tanks? 3,908 IFVs?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523951&forum_id=2#47627947) |
Date: May 4th, 2024 12:30 PM Author: startling temple blood rage
“If only we had disarmed our hostile neighbor that views us as a rightful part of their empire would have respected our borders and sovereignty!”
Trumpenprole are the dumbest people in human history and it’s not close.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523951&forum_id=2#47634624) |
Date: May 4th, 2024 12:32 PM Author: seedy jet-lagged mood corn cake
it wasn’t just the limits on the military. the West was supposed to give “security guarantees” that would allow Ukraine to agree to the terms, but russia would have full veto power over those guarantees
it was a retarded deal that not even the russians thought they would accept. but Sacks and board russiacucks eat this shit up
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523951&forum_id=2#47634644) |
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