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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:48 AM Author: Balding pocket flask people say album sales which is huge but there was a big comeback around 2007-2009 or so that doesn't explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627847) |
Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:51 AM Author: bright plaza brethren Its emblematic of the wider decay of American culture.
We havent evolved artistically in a long time. We are simply skinsuiting classics and trading on nostalgia. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:51 AM Author: Balding pocket flask how do we fix this there are talented people out there who could make great things but they don't have the chance |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:52 AM Author: bright plaza brethren Gotta nuke it all and start over (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627876) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:57 AM Author: Motley ebony halford We can't fix anything, it has to be organic and it has to come from the youth. People much younger than you and much, much younger than me. Look at the mid-to-late 1970s-- younger people started to get sick of the over-produced, schlocky, drug-hazed music being produced in the 1970s and a punk rock movement began. Grunge in the 1990s sprung out of a reaction to slick hair metal and synth pop.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:58 AM Author: glittery vengeful half-breed "we need to get back to consoooooming mass media!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627911) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:34 AM Author: Topaz violent hissy fit with the rise in high quality home based studios that only costs a couple hundred bucks, combined with free distribution via spotify/youtube/social media there is more opportunity than ever for the talented "little guys" to put their shit out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627998) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 12:48 PM Author: Mentally impaired hominid whorehouse yes, the problem, oddly enough, is that there are far too many talented little guys with the chance to make something. there's only so much bandwidth for any given genre. musicians have crowded themselves out of an increasingly smaller pool of money. the entire "industry" is basically a hobby at this point.
back when there was shittons of money involved, you had an industry that, however predatory it was, had a big financial interest in picking out talent, nurturing and developing it, and marketing the shit out of it. all of that is gone.
you can do whatever you want these days, but you're on your own and it's hand to mouth for years and years if you're lucky enough to build any audience at all. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 2:04 PM Author: Swollen codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628461) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 3:47 PM Author: Topaz violent hissy fit my top three "Current" favorite bands are three "dream pop" bands - Cathedral Bells, Beach Vacation, and Lunar Isles.
Cathedral Bells and Beach Vacation are just standard issue hipsters with home recording shit, and the Lunar Isles guy is some scottish dude living in Korea making music on an extremely clean desk in a small apartment.
Discovered all of them on Spotify radio channels. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 4:21 PM Author: Mentally impaired hominid whorehouse 20 years ago you never would have heard of these people. they're still not making any money, but you found them and they got a listener.
the current situation is only a "problem" if you need money to make money off of music. there are still tons of people willing to make it for free, and tons of people willing to listen to it. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 5:33 PM Author: Mewling Kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47629151) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:53 AM Author: Histrionic Black Woman there was a time when you could leave your door open and unlocked 24/7 for years and nothing would be bothered in your home, you knew your neighbors and all looked out for each other, everyone trusted each other to the point where you could even walk into a business w no experience and if you seemed stand up enough could land a real high paying and technical job
all of that ended when jews implemented their nuke on whiteness in america, everything else died with the death of white culture
ur just seeing the shadow from the atomic bomb |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:55 AM Author: Balding pocket flask so what's the solution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627895) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:56 AM Author: Histrionic Black Woman bend over is the only option (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627904) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 5:16 PM Author: Swollen codepig I'm not sure if there is a solution because I think a lot of splintering has resulted from the fact that it's never been cheaper or easier to distribute music. If your complaint is that you personally are not finding new music that you enjoy, the solution is getting onto spotify like Doodikoff or finding an online community that has similar taste to you and recommends new things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47629098) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:12 AM Author: sienna point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627949) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:26 PM Author: Bronze dilemma nibblets You can still move to places like this in America. The 90s exist in some towns still (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628315) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:29 PM Author: Beady-eyed base this probably still describes where 90% of xo poasters live
the difference is today people are all paranoid, hide behind their ring cams and just watch netflix all day |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 2:04 PM Author: passionate church building windowlicker When I walked into my Sinecure with zero relevant experience, my boss told me that I clearly knew nothing about their practice area, but that I seemed smart so they decided to just give me a shot.
Of course, I'm a brown transsexual, so ymmv. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 6:18 PM Author: Histrionic Black Woman yes, nepotism still works for jews
who knew |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:55 AM Author: Bipolar Bawdyhouse We don't really need new music anymore. There is more good music out there than there is time in a life to listen to it all.
Of course, your point is that it's troubling that we don't make good music anymore to which I say it's still being made, but good music doesn't have multi-million dollar marketing campaigns behind it anymore. You got to look harder. Monoculture is dead. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:56 AM Author: Balding pocket flask that doesn't really help, yeah you can spend a lot of time finding niche stuff that's OK to good you need to have good contemporary art too |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:58 AM Author: Bipolar Bawdyhouse you're right that hard rock bands are never going to be pushed by interscope or capital records again. enjoy nikki minaj and taylor swift for the rest of time.
but that doesn't mean those bands don't exist. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:00 AM Author: Motley ebony halford Exactly-- these bands are just not very successful (with regard to album sales, arena shows) and require some insider knowledge to get into. In other words, it helps to be young. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627916) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:01 AM Author: Balding pocket flask yes they exist but production and a network of collaborators matters a lot which the music industry used to provide (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627917) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:58 AM Author: razzle-dazzle resort electronica destroyed the formal discipline of acoustic musical training which is the cornerstone of theory, composition, and technique (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627910) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:14 AM Author: Marvelous lavender box office newt There is enough “music” catalogued over the last 100 years to last multiple human lifetimes. No one cares and no one has the time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627954) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:18 AM Author: Mentally impaired hominid whorehouse this. there are 50k new songs per day on spotify. it's impossible to care.
also there's a perfect confluence of all the money disappearing and the content quantity exploding due to insanely cheap recording tech. you'd have to be nuts to seriously pursue music as a money making endeavor these days. there's an endless amount of noise to compete with.
there's no incentive to go balls deep into it when there are 10,000 other guys putting out pretty good stuff with far less effort and there's no way the audience is going to dig your stuff out of the pile. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:20 AM Author: Balding pocket flask that was supposed to make things so much better and accessible but it hasn't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47627973) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:25 AM Author: Mentally impaired hominid whorehouse as a musician, it's never been cheaper and easier to make, record, and distribute your own music. like exponentially so, it's really incredible. the downside is it's completely impossible to get any traction because everyone is doing it. and at the same time all the money has vanished due to streaming.
it's also never been easier to be a music fan. you literally have everything in your pocket for $10 a month. it's un-fucking-believable.
the problem, again, is the noise and the lack of money. over time it should degrade the overall quality of music as the incentive to crush it is gone, so it's just oceans of mediocrity and nepotism. but like the guy above says, there is already 100 years of amazing shit out there that you can't possibly listen to in your lifetime, so whatever. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:42 AM Author: Topaz violent hissy fit this times 10000%
Also, even the music tech has gotten insanely good. Used to be you had to lug around a big amp and effects, figure out how to mic it up to record it right, etc.
Now there are cheap computer plugins and modeling devices that sound 99.99% the same when recorded.
And given the fact that you can literally make a professional sounding recording if you know what you are doing for less than $500 worth of gear ($100-150 interface, $50-100 DAW like Reaper, $100 monitors or headphones, plus your laptop), there is no limit anymore. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:40 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria This is CR and also why the industry needs to vertically integrate to claim more of the live performance market and use it as a way to market and direct consumer behavior in addition to making it a separate revenue stream. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628368) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 12:27 PM Author: Stirring Cordovan Range Pisswyrm music is disposable
touring is expensive
zoomers don't drink |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:03 PM Author: Mentally impaired hominid whorehouse another salient point: live music isn't about live music, it's about alcohol sales to young people. zoomers are broke, they have more entertainment options than ever, they go to concerts less, and they drink less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628215) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:28 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria This was largely true of millennials too, except the industry came up with the bundling strategy of having a festival in every town and charging 10x what a smaller 90s venue would charge to have kids LARP as bougey Woodstock attendees. That festival market is second only to YouTube and streaming in responsibility for killing off the market for cheaper and more regular live music attendance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628323) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:49 PM Author: Mentally impaired hominid whorehouse yeah festivals are killing it but your average touring band is lucky if they break even. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628407) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:54 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria Any act/band that isn’t just olds doing a nostalgia/reunion tour has to be a massive arena-filling act for touring to make sense. If you’re a band playing at dive bars in front of crowds of a couple hundred people you’re just LARPing as a 90s Gen X indie band. The plausibility of catching a break by going that route was already extremely low 20 years ago, and since the festivals took over your much better bet is to get hooked up with the festival circuit and try to catch on as an opener for a bigger band or get lucky and have a song blow up on Spotify while you’re hitting the festivals and that can be your launch pad (see eg Billie Eilish, Lizzo). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628430) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:39 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria The labels need to vertically integrate and start owning the venues and cutting out all the middle men in that part of the live music industry. It would also be a great way to fuck over Ticketmaster ie cut them out and reduce prices and then sell subscriptions like Moviepass. Obviously would also need to capture more revenue from concessions and merch, and pay artists on a much more data-driven model ie if you can sell out the tour loop of 500 person venues you make x, 5k person venues you make y, 50k person would be like 100 artists total across the industry and there the artists get as big a cut as they always have and it looks more like the current state. But the small and mid venues are for 1) building and maintaining audience, 2) diversifying revenue stream, 3) advertising other acts, and 4) locking in subscribers so you can market tie-ins and upsells like ride share discounts, merch and concessions discounts/inventives, VIP promos like meet the band and attend soundcheck, etc. It’s yet another aspect of our culture, and media in particular, where stupid boomers are trapped in the 20th century and we need new businesses/models to come along and kick their asses into retirement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628361) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:40 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria Dp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628363) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:04 PM Author: Confused menage round eye They have no records (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628216) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:25 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria We are in the late phase of millennial acts still dominating, which has made everything feel stagnant for like 5 years now. But it’s exactly what you said ie 2007-09 was 17 years after 1990-92, and in 90-92 hip hop went from underground/niche to well on its way to supplanting rock, and rock was completely reinvented. 2007-09 was a shitty, lame generational takeover because the industry’s base units of product (the CD and the MP3) were in terrible shape and the entire economics of the industry was in a stopgap mode of transition from physical media to digital media (similar to the transition today from linear networks built around physical infrastructure to streaming). So the 2007-09 acts were mostly lowest common denominator and not really challenging or interesting. Lots of huge pop acts like Beyoncé coming to her full dominance and power as a solo artist, Gaga, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift and Bieber emerging via YouTube, acts that were pure nostalgia/retro plays like Amy Winehouse, relatively middle of the fairway death spiral phase rock acts like Kings of Leon, plus a lot of follow up releases for the early aughts hipster rock bands (White Stripes, The Killers, etc.), Kanye and Drake making hip hop safe for soft ass, bitch ass music nerds and Nicki Minaj made the music world safe for skanks who look like pornstars to sell their bodies and use a shitload of ghostwriters to produce good lyrics (blazing the trail for Cardi B, Megan thee Stallion et al.), and plenty behind more that would have been perfectly suitable to 90s radio formats (eg Adele).
2025 is 17 years from 2008 so we are due for the next gen refresh with new artists and a new generational identity. It’s hard to say if Gen Z will be any better, but the economics of music publishing are thoroughly better than they were in the 2007-09 period. Gen Z will be up against the same issue that all other media faces ie the splintering of audience and near impossibility of getting your music to break widely as an unknown act. Their brains have also been completely pickled by the tiny attention span format and ultra low IQ of short video format social media. So I don’t think there’s some transformative and inspirational musician on the horizon in the near future, but I am sure we will be able to say who the next crop of Gen Z’s generation of music heroes will be. So far it seems likely that some new rapper will come along and take mumbling to such obnoxious levels that the kids will like it primarily because of how much it disgusts everyone over 40. And probably some generic girl boss pop act will have to take the reins from Beyoncé and Taylor Swift, but Beyoncé’s BLM schtick and Taylor’s millennial girlboss schtick will need to evolve. I think we’re overdue for a new JLo essentially, ie a super hot Latina chick who wins with sex way more than any of the female millennial pop superstars, but also manages to not be considered a full blown whore like all the hip hop females who really are just straight up skanks. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 5:41 PM Author: cerebral snowy casino hell yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47629182) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:50 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy maniacal parlor because only low IQ mouth breathers like country music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628411) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:52 PM Author: Motley ebony halford only low IQ mouthbreathers who think they are urbane and smart say stupid shit like this. Listen to Hayes Carll, Townes Van Zandt, Willie Nelson, George Jones, Lucinda Williams, etc. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:54 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy maniacal parlor are any of these guys still alive or under 70? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628427) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:55 PM Author: Motley ebony halford Hayes Carll is! I think (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628432) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:56 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy maniacal parlor he is but ive never heard of him.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:59 PM Author: Motley ebony halford He's good, give him a listen. Sturgill Simpson had a good album a few years back. He is youngish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628447) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 2:01 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy maniacal parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628454) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 2:03 PM Author: Balding pocket flask country music? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628460) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:59 PM Author: Dead hairless parlour dragon when rap was deemed to be the default popular music, the decline really took off.
I keep waiting for a grunge type revival, or even a strokes one, but not sure a rock band of white guys would get any publicity now anyways. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 2:00 PM Author: Balding pocket flask there was one in ~2008 or so
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 2:09 PM Author: Motley ebony halford Not now. But white guy rock will have a revival-- just like nearly everything else. Remember the short-lived "swing" music fad in the 1990s? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628481) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 2:16 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria Pop is the default popular music and it’s bigger than ever from a revenue perspective. Rap supplanted rock as the cultural zeitgeist and mass culture avant garde, but that had as much or more to do with the fact that rock was built on physical media and a relatively opaque adjacent live music business that served as an outsourced incubator. Rap was much easier to produce as effectively one producer creating all the music ahead of time and then attaching a rapper with a marketing strategy already preprogrammed and oftentimes thoroughly focus grouped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628506) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 2:06 PM Author: black prole This is why I'm content with watching cover bands at local bars and occasionally going to see the Eagles or whatever when they come to town. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628469) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 2:50 PM Author: Balding pocket flask all those bands' original members are dying off and soon there won't be any left it's crazy to think that there could be a "new Eagles" who could tour and play the songs rather than anyone creating something new |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 3:31 PM Author: Garnet forum toaster You retards, it's because music is so easy to distribute now. I last paid for a CD in 2005. If I want to play a song now, I just look it up on YouTube and, at most, listen to 10 seconds of ads. There's nowhere near enough money in it anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628819) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 3:42 PM Author: Balding pocket flask you could do this in 2009 2010 too but there was a big resurgence in rock bands then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628850) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 3:44 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria I used to think this, but Spotify has nearly closed the gap back to pre-file sharing. The lowest point of the post-Napster trough was 2016.
https://neemz.medium.com/spotify-how-software-ate-audio-335e24157431 |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 4:48 PM Author: Beady-eyed base that isn't adjusted for inflation. there's been a large uptick but we're still >35% behind peak (and it becomes more obvious how bad the bottom really was)
https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/ |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 5:08 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria Yes that’s why I said “almost” but the uptick since 2016 or so was still a pretty dramatic hockey stick back up. In nominal dollars we’re higher than we were at the pre-Napster peak, which still feels a significant barrier to break through relative to where we were for almost two decades post-Napster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47629068) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 5:14 PM Author: Mentally impaired hominid whorehouse i think the bottom end here has been extremely diluted. like in the old days, if you sold 50k records, and there were plenty of small bands that did, you would make like 50-100k off of it. the current pay rate on spotify is something like $5k per million plays. a band that sold 50k records in the old days might have a couple million plays these days, but they were way better off with cd sales. but today you've got shittons more competitors in the >1 million plays category so your slice of the pie is nil.
point is, even if we get back to ath revenues, it's all going to the top acts with hundreds of millions/billions of plays. the little guys have no negotiating power. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 5:22 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria CR this is why the labels need to own venues and the artists need to be paid as contractors with incentives for revenue targets instead of having a constellation of promoters and booking agents and tour managers who are sucking money out of them for live performances because access to the venues is easy to gatekeep when it’s so diffuse and based in prior relationships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47629114) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 5:27 PM Author: Mentally impaired hominid whorehouse it'll happen eventually as all the middlemen go out of business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47629138) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 5:25 PM Author: Federal flickering school cafeteria The other thing this shows is that when the big media conglomerates finally kill off cable/linear TV there is a massive amount of upside left to capture. This explains why all the Tech mega companies have just been biding their time until we’re closer to the hockey stick back up for TV. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47629125) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 6:48 PM Author: dashing violet site While industry revenues might have recovered somewhat, the problem for the culture is that the revenue breakdown between now and old music has changed.
In the album sales era, new music (stuff less than 18 months old) was a large majority of revenues. In the streaming era catalog music (older than 18mo) is now the majority of revenue. The effect is that there's now far less ROI on promoting new music |
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 3:41 PM Author: Razzmatazz bbw You say that like it shouldn’t be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523981&forum_id=2#47628843) |