don't care what anyone says, TT was an asset in his own way, I kinda miss him here

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32851731)

Just as an example, do you remember the thread about the 4 Chicago blacks who tortured the white teenager live on Facebook? It was a horrible video.

I guarantee you that TT would have been expressing glee in that thread.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32851969)

I can guarantee you his take on the Chicago thing would not have been "hilarious" either, at least not if you are white.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852045)

This is my natural state though, I don't really know how to lighten up apart from smoking weed.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852177)

The proper analogy here would be if some whites physically lynched an innocent black guy in some sickening video, and poasters here started going nuts and cheering the lynchers on.

That would be sick as well, I bet you wouldn't actually see it (many liberals and minorities have this caricature about what whites are like) and it's why I'm happy to see him gone.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852074)

I thought that would just be "humorous," and people who niggerthread should STFU? (I'm not one of them btw, but I am a race realist)

That's what I thought. And he obviously didn't poast about the event because he was no longer here, but based on his past comments, I have no doubt it's what he would have done. Good riddance.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852112)

this is the kind of rhetoric that xo deals in brother

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852101)

Again, if a Hitler type figure today started doing the exact same thing, and XO cheered him on, then maybe you'd have a point.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852124)

"since-sounding"? that doesn't sound like actual sincerity to me, nor does it sound much different than any other racist flame on xo in principal. there's certainly "sincere-sounding" banter against other races on this site, whether or not you're the one doing it. i doubt all of it is genuine. or is it more genuine with some people? i bet it is. i don't mean the "race realism" against blacks or "nowag" megaposting when i say this, which is usually just dark meming or part of a more intellectual discussion, but rather the ostensibly angry and vicious posts, which there are against pretty much every race here.

but in the theater of xo where you can't know the person behind the words it's all on the same plane regardless. hyperbole with more or less genuine hatred behind it, but we can't really know. but it's silly to single out one person as particularly egregious when there are many others engaging in the same thing.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852203)

I think this is a very important distinction to make. I think when horrible events just occur, and are fresh in everyone's minds, we have a tendency to react with visceral emotion. Meaning that your immediate statements are far more likely to actually be sincere. This is why I think TT truly hated white people, and why I'm happy to see him gone.

This is also why I drew the distinction between the hypothetical (and nonexistent IMO) poasters who would cheer on lynchers who actually lynched an innocent black kid, with banter about races generally. The former would demonstrate that they sincerely hate all blacks, while the latter is completely inconclusive.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852257)

and tbf i agree that this was the worst that TT had to offer. i'm not defending it with the above paragraph, just making the point that TT was not a particularly unique exception. but, based on posting with him for many years before his sad descent into incessant politics posting, and based on the general rhetoric of the board, my best judgment tells me that his more grating and hateful politics posting was just an extension of his troll campaign meant to anger and upset people with whom he disagreed on xo, and who themselves showed little willingness to engage with more decorum or to hold back from more ostensibly-hateful posting of their own.

i think this represents the vast majority of race-bashing on xo in fact, aside from the more intellectual "race realist" discussions, as you for example describe them, and aside from the more playful "kike, "nowag," etc posting, which is just backyard-level namecalling. but i don't think TT was much different from the rest of the more hateful hordes in principle.

there's no defense of it here but rather a recognition that he wasn't alone, and that it wasn't purely unilateral but rather an unfortunate decision on his part to get down in the pits with the more hateful posters and to engage in kind.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852351)

I think with TT, he received relentless hate from certain poasters, and that is what caused him to snap, along with what must have been a pretty shit IRL. I distinguish this from the Roof cheerers, who I don't think exist. Both categories are bad, but I think the latter is worse, because ostensibly TT could have done something to piss people off, while there is absolutely no excuse for cheering on the slaughtering of innocents.

I just don't see the general race bashing as being that bad here.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32852783)

"why didn't dylan roof finish the job?" etc

there were also posters celebrating the dallas police shootings a few months ago, etc.

i'm not crying foul about the posters who made them, and many are probably flame, but there's no real difference between what they did and what TT did by your standard. i don't think it's good but when i come to xo i expect that there will be some of that. his posting of this type was shitty but he wasn't alone.

and tbh i don't know if TT really can come back anymore. when i say that i want TT back i'm really saying that i want pre-2016 TT back. by getting down in the pits with the riff-raff he made himself persona non grata with too many combative people here, and the second that he'd come back he'd be showered with shit by a few particularly aggressive posters, and his (purported) irl name would be spammed. and this would ultimately drag him back down into troll wars and competitions to see who can be more hateful, which is really how 2016 TT escalated. if he were to come back we'd have to sit through some spamming and board preoccupation for at least a bit until things normalized, and this is really what made me dislike TT's presence through 2016, more than did some of his more hateful posting.

but it isn't right to single him out for that kind of posting when a) he is definitely not alone and b) in another pre-2016 lifetime, he not only added more to the board than all of the other more hateful posters combined but was a top 3% poster.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32853046)

In fact, most of them seem like reactions to the disgusting attempt of liberals to capitalize on the incident to bash all white people. I do see a recent thread by some moron quotemo, but no one paid it any attention.

I also may not have made my point clear enough. I am talking about visceral reactions made as events occur as being proof of actual sincerity. For this, we'd need to pull up the initial big thread on Dylan Roof (I have no idea what it was called). My contention is that you will not find many if any poasters celebrating it.

This is why I single TT out. And it's easy to prove one way or the other. If someone can just find the thread we can put this to the test. If there are poasters celebrating it, I will admit I am wrong, and tone back most of my statements.

I also agree with your point regarding his past, but the past is the past. Because I think he was on a unique hateful level (which I contend was fueled by people ripping on him personally, relentlessly, and not race stuff), I feel the way I do.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32853149)

we need some foil and he provided EXCELLENT content

you really really need to stop taking this board so seriously

JUICE JUICE JUICE

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#33122393)

When in fact he was not joking and it was not funny.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32854944)

your conclusion here is that the above posters argument has been "debunked" because you are assuming that TT was serious

so nothing has been "debunked"

i provided what i think is a reasonable judgment for what led to TT's shitstorming. it's yours to agree with or not but don't say that something has been "debunked" because it doesn't sit with your assumptions. we're all speculating, with more or less reasoning supporting any of us. saying things like this is a big blow to your credibility if you're trying to frame your arguments as unbiased when there is reason to suspect bias (as there is here).

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32854998)

While, in the main threads about other bad news (like terrorist attacks, or black on white attacks), TT would always be found expressing glee.

I explained why this allows us to infer his seriousness. Or anyone's sincerity who is commenting on a raw, fresh, event. And I don't buy the argument of "on the level of xo, everything is performance art." As I explained, that concept applies to commentary on abstract ideas but not visceral emotional reactions to major events.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32855039)

your judgment says one thing, and a number of posters agree with you. the judgment of a preponderance of other posters (many of them recognized and respected) says another. as far as we're confident in our respective reasoning the debate ends there, any other counterarguments are mutually incompatible and we are not dealing in facts or evidence beyond this.

going one step further from my reasoning i'd say that a) while TT let himself get into the pits and engaged in political threading that had a negative effect on the board, it followed the narrative of what was until then jovial needling, and he unfortunately took it to another level as things escalated with other posters (as i've explained), and b) that you have a difficult time embracing flame if it doesn't sit well with you, while analogous flame doesn't phase you so long as it's more aligned with your politics.

meanwhile you think i can't judge what's flame and what's not. i disagree, but we're not convincing each other of anything, and more importantly we're both speculating.

nothing is "debunked"

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32855090)

If, on the main thread, bort shitlibs started expressing glee over it, does that mean they sincerely hated Trump? You better believe it. I don't even think this is debatable.

The same would be true if Obama dropped dead.

This is also why the poasters you reference in the main thread for the Dallas sniper guy who expressed glee were also serious. And, if anyone could find the main Roof thread, any poasters who expressed glee there (and not later) would also be serious. If you can find that thread and there were indeed such poasters who said this immediately after the facts were all known, I will retract my criticism singling TT out.

And your (b) is flatly wrong. It presumes visceral reactions made in response to raw events are "flame" when they are no such thing. If you can find the original Roof thread and there are indeed poasters reacting with glee, my opinion of them will be tremendously lowered. It would phase me a great deal.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32855131)

1) the purpose of bringing up other similar situations was to show that TT wasn't alone in engaging particularly nasty rhetoric which perhaps belied a genuine hatred. immediate response to violence may be one particular form of that but it is not the only, and there are other forms which are here weekly. it's much clearer from tone and moniker history than it is from the surface value of the words of any one post regardless.

it's silly to say that you're not singling TT out because he was the only one who, in your memory, engaged in one very particular form of nastiness.

2) in the context of TT's oeuvre it is not at all clear that he was genuine. it's clear enough that many monikers (maybe you, i can't know) are alts and flames just designed to play out a narrative to elicit a reaction. not everyone is here in earnest. this is the kind of response-eliciting that TT devloved into, motivated by more anger than usual, once getting into shit-flinging wars with posters who didn't hold back.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32855211)

But I think I am being fair because I have allowed anyone to present analogous cases of other poasters doing the same thing (and not months later), and so far no one has come up with any examples.

I also agree that tone and moniker history are important, but I think the single most important factor is simply the initial emotional reaction, as I tried to demonstrate with my Trump example. Granted, I included the idea about "bort shitlibs" which necessarily implies a familiarity with moniker history, but this doesn't detract from my main point; in fact it supports it. TT had a long and demonstrated history of this sort of behavior.

2. I agree with the statement that not everyone here is in earnest, but I don't think this applies to immediate response to violence. That goes directly to our primal nature and gut instincts, and is proof of being genuine.

Also, most of your statement applies to the flaming about abstract ideas that I was talking about. That's probably the bulk of content on this bort. I completely agree with it, but it's beside the point.

If someone poasts Hitler did nothing wrong, or, on the flip side, let's make America an all brown country and get rid of the whites, then your statement is correct and it is impossible to tell whether it is designed to provoke, half serious, or fully serious. Not so with what I've been talking about.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32855296)

i can give you that we are both speculating and therefore that we equally have no claim to truth or proof. that's all i can give you here.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32855380)

My points all stem from this premise, so if you can't accept it then we've exhausted the discussion.

But I am consistent with it and don't just favor Trumpmos. You know my point about Roof.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32855419)

it doesn't have to be "well-crafted flame" not to portray the truth of the human behind the moniker TT. most of the rhetoric on this site is hyperbole of (widely) varying degrees.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32855531)

HAPPY FUCKING ST PATRICK'S DAY FUCK YOU BRIDSHITS!!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#32855220)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556022&forum_id=2#33863448)