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Cons, did you ever figure out why Mamdani's grocery stores are a bad idea?
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:41 PM Author: orchid jew theatre what's the consensus? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50026989) |
Date: July 27th, 2026 1:46 PM Author: Naked razzmatazz mental disorder because socialism is an inefficient failure. it only "works" until you run out of rich people to rob to pay for it. we have EBT in NYC- cash grants to the poor to buy groceries work just fine (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027011) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:47 PM Author: orchid jew theatre NYC is almost out of rich people (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027015) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:50 PM Author: Naked razzmatazz mental disorder not really... but this is he dumbest and least-efficient way to get subsidized food to the poor. it's Soviet-style waste at its finest (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027023) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:50 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Oh it's just not "efficient" now, lol (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027028) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:53 PM Author: Naked razzmatazz mental disorder socialism is always a bad idea for any market good for a variety of reasons. but you asked why this grocery scam is bad idea and the waste/stupidity behind it is the worst (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027040) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:54 PM Author: orchid jew theatre (Richard Posner) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027049) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 4:31 PM Author: irate fuchsia scourge upon the earth double fault What about all the socialism we give to rich people?
DId we somehow "run out of money" to keep giving rich people tax cuts in 2017 & 2025? |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:46 PM Author: Flatulent charismatic water buffalo jewess it doesn't work just fine giving people shit for free incentivizes them to be worthless |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:50 PM Author: Vigorous psychic agreed. we should also cut tax breaks for corps. let them pay their normal amounts. we can't have lazy corps (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027949) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 12:36 PM Author: Flatulent charismatic water buffalo jewess is this supposed to be a gotcha? if so, moronic fail (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50029679) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:53 PM Author: Richard Ames Can you make the case for them? Outline the "steelman" case for them. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027041) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:55 PM Author: thriller aquamarine dysfunction library Mamdani will get more votes (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027052) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:58 PM Author: Richard Ames The funny thing is that I think a lot of this shit doesn't even make a difference w.r.t. votes. Voting is basically just a population headcount now and a growing % of the population of NYC is incapable of understanding conditionals or second order thinking. Maybe it's necessary for Mamdani to hold off any potential adversaries to his left from within the DSA.
My bigger sense is that this probably just makes DSA activist types feel like they're "doing something" so they can avoid self-reflection and any requisite steps towards improving their own stead (of which step #1 would be leaving NYC for somewhere else and learning an actual skill). |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:59 PM Author: orchid jew theatre More cities will elect mayors like him (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027072) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:55 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Food will be cheaper (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027053) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:56 PM Author: Naked razzmatazz mental disorder how? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027059) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:56 PM Author: thriller aquamarine dysfunction library 30% (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027061) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:30 PM Author: arousing office (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027227) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:57 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Zero profit margins for the retailer (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027064) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 1:59 PM Author: Richard Ames I actually agree with what you are saying. I imagine you would agree that such a pathway will lead to meaningfully reduced choice for these consumers. Surely everyone could eat free if the food is just rice and beans. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027070) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:00 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Not at all. If you like your grocery store you can keep shopping there (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027074) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:14 PM Author: Richard Ames Sure, if the government run stores remain simply a "Public Option." But even at such stores, choice will be limited. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027121) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:26 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Choice is pretty fucking limited at Whole Foods too. I assume you're aware of this (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027208) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 3:03 PM Author: Richard Ames Do you really think so? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027349) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 3:11 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range NSAM has schizophrenia. Please be patient. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027382) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:02 PM Author: orchid jew theatre They don't even sell Doritos (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027857) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 4:31 PM Author: irate fuchsia scourge upon the earth double fault cr (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027617) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:02 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Profit margins for grocery stores are around 2%. These stores will operate at a loss. To the extent they dont, it is only because they are exempt from tqxes and use ciry owned property....but the government is losing tax and rental revenue so it is still a loss. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027079) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:05 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Police and fire departments operate at a loss, no? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027086) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:06 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Police coverage is not an excludable rivalrous good. Selling excludable rivalrous (finite) goods at a loss leads to shortages via waste and underproduction. This is why non-excludable non-rivalrous goods are called "public goods"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:09 PM Author: orchid jew theatre I'll take that as a yes (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027095) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:58 PM Author: Fishy beta mexican private investor the private companies selling them the food also will have zero profit margins? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027333) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 11:49 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Your 20 cent bananas will now be 14 cents (and cost the city budget 30 cents). Checkmate capitalists
https://x.com/feelsdesperate/status/2081905821592510885 |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:57 PM Author: Fishy beta mexican private investor this is false (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027330) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:04 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Problem: greedy corporations exist that make profit from selling food, which is a Human Right. Nobody should profit from a Human Right
Solution: sell at a loss using public subsidy, putting grocery stores out of business and bringing more of the economy under the wings of the public sector.
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:10 PM Author: orchid jew theatre This is America. Food is a luxury good (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027100) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:24 PM Author: doobsian black woman the stores will always be low on food
selling at a loss is obviously a terrible strategy, so when they run low on stuff they will have to wait a week to restock to slow down how much they lose
shrinkage will be an issue; obviously the post and daily news will be chomping at the bit to see how they deal with it
staffing will also be lol. presumptively they will be paying people 30 dollars and hour or whatever and not be able to really fire anyone, although again if they don't have much food to sell it's not like they need to do much "work"
either that or it will be a YUGE success its 50/50 |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:27 PM Author: orchid jew theatre So the problem is too many people will shop there and all the food will get consumed (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027213) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:48 PM Author: big-titted fat ankles set Governments shouldn't try to do stuff that tons of private businesses already do. If poors are too poor to buy food, we should give em some as we already do. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027294) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:49 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range This isnt for poors they already get food stamps. The point is to drive the geeedy corporations that profit from a Human Right out of business. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027305) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:50 PM Author: orchid jew theatre How can they go out of business if Mamdani's stores have no food to sell? Surely some folks will opt to shop at Whole Foods instead of waiting in line for bread (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027309) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 2:56 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Even a 5% drop in revenue will drive some groceries out of busines given the razor thin profit margins.
It's a sliding scale. The more money they sink into the effort, the more business they'll take from the stores, and the more they'll further the goal of driving the groceries out of business. The less money they sink into it, the quicker the shelves will go bare and the less effective theyll be at the ideological goal. But the losses will be more scandalous and less sustainable. Worth watching how they navigate this.
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Date: July 27th, 2026 4:48 PM Author: irate fuchsia scourge upon the earth double fault loooool!
the people who have the funds to shop at Whole Funds won't give a shit about a government grocery store.
The purpose of a public option is to give people a lower cost option instead being held by the balls by GC. |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 5:01 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Profit margins are 1-2%. How is that "being held by yhe balls" genius? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027685) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 5:39 PM Author: irate fuchsia scourge upon the earth double fault Because a Gov't owned grocery store doesn't need to produce a profit.
Thus, food will be cheaper.
Did I make that clear enough you dumb faggot? |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 5:40 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range The profit is 1%-2% of the cost you drooling imbecile. Except at Whole Foods and similar luxury stores where it is a whopping 4.5%. Wow really grabbing you by the balls! Big savings!! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027811) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:54 PM Author: Fishy beta mexican private investor you are dumb even for a black. like really really dumb. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50030383) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 3:10 PM Author: Vigorous psychic grocery stores make terrible margins and make $$$ off volumn.
we need a low margin business replaced by a... govt one? |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 3:12 PM Author: Ultramarine fanboi halford sounds like shitlib logic at its finest! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027390) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 3:14 PM Author: Vigorous psychic to be fur, we shouldnt allow a single digit amount of companies control our food, so "cons" do the actual fucking there. but ya keep complaining about some retarded shitlib answer to a problem cons encourage.
remove jews. fuck everything else |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 3:23 PM Author: Ultramarine fanboi halford fair enough (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027427) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 3:32 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range There are thousands of retailers selling food in NYC. Are you retarded you weird trannfyfucker? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027450) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 4:09 PM Author: Richard Ames I assume he was referencing the fact that Sysco and US Foods have an inordinate amount of power over the food supply. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027524) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 4:11 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Maybe for restaurant food. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027527) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 5:48 PM Author: Vigorous psychic That plus https://i.insider.com/57ebdc8edd08954b368b47d7?width=700 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027830) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:14 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Oh wow so 10 companies own multiple brands? Wow its a real monopoly *blank stare*
I dont get it. What is a "proper" amount of companies to own those brands? How many brands should a company be banned from owning more than?
And what does this have to do with retailers (what Mamdani is taking on) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:41 PM Author: Vigorous psychic Majority of a major need, like food, should not come from a handful of companies. Its not about the # of brands u legit retard.
Those few companies will often control 80%+ of a market, often just a few (2-4) of them controlling 80%+.
A more competitive market will have say the top few controlling under 50% of the market. |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 8:59 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Lol. Link to the percentages you just made up? Bevauae all your chart shows is a bunch of brands. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028394) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 9:06 AM Author: Vigorous psychic wow how much of the soda drink market is controlled by pepsi and coke? how much of the cereal market is controlled by General mills and kellogs, etc etc. Killyourself ur freak (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50029129) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 9:07 AM Author: Cowardly histrionic range "A major need"
*cites Pepsi*
Also, great statistics, you really proved that you cant eat unless you get 80% from 3 companies or whatever |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:42 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Date: July 27th, 2026 3:32 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,...,,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,,
There are thousands of retailers selling food in NYC. Are you retarded you weird trannfyfucker? |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:43 PM Author: Vigorous psychic thousands.... a handful.... basically the same if you around up to the nearest thousands! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027935) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 8:57 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range So General Mills and Kraft are "retailers" to you and your schizo buddy, genius?) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028391) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 9:22 PM Author: orchid jew theatre I love semantic arguments (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028423) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 11:52 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range You just brought up a completely unrelated post to what we were talkign about you weird psycho. No semantic argument. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028807) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 9:04 AM Author: Vigorous psychic link to me using that term, retard? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50029122) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 9:10 AM Author: Cowardly histrionic range I used it, and you and NSAM replied sarcastically to the obvious teuth that there are thousands of retailers in NYC. Are you retarded? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50029143) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 10:09 AM Author: Vigorous psychic And I made it clear, for a second time, I was never referring to retailers. jfc u are too retarded bye (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50029285) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 10:16 AM Author: Cowardly histrionic range No that is not at all what you were doing. Lol you are a fucking moron. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50029302) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 5:48 PM Author: Vigorous psychic ty for showing yourself to be a legit retard. Those are not suppliers.
https://i.insider.com/57ebdc8edd08954b368b47d7?width=700 |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:59 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Google says Kroger's profit margins are 22-23% (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027969) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 7:01 PM Author: Vigorous psychic Kroger's net profit margin is approximately 0.71% over the trailing twelve months.
retard. its almost as if u need the costs of running a business to run a business. Just like costco charges a roughly 10-15% margin on its good, but breaks even on its stores and makes all of its profit off the membership fee. |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 7:15 PM Author: orchid jew theatre You think Mamdanimart will have the same overhead expenses as Kroger now. You probably think they'll invest like Kroger too. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027992) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 7:53 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range Their overhead will be even higher because it will all be union labor paid prevailing wage, with 50% of contractors being minority or women owned enterprises, and everything ethically sourced and fair trade. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028108) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 9:23 PM Author: orchid jew theatre https://www.ufcw.org/actions/campaign/kroger-union/ (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028427) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 11:51 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range "What is the point of kroger being union if the pay isnt any better than any other grocery company?"
https://www.reddit.com/r/kroger/comments/1octiib/what_is_the_point_of_kroger_being_union_if_the/ |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 9:41 PM Author: cordovan elite pozpig you sound like a real mfe on this topic. no wonder cons are scared to answer you itt. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028471) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 11:49 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028797) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 3:22 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Anyone? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027425) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 3:24 PM Author: Vigorous psychic i already did u fag (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027434) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 5:28 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Cons is this true? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027777) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:41 PM Author: Vigorous psychic cons, like libs, are fags (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027928) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 5:27 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Cons? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027775) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 5:46 PM Author: Motley azure people who are hurt feels like a worthwhile experiment. worst case, some people who usually buy overpriced stuff at a bodega get decent prices for a while (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027823) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 6:06 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Here's how it will work. Once a month, our five city-run grocery stores will set prices for this core set of goods at 30% below typical retail prices. No exceptions, no gimmicks. The savings will last for the entire month. That means no weekly fluctuations or sticker shock at the checkout line—not for our seniors living on fixed incomes, nor for the parents who rely on a regular supply of apple slices to keep toddler tantrums at bay.
https://x.com/i/status/2081748569992937730 |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 7:01 PM Author: shivering well-lubricated stage personal credit line why wont rich ppl crowd out poor (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50027970) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 8:34 PM Author: orchid jew theatre The food will be dollar store tier. Total dogshit. Cons are struggling to come to terms with this (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028317) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 8:43 PM Author: Wild blue kitchen dragon At least mom Donnie is going to be able to do what he promised at least in part (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028352) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 10:23 PM Author: Trip macaca dingle berry Russia literally gave up on communism because Boris Yeltsin came to America and saw the grocery stores under capitalism and realized communism didn't work. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028588) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 11:07 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Now they say grocery shelves are empty again in Russia. Maybe communism is better in the long run (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028736) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 11:18 PM Author: Trip macaca dingle berry Huh?
Russia had no food, they switched to capalism and had food, they then drifted back to a totalitarian regime and have no food again.
Makes you think! Government must be the answer. Just look at how great the North Koreans are doing. |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 11:21 PM Author: orchid jew theatre So as long as Mamdani isn't totalitarian his stores will have food on the shelves? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028750) |
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Date: July 27th, 2026 11:52 PM Author: Cowardly histrionic range (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50028808) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:12 PM Author: orchid jew theatre So is "bread lines" the consensus response from cons? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50030188) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:13 PM Author: Sapphire Offensive Boltzmann Still not convinced these stores are ever going to open. Is the plan still to have the first one open by late 2027? And MFH in 2029? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50030306) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:20 PM Author: orchid jew theatre I'd be more skeptical if they planned to do it faster than that (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50030319) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:40 PM Author: Sapphire Offensive Boltzmann It takes Whole Foods like six months to open a Daily Shop, and these are about the same size. Why didn't they just find abandoned stores to renovate instead of building new stores? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50030356) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:19 PM Author: orchid jew theatre Cons, do we at least agree that bread lines will form? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50030317) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:40 PM Author: orchid jew theatre cons? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50030357) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:47 PM Author: Sapphire Offensive Boltzmann Also really lame that NYC is not actually going to run the stores, they're hiring a private-sector contractor. Why? I thought the government was better at everything?
https://edc.nyc/nyc-groceries-operators-rfp |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 5:08 PM Author: Flatulent charismatic water buffalo jewess libs have shit for brains (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5886643&forum_id=2#50030417) |