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Gunner at UMiami demands prof's resignation -- CAUGHT ON VIDEO!!
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Date: March 9th, 2006 10:48 PM Author: Diverse startled legend http://www.law.miami.edu/webcast/
Town Hall Meeting, Part 1
Starts at the 21:30 mark.
This is truly unbelievable. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 10:51 PM Author: sadistic resort potus I'm about 2 minutes in and he's still going on...
Guys, you *must* see this. I generally agree with his point, but whoa... |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:28 PM Author: Topaz Charismatic Newt I have trouble seeing why what he did was inappropriate or is deserving of being called 'gunnerish' behavior. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295801) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:32 PM Author: sadistic resort potus Let's see... Outrageous demands? Check. Ineffective arguments? Check. Stupid analogies and/or hypotheticals? Check. Flaming for the sake of flaming? Check.
Throw in wearing a suit and the general toolish attitude and I don't see how you can say this wasn't inappropriate or at the very least gunnersish. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:38 PM Author: Topaz Charismatic Newt Well I have to admit, going off campus to an 'alternative classroom' would have me pissed to shit if that happened while at lawschool next year. Someone has to complain about this and represent the student body. Good thing Miami students are competent enough to have at least one kid who would stand up against that crap. This seems to me more about being an advocate for your 15k rather than being usual gunnerish behavior. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295914) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:41 PM Author: sadistic resort potus Oh I completely agree, I think the profs are in the wrong for moving off-campus, especially if they're moving it to a church with bad facilities. My problem here is that this guy's speech was way more toolish and confrontational than it had to be -- I mean come on, did he *really* need to go and say that profs who moved class off campus should be forced to go on sabbatical or otherwise be punished?
He didn't really help his cause at all, and based on the blog post from one of the profs who was there all he did was piss the leftist pro-union profs off and make them think that all the students who are criticizing their actions are self-centered douchebags. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 10:55 PM Author: mind-boggling mother pozpig I'm almost 5 minutes in. This is awesome.
I want to know whether that suit is seersucker or not.
What a washed-up frat boy loser. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:48 AM Author: laughsome rehab dog poop I'm sort of like that dude, but more articulate. Still I respect his ballsy move, he pwned the profs. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297373) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 2:20 AM Author: impressive school cafeteria If you think that was really pwning the profs, you're going to be sorely disappointed when your own rhetorical skill is put to the test. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5314918) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 10:56 PM Author: sadistic resort potus Just finished watching the outburst... it lasted about 5 minutes. Saying he called for a resignation is an exageration, but damn, I can't believe that guy didn't get bitchslapped by one of the profs. Probably one of the worst examples of toolish behavior I've ever seen, and that's from someone who agrees with his general position. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295522) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:02 PM Author: Coiffed lemon church I don't think that calling it an "outburst" is accurate. More accurately--and more humorously--all of his comments were read from a script. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295579) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:04 PM Author: sadistic resort potus True. I guess that makes it even more ridiculous. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295598) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:25 AM Author: Ocher soul-stirring community account . (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297137) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 10:21 AM Author: Indecent menage Its why you don't read a letter to the editor aloud. What a crappy "outburst" 143 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5299239) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:04 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone glittery theater stage beautifully put (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5375791) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:13 PM Author: impertinent drunken useless brakes I love how the other students around him were all looking at the gunner douche in expectation, before he took the microphone. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295676) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 9:43 AM Author: Mewling travel guidebook hospital check out the girls in the front rows as he babbles on , pay particular attention to the girl in the first row ( in black) towars the end she is rubbing her forehead in annoyance. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5299046) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:18 PM Author: Naked sweet tailpipe the girl in pink is hot.
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Date: March 9th, 2006 10:57 PM Author: beta hairraiser messiness someone summarize his gripe (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295533) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 10:59 PM Author: sadistic resort potus http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2006/03/when_students_s.html
However you must see the video... Until I saw the video, I 100% supported the student and thought the prof was out of line on the blog. Seeing the video changed everything, I can completely see where the prof was coming from. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 9:31 AM Author: racy son of senegal Prof still appears to be a dick. It is possible both are. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5298972) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 10:57 PM Author: Puce den pistol haha, the student is an utter, utter fucking douche!
"It has come to my attention that some professors have been holding classes off campus" |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 9:35 AM Author: Mewling travel guidebook hospital " this is not the place for politics, this is a law school"
" your duty is to teach the law not insert you political views."
I did not know it was possible to create laws withouth politics. Hell, I m going to law school partly due to my love of politics, and the fact that I wish to run for public office in the future.
Thank you, sir douchebag< for showing me the error of my ways!
Addendum: Im pretty sure i own that exact same suit. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:57 PM Author: Mint doctorate persian Funny, those two lines were what really caught my attention as well. I especially like the "your duty is to teach the law" part--like the law is a multiplication table.
Of course, I find it equally amusing that some guy that thinks he's a football player was sitting right behind him. |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 12:41 AM Author: Silver half-breed jap 7th Floor Crew troll (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5306396) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 10:58 PM Author: Indigo Whorehouse nice find (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295550) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 10:05 AM Author: Mewling travel guidebook hospital nice to see that the college republicans and the YAF are still cranking out douches..... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5299191) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:15 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle main people alpha This guy just used the world
"unprofessionality" |
Date: March 9th, 2006 10:58 PM Author: sadistic resort potus Blog post from a UMiami prof who was in attendence:
http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2006/03/when_students_s.html |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:00 PM Author: hilarious idiot abode Holy cow, this guy is a douche. He's also an awful speaker. What's this strike he's talking about? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295561) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:01 PM Author: Stubborn Theater Codepig Bus of learning, roll on! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295571) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:03 AM Author: Big-titted giraffe boo ya (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297547) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:02 PM Author: stimulating corner I agree with his main point (Teachers should show up to class); however, this guy is a total douchebag. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295576) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:06 PM Author: sadistic resort potus Yeah, I agree with his point too... However, he was way out of line and reflects very poorly on the other pro-management or anti-union students. He could've made the same point without looking like a douchebag. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295609) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:05 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye I must be a douchebag because I don't see what this dood did that was so wrong. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295607) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:07 PM Author: Puce den pistol Did you not see his suit? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295617) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:07 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye He is in Miami. That is a pretty SWeet suit for Miami. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295623) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 12:31 AM Author: bistre range and the guy next to him is wearing an NFL jersey. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5313846) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:08 PM Author: sadistic resort potus He fulfills pretty much every gunner stereotype imaginable. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295629) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:09 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye His seat location would suggest otherwise. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295638) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:08 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut His viewpoint is completely defensible. Dressing up in a suit and reading a prepared statement is not. He could have talked up in the meeting without a script. He could have also prepared a petition to the dean, but to do what he did how he did it makes him deserve mocking. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295627) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:09 PM Author: Coiffed lemon church Correct. He turned a law school town hall discussion into a high school public speaking workshop. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295644) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:10 PM Author: razzle violent ticket booth azn He's right, but he could have said what he wanted to say less formally and while wearing shorts. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295648) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:11 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye I don't understand why his outfit matters. He was making a prepared speech and dressed accordingly. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295664) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:13 PM Author: sadistic resort potus A prepared speech at an informal town hall meeting?
A suit when it's what, 70 degrees outside and everyone else is dressed casually? |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:15 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye A Town hall meetings are never informal in my view.
B He wasn't the only person in business attire.
C He said he was speaking for a group, as such, notes expressing a broad view seem appropriate to me. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:18 PM Author: Coiffed lemon church Assuming that he wasn't lying about speaking for others, he was still just expressing a single consensus opinion, not a variety of views. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295727) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:20 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye Come on dood. You ever been in the room with 5 people who are supposed to have the same view? Believe me, there is never total consensus, concessions are made. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295741) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:21 PM Author: Coiffed lemon church So? The product of those concessions is a single, consolidated viewpoint for which there is no need to prepare a speech. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295756) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:21 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut A-Asinine
B-Everyone else is dressed how they would normally dressed. The guy in the gold tie looks like a dean and dressed as such. The older prof types had dress shirts and slacks, as professors do. The students were dressed casually, as most students do, and a few tools wore business casual, which correlates to the general percentage of tools in a law school setting.
C-If you have someone representing a group, find a good speaker. FI he wanted to complain formally, he and the other Federalist types could have written and signed a petition. Having this deuche make one point fifty different ways while stuttering the whole time was ridiculous. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:25 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye A Fuck You
B He did not have a monocle, cane, or top hat.
C I never said he was a great public speaker, hence his reliance on the notes. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:32 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut A-The very essense of a town hall meeting is allowing anyone to gather and expess a view. Attaching a dress code defeats the purpose of even having the meeting.
B-The point is that he acted toolish, not that he is the most toolish person to have ever lived.
C-If a group of law students gather and decide to put forth a viewpoint, one would think they would 1-know the audience and forum 2-find an effective and/or persuasive speaker. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 3:04 PM Author: Mint doctorate persian Nice pants and a button-down shirt would be fine--it's not like he was there as an elected representative of a student group.
I've never been particularly fond of the "it's not just me who feels this way, lots of other people do too" approach to argument. It's unprovable and doesn't add anything to the substance of the argument. It also raises the question as to who those other people were and why weren't they there saying the same thing? If anything, it creates the inference that the subject wasn't as important to them.
Notes are fine. This guy was reading a prepared text verbatim. Big difference. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:14 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut The major problem is he didn't dress accordingly.
Everyone else in the room was dressed casually. Further, rather than look like a lawyer and wear a navy or gray suit, this tool walks in like he came from a Milan fashion show. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:16 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye Other people in the room are in business attire. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295708) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:26 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut They were in a position to have to do so.
This student was not in that position as shown by how every other student dressed. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:14 PM Author: razzle violent ticket booth azn Because he didn't need to make a prepared speech, it wasn't all that good. The point was complicated and could have been made just as well ad hoc. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295691) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:13 PM Author: Bateful shaky institution puppy He comes off as a tool but I still agree with his gripe. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295678) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:15 PM Author: Doobsian Cyan Shrine fuck you all. he is right. these teachers are a bunch of washed up hippies trying to relive their anti-war glory days. fuck those hippy teachers and their left wing agenda. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295703) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:18 PM Author: sadistic resort potus He's very right but the execution was terrible. Acting like that isn't going to change anyone's minds, but just reinforce whatever stereotypes the leftist profs had beforehand. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295730) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:19 PM Author: Doobsian Cyan Shrine i don't think he acted inappropriately at all. he made a bunch of good points. he's trying to be professional and act as a representative for other students. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295736) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:23 PM Author: sadistic resort potus Demanding forced sabbatical and a host of other things as retaliation against profs who moved class off campus isn't exactly the way to go if you want to actually get those profs to change things. Look at the post from a Miami prof who was there on PrawfsBlawg, it clearly didn't have the intended effect at all. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295767) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:24 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut He was extremely ineffective. Look at the response on the blog. Effective speakers are not only right but persuasive. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295773) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:29 PM Author: Doobsian Cyan Shrine are we talking about the same guy? the dude with the suit on who spoke at 21:30 for about four minutes?? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295815) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:33 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut Yes (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295854) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:34 PM Author: sadistic resort potus Did you see the reaction from the prof on the PrawfsBlawg post? How can you claim this guy was even remotely effective after seeing that?
The guy did a lot more to hurt his cause than help by giving that speech. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:41 PM Author: Doobsian Cyan Shrine just read it. seems like an insecure young liberal trying to get tenure by showing the older prof's that he's sufficiently liberal to deserve being a full professor. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295946) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:44 PM Author: sadistic resort potus I think the prof is in the wrong to move class, but can you really not understand why someone like that just became more entrenched in his position after hearing that speech? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295978) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:51 PM Author: Doobsian Cyan Shrine i guess the kid seemed a little selfish, but truthfully, i'm so digusted with these liberal 60s-worshipping prof's that I'll forgive his errors. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296059) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:53 PM Author: sadistic resort potus I'm disgusted too... however if your goal is to actually get what you want (like having profs move their classes back to campus), these sorts of tactics aren't going to help you at all. This guy just reinforced the hippie prof's preexisting view that conservative / pro-management / anti-union students are a bunch of self-centered douchebags who don't care about other people and have no strong ideological beliefs. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296088) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:18 AM Author: Doobsian Cyan Shrine yes, it does kind of play into that mindframe. on the other hand, one could argue that persuasion is truly futile and impossible and the best a student can hope for in such a situation is to stick it to the profs. the students aren't going to get their way regardless, at least they can feel a moral victory by telling the prof's to go fuck themselves. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296312) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:20 AM Author: Doobsian Cyan Shrine PS - another and perhaps the only effective strategy would be to undermine the facts that are giving the prof's their little moral crusade. I.e., prove the employees are actually paid well relatively speaking. I'm sure someone could find a way to do that. The bullshit study the Dean cited probably can be attacked in a number of ways. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296330) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 3:13 PM Author: Mint doctorate persian I don't think anyone here is taking issue with his views. I don't really know much about the situation, but I'll assume for the sake of argument that he's entirely correct. What we're going off on is (1) how completely toolish he was, and (2) how said toolishness weakened his argument. If he were a litigator, his client would be in trouble.
Perhaps the suit was for something else, though. We could give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:25 PM Author: hairless self-centered dilemma clown The hospital analogy is why he's at Miami Law. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295783) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:26 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye Don't you go to Texas A&M? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295791) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:13 PM Author: Spectacular jet stage Ziingg!! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5375859) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:27 PM Author: Coiffed lemon church The tennis instructor analogy is why the professor who spoke next is at Miami Law. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295792) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:29 PM Author: Topaz Charismatic Newt titcr. Lol. Weak ass analogy in fact I'd wager he got a 160 on the lsat (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295809) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:34 PM Author: sadistic resort potus Yeah, both analogies sucked.
But then again, the prof made his analogy on his feet, while the student's analogy was part of a prepared speech. So I'd be willing to cut the prof a bit more slack in that area. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:37 PM Author: Topaz Charismatic Newt the Prof took about 10 minutes to respond. He could have enumerated each point and dispatched each in under 2 minutes. This long winded crap reminds me of my experience trying to over analyze LSAT problems while i taught the program. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295895) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:57 PM Author: Electric Affirmative Action every prof at Umiami went to Chicago law (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296118) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:10 AM Author: Violet irradiated cruise ship boistinker (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296249) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:38 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action LOL, I wonder if all TTT's have quality professors like UM (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296547) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:53 AM Author: Violet irradiated cruise ship boistinker (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296768) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:59 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action Wow, I think thats Don Barzini, I totally picture him looking like that. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296831) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:10 AM Author: Violet irradiated cruise ship boistinker (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296964) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:18 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action damn, what the hell gave you that impression, Don is 6'5 250 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297057) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:36 AM Author: Violet irradiated cruise ship boistinker (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297260) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 3:21 AM Author: azure gaming laptop No, he isn't. The fact that he always pretends to be huge is what betrays the fact that he's actually scrawny (rather than a lardass, the only other possibility, who would try to come off as thinner). Remember when he pretended to have like a 52" chest? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5298284) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:19 PM Author: Electric Affirmative Action So you don't think Don could look like the guy who wrote that blog that was posted? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5300217) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 5:57 PM Author: Anal Zombie-like Marketing Idea Chad i've always had the same impression... this confirmation makes it certain (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5375748) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:26 PM Author: wonderful karate pit He's pretty hawt. Man, and I came THIS close to going to Miami! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295787) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:28 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut This guy is definately gay. He's only there for Key West. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295803) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:30 PM Author: wonderful karate pit All the good ones are gay. Sigh. He doesn't sit like a gay guy, though... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295826) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:31 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Round Eye Key West has declined in gayness since the Cruise ships started coming and ruined the hip factor. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295830) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:30 PM Author: aggressive school selfie I thought his speech was over the top and demonstrated some immaturity.
But I have no problem with him reading a prepared statement. If he truly is speaking on behalf of other students, I would endorse them getting together and approving a statement so that it is reasonably representative of their views.
And I have no problem with him wearing a suit. Prior to the town-hall meeting, you don't know how other people are going to dress. He might have reasonably expected that if he is going to take the floor with a microphone and read a strongly worded statement, he ought to look professional. I may not have gone as far as a suit, but some higher level of dress is clearly appropriate. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:32 PM Author: buck-toothed passionate spot This whole situation just shows why liberals are so ineffective. They completely lack any conviction to their beliefs. Their only willing to act on them when they are the ones not paying the price. It's very easy to be rightous when you shift the burden of your convictions onto others. The profs should either join the picket or STFU and just accept they're part of corporate america, not the idealist outsiders they hold themselves out to be. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295846) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:38 PM Author: sadistic resort potus Completely agreed, the whole picket line business is ridiculous. If he's moving class to a church with shitty facilities he might as well just cancel class if he wants to protest. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295916) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 3:16 PM Author: Mint doctorate persian We liberals are not all the same. This sounds like a stupid protest irrespective of its politics. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5301866) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:02 AM Author: Abusive Exciting Tanning Salon TITCREAM, they don't care how their silly little protests affect innocent outsiders. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296164) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:34 PM Author: Concupiscible Really Tough Guy Hunting Ground Whoa very douchey, awesome! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295866) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:35 PM Author: spruce self-absorbed yarmulke "politics have no place in law school" - my favorite line in his rant - it sounds like this guy wants his school to be a glorified bar prep class
I think that he would have been much more effective if he wasn't wearing a suit and not reading a prepared statement. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:39 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut That's what made him so terrible.
If he had said, "We pay you to be here from 10-11:30. You should be here during that time," it would have been ok, save the suit.
But he acted like Horowitz for 90 percent of the speech, which is ironically a political statement. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:39 PM Author: gaped transparent kitty "...level of unprofessionality..." 25:05
Unprofessionality??? Someone translate for me. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:43 PM Author: Concupiscible Really Tough Guy Hunting Ground dont misunderestimate him (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295973) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:39 PM Author: Tantric Indian Lodge Cool guys, with cool haircuts.....how does he get his hair to do that? Is he gellin'? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295929) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:41 PM Author: Chartreuse hell I give the kid his props, no matter how douchish, it takes much more guts to take a stand than to remain silent and passive.
I'm also impressed by the professor who spoke after him.
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:42 PM Author: Concupiscible Really Tough Guy Hunting Ground it really doesnt take guts to be a douche, just arrogance (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295959) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:44 PM Author: Chartreuse hell I disagree, I think it takes a great deal of guts to be a douche. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295985) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:43 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut That's the problem with gunner deuches. They have absolutely no self-awareness. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295972) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:48 PM Author: sadistic resort potus I might feel the same way if it was a spontaneous thing... however he had a prepared speech, that he supposedly developed with the help of several other students. Given that, you really can't excuse the level of douchiness or the tone he took. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296030) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:55 PM Author: buck-toothed passionate spot I think the fact that is was prepared showed more guts. He must have known it was going to be a controversial position and that he is now on a lot of professor's shit list (as much as they promise to be fair, it's not humanly possibly after someone called you out at a public meeting). To agree to convey your (and others) opinion despite this is quite courageous.
However, if he agreed to make the speech to make a name for himslef or because he likes attention, than it shows douchiness and a complete lack of awareness. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:58 PM Author: sadistic resort potus You can make a speech on a controversial issue without alienating your audience. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296129) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:01 AM Author: buck-toothed passionate spot I'm not disagreeing that it was a terrible speech and the guy is an idiot for not knowing that in advance, just that it took guts to actual stand up and deliver it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296154) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:02 AM Author: sadistic resort potus I don't think it's guts as much as a lack of self-awareness. He probably truly thought his speech was great. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296168) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:59 PM Author: Overrated Juggernaut A truly prepared speech doesn't need notes.
Ad-hoc-->what this guy did-->prepared
Only the middle area isn't ok. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:50 PM Author: gaped transparent kitty It may have taken some guts to say something, but the execution was terrible.
His point could've been made w/n a minute and w/o reading a speech. And oh, not the occasion to break out the Miami Vice suit. |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:55 PM Author: sadistic resort potus And the fact that the speech was prepared just makes everything else about it worse. A lot of it could be excused if it was spontaneous, but it's really hard to excuse the shitty analogy, ridiculous demands for retaliation, etc. when you know the thing was written in advance and with the input of others. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296104) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:44 PM Author: Chartreuse hell I'm watching more of the video and I'm generally very impressed with the people of UMiami. They seem genuine and humble, unlike the folks here at Harvard. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5295980) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:53 PM Author: wonderful karate pit Plus, all the women there look like Meg Ryan. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296078) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:59 AM Author: Free-loading new version OMG is Starscream the meg ryan is the perfect woman guy? that was my favorite schtick of all time. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297491) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:00 AM Author: Coiffed lemon church Hey, keep your personal opinions out of this place of learning. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297515) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:53 PM Author: Tantric Indian Lodge could he have pulled this off infront of the Harvard profs? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296081) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:54 PM Author: Chartreuse hell there are very few 'genuine' people at Harvard. Most people would've left his meeting and very few would've taken it seriously since it wouldn't make a nice blurb on their resume. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296099) |
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Date: March 9th, 2006 11:55 PM Author: Chartreuse hell I'm going to donate money to UMiami instead of Harvard when I'm working biglaw. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296107) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:01 AM Author: Overrated Juggernaut But would you hire this guy? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296149) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:01 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action kick ass (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296151) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:09 AM Author: Alcoholic Heady Brunch Degenerate i second that he's a total douche... but he does have a point. they're paying close to $50k/yr to get a (mediocre) legal education. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296242) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:17 AM Author: blue toaster rigpig The "rhetoric of me" is less persuasive than the "rhetoric of us." An abdication of duty to a community of students would be more fitting than a failure to satisfy an individual's preferences. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296304) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:24 AM Author: crimson gas station coldplay fan i don't get it. there is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary going on here. you people are idiots (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296369) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:29 AM Author: Curious pearl feces garrison the only significant fuck up was his calling for consequences that the administration would never enforce (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296420) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:36 AM Author: Bonkers splenetic parlor dysfunction The professor who spoke after the douche just rambled. What the hell is his point? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296504) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:51 AM Author: Curious pearl feces garrison freedom of expression for professors >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296737) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:37 AM Author: green vivacious property bus of learning = worst analogy ever! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296521) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:39 AM Author: Bonkers splenetic parlor dysfunction btw, what an awful lecture hall (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296561) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:43 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action thats what the classrooms look like, just big rooms, with semi stadium seating (they fit about 45-50ppl per room) They have blinds on the windows, the law school really has no personality, it's so blah. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296615) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:40 AM Author: exhilarant dingle berry ladyboy Subject: Did everyone see Edge James there too! That was SWeet (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296573) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:46 AM Author: vengeful lettuce plaza some hawt girls in that video (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296661) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:02 AM Author: Abusive Exciting Tanning Salon Is "Now We Know Why Miami Is a Second Tier School" someone from XOXO? The posts start near the bottom quarter of the comments.
http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2006/03/when_students_s.html |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:04 AM Author: sadistic resort potus He claims to be a student from Miami. In any case he knows a lot more about the situation there than has been reported here or elsewhere. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5296897) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:13 AM Author: canary area hominid Subject: Now We Know Why... This is definitely a UM Law student. And, whatever the problems with the first speaker in the video, I can personally attest to the fact that the professors at UM are acting like a bunch of assholes over a meaningless dispute that doesn't even concern them.
As if UM students didn't have it hard enough already... |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:16 AM Author: sadistic resort potus I agree, it's a really bad move on the professors' part. I just wish some of these disgruntled students articulated their argument in a way that would at least have the potential to change the UM profs' minds. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297690) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:17 AM Author: Abusive Exciting Tanning Salon This is credited. It's quite painful to see a fellow conservative making a mockery of himself. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297703) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:25 AM Author: sadistic resort potus Unfortunately every school has at least one guy like that... HLS has Ben Shapiro, and UM has the guy in this video. I wish they realized they hurt their cause more than they help and would just tone things down a bit. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297766) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:35 AM Author: Abusive Exciting Tanning Salon I don't understand how he thought an angry tone would come off better than a logical tone (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297867) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:25 AM Author: canary area hominid Unfortunately, the professors will not change their minds, come hell or high water. They truly believe that they will change the world by moving their classes to other locations. After this labor dispute is over, I wouldn't be surprised to see classes continue in this vein, seeing as how there is still no peace in the Middle East, the rain forests are being denuded, global warming is melting the polar ice caps, etc.... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297770) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:27 AM Author: sadistic resort potus True. Still, at the very least he could make his argument without providing the profs with a convenient strawman. Look at the prof's latest blog post, he's still using this guy's speech as representative of all those who are criticizing his decision. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297786) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:32 AM Author: canary area hominid I'll admit that the guy in the video (who may or may not be Now We Know Why...) took a tone that didn't necessarily earn him the respect of his peers or his professors. However, the point he was trying to make, once you get past all the fire and brimstone, is a generally good one. As for Now We Know Why (on the prof's blog), I think he/she also makes some valid points, and does so without the "vitriol" that the prof seems to be so concerned with. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297831) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:38 AM Author: Abusive Exciting Tanning Salon I fully agree with his points, but he's such an abrasive tool that I just ended up feeling sorry for him. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297897) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:39 AM Author: canary area hominid Personally, I don't think these are the same people. After all, Now We Know... didn't call for the profs to lose vacation time, their jobs, etc. (not exactly the best way for "VideoBoy" to get his point across). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297913) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:15 AM Author: Free-loading new version *rolls on* (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297020) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:18 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action LOL (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297060) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:37 AM Author: Concupiscible Really Tough Guy Hunting Ground COME BAACK (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297272) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:41 AM Author: Free-loading new version I wait for no man! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297295) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 9:56 AM Author: Mewling travel guidebook hospital goddammnit!!!! I wish I had taken that screenname!! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5299119) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 9:56 AM Author: Mewling travel guidebook hospital don't leave me in the dust! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5299125) |
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Date: March 18th, 2006 9:43 PM Author: Mewling travel guidebook hospital bump! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5370188) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:26 AM Author: sadistic resort potus New post about this situation from one of the profs involved.
http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2006/03/i_believe_i_am_.html |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:33 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action he's 26 years old, graduated from yale in 04 how the hell did he get this job at such a young age. I understand he was LR editor and all but damn, can the guy practice law first before he teaches it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297223) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:45 AM Author: Free-loading new version he's been on me for some time. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297342) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:48 AM Author: onyx comical fortuitous meteor You people are fucking pathetic.
He had a good point that he made. Who gives a shit if he dressed up and read it. He's right. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:50 AM Author: Bateful shaky institution puppy Whoever posted this = 180:
"This whole saga is hilarious and sad at the same time.
To the professors: Please just take pity on these poor students and move your classes back to campus. They pay a ridiculous amount of money for a degree that will not even land the vast majority of them a market biglaw job, so you could at least demonstrate benevolence by making their time in law school as painless as possible.
The pompous, self-glorification is astounding. Please do not engage in such dissembling by claiming that UM is some sort of "academic community". You are operating in the business of churning out unprestigious JDs. Admit that to yourselves, and stop making students suffer for your petty little causes.
The student body is made up of individuals who ended up with 155 LSATs because they couldn't read a paragraph and answer questions about it. Not exactly the cream of the crop. Anyone with a legitimate academic bent will be at one of about 15 law schools. This self-sorting is doubly ironic, because the people with 155 LSATs are the same ones who aren't intelligent enough to do an expected value calculation on paying $100K in tuition for a degree that will only be worthwhile for the top 10% of the class.
To the innocent little girl who is "terrified" when free market values are espoused: I'd imagine there is a strong correlation between not understanding capitalism and ending up at a TTT law school."
Posted by: Hugs and Kisses, Hope This Helps! | Mar 10, 2006 1:42:03 AM
http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2006/03/when_students_s.html#c14862689 |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:54 AM Author: Free-loading new version filthy texas troll (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297427) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:57 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action I think GTO posted that he's been all over this story (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297469) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:58 AM Author: sadistic resort potus Not me. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297481) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:00 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action It's still awesome, I wonder what his repsonse will be, he's clearly more prestigious than any of us. Maybe I'll invite him to xoxo (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297517) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:03 AM Author: histrionic roommate queen of the night Subject: I already did (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297540) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:11 AM Author: Electric Affirmative Action who the fuck are you? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297649) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:04 AM Author: sadistic resort potus Looks like someone already did. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297557) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:13 AM Author: Abusive Exciting Tanning Salon Yeah, he is pretty prestigious to be teaching ANYWHERE at his age. It's probably an intersection of Yale's great placement in academia, Miami's lack of prestige, and the fact that he was at the TOP of yale. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297665) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:15 AM Author: sadistic resort potus Yup, extremely impressive and prestigious.
What's very weird is that he hasn't published much though (assuming that he put all his publications on SSRN). |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:48 AM Author: Twinkling at-the-ready police squad sneaky criminal law profs need only two publications for tenure, supposedly. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5298005) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:06 PM Author: Shivering walnut cuck That's nowhere close to true. These days you usually need two publications just to get hired. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5375807) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:08 AM Author: Abusive Exciting Tanning Salon Come on now, is GTO really likely to troll for Texas on a law prof's blog? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297615) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:11 AM Author: sadistic resort potus Not to mention that I already posted several times on both of those threads. If I wanted to make those sorts of arguments I would've made them then (or if I wanted to remain anonymous I wouldn't have posted with my real name at all -- after all it's not like he can't see IPs). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297651) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:34 AM Author: Abusive Exciting Tanning Salon It's really a huge mystery. I don't even see how we could start to narrow it down. Insipid TTTexas TTTroll making flame posts in the middle of the night.....it could be ANYONE.
I personally think it's either Strom or Penguin. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 10:51 AM Author: Jet-lagged Salmon Coffee Pot Meetinghouse (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5299381) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:11 AM Author: Chest-beating temple "In your mind, you are doing the right thing. You are entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, and, I submit, in the opinion of quite a few others, your decision, while in your mind the correct one, was not the best way to handle the situation."
Elequently put.
The only way it could have been stated more clearly is, "You think you're right, we think you're wrong." |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:17 AM Author: canary area hominid At least somebody at that school has the balls to stand up against these professors who seem to long for the good ol' days of SDS and sit-ins at Berkeley... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297701) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:23 AM Author: Chest-beating temple Dumbasses like the person who wrote that statement want nothing more than something like this to argue about. If it was at my institution, I would care. They're attending law school because people always told them that since they liked to argue, they should be a lawyer. Here's their chance to argue. If they're 3Ls, this could be their last chance. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297751) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:29 AM Author: canary area hominid It's probably all they can do to take some kind of stand against professors at a second-rate institution who are making it that much harder for their students to have any kind of fighting chance in the real world... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297809) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:40 AM Author: Chest-beating temple That is true, although the type of (attempted) intellectual grandstanding exhibited by this gunnerdouche and the author of the above sentence only makes these intelligent professor realize how fucking dumb their critics are and completely shut them out of the debate.
Notice how the professor appealed to the opinions of his colleauges in his blog entry, making it clear that he has completely stopped listening to the nonsense coming from the mouths of UM students. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:12 AM Author: stimulating corner He needs to fight RTB.
How can we go about setting this up? |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:31 AM Author: fluffy library This is a fantastic thread. 180!!!! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297825) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 2:45 AM Author: multi-colored sapphire therapy This thread is huge for not having any significant branches on it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5297975) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 9:20 AM Author: peach bossy mental disorder Is that Van Wilder in the Video???????? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5298922) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 9:36 AM Author: racy son of senegal Are the classes being held off campus because some profs do not wish to cross a picket line? If so, some sanctions are in order. The dean of the school (assuming he's not also off campus) should act. The prof can join the picket line after he's done his duty and show solidarity that way. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5299010) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 11:43 AM Author: 180 Coral Step-uncle's House Yea that is the basic idea. I'm at UMiami for undergrad and the same shit is going on. Some of the employees of UNICCO (our janitorial/ maintenance companies) are striking and attempting to form a union through the SEIU. A lot of professors have refused to hold classes within the classrooms. Professors are wearing t-shirts proclaiming "SUPPORT THE FACULTY STRIKE" (I guess they are striking too), etc. etc. I've had classes outside which isn't that bad since the weather has been nice. This has, of course, brought out all the old hippie professors who are having a flashback to Vietnam.
There was a march with a few hundred people last week in support for the workers. There was an email from the administration that went out campus-wide this past Wed. stating that while the university supports free speech and that there should be no stifling of it, that there is still a duty to teach. This didn't change much since my Thurs. class was still outside. The bright side is that our professors have informed us that we cannot be counted as being absent if we don't show up to the out of classroom locations.
OTOH, next week is Spring Break and I'll be curious to see if the "politically active" kids here still remember to poor workers while they are in the Caribbean. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 9:38 AM Author: Mewling travel guidebook hospital i love this guy's phrasing: " the bus of learning would roll leaving me in the dust"
LMAO!!!! |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 9:42 AM Author: peach bossy mental disorder Also pretty sure Mommy and Daddy are picking up the tab for his bus of learning (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5299038) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 11:15 AM Author: Primrose seedy stag film Best line 24:50---->25:15(a zinger finale to his awful hospital analogy)... "the mere idea doesn't cross people's minds because the prospect is so silly."
Great-googly-moogly this guy sucks. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 11:53 AM Author: unholy maroon kitchen sound barrier while highly douchetastic, this man is braver than all of you can hope to be
inarticulate doucheface, but brave. if i were him, i would be concerned about being blackballed by all my future profs (i.e. giving me bad grades). Bet he's a 3L |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 12:13 PM Author: brindle location other than he's reading from a script and he's not that persuasive, i agree with him and don't think he looks like a gunner. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5300159) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 1:35 PM Author: odious factory reset button Yep. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5300968) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 3:12 PM Author: magenta razzmatazz cuckoldry becky So, he's a douche. He's wearing a suit that belongs in the 1970's when everyone else is in a Tshirt and jeans. His logic and argument tactics aren't the best (but he's at UMiami, so, he's probably not the smartest guy alive). He read from a script for 5 minutes making points that should only take 2 minutes.
But, come on. If someone scheduled my class at a church across town for asinine politcal reasons, I would be royally pissed. At least he had the balls to call them out on that to their faces. |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 10:00 PM Author: Mewling travel guidebook hospital bump of love.. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5312364) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 11:31 PM Author: Abusive Exciting Tanning Salon I think I am in love with this girl:
http://www.utexas.edu/law/faculty/profile.php?id=KVL64
She pwns the commies on that blog with easy. I think I'll try to take her classes and also date her while I'm in law school. |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 11:53 PM Author: fear-inspiring locus mad cow disease she seems toolish and she's trying to destroy law reviews. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5313474) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 11:58 PM Author: sadistic resort potus How is she trying to destroy law reviews? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5313521) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 12:59 AM Author: fear-inspiring locus mad cow disease "Two of her three published articles came out in peer-reviewed outlets, and she wants to encourage law students to abandon the corrupt system of law journals for worthier pursuits." (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5314091) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 12:25 AM Author: hideous hyperactive locale He's a douche, Miami is a second-rate institution . . . you guys sure like to dish it out on this anonymous message board.
I haven't listened to the video. It sounds like his speech sucked but I don't get the thing about the suit. People are taken more seriously in a suit. Possibly for that reason, possibly for some other, he decided to wear a suit. Lay off.
I really don't get it. Some of you think it's fine to lie in job interviews, yet you think overdressing is an unforgivable transgression. |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:01 AM Author: impressive school cafeteria a business suit? yes.
a seersucker suit that would be more at home in Miami Vice? no. |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 12:48 AM Author: sadistic resort potus Another law prof blogger weighs in.
http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2006/03/vladecks_shinin_1.html |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 12:49 AM Author: fluffy library This is great stuff. Thanks for posting it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5313997) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 12:56 AM Author: offensive slap-happy state he sounds totally right, but he is very wordy and kinda douchey. and he's blowing it way outta proportion, sounds like. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5314073) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 1:09 AM Author: Vigorous personal credit line rigor Yes, he does look like a total gunner tool. I think he had every right to make his point. Deffinitly a bold move. That said, he's a horrible public speaker. And for remarks that he wrote down and obviously considered at length beforehand, he was rather inarticulate and tactless at times. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5314191) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:03 AM Author: impressive school cafeteria the worst thing about the entire speech is that it was prepared. it's horribly written, contains atrocious analogies and basic gaps in reasoning, and is generally douchey while at the same time being entirely ineffective, contradictory, and hypocritical.
if that's the best this guy and his pals can do with advance notice, then i'm going to have an extraordinarily easy time practicing law. |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 11:14 AM Author: Claret sex offender circlehead Subject: TTT Has anyone noted that Miami is TTT? This might be one of the only opportunities this poor gunner will have to wear his fancy suit before working at the south beach KFC post graduation. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5316547) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 1:49 PM Author: Yellow idea he suggested bawdyhouse Did anyone watch the rest of the video?? A casting agent couldn't have better matched up the people in terms of looks to what they were saying (ie bookish law school dean, conservative gunner, liberal professors, bleeding heart hippy, airhead blonde, rebellious JAP, non-trad, etc) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5317413) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 5:30 PM Author: lime nursing home mad-dog skullcap I see the school won't aid the coup that's being tried by laborers who are unhappy with union brass. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5375483) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:09 PM Author: Shivering walnut cuck This same thing happened at Yale a couple years ago, but nobody cared because the limousine liberal students all supported the strike.
I'm with the conventional wisdom on this. The guy is right, but a tremendous douche. |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:19 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone glittery theater stage I have no doubt that this is a spinter cell of students who have encouraged seer-sucker gunner boy to go make this speech. I know this type - if there is any tiny little thing to bitch about, they will. It makes them feel important.
I mean, who the fuck cares if the class is held off campus or not. Yes, their tuition pays for the profs salary and it seems to me that the profs are trying to deliver the product these students have paid for inspite of some labour strike. What is the problem here?
(ok, i didn't listen to the whole thing) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:56 PM Author: Anal Zombie-like Marketing Idea Chad 1. Human nature: no matter what professors say, some will hold it against students who do not show up to class... and this will directly effect student in classes with subjective class participation grading.
2. Coerced speech: students who go to class, but do not agree with the professors political views, will be seen as supporting the professors' political views, both because professors will explicitly or implicitly use their students' attendance as confirmation of their views, and because students do not have to go, some will not go, and therefore some observers will assume that those who go support the professor.
3. Hardship on innocent parties: professors may take up political views, and forebear pleasures and social standing in pursuit of those beliefs, but they should not be allowed to pursue their beliefs at the cost of others, be they students, janitors, or disinterested third parties. Political discourse is not justifiied when it infringes on the rights of others. Clearly, the students paid for the right to attend class - in general, except for extreme and short term situations - at the campus, and to move classes off campus is to infringe upon that right.
The suit was cool, having notes in hand was ok, reading off of the notes for 5 minutes was retarded, and only less retarded than most of the professors who spoke. Alas, I remember why I hate law school. |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:25 PM Author: alcoholic cordovan ratface While I agree that the guy is no doubt a douche. I must say it is douchey that the professors are holding classes off campus. If I pay for law school classes then I want them in the agreed upon place or time unless there's an emergency (not a pre-planned protest). Both sides of this are douches. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5375940) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:35 PM Author: stirring vermilion senate water buffalo who wasted their time watching this crap to find this douchebag? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5376003) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:42 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone glittery theater stage Do you suspect the op is the gunner in question?
Maybe it was posted by one of the other people at the meeting |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 6:54 PM Author: jade swashbuckling parlour if that gunner really had balls he would have pulled a strom thurmond and started reading from cookbooks until each prof either A: tried to throw him out of class or B: moved class back onto campus
of course he would have to make it known that he would filibuster each class until such time as it was moved back to its proper location |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 7:06 PM Author: lime nursing home mad-dog skullcap Even if this guy really has more balls than brains, that's still not saying much. Every other person there easily showed that his arg proceeds from a subjective view on what it is to teach. In fact, everybody so fairly perforated it, not even the dumb blonde stumbled while causing it to resemble a child's opinion. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5376306) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 7:16 PM Author: jade swashbuckling parlour You haven't shown how. In fact, most people on this thread that have attacked the guy have attacked him for being a douchey messenger, rather than attacking the douchey message itself.
He had no class and no flare (sp?), but he is undoubtedly correct. The only things his opponents revealed in the meeting were their own flakey viewpoints, probably moreso than the douche revealed his douchiness.
That you have simply attacked the messenger by alleging that both his balls and brains are lightweight reveals your politics in the same way.
His message might have been attacked and the messenger himself might have been perforated, but his argument sure as hell wasn't. In fact, noone even attempted to really deal with the argument itself except the first prof who thought it would be cool to just run circles around the guy intellectually without really taking on the substance of his conclusion. |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 8:44 PM Author: Out-of-control Toilet Seat Point Subject: The Best Part Is At 26:30 At the 26:30 mark he just finishes his long winded, overblown, "voice of the students". He clearly thinks he hit the ball out of the park, because he sits down and take a long smug drink of aquafina.
Perfecto. |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 8:59 PM Author: titillating lake national Waste of fucking time. Being a gunner means that you are superior to others, and do everything to let them know that. This guy is the opposite of that. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5377311) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 10:00 PM Author: translucent cowardly forum ceo fast forward to 1:21:30 and listen to the girl's reason for missing class one time last year. sounded kind of like an airhead when she started to speak, then she confirmed it with what she said. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#5377861) |
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Date: March 15th, 2007 5:08 PM Author: Mewling travel guidebook hospital thanks for bumping a classic (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#7759580) |
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Date: March 15th, 2007 8:40 PM Author: Slate Blood Rage Has it been a year already? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#7760745) |
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Date: March 15th, 2007 11:13 PM Author: Yellow idea he suggested bawdyhouse one of my favorite threads ever (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=376307&forum_id=2#7761708) |