Date: February 20th, 2013 12:09 PM Author: vibrant prole
I admittedly live in an EC city where a car isn't necessary, but even if I were rich & in a driving city, I can't imagine ever wanting something more expensive than a Camry or whatever the Nissan/Honda equivalent is (Ultima?/Accord?).
Luxury vehicles just seem like such a waste of money.
Do you Audi/BMW ppl really derive more utility from driving those than just a Toyota + wasting the $$ saved on vactions/drugs/hookers?
Driving luxury cars is noticeably better and sweeter, but I agree, I'd rather spend the $$$ elsewhere. Especially because most Hondas are going to last a lot longer / be cheaper to service than a German car.
Date: February 20th, 2013 12:19 PM Author: Coral contagious kitchen
Sure, I guess though a nuance is that he does not even see the subjective value of driving a BMW outside of the prestige. Like is the handling or comfort any better?
Date: February 20th, 2013 12:20 PM Author: Histrionic medicated stage water buffalo
Is this a serious question?
Date: February 20th, 2013 12:19 PM
Author: Cow goes Moo
Sure, I guess though a nuance is that he does not even see the subjective value of driving a BMW outside of the prestige. Like is the handling or comfort any better?
cars are amazing man. they become this extension of your body that you control to take you where you need to go. they provide this amazing little climate-controlled habitat where you can just chill and listen to tunes.
Date: February 20th, 2013 12:29 PM Author: swollen thirsty station
i hear you own "luxury" cars--why buy a lexus vs. a toyota or an acura vs. a honda if the only diff is branding, some style cues, and wood trim.
however, i don't agree on performance differences. you have straight line acceleration, sure, but I feel much more connected to the road, and enjoy the experience more, driving a performance tuned car like a bmw over an everyday sedan.
Date: February 20th, 2013 12:57 PM Author: Dull Office
It's something I derive enjoyment from, like people do with golf, jogging, or knitting socks in a rocking chair. Having a sports car that is fun to drive is very enjoyable, especially on the weekends or when not in city traffic.
Some good music + some open roads + a fun car = very credited on a weekend afternoon.
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:11 PM Author: Dull Office
No, but going from 0-60 in a car with 300 + horsepower and torque with tight handling and stiff suspension is appreciably more fun than going to 0-60 in a 4 cylinder, 120 horsepower 4-door civic with a slushbox and a suspension designed to cart grandma to church without spilling her tea.
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:13 PM Author: Razzmatazz volcanic crater
eh, you get to do that once when you merge on, you'd be better off spending some money at the go-cart track or buying a dirtbike, that acceleration is wayyyyy more fun
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:29 PM Author: arousing locale
i drove a shitty rental convertible mustang and it was fucking terrible. I hope the suspension is significantly beefed up. that car was a joke and drove worse than my accord.
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:07 PM Author: Razzmatazz volcanic crater
yes, Americans are fantastically wasteful in their car spending
if you're serious about driving for fun you ought to get a track car, you will not be using your M3's abilities on the interstate
if you're really rich then there's no sense in not having a rolls or whatever, but basically everything from midlevel luxury on down is a waste of time and money used to convey status, it's a nationwide dick measuring contest that has gotten out of hand
pretty much any car that isn't a total shitbox costs a decent amount of money these days. may as well get the car you want esp since people spend a large amount of their time in them. it makes more sense to me than buying expensive clothes.
people buying those cars waste money on tons of other shit as well. you'd have to have the mindset you just said about every thing you buy which would just get depressing.
and whether you agree with it or not, people place a value on status.
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:24 PM Author: Razzmatazz volcanic crater
I know they do, but it's stupid and they miss out on all sorts of other things like not being on the edge of bankruptcy for their entire wretched lives
most Americans are fucked and fucking stupid, if you make a few hundred k it doesn't matter, but most people finance these shitboxes and never pay them off
plus having the mindset that you shouldn't waste money on worthless shit with respect to any major purchases isn't depressing, that's just basic common sense
yea, none of that is limited to just cars. people blow money on houses, vacations, restaurants/clubs, furniture, tuition, electronics, and god knows what else that they can't afford. Hell we just had a thread listing prole vacation spots as pretty much anywhere that is cheap, convenient, and otherwise fun. instead you need to fly around the world and spend thousands of $ with the only added value really being the sense of self satisfaction you get. compared to those things, wasting money on a car that you spend 10%+ of your life in and may increase your chances of getting laid is pretty low on the totem pole.
out of the 20% on your chart, only 6.5% are from actually buying cars and only a fraction of that would be the difference between a bmw and a honda. gas and other transportation isn't going to change (lower maintenance costs or better gas mileage is a separate argument).
it really isn't by all that much (I've owned both very bad amd decently nice cars). insurance is cheap as long as you don't get in accidents or get tickets and are over 25.
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:26 PM Author: Razzmatazz volcanic crater
any modern car does both of those, the advance in tech are crazy, a modern honda accord could outrace most 20 year old sports cars, handling has been good enough for a long time, you're paying for *better* handling than the other guys new model
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:44 PM Author: Drab Chad
I have a Porsche 944 turbo for my fun car. It's got a lot of work done on it from the turbocharger, clutch, computer, and some driveline and chassis work.
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:41 PM Author: Razzmatazz volcanic crater
I don't mean there isn't a difference, I mean IRL, driving on an actual road with traffic on your way to someplace, that does not actually matter, you will not race around a corner and correct your powerslide IRL, that is in your imagination, you're spending most of your time wishing you could do what your car is capable of but never doing it (unless you actually go to a track)
Doesnt just matter around corners. Try getting traction with 400+ hp off the line and front wheel drive. Try not slamming into a median because of torque steer. Also, you cant do donuts which sucks.
I love cars and trucks and I love driving, but I fully agree that I don't get why people spend as much as they do. It really comes down to silly social prestige and very little else. Obviously if you have a very large net worth the calculus is different, but the vast majority of these people do not.
I grew up poor and frugal, so my aversion to spending money negates any added benefit I'd get from a luxury car, but I can see how it is definitely better and more fun if you can comfortably afford one. I'd much rather save the money and use it for any number of other things.
Not like super poor where we didn't have food, but there was always money problems. I remember more than once my parents had to "borrow" money from me that I'd saved from Christmas/birthday.
I agree it isn't a 180 move, but it did teach me that money is hard to come by, valuable, and makes life easier. I don't know that they had many options--no assets to get a loan, other family didn't really have money to lend (and I've got one fuck up uncle who's probably in the whole to my grandparents for a good chunk of money.)
i can see buying a midlevel luxury car if you spend a lot of time driving, or buying something like a volov wagon and using it for 20 years because it's really well made.
stuff like the bmw 3 series and bottom of the barrel benzes/lexuses seem retarded though. i assume people who drive 3 series sedans are douches.
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:46 PM Author: Razzmatazz volcanic crater
no, I mean it is your responsibility not to be a fucking idiot and waste what eventually amounts to years of your fucking time on this earth sitting in traffic
I guess it makes more sense to retire 5 years later because you chose to buy some shithole overpriced condo in the city and were forced to send your kids to an even more overpriced private school
Date: February 20th, 2013 1:55 PM Author: Talented juggernaut
lol, i work in santa monica, the condo i own is 30-35 min away (only 8 miles). a comparable condo in santa monica is about $400k more. i drive a nice car to make the commute more bearable. i'm a "fucking idiot" b/c i can't afford to live 5-10 min driving distance to work?
Date: February 20th, 2013 2:05 PM Author: Carnelian Church Dragon
(weird unsexed tard who attacked nutella because she's a girl)
it's like you're 7 years old and are throwing spitballs at some girl you really like but don't know how to talk to or fuck because you've never talked to or fucked a girl in your life. good luck with everything, spanky.
Date: February 20th, 2013 2:05 PM Author: internet-worthy death wish school
i dunno what kind of car you drive, but i have to assume that your commute, which appears to be spent sitting in traffic is not remotely enhanced by your car's performance. For me, the novelty of sitting in a luxury car wears off pretty quickly.
Date: February 20th, 2013 2:10 PM Author: Carnelian Church Dragon
LOL. the "novelty" of having a nice car, in FUCKING LOS ANGELSS, is being able to show it off. THERE's NO BETTER WAY TO SHOW OFF YOURE CAR IN LA than being stuck in LA traffic. the fact that you dont realize this shows me that you're a fucking retard.
Date: February 20th, 2013 2:16 PM Author: Talented juggernaut
i agree sitting in a luxury car wears off and besides, toyota/hondas make really nice interior these days anyway if you get the upgrades.
as far as performance, it shaves off about 3-5 min off my commute and keeps me somewhat sane (i get road ragey a lot). i can better accelerate off the line and quickly cut people off before the next block (yes, i'm that asshole driver). there's this one 4 lane road in particular where cars are sometimes parked on the far right lane but is open for 2-3 block stretches and it'd be hard to cut in and out of the lane w/o some extra power (i can go from 0-60 and then quickly cut in front of a bunch of slow ass priuses).
i also take a lot of weekend trips and some longer trips where there are scenic drives and it is very very nice. worth the extra $30k? probably not but it's not like it's money i should be spending on something else when i have plenty in the bank.
Date: February 20th, 2013 2:20 PM Author: internet-worthy death wish school
yeah i guess dont really think its foolish for someone in your position to buy a luxury car. you enjoy the thing and the added cost doesnt really have an effect on your lifestyle.
the leather on the more expensive shoes is going to be of higher quality, and they'll be able to stand up to more re-solings/re-heelings over the life of the shoe. you also don't need to spend $500, $300 allen edmonds are a huge improvement.
Most of those other things cost a lot less than a car, and the house stuff tends to last a long time (while the cheaper ones tend not to) and cabinets may well increase the value of your home. Vacations are often very wasteful, I'd agree.
Surprised it took this long to come up. I doubt the quality of vaginas offered to a dude driving a BMW vs. a new Accord is better than that offered to the Accord dude dressed in nicer clothes who lives in a better apartment that he affords with the savings.
If you want some rich broad or gold digger, then you might need a nice car. Other girls don't give that much of a fuck, and they'd rather you have a nice crib, dress well, and have money to spend doing stuff instead of having lots of your disposable income tied up in a sweet whip you're obviously using to try to dog babes.
Date: February 20th, 2013 2:33 PM Author: brindle misunderstood party of the first part
You're an absolute faggot if you don't get a visceral reaction from a healthy exhaust note. On mornings when I take the GT out, I fucking LOVE how the garage has a beastly resonance from the V8.
Date: February 20th, 2013 2:40 PM Author: Ebony Ceo Electric Furnace
It's simple.
Cars are one of the top reminders of your status and how you choose to live life. You can have a nice house on 6 acres and go out to eat every night of the week. You can have expensive items that you might get more immediate pleasure from, but if you get into an average car every day, you're immediately reminded that you're either held back or holding yourself back. You have mediocre finances or a frugal. You're afraid to indulge in "you."
Cars, more than almost all other things, are closely controlled by their owners and can best influence their egos.