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Date: December 24th, 2022 10:11 AM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building Shit is fascinating. I've gotten in pre-history lately and people were getting up to some shit 15,000-8,000 years ago. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45686287) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 3:20 PM Author: Orange Balding Jap I’ve wondered if there might have been interesting civilizations 20k years ago that are now completely lost to time… (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687636) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 3:21 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building I just finished the series. It makes a compelling case. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687641) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 6:15 PM Author: rose contagious field I know they say no evidence because of geological changes but we have cave paintings from then (oldest being 40k years) and even in Europe it's basically aussie abbo intelligence. Dna record also doesn't support a population significant enough to allow for advanced civilization. At 50k years we were down to 3000 breeding pairs of humans. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45688351) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:33 PM Author: Startling electric furnace presumably with a relatively low population you could have lots of entirely uncontacted peoples in colder, worse places while still having quite a few legit civilizations, I'm not a believer in anything too crazy, but how advanced could a stone age tech people get with 5k years and tons of slave labor? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695565) |
Date: December 24th, 2022 10:13 AM Author: rose contagious field Hancock is a little too kooky. But it is odd that we're basically a different species that emerged after last ice age (~13k yearsago). Something happened. I do not believe there was advanced civilization before that. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45686296) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 10:15 AM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building Have you ever read about the idea that there were advanced civilizations 200,000 years ago, but during that time all traces would have been destroyed?
He's a little kooky according to "scientists" and while he's very conclusory in some places, I can't find a thorough debunking of his claims for any of the sites he's explored and makes part of his biggest claims, much less a debunking of all of them. He seems perfectly reasonable and his main complaint is that no one in the mainstream is willing to do the research to debunk him.
More and more pre-history megaliths are being discovered all the time. |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 10:37 AM Author: slippery racy institution Most of the science is a self-serving consensus cartel, or elites-serving, as in the case of "climate science" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45686391) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 7:19 PM Author: Sooty indian lodge It's 100% true (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45688573) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:38 PM Author: Pungent Blathering Point LOL wilbur, is there any retarded pseudoscience that you DON'T believe in? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695597) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:43 PM Author: zombie-like aphrodisiac factory reset button ladyboy "More and more pre-history megaliths are being discovered all the time."
link? 180 if true. |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:03 PM Author: boyish trailer park "Science" tells us we became anatomically modern long before we became behaviorally modern. But their estimates of when we became behaviorally modern all rest on tools that have be recovered to date. I was taught that for like 500k years we made no tools besides the hand axe, then all of a sudden we started making fish hooks and fishing nets (we don't have the nets themselves, just the "needles" that would have been used to weave them). At the same time we have megaliths that were undoubtedly built well before we supposedly became "behaviorally modern." So there's an obvious discrepancy there that isn't being explained. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45700598) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 10:13 AM Author: Swashbuckling Affirmative Action Dilemma You can tell he’s on to something when all of the establishment archaeologists are calling him a white supremacist (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45686297) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 1:24 PM Author: Magenta Wonderful Library (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687083) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:28 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695531) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:36 PM Author: Shivering razzle-dazzle stage legend (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695583) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 11:25 PM Author: twisted giraffe (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45697534) |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:14 PM Author: costumed heady parlour (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45700642) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 1:17 PM Author: Alcoholic dingle berry (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45712051) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 5:34 PM Author: Fuchsia property (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45713389) |
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Date: April 30th, 2023 5:34 PM Author: Shivering razzle-dazzle stage legend (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#46255322) |
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Date: April 30th, 2023 5:54 PM Author: buff concupiscible ape (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#46255380) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 2:08 PM Author: Startling electric furnace It’s borderline insane to think modern humans could exist for thousands of years let alone tens of thousands and not take up agriculture, it’s interesting to imagine how advanced a Stone Age civilization could get and how long it would take before there was absolutely no evidence of them (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687231) |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:07 PM Author: boyish trailer park Doesn't Jared Diamond himself admit that we can't explain how maize was domesticated as rapidly as the archaeological record suggests? I think there's a part in GG&S where he says it would have taken ~10k years to get from teosinte to maize, but that we don't have records of mesoamericans living there that long. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45700618) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 2:12 PM Author: thriller space mad cow disease fraud archaeologists btfo (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687241) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 2:22 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building He makes a very compelling case. I'm sure parts of it are wildly wrong, but there are now too many sites and too many commonalities to rule out his thesis. Many of these sites were only recently discovered or recently understood. So add 200 more years of archaeology and who knows what will seem likely. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687304) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 2:26 PM Author: arrogant hunting ground gobekli tepe is a freakopolis with only its surface scratched (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687322) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 2:32 PM Author: adventurous ruddy reading party theater stage Exactly and that site in Malta is crazy too. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687366) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 2:38 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building I'd never heard of that site or the one in Java. And the fact that they used to be connected to the mainland 20k years ago is kind of crazy. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687405) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 2:41 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building gobekli tepe just proves his point that we probably don't have any idea what happened 14,000 years ago.
It wasn't discovered until 1963 and basically added 5,000 years to the time of the oldest known significant civilization. |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:15 PM Author: nofapping peach old irish cottage coffee pot (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45700649) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 2:34 PM Author: bistre gunner menage Underwater pyramids all over the place
His JRE interview is a great followup to the show and goes more into depth on the zodiac stuff. Also Rogan is certainly not dumb. |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 2:40 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building Rogan is dumb, but his dumbness helps make his show interesting. If he was "smart" or thought he was smart he wouldn't ask as many interesting questions. He's brave enough to go, "I don't understand, explain that to me, I've never heard of that, etc."
Obviously his intelligence is above average, but he's not exactly knocking on the doors of MENSA. |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 6:10 PM Author: rose contagious field Cr (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45688330) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:09 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale Outrageous MENSA trolling. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696247) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 3:26 PM Author: hairraiser school cafeteria statistically, it's unlikely we'd have unearthed every advanced ancient civilization by now. there were likely plenty of relatively advanced civilizations that didn't achieve escape velocity and just reverted back to barbarism due to some disaster or lack of resources.
you see hints of relative advancement here and there. but there is a lot of bias because only stoneworks can survive for long. there have likely been ancient peoples who were extremely advanced in woodworking (for their time) who didn't maek it.
it is, however, exceedingly unlikely there was one really big, world-spanning civilization that was lost. |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 4:00 PM Author: slippery racy institution why is it exceedingly unlikely, not even unlikely? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687829) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 7:29 PM Author: boyish trailer park Food crops and domesticated animals would have been exchanged a lot earlier than they were for one thing. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45688597) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 7:40 PM Author: hairraiser school cafeteria you'd see far more evidence of a single civilization around the world:
1) as the poaster above mentioned, more homogeneous spreading of plants/animals
2) consistent artifacts around the world
3) consistent architecture/ruins around the world
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:37 PM Author: Startling electric furnace no you wouldn't if it was long enough ago (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695589) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:43 PM Author: Pungent Blathering Point arguing that absence of evidence is evidence is a classic retard pitfall and you are standing on the ledge (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695622) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:44 PM Author: Startling electric furnace I'm not arguing that you enormous retard, I'm arguing that absence of evidence isn't evidence of anything at all given the type of evidence we're talking about
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:06 PM Author: Pungent Blathering Point "Guys it's impossible to know one way or the other, so guys it was definitely a possibility!"
*drools* |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:10 PM Author: Startling electric furnace uhhhh, yeah that actually does hold up
but then you do have to explain tens of thousands of years of absolutely zero culture, which is kind of hard to do
"oh hey guys I know we can't find most shipwrecks from like 10 years ago but I'm absolutely pothitive that nothing ever got washed away in the enormous stretches of ocean that cover land humans definitely lived on" |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:49 PM Author: Pungent Blathering Point exactly, you want to believe this is real and use the absence of evidence to tacitly argue that it's perfectly plausible despite all other information.
"nobody can prove to me that it's false so there's a chance!" is how truly stupid people rationalize their beliefs and opinions. you're engaging with that but it's OK man, it's just a TV show that you thought was really kewl. |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 7:39 PM Author: Startling electric furnace There is no other information, that’s the point. You don’t have solid evidence of what people living in what is now the Persian gulf were doing (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696654) |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:11 PM Author: boyish trailer park Look at this shit:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0249314
Over a long enough timeline everything either erodes into the sea and/or gets covered up by layers and layers of vegetation. The sites we've uncovered to date are either located in regions where erosion was less of a factor (Egypt, anatolia, Malta) or regions where there hasn't been enough time for the jungle to TOTALLY overwhelm whatever was there. Even in Egypt, we only have archaeological remains in "upper egypt." We don't have shit from the nile delta where it flooded all the time. |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 4:14 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building That’s where I ended up. There wasn’t likely a “seed” civilization. But who knows.
And when you consider that most societies are coastal and the oceans were 400 feet lower 14,000 years ago there’s no chance we have any idea how many civilizations we have no idea about. |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 4:47 PM Author: thriller space mad cow disease "There wasn’t likely a “seed” civilization."
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hyperboreans aka nordic chads. the greeks knew this |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 4:36 PM Author: Magenta Wonderful Library Cr. China is an example of a part of the world with little stoneworking. We have very few artifacts even from the waring states period. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45687988) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 7:39 PM Author: boyish trailer park If they were building out of limestone and it was long enough ago you wouldn't expect to find much today. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45688622) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 7:48 PM Author: Iridescent lodge dragon Think about how fast we went from Norman invasions to nuclear Holocaust. Anything is possible really… (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45688639) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 4:50 PM Author: thriller space mad cow disease gorgeous
https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2021/05/the-mythical-underwater-city-of-dwarka-india-is-9500-years-old/ |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 7:34 PM Author: boyish trailer park That shit is weak. Mayan civilization was like 100x bigger than we thought just a few years ago:
https://www.livescience.com/lidar-maya-yucatan.html |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 7:37 PM Author: hairraiser school cafeteria the images looked suspicious and it turns out that article is FAKE NEWS
pics are from the underwater city of shi cheng:
https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/the-chinas-atlantis-shi-cheng-an-ancient-underwater-lost-city |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 8:37 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building Lol, Indian brejs making up advanced ancient Indian civilizations: “fuk you! We kings!” (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45688755) |
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Date: May 13th, 2023 8:13 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building It says mythical right in the headline (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#46308466) |
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Date: December 24th, 2022 7:31 PM Author: boyish trailer park I've addressed this in other threads but I can't find them. Here's one where I test people's theories about this one add aspect of our physiology:
Why did humans evolve to be able to run long distances if not persistence huntin
What it looks like happened was there was a race of superhumans who evolved in the himalayas who were later forced to move to lower elevations as the himalayas got taller. These people would have had incredible cardiovascular strength relative to the ground dwelling cousins, and either displaced them after or wiped them all out. |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:29 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale One of the coolest things I've seen in a long time. I'm sure something is going on and we don't seem interested in figuring out what it was.
The weirdest thing is that I could understand if MSM and the establishment ignored it or were just dismissive, but there has been an active campaign of suppression against this guy and this theory and it is totally bizarre. |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:30 PM Author: Startling electric furnace lizard people or space jews? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695540) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:31 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale Shit like this: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/23/ancient-apocalypse-is-the-most-dangerous-show-on-netflix
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:32 PM Author: Startling electric furnace but who is doing it? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695556) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:35 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale Idk but you see a lot of players involved saying crazy shit.
"Netflix's new series "Ancient Apocalypse" undermines trust in their work and aligns with racist ideologies."
How in the fuck was ANYTHING there remotely racist? It isn't clear that the ancient peoples were even homo sapian, let alone "white." We're talking about shit like giants moving huge stones. |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 5:01 PM Author: slippery racy institution Pavlovian association of discomfort with "racist" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695994) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:07 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696236) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:19 PM Author: Shivering razzle-dazzle stage legend (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696280) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 5:34 PM Author: Fuchsia property (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45713390) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 2:26 PM Author: bistre gunner menage Saying the brown natives didn't build the megaliths implies they're incapable, inferior. Meanwhile the more recent white Greek and Roman accomplishments remain their own. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45706853) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:27 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale The other people that built them may very well also be brown. We don't know the race of the other people.
That's because the Romans and Greeks were known for their technical prowess. No one is saying the Chinese couldn't have built the Great Wall of China. But people who were living in mud huts and had no technical skill to speak of couldn't have built intricate cities out of carved stone. Stonehenge, one of the examples of something the people of that era couldn't have built, involved white people. Basically, the attempt to inject race into this is forced. |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 2:51 PM Author: supple range they really don’t like anything that suggests out of africa theory may not be correct (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707015) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:29 PM Author: boyish trailer park TBF absolutely nothing of this sort has been found in Africa. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707596) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:32 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale Could be because those coastal developments are all 400 ft underwater. Because the people building them weren't actually from these places there's nothing to suggest they couldn't have build stuff in Africa (Latin America, Indonesia, and the Middle East aren't that radically different). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707608) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:33 PM Author: boyish trailer park They "aren't that different" except insofar as they have remains of ancient stone structures dating back thousands of years. Maybe it's more accurate to say they "aren't that different" since the most recent wave of human migrations occurred in those regions. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707621) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:37 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale But the whole point is that the natives were unlikely to have built them at that time. I mean British and French colonists built stuff in Africa too. So what?
One of the examples in the series involved Native Americans who also don't have a notable history of engineering/construction. |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:41 PM Author: boyish trailer park I mean the show is called "Ancient Apocalypse" for a reason. He thinks massive floods occurred in the Americas right along the regions that were closest to the ancient glaciers. If there was some destructive event that wiped out most of ancient American population, it wouldn't be that surprising that the people Europeans encountered in the 15th century were less advanced than their predecessors. Afghanistan was supposedly one of the richest kingdoms on earth until the Mongols got to it, now the only people left in that country are flat out retarded. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707663) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:30 PM Author: thriller space mad cow disease (((they))) know what he's talking about.
hyperborean realism is true |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:07 PM Author: Shivering razzle-dazzle stage legend (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696239) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:41 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building Calling him a white supremacist, I legitimately don't understand this claim (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696403) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:40 PM Author: animeboi (.) just lol @ contrarian retards in this thread buying into this nonsense. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695606) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:41 PM Author: out-of-control multi-colored friendly grandma personal credit line (cuck bootlicker who thinks 115 IQ mainstream archaelogists have all the answers) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695608) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:41 PM Author: Startling electric furnace so you're 100% positive that in 13,000 bc there were no people raising crops or building anything? It was just a straight continuation of the flintstones world wide? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695609) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:43 PM Author: animeboi (.) look at how much literal junk ARE 'advanced civilization' produces now, where is the literal junk produced by the prior 'advanced civilization'? (it's not there). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695626) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 3:46 PM Author: Startling electric furnace "advanced civilization" is doing a lot of work for you there, as I say above, how advanced can you get without a technological breakthrough
Assyrian stuff was completely gone for almost 3k years and at this point only barely exists, a very complex civilization doesn't need plastic or metal |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 5:03 PM Author: animeboi (.) Assyria was no more 'advanced' than the Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, etc. and there is abundant archaeological for all of these. If you are claiming that there was a pre-Ice age civilization equivalent to a bronze age near-eastern society, fine, but where are the ruins? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696001) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 5:09 PM Author: slippery racy institution 10,000 years would turn a building and everything in it, including plastics, into dust. You should understand things like this before having opinions. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696018) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 5:16 PM Author: animeboi (.) lol ok then how r there dinosaur bones from milions of years ago? Or even Gobekli Tepe which is 11,000 years old. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696034) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 5:38 PM Author: slippery racy institution Well, you said ruins, Gobekli Tepe, pyramids, etc are giant stones, I mean that something like modern US would have no ruins left to find after 10k years, other than Mount Rushmore, if there was a technological civilization such as ours before the ice age, there would not be much evidence of it left anywhere, we do not use giant stones much.
P.S. Especially if there was a nuclear war. Why are the dinosaur bones so radioactive? Maybe something like global nuclear war could have skewed the "carbon dating"? |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 5:45 PM Author: Pungent Blathering Point LOL (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696158) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 5:51 PM Author: slippery racy institution How would nuclear explosions affect "carbon dating" of the victim bones? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696176) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:40 PM Author: animeboi (.) If a skyscraper collapsed and sat for 10,000 years, all the glass and ceramic would last forever. As will much of the plastic. The steel would rust but the rust (iron oxide) would indicate the prior existence of steel. The concrete would be an obviously artificially created material. It would be entirely obvious that there was a large, non-natural building of some kind 10,000 years ago. Archaeologist base prehistorical sites on much less evidence. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696392) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 7:40 PM Author: Startling electric furnace Now put it in 100 feet of water and try to find it (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696659) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 9:33 PM Author: slippery racy institution I am going to start googling and poasting links.
1. Plastic - 500 years max to decompose
https://chariotenergy.com/blog/how-long-until-plastic-decomposes/
2. Modern concrete - hundreds of years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_degradation
Glass would just get shattered as building collapse.
Then, if we are talking about the areas affected by the Ace Age, you get tons of glacier ice on top, I don't see how anything resembling ruins can remain after that.
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:22 PM Author: boyish trailer park Push the timeline back far enough and you would expect virtually all of it to be submerged deep in the earth or eroded into the sea. There are very few places on earth where anything gets preserved for any length of time. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45700690) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:49 PM Author: boyish trailer park Look at how much of our junk already ends up in the sea and consider that sea levels were much lower in earlier epochs. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707391) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 8:08 PM Author: hairraiser school cafeteria i think it's possible, maybe even likely that at 13,000 bc there was some level of building or farming. but i don't think it was world spanning. maybe a small fluke civilzation sprouting up there and there. back then technology only gave you a minor advantage in warfare so a much more advanced civ could easily succumb to barbarians (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696779) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:30 PM Author: Sapphire Charismatic Sanctuary (MAF archaeologist who wears flannels everyday) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707601) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:04 PM Author: bronze bawdyhouse Haven't watched but find it hard to credit Hancock given that he started as a Chariots of the Gods bandwagon-jumper and his shaky understanding of radiocarbon dating. I am a fan of alternative archeology, though; the field has gone very shitlib. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695703) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:07 PM Author: Startling electric furnace he's absolutely a nutter with a strong tendency to jump to the most outlandish conclusion he can, but as a critic of the established narrative he makes all kids of decent points re gaping holes in our current understanding and the entire history of archeology being basically "oh damn, we never saw that before" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695718) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:08 PM Author: bronze bawdyhouse Sounds fair. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695720) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:11 PM Author: thriller space mad cow disease its just a hilarious watch, not science. every episode filming some cool location and shitting on bigarchaeology and you can just imagine how maf those dorks are he gets a netflix show (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695739) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:13 PM Author: bronze bawdyhouse (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695744) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 5:41 PM Author: out-of-control multi-colored friendly grandma personal credit line it actually is science though...just not the shitlib variety (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696136) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:51 PM Author: boyish trailer park cr. He's putting forth hypotheses that explain hiterto unexplained phenomena. Anyone calling him a fraud needs to explain how he's bullshitting us or put up a better theory.
Character assassination isn't effective because it's exactly the "far out" thinkers who usually come up with the most important discoveries. You could dismiss Isaac Newton based on his obsession with Rosicrucianism, but you'd be a fool to do that. |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:11 PM Author: Pungent Blathering Point it's entertainment, not scholarship. white nationalistmos like it because it loosely lines up with the aryan superman stuff. it's not news to anyone in academia that there are unexplained structures and unknown cultures. we know jack shit about relatively recent 'ancient' cultures. trying to make some hay out of those facts is why it's retarded but fun to watch for the youtube scholar set. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695735) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:12 PM Author: Startling electric furnace trying to be specific is retarded, yes, but denying that there was very probably something is equally so (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695742) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:52 PM Author: Pungent Blathering Point It has always been known that there are lost cultures and shit we don't know about. Nobody in even the most conservative wings of academia denies this. Acting like it's a revelation of some sort is part of the prole mouth-breathing appeal of these shows. The thrilling mystery they never wanted you to know about!
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:54 PM Author: bronze bawdyhouse Oh, I see. You're one of "them". (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695984) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 7:37 PM Author: Startling electric furnace They actually say they know when man first settled into cities of any sort, you enormous retard (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696640) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 7:39 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale Quick, better call him a white supremacist and suppress the show and the journalist at the center of it! That will restore confidence in academia! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696649) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:12 PM Author: thriller space mad cow disease fucking lost it laughing when he was banned from that one site.
petty clitdick libs apoplectic |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 10:48 PM Author: boyish trailer park Americans come off looking more stubborn than Muslims in this series. First that Louisiana fatass shits all over his theory that these ancient structures has astronomical meaning, the the Ohio authorities won't even let him film at snake mound. Meanwhile Turks and Indonesians happily indulge his theories. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45709594) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 4:13 PM Author: bronze bawdyhouse Ah, I see. Lol ty (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45695745) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:08 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale "white nationalistmos like it because it loosely lines up with the aryan superman stuff"
So is there some theory that the ancients were Aryans travelling the world and spreading civilization or something? |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:44 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building He's being called a white supremacist (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696418) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 7:36 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale And no one has ever explained that. It was so crazy that I'm still trying to create a theory that could even align with white supremacy here. I guess it would require that the ancient civilization was Aryan or something? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696637) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 8:17 PM Author: thriller space mad cow disease it was pure nordic chad.
ask the ancient greeks. apollo was a blonde god who kicked it with the hyperboreans
indo-americans immediately recognized white men as their god returning. because quetzalcoatl was huwhite, bearded and told them he'd be back. |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 10:20 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl
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Date: December 26th, 2022 10:32 PM Author: thriller space mad cow disease what do they teach you people in school these days?
https://www.pbs.org/conquistadors/cortes/cortes_d03.html#:~:text=An%20unnerving%20series%20of%20coincidences,knowledge%2C%20arts%2C%20and%20religion. |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:18 PM Author: boyish trailer park He was a very Jesus-like figure. Literally. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45700662) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 9:31 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building It's beyond comprehension. The only way I can even begin to understand it is if somehow he believes this ancient civilization from 15k years ago was "white", a term that didn't have purchase until 500 years ago at the earliest. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45697064) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 10:22 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale Exactly. It requires a very specific theory that was never suggested. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45697243) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:16 PM Author: outnumbered vibrant plaza codepig I watched the whole thing.
One of his main theses is that there was a horrible comet event that might have led to the ice age (younger dryas) and that afterwards and before, people created monuments to watch the stars for future comets and prepared underground living quarters in case it happened again. These "comets" were represented by snake-like figures in the monuments.
I'm not sure I agree that people were using snake-like figures to describe comets, but I do find it very eerie that there are so many snake-like figures and myths of people coming out of the sea to spread knowledge about farming, technology, etc.
It also aligns with the biblical story of adam and eve in Genesis (where a snake tricked them into eating of the tree of good and evil, which could represent technology). It's starting to appear more supernatural that so many myths held by societies have snake-like figures teaching old civilizations about how to do things and then a great flood destroying everything.
There are a lot of things missing -- like you'd think there would be way more dominant structures or some cohesive evidence that something like a comet strike happened or that supernatural snake-like people traveled the world to share knowledge about how to succeed as a society. But it doesn't feel fulfilling as an explanation to the question of why so many myths aligned in this way and that there is so much similar symbology around the world during times in which people couldn't travel the world easily. |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:21 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale "It also aligns with the biblical story of adam and eve in Genesis (where a snake tricked them into eating of the tree of good and evil, which could represent technology)"
I thought of the very same thing here. The entire story of Adam and Eve, where they lived in a "paradise" until the snake convinced them to eat from the tree of knowledge, may have coincided with the people coming to spread technology and then environmental collapse happened (not as a result, but that's not how ancient humans thought).
However, note that the snake imagery doesn't necessarily denote evil. In Western mythology snakes are bad but that isn't universally true. |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 10:57 PM Author: outnumbered vibrant plaza codepig True -- but I think the theory would be that if satan introduced technology and general advancement to people before they were evolutionarily ready, it might result in the problems we're having now (massive warfare, nuclear Armageddon, etc.). It could be plausible that we were separated and set back from a great flood as judgment since we were on a bad path and not ready for the technological advancements provided. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45697375) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 6:46 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building The two biggest things hurting his theory are that: 1) Ancient people also lived by coasts and water was 400 feet lower back then, so those ruins are not accessible, and 2) only stone or earth megalithic structures would survive, which is likely the hardest type of megalithic structure to build.
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Date: December 26th, 2022 7:35 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale 1 doesn't really hurt it, it just means many wouldn't be found. This was explicitly stated, in fact.
2 doesn't really hurt it either, it just makes the work harder. For that matter, those stone T columns probably supported heavy weights (that's why we use them today). So while the series assumes they were out in the open that actually makes no sense. It is just that anything built on top wouldn't survive thousands of years, but the stones did. |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 9:32 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building No, I agree. But from a lack of evidence standpoint, this is what his critics have. The 400 foot ocean rise alone should suggest there are thousands of societies we have no idea about. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45697070) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 10:17 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale Sure, and that's a fair comment. That's not the comment from the academic community. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45697227) |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:20 PM Author: boyish trailer park Yeah, based on what we know that we would expect the most advanced societies to live along coastlines. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45700677) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 7:08 PM Author: boyish trailer park I'm on episode 2 and everything he's saying about Mexico is totally legit. I've taken a deep dives into Mexican prehistory multiple times for over 20 years and visited some of the same sites this dood visits, and it's painfully obvious to me we know less than 1% of what happened before Spain showed up. We didn't even know the Olmecs had writing until recently. I'm so sick of being the only person I know who knows about (or cares about) Cholula. Egypt gets all the attention from scholars. Hardly ANY scholarship is devoted to prehistoric Mexico because it's too hard for Americans to get into and modern Mexicans are too Catholic to give a fuck. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45696512) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 9:33 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building the olmecs had electricity (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45697079) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 10:05 PM Author: slippery racy institution Just wait for the North American Napoleon. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45697166) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 10:34 PM Author: Brass Resort Philosopher-king i love latina women (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45697283) |
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Date: December 26th, 2022 11:00 PM Author: outnumbered vibrant plaza codepig I like the theory that the Olmecs actually came out of Egypt on boats and continued to spread their pyramid technology (which is why there are so many common symbols, including the ankh).
As far as what happened to the Olmecs, it seems likely they were overrun by the Mayans or another culture. |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:40 PM Author: boyish trailer park Some of the figures they carved seem to show semitic features. I didn't want to believe it but I went to the national anthropology museum in Mexico and saw it with my own eyes.
https://imgur.com/a/oUomaiY |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 1:15 PM Author: boyish trailer park Oh and FUCK my UG prof for dismissing the Olmecs as proto-Mayans who just carved some big heads and then disappeared. Pre-mayan architecture is too goddamn advanced for any precursors to the Mayans to be dismissed as anything. The only reason we can say Mayan civilization was bigger/more advanced than any precursor civilization is because there simply wasn't enough limestone for anyone else to use for construction on that scale. It looks like the Maya actually exhausted the limestone supply, like bronze age civs exhausting tin mines. A comparably sized civilization could have left behind stone structures that were later consumed by the environment, but I don't think they could have used limestone and I don't know what other sources of stone were sufficiently abundant 12k years ago. Olmec carvings are also too varied and intricate to be created by a bunch of blockheads. "The wrestler" probably isn't a wrestler but more likely some sort of magician/priest in some sort of trance like state. It's a really moving sculpture to behold in person.
This also gets back to my comment about quarries. Like the Egyptians, we can find the actual quarries Mayans used to build their shit. As this series illustrates in episode 1, geologists are already quite adept at determining where certain stone materials were sourced, so unless the quarries are now submerged (or perhaps even if they are submerged) it should be possible to get at least a rough idea of where to look for the quarries used to build some of these works. In general I'm disappointed with the lack of attention given to this topic in this series, because geology can often assist us in dating these structures through chemical analysis. Even if the stone is old as fuck, we can sometimes tell how long ago it was cut by analyzing stuff in the local environment that tends to accumulate on the surface once the stone is cut or becomes exposed to the open air. We can also look at surface of the cuts to try to figure out what was used to cut it. There may be trace residue from the cutting material or microscopic features that give us clues. |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 1:56 PM Author: boyish trailer park LMAO this guy is 180. What he's saying about the earth's wobble affecting the position of the sun and stars relative to earth is 100% legit and is well known to people who study ancient Mexico. There are some Mayan structures that don't quite "work" as intended today for exactly that same reason. As soon as he mentioned these temples in Malta being out of alignment with the stars I started shouting in my head "bbbut the earth's wobble..." and then a few minutes later that's exactly where he went.
This really does beg for further investigation. I don't know if he's right about snakes and "giants" or whatever, but he's absolutely right that archaeologists need to get off their asses and take a hard look at this stuff.
I'll add that the lack of tools is a big wtf, because it's not like we lack tools from that era. We have hand axes, spearheads and arrowheads from that era, so we actually have a fuckload of tools, just not tools we associate with this kind of stoneworking anywhere except Egypt. Also, that old Turkish map showing an island off the coast of Florida, and maps tracing the ice age shape of antarctica, suggests that ancient people were writing things down, making maps, etc. wayyyyyy the fuck back before we have any record of that technology existing.
Fuck anyone who rips on this guy. He's doing good journalism, putting forth bold hypotheses, and hopefully forcing archaeologists to do their goddamn jobs. If this guy is full of shit they ought to be able to explain why. |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:21 PM Author: rebellious address sandwich (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45700682) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 12:42 PM Author: bistre gunner menage Ancient giants used to be common knowledge. Lincoln mentioned them in his speech at Niagara.
Newspapers of the 19th century had all kinds of pictures and stories about excavations of giants. You can still find some of them in South American museums, but the North American giants have been wiped from official history. |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 1:49 PM Author: boyish trailer park Could this also explain why we have the ability to run long distances at sea level? The conventional explanation is persistence hunting, but there are a lot of reasons to think that's bullshit. Giants would have needed the ability to take in large volumes of oxygen just to walk around at normal speed. Maybe we shrank over time or interbred with them but retained some of that ability due to selection pressure.
It's also possible the "giants" we're just normal people who ate a healthy diet when they were young. Koreans have gotten taller since the 50s as they now get better nutrition as kids. In particular they get more calcium now. |
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Date: December 27th, 2022 2:29 PM Author: Laughsome Gaping Party Of The First Part This guy has a pretty good rebuttal. https://youtu.be/lK2JM_nlkbM
Hancock is very entertaining, but he takes too many leaps. He points to some new discovery like Goblecki tepli, then says "see, they got this wrong" and goes off on crazy theories based on circumstantial evidence. His work is clearly written for mass entertainment and he has wild theories about secret knowledge in psychedelics. |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 2:20 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building Gobekli Teppe single-handedly added 5k years to the oldest know advanced civilization. Archaeologists were completely blown the fuck up. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45706823) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 2:21 PM Author: animeboi (.) it wasn't a civilization, it was a cult site used by hunter gatherers. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45706830) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:39 PM Author: Startling electric furnace less than 5% excavated and so far it looks like a massive undertaking in terms of moving both earth and stone, pretty much every city started with a cult that was collecting food and it looks a lot like that, plus it's a long as way from the places you'd expect larger populations to live (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707359) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:42 PM Author: boyish trailer park A lot of our "undertanding" about how civilizations formed comes from 17th century European philosophy, not the archaeological record. The earliest written records we have indicate people already had well developed legal regimes, because most of it is the ancient equivalent of receipts and land deeds. We haven't found an epoch in history where we can say with any certainty that anatomically modern humans were wholly uncivilized, we just assume that such a time existed. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707365) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:44 PM Author: Startling electric furnace those records are still 3k years younger than the cities we know about, and they all had a cult deity and a priest class that ran things to start with (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707371) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:45 PM Author: boyish trailer park Yeah and one of the points this dood makes in this series is that settlement/civilization may have preceded agriculture, not the other way around. I'm a Gobekli Tepe skeptic but I see evidence of this other academic realms, particularly in the Americas. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707377) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:49 PM Author: Startling electric furnace to some degree, but I think the better point is that our arbitrary assumptions as to when agriculture and settlement began is based on simply not having archeological evidence for an enormous percentage of human existence
no world spanning flying atlanteans existed, but we already know of a bunch of civilizations that were highly advanced, lasted thousands of years, and technologically only had a little metalworking knowledge beyond what any group 10k years before them could have easily had access to |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:31 PM Author: boyish trailer park We also know Africans lived as hunter gatherers for millenia without building jack shit, and I think a lot of the "das racist" criticism of this dood is that we're told to assume Africans are not actually dumber than other people living on any other continent. If Africans are just as smart as everyone else, and they never built shit until recently, it stands to reason that no one else could have built anything that long ago either. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707605) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:35 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale But the point is that none of the peoples in question built anything at that particular point in time either. So why would Africa be significant here? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707631) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:50 PM Author: boyish trailer park No the point is that non-Africans DID build amazing megalithic structures at various times throughout history, but as far as anyone can tell Africans never did. No one has ever found jack shit in Africa, whereas someone definitely built some impressive pyramids and other massive structures in ancient mesoamerica. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707714) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 3:45 PM Author: Provocative Slate Abode Candlestick Maker Not to mention that there are dozens of these hills around the area that haven't even been excavated yet. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707375) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:33 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale The other issue is that it isn't as simple as just moving dirt. The whole point is to make sure you aren't destroying artifacts, so every move must be done carefully to make sure you aren't disturbing something of value. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707618) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:39 PM Author: boyish trailer park It doesn't seem like it should be THAT hard to figure out how some of these structures were built. In egypt we can find quarries where the stone was dug out to create ancient monuments, and we can tell how it was dug out and carved, and we can even find examples of monuments they fucked up. Like this obelisk that cracked while it was being created:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfinished_obelisk |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:42 PM Author: Chartreuse vivacious locale Except you're talking about the difference between a few thousand and 10-12k+ thousand years. The climates are also helpful in the ME vs. many of these places. You can find stuff from wars going back 50+ years in the ME nicely preserved because of the dry climate. In a place like Indonesia that isn't going to happen. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707666) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 4:51 PM Author: boyish trailer park If the stones at Gobekli Tepe are so well preserved why wouldn't the quarries also be preserved? I can see tools being rare for a lot of reasons - for one thing they may not have been made of stone - but the quarries were undoubtedly made of stone. Maybe the quarries around Malta got submerged but Gobekli Tepw isn't near the sea. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45707720) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 6:16 PM Author: adventurous ruddy reading party theater stage Great subthread and scholarship.
The idea that GT was just a seasonal gathering place for hunter gatherers has always struck me as cope from archaeologists who are trying to shoehorn something that is paradigm shifting into their preexisting worldview. I think ten years from now the consensus will be different. |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 6:17 PM Author: Startling electric furnace they're going to find a couple thousand years worth of layers (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45708185) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 6:20 PM Author: adventurous ruddy reading party theater stage Yea and the density of potential sites in that area make it pretty clear something much more akin to civilization was happening in that part of Turkey. Wouldn’t be surprised if it all began there and those folks migrated or exported their learnings to Egypt, Fertile Crescent, and Indus Valley. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45708200) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 6:21 PM Author: Startling electric furnace nah, they had refugees from a civilization wiped out in the flooding and are the first attempt at a restart (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45708208) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 1:45 PM Author: Provocative Slate Abode Candlestick Maker That's just a guess, but we really don't know that. Honestly wish they'd excavate the entire site to get a better understanding as to what's going on (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45712178) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 1:52 PM Author: boyish trailer park It seems no further excavation is being done because there is no "they" who can even do it. We have a billion egyptologists across the world but hardly anyone with the proper training to dig up ancient sites like this. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45712213) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 10:42 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building But they were civilized. Art, astronomy, architecture - that's an advanced civilization. There were bosses and some of those dudes wagecucked. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45709573) |
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Date: December 28th, 2022 10:54 PM Author: boyish trailer park One thing that always occurs to me when I read about this shit is that anything that old was probably looted and vandalized 800 times before it got buried in sand or eaten by the jungle. It would actually be shocking if we found an ancient cache of tools from 12k years ago. Ancient Egyptians were already looting royal tombs in ancient times and successive dynasties kept coming up with ways to keep them out, eventually burying mummies up inside little grottos inside cliffs that were nearly impossible to reach. King Tut was a big deal mostly because we found his tomb undisturbed, not because he was anything special as a pharaoh. Also as the dood points out, there were so many wars in some of these places that old structures would have been occupied by armies and possibly wrecked by then. If you go to Hue you can tour the remains of an ancient palace that Americans blew to bits after the Tet Offensive. There's hardly anything there, just piles of rubble, and that all happened during one battle on one war. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45709613) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 5:33 PM Author: Fuchsia property (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45713386) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 1:31 PM Author: boyish trailer park Hey libs, it looks like maybe we DID find tools at Gobekli Tepe and it looks like maybe they were doing some sort of agriculture there, unless you think hunter gatherers were gathering large volumes of whatever grains these tools were used to process:
"Using a combination of use-wear studies, experimental archaeology, and microscopy, Dietrich analyzed the way in which the stones had been worn down over time and showed that they had been used to process grains and legumes. She identified chemical residues on many of the vessels that provided evidence they had been used to cook vats of porridge or perhaps the occasional batch of prehistoric beer. “Most probably,” Dietrich says, “these people were cultivators, or at least had strategies to gather large quantities of wild grain.”
https://www.archaeology.org/issues/422-2105/sidebars/9715-gobekli-tepe-tools
JFC imagine being sophisticated enough to gather enough wild grain to make beer, and having the technology and the labor to carve these stone structures, but never thinking to farm the grain or do any sort of selective breeding. And why is this one German bitch doing all the work here by herself? Why did these tools get ignored for 20 years before she started analyzing them? If this bitch had chosen even a slightly different career path we would know NOTHING about any of this because libs are apparently too busy screaming "das racist" to do any actual science. What the fuck, libs? Why do we have thousands of researchers across all the natural sciences trying to prove global warming is real but only ONE who is studying any of this?
https://www.oeaw.ac.at/en/oeai/institute/team/person/laura-dietrich |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 3:09 PM Author: boyish trailer park A professional archaeologist DEBUNKS Hancock:
I got the link from here:
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/ancient-apocalypse-how-seo-is-helping-archaeologists-debunk-conspiracy-theories/474275/ |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 3:23 PM Author: Ebony Exhilarant Headpube Church Building It's not a debunking. Some of the links in the video info are interesting. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45712716) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 4:22 PM Author: Provocative Slate Abode Candlestick Maker oh what a debunking! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5258361&forum_id=2#45713039) |
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Date: December 29th, 2022 3:15 PM Author: thriller space mad cow disease https://twitter.com/Truthyfren/status/1608369031349952512
take the hyperborean pill |
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Date: February 3rd, 2023 12:45 PM Author: boyish trailer park Most knowledge of astronomy used by recent people did not leave such durable traces as Stonehenge. But such knowledge could be crucial to their ways of life.
Consider all the peoples who have relied upon the stars for navigation. In their eyes the stars are more than points of light, they are a map leading to every corner of the Earth. The constellations are signs that people connect to stories, and learning those stories teaches their children the ways to derive time and position from the sky. For the peoples of the Pacific, such astronomical signs were part of a broader system of meteorological signs: winds, clouds, wave motions and animals all contributed to their navigational knowledge. The stars, ocean, and Earth were one connected system.
It is the human ability to recognize signs that enables us to see such connections. That ability goes very far back into our evolution. Early hunters' success or failure depended on their ability to read the trackways left by their prey animals. Those signs were as much a part of their landscapes as the stars. The tracks also appeared and disappeared, indications of the passing of animals and time.
Hunting and foraging peoples have recognized the same trackways among the stars. Many have recognized hunters, prey, tracks, and weapons among the constellations. They have recognized stars that are high during the birth seasons or migration seasons of animals.
Ancient African peoples, Neandertals, even populations going back hundreds of thousands of years made marks on objects. Those marks were made by sign-users. The ancient hominins who could make and use signs would have seen signs in the stars. I think we can be sure that the signs in the sky were apparent to some of the earliest members of our genus, Homo.
The deepest signs in the sky are those that connect to human social realities. None have been more significant to cultures around the world than cycles of fertility. And no astronomical observation is more striking than the moon.
Some peoples have seen the moon as the cause of menstruation, others imagined a deep connection between the moon and the feminine way of being. Nearly all have recognized the coincidence in timing between the lunar cycle and the average menstrual cycle.
Could this have been true in the past? Some anthropologists think that the early use of red mineral pigments was a part of rituals that were symbolic representations of menstruation. Evidence of such pigment use goes back as far in many parts of the world as evidence of markings. Those markings themselves, sometimes etched sequences of lines on pieces of bone, look in many cases like counts of some kind. Some suspect that they were lunar counts.
We do not know whether the ovulatory timing of ancient human relatives was similar to our own. It may have been different: Cycles in chimpanzees and bonobos are variable and longer on average than the average human cycle. Different humans have menstrual cycles that vary in length, so that the apparent synchronicity of the average and the lunar cycle holds true only for some, and only for a limited time.
Yet somehow that lack of consistency has not dimmed people's concepts of a connection between the moon and menstruation. Signs have a power over our minds. Once a connection is seen, or imagined, our thoughts tend to warp to fit it.
Thus amid the powers that shape the Earth, seen and unseen, our ancestors looked up to the unchanging stars. And when the sky changed, they noticed.
https://johnhawks.net/weblog/when-did-our-ancestors-start-looking-up-to-the-stars/ |
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