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Mind Uploading tech will be here in the 2040s
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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:08 PM Author: Trip indirect expression hospital Raymond Kurzweil said so. He's a really smart guy. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074292) |
Date: August 17th, 2026 8:09 PM Author: doobsian stirring space Retarded prediction because the brain is more like a receiver of consciousness and it does not contain your actual consciousness. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074293) |
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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:11 PM Author: Trip indirect expression hospital big if true (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074296) |
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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:13 PM Author: doobsian stirring space It is true. The mechanism of action is not established at all, but the general framing is accurate. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074302) |
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Date: August 18th, 2026 2:41 AM Author: Trip indirect expression hospital How well does this one work with empirical evidence? I suppose with something like brain damage you can say "Sure, damage the receiver, and the signal comes through incorrectly." and that rescues it from being strictly logically disproved. I think pharmacology examples make it much harder to sustain with this type of response though. Are the biochemical processes that change from the drugs just changing how the receiver receives consciousness? Seems kind of silly to say that if the resulting experience is already being systematically controlled by mechanisms inside the nervous system. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074970) |
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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:16 PM Author: Metaphysics Is Solved (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074398) |
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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:13 PM Author: it's all so judaic Wow (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074392) |
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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:16 PM Author: Metaphysics Is Solved got DAMN i love boomer physics (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074399) |
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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:15 PM Author: Black stag film unlikely copying a human mind will ever be possible (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074395) |
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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:16 PM Author: Metaphysics Is Solved (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074396) |
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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:17 PM Author: it's all so judaic (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074404) |
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Date: August 17th, 2026 10:30 PM Author: Trip indirect expression hospital Raymond Kurzweil says it's possible. He's a very smart guy. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074550) |
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Date: August 18th, 2026 1:52 AM Author: Khaki kitty cat blood rage the mind is not a digital object that can be uploaded. Fredkin's digital physics is the most discredited thing of all time, even Stephen Wolfram abandoned it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074927) |
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Date: August 18th, 2026 2:15 AM Author: Trip indirect expression hospital No. Uploading requires substrate independence of mind, not digital ontology of the universe. A continuous/non-digital physical system can still instantiate dynamics that are computationally emulable. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074945) |
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Date: August 18th, 2026 2:20 AM Author: Khaki kitty cat blood rage it can, but only transitorily or contingently.
substrate independence is a fact that applies to software, which mind is not. |
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Date: August 18th, 2026 2:33 AM Author: Trip indirect expression hospital Substrate independence isn't something that applies only to software. It’s about whether a pattern of causal organization can be realized in more than one physical medium. I don't think the mind is software. The mind is a physical process instantiated by the brain. Nevertheless, another physical system could instantiate sufficiently similar causal dynamics to realize the same or an equivalent mental process. I don't think a fully faithful human upload is coming by the 2040s, I think it is plausible something that get's called uploading will be here by then, but not full emulation. I was making fun of the idea that it will definitely be here by then. But I don't think the overall idea of uploading is impossible in principle. We'll see though. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074964) |
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Date: August 18th, 2026 2:51 AM Author: Khaki kitty cat blood rage "Nevertheless, another physical system could instantiate sufficiently similar causal dynamics to realize the same or an equivalent mental process."
if it could, it would have nothing to do with digital systems. furthermore, you wouldn't be able to actually copy an existing mind to such a platform but only "induce" a roughly-comparable one.
digital systems are all yin and no yang, that's why they can't hold a mind. |
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Date: August 18th, 2026 3:03 AM Author: Trip indirect expression hospital Mind is a physical dynamical process. If the causal features constitutive of that process can be instantiated by another physical system, then that system can instantiate a mind. Whether digital hardware is capable of doing so is a separate question. Digital computation is an abstraction implemented by physical processes, so the digitalness of the computation doesn't rule it out on its own. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074981) |
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Date: August 18th, 2026 3:01 AM Author: Adventurous institution Me wanna fuck fake digital girls inside serve all day for eternity. Will be awesome. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894235&forum_id=2#50074980) |