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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:02 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I have only stumbled upon this site very recently and I'm simultaneously wincing and laughing hysterically about my alma mater. I graduated from Cooley. I have passed two bar exams. I am employed as a lawyer. However, I am also a few things that many of you bemoan. My undergrad GPA and LSAT were quite low. My class rank was 171/228. Anyway, here I am taking questions and undoubtedly about to take more than a few shots. If you want to know what Cooley is REALLY like, and why someone would go there, here's your chance. Fire away. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12127938) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:04 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault 1) how did u get ur first job?
2) how's ur debt situation? did u get an honors scholarship?
3) what percent of ppl who started with u wound up with a JD and a job three years later? |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:10 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven 1) Alumni job bulletin. I answered an ad and I had a good interview. 2) Bad, real bad. However, public interest job in a rural area, dirt cheap to live in, lots of LRAP. No Honors Scholarship. 3) Less than half. My starting class was particularly bad as almost half washed out within three terms. Others washed out after that. Subsequent starting classes have done much better. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:11 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault is that school LRAP, or something else? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128021) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:13 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Employer and LSC. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128039) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:14 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault r u a PD, or civil? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128051) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:20 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Civil... overwhelmingly amount of family law and I actually enjoy it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128092) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:14 PM Author: Galvanic Home Striped Hyena misuse of adverb lends credence to your story (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128512) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:26 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Yeah, I misused an adverb. So sorry. I also misspell and dangle the odd participle. I'm posting -- not proofreading, okay? Meanwhile, 2+2=4, right? Fifty states, yes? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128615) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:27 PM Author: Galvanic Home Striped Hyena Sorry, that was dickish of me. I'm really glad things are working out for you. I go to an oft-mocked T2 myself and have an inferiority complex. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128624) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:42 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Not offended -- merely took it as good-natured ribbing. Also, not only can I can be a dick, but a megaprick if I set my mind to it. If I could have been accepted to a T2, T3 or even a better T4, I would have gone there instead. Cooley was my best (only) option and I took advantage of it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128746) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:46 PM Author: Galvanic Home Striped Hyena I think that's credited. It sounds like you're alright with where you're at now, and that's what matters. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128770) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:45 AM Author: Orange Azn Coffee Pot LOL at this retard idiot. YFWGI. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054646) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 6:59 PM Author: rebellious razzle-dazzle church How does the LRAP thing work? For example, you apply for a year, right, and then they give you a loan and discharge it at the end of the year? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12157699) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 7:13 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Both are based on whether I have outstanding loans and how much I actually owe. I had to apply for both. Employer LRAP is dished out monthly with no strings attached. LSC LRAP is one annual check and I have to stay at my job for an entire year (Oct. 1 -Sept. 30) or I owe it back to them. I will only get LSC LRAP for three years, but it will pay off my private loans. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12157804) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:12 PM Author: cheese-eating lascivious den chad 200k in debt doing public interest work in southern canada haha killself (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128028) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:16 AM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Less than 200K... Less than 150K... More than 100K... I will not elaborate further. Living in the States -- not a hoser. Will not killself -- no need or desire to do so. I'm either doing okay or I'm too oblivious to know any better. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131141) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:54 PM Author: cruel-hearted stag film shitlib how could you have possibly thought $120k to go to Cooley was reasonable? you're an idiot (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12153269) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:01 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Even before the LRAP kicked in, I was on pace to pay off my loans in ten years. I have a job I like. I live in place I truly like. I have a great girlfriend and I never would have met her unless I became a lawyer and moved here. I couldn't be happier. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12153293) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:15 PM Author: cruel-hearted stag film shitlib yeah I'm just trolling. if you're happy, that's cool. but Cooley is part of the law school racket and I hope your LRAP isn't paid by tax dollars (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12153328) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:44 PM Author: bipolar halford 2) how is it bad? under ibr all you have to pay is 15% of "discretionary income" toward it, and with public interest it'll be discharged after a decade anyway. how is the number significant? did you take out private loans, and if so, why? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128762) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:29 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven IBR is a godsend and the public interest debt forgiveness may very likely keep me here for ten years. However, I'm still looking at a big payoff amount when my student loan bill arrives each month. Some of my LRAP will expire and I'm always worried about future funding. Yes, I took out private loans because I wanted to eat, have a place to live, buy a beer or two once in a while, go out on a date, etc. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129179) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:06 PM Author: sooty hall FLAME
XOXO is boring and predictable this afternoon |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:10 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Not a flame. Not sure how to prove it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128009) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:11 PM Author: Comical step-uncle's house jap SCAN your diploma and poast it (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128018) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:15 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven No fucking way in hell am I scanning and posting my diploma. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128054) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:15 PM Author: Comical step-uncle's house jap YOU CAN BLACK OUT YOUR NAME
if you want to poast on xoxo you have to play HARDBALL
edit: the kid who lives in his mom's basement posted a picture of his ERECT PENIS with xoxohth written on it, you can post your diploma |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:30 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Cooley diplomas are huge. They are 17x22 inches, very much in line with our promotional motto of "Bigger is Better." The one I have is in a frame on my office wall so I can't scan it. HOWEVER, I will black out my name and post the last page from my TRANSCRIPT. Will this suffice? Sorry, no penis pictures. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128173) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:34 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy chestnut athletic conference dilemma don't do this brah, unless you know how to wipe meta data. this site is vicious. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128205) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:35 PM Author: vigorous national If he uploads it to imageshack the meta data is wiped. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128210) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:37 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy chestnut athletic conference dilemma im just telling him not to fuck it up. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128222) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:36 PM Author: fantasy-prone circlehead orchestra pit that's an expensive piece of toilet paper! should be even bigger (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128220) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:38 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Ouch. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128246) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:03 AM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven http://yfrog.com/5jtranscriptbj (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129413) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:13 AM Author: fragrant stock car theater He's real (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131704) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:18 PM Author: Comical step-uncle's house jap you are awesome
glad things are going well for you |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:13 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault 4) is it true about the C curve? cutoff for schollies is 2.0, right, but isn't that also the median?
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:16 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven The curve is brutal. I'm not sure about what it took to maintain a merit scholarship -- I was never faced with that. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128069) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:21 PM Author: fantasy-prone circlehead orchestra pit do you wake up at night in cold sweats regretting your decision to enslave yourself to so much debt to attend that toilet? do you here TTT echoes everywhere you go? |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:24 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault hey, at least he HAS A FUCKING JOB. and with LRAP, sounds like he's not starving to death. he's doing better than 95% of the "T1" grads who will be on the corner begging for doc review and ID shitlaw in a couple months. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128121) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:26 PM Author: cheese-eating lascivious den chad LOL (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128141) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:30 PM Author: fantasy-prone circlehead orchestra pit yes, I will build a soup kitchen to feed them when I start biglaw this fall (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128165) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:55 AM Author: bistre hunting ground To be fair,
Vandy is for T14 rejects and is thus only a little bit better than Cooley. Count your lucky stars you got biglaw, bro. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:40 PM Author: bronze racy indian lodge Earl is already streetwalking on Santa Monica Blvd. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128258) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:44 PM Author: fantasy-prone circlehead orchestra pit tell Earl to come east, I need a gardener (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128295) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:34 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Cold sweats? No. Regrets? No. I might have answered that question differently 3-4 years ago. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128197) |
Date: June 30th, 2009 9:03 PM Author: Titillating ticket booth will top 50% get biglaw? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12127952) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:13 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Very few got what would barely pass for big law, if Detroit can be considered big law. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128034) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:05 PM Author: exhilarant rusted kitty library Which campus were you at? If you don't answer in one minute I'll know you're flame. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12127973) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:07 PM Author: exhilarant rusted kitty library Too bad. I like your name and wanted this to be true.... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12127984) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:09 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault MOAR ULTIMATUMS (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12127999) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:10 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault tcq. this is relevant to my interests. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128006) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:11 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Lansing. GR and Oakland didn't exist when I started. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128020) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:14 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault wut's ur opinion of the AA campus? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128042) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:18 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I'm not a fan of GR, Oak, A2 campuses. Cooley's reputation is bad enough and we don't need to be the DeVry of law schools. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128082) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:21 PM Author: cheese-eating lascivious den chad Whats with the Devry hate? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128103) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:38 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Point taken. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128241) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:06 PM Author: cheese-eating lascivious den chad I'll refrain from even taking shots (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12127976) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:11 PM Author: fantasy-prone circlehead orchestra pit 142 flame (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128017) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:14 PM Author: crystalline appetizing meetinghouse Alinea here we come! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128041) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:31 PM Author: lurid anal narrative EXPLAIN (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12153178) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:22 PM Author: sooty hall ug gpa?
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:07 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven 2.5 gpa from a Cal State. I worked full-time for the entire time I that was an undergrad. LSAT was 146. I never did too well on standardized tests (26 ACT) and I did not study for it very much. However, by the time I finished Cooley, and then following the BarBri paced program to a tee, I did get a 148 on the MBE. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128462) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:08 PM Author: green school haha CSU to cooley...nice (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128468) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:27 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven And yet I'm not ashamed... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128623) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:32 PM Author: flesh passionate plaza prole holy Christ! how did you not even crack a 150?? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128670) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:53 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Are you referring to LSAT, MBE or both? LSAT was admittedly very low. I considered retaking it but I did not have the means to do so. I couldn't afford Kaplan and I really didn't have the time. I also had to work Sunday night before (Monday p.m. LSAT), graveyard shift, 9pm to 6am, and I was dragging at the end -- writing sample demonstrated lack of sleep and resulting incoherence. As for my 148 MBE, it was two points away from "multistating out" in Michigan and high enough to only be required to write the state portion for my second bar. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128827) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 8:01 PM Author: mentally impaired electric furnace To be fair,
Your MBE would be impressive... if you hadn't spent your three years at Cooley literally studying for the Michigan bar, unlike all the kids who went to real law schools and had to spend their time learning a bunch of worthless high falutin theory in class that didn't help them at all before turning around and having to cram the real stuff on their own in a matter of months.
With that said, you seem like a cool dood and you're a surprisingly fluid writer from someone who looks so abjectly shitty on paper. Bravo mang. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:03 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I wasn't trying to impress anyone when I took the MBE. I was merely trying to rack up enough points to pass the fucker. Some people failed. Some of them even went to UM, MSU, Wayne, UDM and Ave. When the exam results were released, two of my best friends passed along with me. One got a 162 on the MBE and multistated out. The other got a 135 combined score and passed by the bare minimum. My score was in the middle, 148. Mr. 162 was no happier than Mr. 135 and when we celebrated, the beer was just as cold no matter what our scores were.
That being said, of the 90 credits it takes to graduate from Cooley, required couses make up 63 of them. Maybe in the grand scheme of things, Cooley "teaches to the test." The only material that was new to me when I was doing BarBri was Conflicts of Law and Domestic Relations. Personally, I think this is one thing that Cooley gets right. I felt better served when BarBri was not the first time I heard about Article 2 and commercial paper, as was the case for some people who went to "real" law schools. 27 credits of electives was plenty for dabbling in something a bit more esoteric.
Meanwhile, it's not just Michigan. Cooley students spend three years studying for all the other states' bar exams too. We read the same casebooks that are used by HYS, CCN, T14, etc. I was well served when I took my second bar. I took Torts, not Michigan Torts. My CivPro class was exclusively devoted to FRCP. The only required class that relied on Michigan law was Wills, Trusts and Estates.
Now brace yourself, because here comes some advice from a Cooley grad to someone who attends a more prestigious school... Cramming sucks. Whatever law school you go to, they probably offer a class in every bar exam subject you'll encounter. If you know what state you're writing, you might want to have a look at that state's tested subjects and then possibly take a few of those subjects as electives. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2009 2:57 AM Author: Aphrodisiac temple the "advice" from someone who's never been to a real law school in this is NEXT-LEVEL ridiculously underrated for unintentional humor.
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:36 PM Author: 180 church building So, why would anyone go there? Seems like if you get a low LSAT score and low grades, law probably just isn't your thing. Or are the main criteria for law school admissions poor indicators of aptitude for midlaw/smalllaw? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128213) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:17 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I had a blue collar job in an industry that is largely being phased out. The handwriting was on the wall and most of the people I knew at my former job are unemployed with zero prospects. About the only thing I was remotely qualified to do was go to law school (well, Cooley...). If I had a stable, secure, well-paying job, I wouldn't have given it up. I have improved my quality of life imensely by going to Cooley. Laugh all you want, but I worked my ass off to achieve my 171/228 class rank and I took a job in a place that many XOXOers would dismissively describe as a shithole town, but I enjoy living here. As for law not being my thing, my numbers may indicate that. In any case, my bosses and my clients seem to be pleased with me. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128537) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:44 PM Author: 180 church building Not laughing or saying law is not your thing. Just wondering how someone who can't manage to do reasonably well on the LSAT can reason well enough to be a good lawyer - apparently there is some disconnect in the reasoning skills the LSAT is measuring and ability to do legal reasoning, but I'm not sure what that is. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128759) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:52 AM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I don't necessarily disagree. My GPA might have been higher if I wasn't working instead of studying. My LSAT could have been higher. My numbers were mediocre at best -- they are what they are. LSAT, GPA, class rank are important for a while, but they are not everything. After you have been in practice for a few years, they are irrelevant. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131207) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:59 AM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault why didn't u go part-time? the school's enrollment is like 85% part-time for just this reason, isn't it? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131219) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 7:44 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I was referring to undergrad grades and LSAT. At Cooley, I didn't work until I was a 3L. I "clerked" at a toiletlaw firm that was too shortsighted to hire enough qualified people so they let the "clerks" have at it. I learned quite a bit and I was treated fairly well. In retrospect, I also came dangerously close to unauthorized practice on a daily basis. Meanwhile, full-time and part-time at Cooley is much different than every other law school in the country. The typical Cooley student is enrolled year round (trimesters) and finishes in three years: 12+12+12+9+9+9+9+9+9=90. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2009 6:34 AM Author: Diverse orchid school cafeteria Subject: Questions on workload Hi I am about to enter Cooley. Would you recommend taking 12 credits in the first term or 9? wich scheduling option did you take? how was the workload? and Why didn't you transfer out? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12313325) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2009 8:37 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven First, I thought this thread had died. Next, assuming that this is not a flame posting, congratulations on getting into Cooley! I stood where you once did, so I know just how impressive that is! Finally, of course I'm kidding but just consider this to be some tough love. If you are really going to Cooley, get used to some degree of ridicule. Don't take 9 credits unless you are forced to do so. Taking only 9 credits normally means that you were admitted to Cooley under "special considerations" -- that you didn't have a high enough admissions index to get in the regular way. The overwhelming majority go with the PT36 schedule, which means you will graduate (hopefully) after attending classes for 36 consecutive months. If you feel that you're up to it, you should seriously consider taking a few more credits per term and graduate sooner. If you are borrowing any money, your debt will be smaller. Also, if you start in September and do the PT36, you will graduate in September. You will have to wait half a year, until February, to take the bar exam. I started the PT36 in May, graduated in May, and passed the July bar exam. As for a 12 credit workload, just remember this... At just about every other law school in the country, the typical 1L workload is 15 credits. 12 is quite doable. I started Cooley with the mindset that I was going to stick it out and not transfer. Once I was there, that mindset didn't change. Maybe I wasn't smart enough to know any better, but I was satisfied with Cooley. I even enjoyed living in Lansing. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:43 PM Author: aqua sick fanboi Studies show no direct correlation between high LSAT scores and being a "good" lawyer. The LSAT is just a way to disqualify.....not qualify. When you have thousands of applicants that all have great resumes, great recommendations, and great grades...you have to have something else to separate the people that will get offers. These are not my words, by the way...its fairly common knowledge among anyone that has actually met "successful" attorneys. Many of them were terrible in school and had mediocre grades...even more went to second rate schools and barely got admitted. Honestly...how much of the LSAT covers the skills needed to be a transactional attorney? You don't need logic games for that.... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12152381) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:29 PM Author: cheese-eating lascivious den chad Wait just a goddamn minute here. You were ranked in the bottom 25% at Cooley??? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12136467) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:41 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven No, just missed it. I was 171/228. Number 172 would be the beginning of the bottom quarter. Exactly 25 percent finished behind me. Wow, I was almost 4th tier of a tier 4. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12136583) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:37 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy chestnut athletic conference dilemma what do you make? give a narrow range. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128229) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:39 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault he works for legal aid in the fucking sticks. so, like $36k max. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128251) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:00 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Not so far off as far as salary goes (I make a bit more), but that does not include LRAP, which is significant as hell. As far as living in the sticks goes, I like where I'm living and I enjoy what I do. After reading what others have posted, I cannot say that for everyone else here. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128414) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:21 PM Author: shimmering stubborn turdskin You make <$50k? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128567) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:24 PM Author: Dead multi-colored nursing home Cooley has LRAP?? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128600) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:43 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven No LRAP from Cooley. LRAP from employer and LSC. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129302) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:36 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Yes. But so do 90-95% of the peolple that live where I do. My income goes much further here than it would in the big city. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128691) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:48 PM Author: Galvanic Home Striped Hyena Ok, I have one question. Is the library like really fucking awesome? Cause it better be based on the website. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128789) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:00 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven The library is fantastic. It is new, modern, and a great place to study. I never had a problem finding a carrel or a study room. Cooley has amazing facilities, at least in Lansing (I have never been to GR, Oak, A2). HOWEVER, Cooley's ranking system, which places a great deal of emphasis on libraries, is a pitiful joke. When the annual Cooley rankings come out, I cringe. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128884) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:22 PM Author: Galvanic Home Striped Hyena What % of Cooley students cringe at or make fun of the "ranking system"? Or a better question would be what percent, if any, actually buy into it? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129101) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:50 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I never discussed Cooley's "Judging the Law Schools" with any of my classmates. I feel sorry for any Cooley grad that takes the Brennan rankings seriously. Said person is truly setting himself up for disappointment. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129341) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:33 AM Author: Onyx Bbw Brethren You didn't all get together to crow over Cooley beating Stanford in the rankings?
Seriously though, you seem a pretty cool guy and I am glad you're happy with how things worked out for you. |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 7:45 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven The Dude abides. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12136080) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:48 PM Author: bipolar halford what percentage of the affirmative action admits made it to graduation? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12128791) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:21 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Affirmative action? At Cooley? You're kidding, right? Cooley admits EVERYONE based on an admissions formula. No PS's and no LOR's are even used. If you are asking about minorities, I'll just say that my graduating class was whiter than my starting class -- a purely anecdotal, personal observation. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129077) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:22 PM Author: Hyperventilating garrison cuck can i touch you? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129109) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:33 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Maybe. Are you cute? Female? Low morals and low self-esteem? If I can talk my girlfriend into it, is a threesome possible? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129228) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:26 PM Author: topaz thriller parlor dysfunction What the hell is LRAP? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129150) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:34 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Loan Repayment Assistance Program -- try a Google search. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129249) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:37 PM Author: provocative buck-toothed locale preventive strike this thread is actually pretty interesting. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129263) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:08 AM Author: Claret Motley Jew what employment expectations did your classmates have going into the school? were they realistic, or were their eyes opened over time? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129452) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:11 AM Author: amber slippery death wish I bet most people at that kind of school know they're in for shitty options, but they don't realize just how shitty and how unlikely they are to really practice law, so they're still deluded. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12129474) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:35 AM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Most (not all) were aware of what they were facing when I was there. I don't regret going to Cooley or being a lawyer. However, I went there from 2002-2005. With the current economy and legal hiring situation, I might not have made the same choice in 2009. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131165) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:31 AM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven My expectations were quite realistic as were most of my classmates. However, that wasn't true for everyone. Reality ended up assraping a few that needed it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131157) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:06 PM Author: wonderful national security agency How realistic were the faculty and staff? Head in the clouds telling everyone they're going to be making six-figures in three years or pushing people to do well cause it's an uphill climb from Cooley? Are they aware of how bad the rep is? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12136249) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:23 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Definitely the latter. Cooley people (students and administration more so than faculty) often feel the need to prove themselves and to tell people what a great place Cooley is. Meanwhile, I cannot remember any professor ever building up false expectations. The vast majority of my professors really seemed to care whether we were learning the material. Maybe they feel responsible for sending the survivors out into the world after they get their JDs. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12136415) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:27 PM Author: wonderful national security agency But they don't seem care that you call those who don't wash out "survivors"? That there is such a huge attrition rate? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12136454) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:38 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Cooley can be a cold, harsh place. Everyone is well aware of the attrition rate. A good friend flunked out after she was almost two-thirds of the way through. It truly bummed me out -- for a moment. An hour or so later I was a cutthroat prick and I thought better her than me. Those with lower credentials (uGPA & LSAT) , myself included, are given the opportunity to graduate from an ABA approved school. They are also given the opportunity to fail. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12136548) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:14 PM Author: cruel-hearted stag film shitlib lol tyft. i feel a lot better about my T2 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12153322) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 2:01 AM Author: Ungodly wrinkle market Are there stockpiles of chairs in some unused room called the ranking closet? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12130531) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 8:01 AM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I don't know about any chairs in a storage room. If I ever needed a place to sit down, there was always an available chair. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131135) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:51 AM Author: Ungodly wrinkle market so you could study (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131593) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:15 AM Author: Flatulent doobsian site background story 176 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131718) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:57 AM Author: grizzly glittery party of the first part Ridiculously well-researched flame. I wonder what OP is procrastinating about. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12131614) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 4:58 PM Author: bateful keepsake machete senate Which part of the scanned proof did you not buy into?
You sir, get a 133. This thread, 180. |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 7:48 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I could cut off my Cooley-class-ring-wearing finger and mail it to you. Just kidding, I did not buy a ring. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12136111) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 8:50 PM Author: Odious sexy native faggot firefighter You write very well. I am impressed that someone like you could end up so low at Cooley.
How is the Cooley alum network? Is it mostly limited to Michigan? Is it helpful?
What are Cooley exams like? Standard issue spotters? On a related note, what did you discuss in class? Did professors simply go over hypos that modify the BLL?
If you had to choose between hiring a median T14 student and another Cooley bottom-tier type, who would you hire and why? Assume similar personalities, or you can interview only one. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:41 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven "You write very well." -- Thank you!
"I am impressed that someone like you could end up so low at Cooley." -- WTF?
Cooley alumni can be quite helpful. We try to help our own whenever possible. Cooley grads, if nothing else, are plentiful. Sheer numbers mean that some are bound to end up with good jobs and be smart. I didn't get my job by networking but many friends have. Cooley's reputation isn't as bad in Michigan as it is nationally. The typical Cooley student from Michigan tends to be much sharper than those from out-of-state -- I was from out-of-state, btw.
Cooley exams were a mixture of multiple choice and essays. No take-home exams. Lots and lots of issue spotting.
Classroom discussions were a mixed bag. My professors tended to analyze a few cases to death rather than use a blitzkrieg of hypos. With Cooley's admissions standards being what they are, there were more than a few dolts. They get called on as well. Did you have that torts case that dealt with Groucho Marx? We did. The called upon student had no idea who Groucho was. The professor was somewhat incredulous about it and the student meekly offered, "Didn't he have something to do with communism?" True story -- there's no way I could make that shit up. Gunners? Yes, even Cooley has gunners that will try to dominate the discussion. There's nothing like a Cooley gunner!
Median T14 vs. Cooley? I would want to take a good look at the cover letter and a writing sample. If it was still equal after that and I could only pick one to interview, I think I would go with the T14. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:44 PM Author: internet-worthy alpha office Where's your COOLEY PRIDE bro? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12153231) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:50 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I'm actually quite proud of Cooley. I'm thrilled when a fellow alum does well. At the risk of snide remarks, I have to say that I am so very grateful for the opportunity that Cooley provided to me. I am indebted to the place. But c'mon... T14 is T14.
Also, you just might have the best pseudonym on this site. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:57 PM Author: internet-worthy alpha office ty
I'm not even sure how the name started, she might have been defending anal beads at some point, she's a sick freak
But yeah, I like it. |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 12:42 AM Author: Laughsome Pozpig You seem like a cool dude and, as others have already pointed out, your writing ability surpasses what anyone here would expect from a Cooley grad, especially one ranked near the bottom quartile. In fact, it is better than the writing in many briefs submitted by more "prestigious" grads.
Good luck and keep on truckin'. |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 1:52 AM Author: idiotic beady-eyed sanctuary jewess I have to admit, this is one of the best Cooley threads I've ever read. OP, well done and congratulations for rising above the Cooley stigma. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12154353) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 2:18 AM Author: Unholy location sandwich I simply do not believe a Cooley Grad who ranked near the bottom of his class can write this well. I must call elaborate flame. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12154440) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 2:49 AM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Here's the deal. I know I can write. Not to be immodest, but I know I can write pretty damn well. The problem is that I don't necessarily write very fast. If I'm writing a letter, an essay or a BRIEF, no problem. When I was writing final exams, I always found myself running out of time. Final exams at Cooley would last 2 hours, 45 minutes and some professors designed them so that they would be difficult or near impossible to finish. Some people would be finished way before time was up, where I could have used another hour. I always wondered how I would have done if Cooley had take-home exams as I hear some other schools have. Also, I thought I studied pretty hard but maybe I should have studied even harder. Here is the one thing that pissed me off about Cooley more than anything else... It was too goddamn easy to find some quack, pay him a few hundred dollars, be diagnosed with a learning disability, and then get to write your exams in a special room taking as much time as you wanted. Maybe I should have done that but pride and personal ethics (stupidity?) wouldn't let me do it. One more thing... While Cooley has more than its fair share of nitwits, those who truly don't belong get weeded out. Yes, it can be cruel. However, most of the people I knew there were actually fairly bright. We speak and write in complete sentences. We don't drool all over ourselves. We even pass the bar exam and get jobs. |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 10:29 AM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault Here is the one thing that pissed me off about Cooley more than anything else... It was too goddamn easy to find some quack, pay him a few hundred dollars, be diagnosed with a learning disability, and then get to write your exams in a special room taking as much time as you wanted. Maybe I should have done that but pride and personal ethics (stupidity?) wouldn't let me do so.
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plz talk more about this. what percentage of the class did this? how many of the law review / top 10% crowd did this?
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Date: July 4th, 2009 6:15 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven I personally knew two people who did this and heard of others. I really can't give you a percentage. Meanwhile, I hear this kind of shit is rampant at schools everywhere. Neither of the two I knew were law review, top 10, etc. One was quite legitimate. This person flunked out of school and was subsequently diagnosed with an actual learning disability. Said person was readmitted, started Cooley again from scratch, graduated, but has not yet passed the bar. I actually feel sorry for this person. The other was "diagnosed" with test anxiety. |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 7:03 PM Author: internet-worthy alpha office At my Tier 2, I know two people that do this. You have to have been diagnosed like years ago with ADD, OCD, or some other crap. One of these people, a girl, actually seems to have legitimate issues, but the other is a pretty smart guy who seems to have no issues at all in real life and who I believe is just faking it. Both are in the top third I believe. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12157717) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 7:21 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Maybe it's harder to qualify for this at Cooley than I was led to believe. I don't know, maybe it's even legit. Legit or not, it pisses me off.
"Excuse me, Your Honor, a moment please. I have test anxiety... or maybe its ADD... I don't remember..." |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 7:49 PM Author: Curious Aquamarine Point Double Fault apparently at pepperdine a while back there was some jackass in L.A. who would "diagnose" u with ADD for $95. they had so many ppl doing this that the "accomodated testing" room OVERFLOWED and they had to find bigger rooms to sit all the cheating faggots in. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12158100) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 7:05 PM Author: internet-worthy alpha office Is there an undergrad school called "Cooley" or is it just a law school? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#12157738) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 7:15 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven Completely independent. Thomas M. Cooley Law School is not affiliated with any other college or university. Founded in 1972 and received provisional accreditation before the first class graduated in 1975. Joint MBAs and MPAs are available through partnerships with Oakland and WMU. Less than 10 miles from East Lansing and about 70 miles from Ann Arbor for those who want to drink and hit on undergrads. Four campuses and growing! Coming soon to a location near you! |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 11:47 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Subject: Man alive. As a Cooley student who enjoys browsing law school forums and searching for Cooley-bashing threads, I was impressed by the sheer size of this thread. I'm resurrecting it for posterity's sake. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051394) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 11:48 PM Author: bateful keepsake machete senate Im surprised you can read. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051401) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 11:50 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life The world is full of small wonders. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051439) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 11:56 PM Author: copper adventurous field wagecucks has anyone from cooley ever gone on to do anything great? and I don't mean being a state judge in florida or michigan or wherever the school is located. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051532) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 11:57 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life I'm willing to bet there's been several accomplished sex offenders. Other than that, who knows? Google? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051544) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 11:58 PM Author: copper adventurous field wagecucks you don't know? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051558) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 11:59 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life You expected I did a great deal of diligence before I made my final choice of schools? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051564) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:08 AM Author: copper adventurous field wagecucks That has nothing to do with it. I suspected that if you actively browsed forums looking for Cooley threads, you'd know a little about the school. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051673) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:10 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Because the majority of forum threads regarding Cooley are critical discussions of the scholarship of their alumni? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051700) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:11 AM Author: copper adventurous field wagecucks Is that a question? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051714) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:12 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life The punctuation suggests so, but you never know...us Cooley students are wily folk. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051725) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:17 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life To answer your original question though...
http://www.cooley.edu/alumni/success/index.html
Cheery, eh? |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 11:13 AM Author: copper adventurous field wagecucks ouch. How many grads does cooley churn out every year? It has to be 7 or 800. It looks like the measure of success at cooley is getting a job at all. It seems like that's what the handful of "successful" cooley students did.
as for transferring, I think the absolute top cooley 1L can transfer to a T25 or something, but I think it's pretty much impossible to go beyond that. Maybe the occasioanl oen egst gulc ea, but that's doubtful. There aren't columbia grads who started at cooley. Iirc most transferred to other t4 schools and T3 schools. Some got T50. Even the transfer options suck I guess. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:32 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life You can actually transfer quite high, you just have to rely on more than your GPA alone (though obviously you need to be top 2 or 3%). I know Georgetown and Washington transfers personally, I know of a couple UMich transfers, and tons and tons of T1 transfers in general (but obviously that's not what you're thinking about). But you're right, T14 schools are very, very, very, very hesitant to admit Cooley students. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13055371) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:33 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Also, my favorite part of the alumni success pages are those entries that include some variant of "passed the bar on the first try!". (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13055380) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 9:39 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054283) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:07 AM Author: apoplectic vivacious antidepressant drug karate This is the credited question-- why have you not killed yourself yet???
Your life straight up sucks. Why did you even go to law school? |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:09 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13051684) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:32 AM Author: kink-friendly address famous landscape painting I worked at a small firm last summer and there was one Cooley grad attorney and one intern (who was part time and just needed a few classes to graduate.) The attorney was reasonably bright and the intern was fairly dense.
The attorney seemed just as smart as the T14 grads that also worked there. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:36 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life That's good to hear. In my obviously biased opinion, I think the assertion that the top 5% at any bottom-rung school will stack up fairly well with upper tier grads holds water. Obviously, some of those people are going to be maniacally hard workers rather than naturally sharp, but that's not necessarily a knock on them. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13052044) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:14 AM Author: Arousing deranged theater stage At what age did you realize that you were a full on retard? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054439) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:40 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054617) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:42 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054627) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 11:24 AM Author: Orange Azn Coffee Pot You really think you have a shot at T20? At Harvard the only people who transfer in generally were waitlisted to begin with at Harvard and did very near the top of their class 1L year. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054920) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 12:44 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13055454) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:41 AM Author: Fighting haunting clown stage using semi-colons doesn't make you smart. please stop. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13063040) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:52 AM Author: Spectacular tantric round eye parlour where did he use a semi colon?? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13063119) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 1:43 PM Author: Fighting haunting clown stage i can count like 8 in three or four paragraphs. it is out of control (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13065089) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:27 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life You're right, it's a bad habit. You, however, just counted semi-colons. But having said that, I had a man-crush on David Foster Wallace growing up, and I think that contributed to my douchey over-punctuation. You should see my footnotes. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13065515) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 6:38 PM Author: Mahogany sneaky criminal RIP (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13067421) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 6:55 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Indeed. He's one of the few public figures to pass away that I didn't have to fake an emotive response to. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13067515) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:15 AM Author: Boyish Mustard Business Firm HELLO MY QUESTION IS HOW ARE YOU (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054443) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:32 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Fantastic, thanks! How about you? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054564) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:43 AM Author: Boyish Mustard Business Firm HERE IS MY QUESTION DO YOU OFTEN THINK ARBY'S (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13063048) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:32 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13065602) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:04 PM Author: Brindle irate gas station psychic "I actually spend an inverse amount of time in class paying attention."
what? |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 2:30 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Don't worry, it was a figure of speech. I haven't actually figured out a way to do that. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13072620) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:37 AM Author: hyperactive yellow patrolman do you honestly not regret doing better on the LSAT so you could have gone to a better school? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054593) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:44 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13054640) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:55 AM Author: Spectacular tantric round eye parlour Cooley student scores 172 on LSAT practice test. Did you hear that last week Elvis shot the Lockness Monster? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13063141) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:36 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life It's actually not unheard of. From what I've heard (remember, I'm still only in my 2nd term) the most dangerous student at Cooley (other than fuck ups like me, or so I like to think) is the wealthy engineer or surgeon who decides to get his JD on a whim at 45. These people do not give a shit about school prestige; they're just there to do something new. Normally they don't constitute a threat, because they're simply not motivated, but if they find a class particularly compelling they'll book it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13065649) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 1:41 PM Author: Milky Area Genital Piercing http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/aiello.html
http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/beery.html
http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/brennanjs.htm
http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/carey.htm (Is a porn star for his other job)
http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/cavanaugh.htm |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:53 AM Author: apoplectic vivacious antidepressant drug karate It's funny that all Cooley profs are also TTT grads. I guess I wouldn't want to tarnish my resume with the name "Cooley" if I went to a half way decent law school either though. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13063130) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 1:46 PM Author: Milky Area Genital Piercing I don't know. If you just want to chill out somewhere and have a few good laughs, and don't care if you ever find antoher job again...
It would probably be pretty entertaining in some respects. |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:39 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life I've actually been rather impressed by the quality of some of our professors, but obviously I don't have a lot to compare it to. The younger professors are especially interesting, because as 123 said, they're not there because they couldn't find anything else, but instead simply because they have families and wanted to settle down in the area for personal reasons. But again, I have virtually no experience from which to judge. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13065676) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:12 PM Author: crimson scourge upon the earth ratface http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/torielli.htm
http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/barachkov.htm
http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/berry.html
http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/sorensen.htm
http://www.cooley.edu/faculty/rooney.htm |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 2:57 PM Author: Milky Area Genital Piercing Actually my list was just supposed to be cute doods, without regard to educational background (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13065798) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 3:23 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Haha, I'm having a drink with one of those profs soon, I'll make sure to tell him your thoughts. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13065992) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 12:44 AM Author: apoplectic vivacious antidepressant drug karate Do people look at you like you are retarded and begin to start talking slower once you tell them you went to the worst law school in the country and still couldn't manage to do better then bottom 25% of that class?... If I were a hiring partner and you applied I think I would bring you in for an interview just so I could tape it and laugh at you later, LOL. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13061847) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 3:10 AM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life I think you have me confused with the original poster. Lots of laughs! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13063192) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 3:14 AM Author: Spectacular tantric round eye parlour Well you obviously have a large chip on your shoulder if your seeking out ancient internet poastings regarding your school just to defend your own level of intelligence. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13063212) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 12:35 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life I'd say that's a fair assessment. I don't know that I'd call it a large chip...I stumbled upon this site, typed in "Cooley" and clicked on the thread with the most responses. I didn't really do it to defend my own intelligence; some of the hyperbole is genuinely funny, and it's interesting to read the thoughts of a grad. I can't deny your point, though. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13064593) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 4:00 AM Author: apoplectic vivacious antidepressant drug karate Just applying to a job with a Cooley degree I would imagine people would laugh at you. Do see people really trying to hold back from laughing in your face when you tell them you went to Cooley? ... I'd probably just say fuck it and laugh in your face (what are you going to do, sue me? you went to Cooley, so you'd probably fuck up the lawsuit anyway, LOL). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13063399) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 12:44 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life That's one of the reasons I'm giving transfer strong consideration. I don't think I'd deal well with that kind of reaction in an interview setting, and while obviously it doesn't get THAT bad, I have heard that some interviewers can be surprisingly unprofessional. I wouldn't say I have a smoldering temper, but I could see myself reacting poorly to a situation like that. Another Cooley student told me one interviewer referred to Cooley as the Applebee's of law schools recently. That would probably make me laugh. Regarding laughing in my face, I certainly wouldn't sue you. I might try to fuck your girlfriend if I knew you for a period of time, but since we're talking interview, that's unlikely. Either way, I'm only one term down, so that's a couple years away. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13064658) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 3:26 PM Author: Supple Degenerate Volcanic Crater "Another Cooley student told me one interviewer referred to Cooley as the Applebee's of law schools recently."
LMAO 180^180 X 180 + 180. |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 6:45 AM Author: apoplectic vivacious antidepressant drug karate "That's one of the reasons I'm giving transfer strong consideration."
Not happening. No school wants Cooley students. Drinking bleach might be a good alternative for you though. |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:08 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Bleach is out of the question. I did drink lighter fluid when I was 4, though. This could explain some later developments.
That being said, I know several students from AH campus alone that transferred to T1 schools. |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:34 PM Author: apoplectic vivacious antidepressant drug karate That explains it all (i.e. why you decided to go to Cooley -- the fact that you have brain damage). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13072223) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 7:30 PM Author: Zippy fear-inspiring roast beef heaven OP here... I realize that some doors will always be closed to Cooley grads. I didn't bother applying to those places. Every place I interviewed at in Michigan had Cooley alumni working there. As far as the job I ended up taking (not everyone on XOXO can say that btw) outside of Michigan, no Cooley grads were here before I arrived. Graduating from Cooley did not prevent them from hiring me. Since I started my job, no one has ever asked me where I went to law school. That includes every lawyer I have met. Believe it or not, it just doesn't come up in conversation. If it ever does, I'll say, "I went to Cooley." (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13067725) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 6:43 AM Author: apoplectic vivacious antidepressant drug karate "If it ever does, I'll say, "I went to Cooley."
So you whisper that really quickly and try to make it sound like another school name. LOL, it's probably a good idea. |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 12:57 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13071999) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:33 PM Author: apoplectic vivacious antidepressant drug karate College prof. HAHAHHAHA. Yeah right. That is pretty much limited to HYS, and some possibility at Shitcago, etc. You aren't going to make transfer from Cooley to any of those schools... I realize you are looking at adjunct faculty, but those prof's typically are very accomplished and do some crazy ass shit (such as working on huge cases at large law firms) and you won't be doing anything like that from any school you go to. So YOUR FUCKED! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13072217) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 2:17 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Your concise, cutting insight has crushed my dreams. I am shamed.
But yeah, you're wrong. A brief look at adjunct faculty listings at T1 schools alone shows that. Thank you, though, for the constructive criticism. I'm a cocky guy, I need to be brought down a few notches sometime. |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 2:32 PM Author: smoky space it should be "you're fucked" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13072635) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 3:24 PM Author: fishy big old irish cottage You seem like a decent dood with a good attitude. Good luck. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13073131) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:25 AM Author: Ivory gaping It would be a generous mistake. The OP writes 100X better than you do. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13070214) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:00 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life Jesus...that's a LOT better. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13072026) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 3:11 PM Author: Hairraiser Chapel Giraffe so you gonna take that latham offer or you think it's too risky? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13065906) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 12:58 PM Author: cobalt contagious love of her life I put it on the table. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13072001) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 3:33 PM Author: clear trip sound barrier black woman If I published something, would I be a shoo-in for tenure? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13066057) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 6:58 PM Author: Twinkling aromatic spot boltzmann *Jingles keys in front of your face* (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13067531) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 7:33 AM Author: Silver tank trailer park you will bow before me (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13071268) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 3:19 PM Author: Frozen frisky half-breed theatre OP in this thread seems like a cool guy, who accepts the shortcomings of Cooley but takes it all in stride and is happy with where he is. I wish you continued success. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13073091) |
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Date: October 26th, 2009 9:38 PM Author: apoplectic vivacious antidepressant drug karate OP, did you wipe your ass with your Cooley degree once you got it and realized you couldn't afford toiletpaper, and realized that the value of your degree is less then the value of toiletpaper, OR was it mailed to you with the shit on it? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#13094582) |
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Date: November 4th, 2026 6:50 PM Author: Colonel Cooley BUMP: I graduated from Cooley Law School over twenty years ago. Back in 2009, I created a thread where I took questions about Cooley, my life, my job and anything else. Now that we can search old threads again, I dug it up. I thought it would be fun to do the Q&A again. I'm still a lawyer working in the same small town. But I no longer work for that civil legal aid outfit, I'm married and have two kids. So once again, fire away. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#50232910) |
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Date: November 4th, 2026 6:55 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) Salary? Basic career trajectory? Have you largely avoided scandal, disgrace, and protracted bar/civil litigation (as a party)? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#50232918) |
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Date: November 4th, 2026 7:06 PM Author: Colonel Cooley I'm self employed, so no salary. Pre tax revenue was just under 80K last year, and slightly over 75K the year before. I put in ten years at Legal Aid. But the cost of kiving is very low where I live. I worked ten years at Legal Aid with LRAP and IBR, and paid off all my loans, and then I went solo. Scandal and disgrace? I'm a pillar of the community, dude. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#50232943) |
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Date: November 4th, 2026 6:59 PM Author: greg.abbott@gov.texas.gov ((zurich is stained)) 180,pls answer the questions below, col. cooley (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#50232923) |
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Date: November 4th, 2026 7:14 PM Author: Colonel Cooley No scandal and no disgrace. No bar complaints either. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031029&forum_id=2#50232970) |