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Which Is the Soo CR Splurge For Family: Intl Biz Class, Or Super Luxe Hotel?
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Date: September 18th, 2023 4:39 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant lets say intl biz is $3k/tic and coach is $1k/tic, which means it's an extra $8k for intl biz
and lets say a super-luxe hotel is $2500/n versus the ordinary very nice 5* is $500/n... and you're going for a week to two different places, and you'll splurge 4 nights on the super-luxe hotel in one city and stay 3 nights at the regular $500 5* in the other city... which means you're paying an extra $8k for the hotel splurge.
which is the CR splurge, assuming you can only afford one or the other?
i think it's def the intl biz. the super-luxe splurge isnt worth it and kids will have the time of their lives at the $500 hotel, and kids will really remember the intl biz experience with lounges and fancy seats and shit. |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 11:40 PM Author: Contagious institution turdskin Both are stupid unless your a billionaire (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814855) |
Date: September 18th, 2023 4:41 PM Author: greedy area mood You may wanna get a second job bartending if you can only afford one, but supposing this is purely hypothetical and you aren’t that low income I’d choose hotel. 4 nights of luxury versus 10 hours or so (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46812972) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 4:43 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant the counterarg is that it's 10 hrs of absolute hell in coach vs 4 nights still in a nice 5* hotel...
i'm not sure of the marginal value of a nice 5* @ $500 vs an ultra-luxe $2500 place, esp for kids. |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:10 PM Author: Insane Halford to me this is obviously the right answer, on a $ per time basis the difference is massive, intl biz is a shockingly poor use of money, just get exit row seats in coach also, taking kids into biz and where they’ll cry and scream all flight, I feel for the other pax |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:17 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant the problem w/ all you doing this $/time analysis is it seems unfounded to assume you get the same marginal pleasure per hour from each one.
just do exit rows in coach is perhaps fighting the hypo... plus kids < 18 cant even sit in exit rows. and even if they can, lets assume they're unavailable |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 4:41 PM Author: gold spectacular office faggot firefighter *cslg throws mozz sticks against Scarface poster on wall* (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46812973) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:02 PM Author: khaki out-of-control wrinkle Do you have any kids my man? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813108) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:15 PM Author: Puce circlehead nursing home (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813184) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:26 PM Author: violent wagecucks (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814202) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:40 PM Author: doobsian opaque idiot (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814261) |
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Date: September 19th, 2023 1:53 PM Author: gay stock car (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46817327) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 4:45 PM Author: dun really tough guy Probably the flight, if it lets you arrive rested and hit the ground more or less running
Hotels are rarely worth spending that much $$ on
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Date: September 18th, 2023 4:59 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant with little kids, are u really hitting the ground running? for US-europe flight with kids, i assume the arrival day is wasted and u just have to check into the hotel and chill. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813090) |
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0xCE955F7F2A24fB8A7c3cd6F115F65E016c785EC8 Date: September 18th, 2023 5:04 PM Author: richard clock its the flight by far. a normal 5 star hotel will be perfectly fine, and the difference between intl biz and coach far outstrips the difference between megaluxe hotel and normal five star. your qol improvement will be way higher with the biz flight imo (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813119) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:14 PM Author: gerstern We think the same way. You have to be a real faggot if you care about whether your hotel experience is 4-star or 5-star unless you're traveling to a destination specifically to hide out at the hotel for the week (which, to be fair, I sometimes do e.g., in the Caribbean or if the hotel is a destination unto itself like the Breakers). But generally the hotel should be a base from which you go and do fun shit not the purpose of the trip. On the other hand upgrading from coach to business on an international trip makes a huge difference. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813177) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:17 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant i agree (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813199) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:26 PM Author: azure native for a business traveler, sure. if you're traveling with kids, business class is of no help until they're at least 5 or 6. i'd hate to have a toddler in their own lie flat seat. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813258) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:06 PM Author: purple hissy fit neither, either makes you a pussy (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813132) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:10 PM Author: soggy mentally impaired trump supporter persian If your wife has never done it before, spring for the tix; she'll be underwhelmed and probably never moan about it again, if she has, then go for the hotel room which will be a better value (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813155) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:16 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant i think the opposite -- if she's never flown biz, it's better not to spoil her so she doesnt ask again about it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813192) |
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0xCE955F7F2A24fB8A7c3cd6F115F65E016c785EC8 Date: September 18th, 2023 5:18 PM Author: richard clock (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813210) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:21 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant my wife has never flown biz. ive told her that: 1) now that i have to use my miles for 2 tix rather than one, i need to save my miles and be more careful with them, and 2) with all the devaluations, biz awards are relatively way the fuck more miles-expensive versus coach than before we met, so its not as good a deal. she's logical for a woman so she actually gets it.
she's happy with the lounge experience which we get since i'm LT PLT. |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:27 PM Author: greedy area mood My wife has to fly biz because she’s so goddamn fucking fat. It pisses me off that I’m incentivizing her but at the same time I’m doing a service to economy proles who don’t need to be around that beast (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813264) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 6:01 PM Author: jag (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813413) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 7:12 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant ur also avoiding yourself having to sit next to her in coach! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813799) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:33 PM Author: Cerebral ratface gas station My wife would be irate if I spent $ on business class, especially for kids. Hotel is more justifiable somehow (and hideable). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813288) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:37 PM Author: black pit your fat wife prob has a tough time fitting in coach seats so the upgraded flights would be better for you (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813314) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 5:38 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant my wife is TOAS. breastfeeding made her burn calories like mad. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813320) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 6:02 PM Author: jag See if you can figure out a way to fly biz for yourself and put the family in coach. Say there's a fire drill at work and you'll have to catch the next flight or something Biz does not seem worth it for toddlers |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 6:09 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant ur fighting the hypo. u have to chose exactly one option. neither and save the money (the actual CR) isnt an option (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46813448) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:18 PM Author: appetizing rigor university Does DL still let you buy a YBM fare and then upgrade with points? I did that once and it was nice and the lie flat seats were chill, but I would never pay full freight for it (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814161) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:20 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant no fighting the hypo -- the cost of J is the cost of a J ticket (or any other discount J fare you can get...) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814171) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:19 PM Author: territorial cuck stage I personally can’t imagine taking my crew on some kind of international trip. I’d rather divide and conquer (I’ll take 3 solo trips, then one trip with my wife + 2kids, leaving 2 with grandparents, and alternate the kids out each year). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814167) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:36 PM Author: Excitant stage goal in life this guy has a 10 year old phone and is talking about expensive hotels my man. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814246) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:45 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant it's a hypothetical, you weirdo. im def too cheap to pay for even the $500 5* lol id never pay $2500/n (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814288) |
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it's got 32 GB. is that the lowest battery.
it's black thankfully not pink. |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:37 PM Author: Bearded tan immigrant piazza International coach is like domestic first class. It’s not that bad Afaik (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814252) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 9:15 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle fear-inspiring foreskin ticket booth International premium economy is like domestic first. I wouldn’t say normal coach is. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814388) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 11:32 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant wtf no. intl coach seats are the same uncomfortable shit as domestic coach, which is the most important part. are u retarded (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814833) |
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Date: September 19th, 2023 1:40 PM Author: Excitant stage goal in life domestic = work trip international = going somewhere fun totally different psychologies going on |
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Date: September 19th, 2023 1:42 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant wtf does this have to do with the seat being the same uncomfortable seat? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46817278) |
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Date: September 19th, 2023 1:44 PM Author: Excitant stage goal in life you're not happy to be uncomfortable going back to Israel my man? also why are you pretending to be uncomfortable when you're 5'6" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46817285) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:43 PM Author: doobsian opaque idiot You’d have to be an actual gay retard to pay $4K for your kids to fly first class. Flying with kids under 4-5 is hell so it’s not like you would even enjoy premium air travel. The CR here is to splurge on a hotel with a kids club or hiring babysitters so you can actually enjoy your trip. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814278) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:46 PM Author: doobsian opaque idiot Also just realized this is DBG and he changed his post capitalization. So it is an actually gay retard and zero percent chance PDDJ is “TOAS” and defy you to post pics (no face) proving me wrong. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814293) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:48 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant that's fighting the hypo... but i agree it's CR to splurge on babysitters / kids club / paying for grandparents to travel with you to help watch the kids (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814305) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:50 PM Author: doobsian opaque idiot It’s not fighting the hypo you dumb fuck. You’re going to spend $20K on vacation, the goal is to have the best time possible. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814317) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 11:33 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant its fighting the hypo bc you have money for option A or option B. the hypo isnt "how do we best budget x dollar amount for the best possible vaca." (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814836) |
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Date: September 19th, 2023 9:57 AM Author: black pit (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46816084) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:49 PM Author: Snowy Space I have eight figure net worth and wouldn't spend my money on either of these things, especially not the hotel.
glad i'm not a tallfag. ljl at having to drop so much $$ on a flight just to not feel like a sardine |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 8:51 PM Author: doobsian opaque idiot Cool so you’re either stupid, a liar, or (likely) both. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814318) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 9:07 PM Author: Fuchsia buck-toothed chapel The hotel, obviously. Also, you don’t have a family. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814371) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 11:34 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant huh. I have 2 kids (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814837) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 11:39 PM Author: Salmon bawdyhouse water buffalo biz class with kids is only cr if you get drunk and tell them horror stories about how the ticket cost 2k more than the 1k ticket for the people 20 feet behind them and they need to get good grades and have you pay for college then get good grades again then apply to law school and have you pay for it and get good grades and interview every year and get a good job then move to a random city and show up every day and work for a week and give half their money back to the government to have 2k. this is all assuming you still pay their rent obviously. and lunch and everything else. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46814848) |
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Date: September 18th, 2023 11:41 PM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant are u high?
im cracking up reading this. |
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Date: September 19th, 2023 9:20 AM Author: Talented ladyboy scourge upon the earth your two year old isn't going to remember any of this shit. go ahead and goy it up if you want but don't try to pretend this is "for the kids" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46815925) |
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Date: September 19th, 2023 9:41 AM Author: concupiscible misunderstood organic girlfriend legal warrant hypo doesnt say it's for my kids or specify an age. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46816007) |
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Date: September 19th, 2023 9:58 AM Author: Talented ladyboy scourge upon the earth "kids will have the time of their lives at the $500 hotel, and kids will really remember the intl biz experience with lounges and fancy seats and shit." (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5408152&forum_id=2#46816092) |
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