Date: June 25th, 2026 11:52 AM Author: Angry ruddy stage
The GOAT Candidates
Michael Jordan: ≈ 11.4 inches span / 9.75 inches length. Widely cited by coaches like Phil Jackson as a massive physical advantage that allowed him to palm and maneuver the basketball like a grapefruit.
LeBron James: ≈ 9.25 inches span / 9 inches length. Though technically smaller than Jordan's, his exceptional ball security and passing ability more than compensate for the slight difference.
Kobe Bryant: ≈ 9 inches length. Considered "small" for an elite shooting guard, but his flawless footwork and fundamentals made him an all-time great.
Wilt Chamberlain: ≈ 11.5 inches span / 9.5 inches length. Helped him dominate scoring and rebounding before the modern era.
Date: June 25th, 2026 1:48 PM Author: Fucking Fuckface
Wilt was a tremendously more gifted and flatly better than Michael. The only way to bring Jordan into the conversation is to push past the "player" aspect to instead refocus on the entirety of the team
Wilt would have absolutely demolished Jordan 1 on 1. And it's not even close. Not against Jordan or any other player to have ever played the game
Wilt was an absolute freak athlete. It must have been crazy to see him roll up to a nude gym and lift more, with a bigger fuckstick, than IFNB pros of the 1960s and 70s
Date: June 27th, 2026 12:06 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
Those were team games against bigs that were nowhere near as fast, as strong, and as mobile--upwardly or laterally--as Wilt. 1 on 1, Jordan gets chumped. Easily. His era's rules, late Wilt era rules, and especially early era Wilt rules (no goaltending = ☠️💀☠️), and it's hardly even a game
Wilt wasn't just quick agile, or skilled "for a big," he was all of those things for a player of any size. He gets slept on in goat conversations because of the TEAM aspect. But in pure 1v1 capability, he's in a league of his own
Date: June 27th, 2026 10:17 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface
What? No...Russell's team's dominated the era. But even with the team dynamics around them, Wilt outperformed Russell, a man much taller and stronger than Jordan
The "legacy" aspect is all about the team game aspects (particularly rings and finals MVPs and shit like that). And Wilt deservedly gets BTFO on that aspect of things. But if you take it on the basis of who could beat who in a 1 on 1, he was pretty easily the greatest of all time. Dude could do anything except hit free throws. One year he decided he wanted to do assists and led the league. As a center
Date: June 27th, 2026 1:44 PM Author: Fucking Fuckface
I thought I was pretty clear that my statements were specifically head-to-head. Odd that you responded multiple times about a subject you don't think about or find interesting instead of starting a discussion about what you actually think about or do find interesting. But hey, to each their own
Date: June 27th, 2026 12:04 PM Author: Richard Ames
I mean sure, if you go just by 1v1 capability, it's him or Shaq as best ever. But basketball goes beyond 1v1 ability. Not winning consistently is an issue. You can say "well the other teams were better," ok, how could this nigga not win multiple titles if he is GOAT and he had Jerry West (the actual Logo of the NBA) as a teammate?
At some point the results of his team fall on him as well.
Date: June 28th, 2026 1:28 PM Author: chocolate resort quadroon
Interesting wilt advocacy ITT. My view is that ppl just don't feel comfortable going earlier than magic/bird in making comparisons to today's game. They reach back past then to pluck out the guys who clearly should be on the all-time goat lists (wilt, russell, kareem, west, maravich), but nobody really knows where to put them.
And the Jordan reverence is more than just team success (although he certainly has that, bill russell, IIRC, crushes him). Dude's cultural impact was unmatched. I was going to use the example "it's like saying JFK was a forgettable potus on the order of william henry harrison," but the more I thought about it, jordan was a bigger cultural juggernaut than jfk. For a generation of kids it didn't matter if you were a white dork from huntsville alabama, you were a jordan-bulls fan who watched his games and pretended that you too naturally stuck your tongue out while driving to the hoop on cletus dinwiddie's driveway.
Date: June 27th, 2026 9:04 AM Author: french sweet tailpipe
watching these Sophie Cunningham Pointing meme videos that are everywhere - i was struck by how strangely long her hands and arms are. each arm seems almost the length of her body.