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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:09 AM Author: Boyish school puppy not a big deal to rudolph but a big deal to a shitlawyer making 60k. i am bad.
advice on this hand.
I hold AdKd big blind. 3 Limpers (2-5 blinds), then small blind limps. I raise to 25 total. the 3 limpers fold, then small blind calls. Flop 3h 6d 6s. small blind checks i bet 30 and he calls. turn is Qd. he checks, i check. river is 3d. He bets out 80. do you call? (all the info i have on this player is that he is decent) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:11 AM Author: bright talented principal's office pozpig idk those are tuff. im no pro but depends on person im palying against. if i have a decent stack sure i'll bet it or i will to see if i can push him out. but hard to put him on hand and sucks that you don't have anything. if he is calling you he probably has a piece of that flop unless 45 and even then. idk if it were mean i wold fold because i'm kind of a tigh player why bother putting in a lot of money with ace high. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550038) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:14 AM Author: Boyish school puppy i have nut flush, it was kind of a tight table but this was probably the 20th hand i was there (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550058) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:16 AM Author: bright talented principal's office pozpig LOL
didn't even notice diamonds. i just saw rainbow flop. but he probably PWNEd you with a 6 or 3 right lil brehlet? you shouldn't even have been in the hand |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:20 AM Author: Boyish school puppy yes he had a 6 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550083) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:24 AM Author: bright talented principal's office pozpig sucks breh. hard to get out of it at the end. i may play it diff but no harm necessarily in betting flop. but after river probably one of those you have to let go even if you have an inkling you mnight have him beat. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550113) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:31 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people pwn3d (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550146) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:23 AM Author: Boyish school puppy i basically feel like i should have folded river but i cant justify why i feel this way (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550107) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:25 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people you should have barreled the turn (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550118) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:26 AM Author: bright talented principal's office pozpig i just try to get awayt from those hands early to avoid tthese situations.
but in a hand like that i just found since i mean why risk it when if he's calling on flop he probably has a piece of it, yes? since few draws and he was small blind. idk. seems to me i would just expect him to have the boat |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:28 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people it's hard to put a 6 or 3 in this guy's range unless he's a total idiot (calling a 5x raise oop). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550127) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:29 AM Author: bright talented principal's office pozpig that's true but it seems a lot of people paly with shit like tha tin the blinds. i just get out since why risk a ton of money on a hand i don't like. idk (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550132) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:30 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people i feel like the river donk is a lot more likely to be a bluff than a made hand. based on the math it's a pretty easy call imo (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550139) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:28 AM Author: Boyish school puppy this is probably the correct analysis. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550130) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:30 AM Author: bright talented principal's office pozpig fwiw i'm drunk (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550136) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:32 AM Author: Boyish school puppy so am i, i wouldnt play 2-5 on a 60k salary if i wasnt (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550150) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:33 AM Author: bright talented principal's office pozpig i've played it on zero salary
thanks PAYE/Obama! |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:34 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people what? 2-5 isn't that big. a bankroll of 20 buy-ins should limit your risk of ruin assuming you're a winning player. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550156) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:35 AM Author: Boyish school puppy im a break even or slightly positive 1-3 player. at 2-5 im probably a loser.
and i dont play often, i have no bankroll, just a bank account |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:43 AM Author: Marvelous antidepressant drug site where do you play with these weird blind structures (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550176) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:52 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people wtf? 1-3 and 2-5 are the most commonly used blinds for nlhe cash games. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550178) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 5:38 AM Author: Fluffy institution you are horrible at poker and misplayed the hand on every street. The fact that you could even consider folding the nut flush in this spot is just shockingly bad. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550196) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:45 AM Author: Motley infuriating address idea he suggested If you're Mr Super Tight Dan Harrington Jedi you fold here. For normal people you obviously pay it off, but this is a textbook example of why you have to make the continuation bet on the turn in position. The bet on the turn probably only saves you like $30 at most, but it also lets you fold to his raise on the river and not show. There are 8 cards left in the deck where you pwn him and only the one where he's got you by the balls, so obviously this is a tough river.
If you are going the Dan Harrington route you also shouldn't be putting in a 5x raise pre-flop with four callers ahead of you in the BB, because you have to assume there could be multiple dead As and/or Ks in their hands. If you want to raise to drive people out 4x does the job and you limit your damage in each subsequent round of betting if the flop goes badly. |
Date: July 5th, 2013 4:13 AM Author: Marvelous antidepressant drug site yeah i call, possibly even raise (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550052) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:14 AM Author: Stimulating Point yeah i think so. i suck though (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550056) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:22 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people do you think it's bullshit that men are charged $10k to enter the world series of poker 'ladies event' while women are charged $1k? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550100) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:23 AM Author: Boyish school puppy i dont care about tournament poker, too much luck (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550101) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:24 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people but as a shitlawyer, are there any legal issues with this set up? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550115) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:25 AM Author: Boyish school puppy i defend car crashes bro (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550122) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:31 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people u went to law school tho (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550145) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:32 AM Author: Boyish school puppy man i had terrible luck. a few hands after this i limped small blind with 2 other limps. big blind checked. flop 9 7 6, i had 9-6, limper bets 15, i raise to 45, he pushes (30 more). he has 9-7.
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:32 AM Author: Duck-like hateful school cafeteria main people lol why such short stacks? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550151) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:34 AM Author: Boyish school puppy he was a loose caller, had lost a few pots (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550157) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 5:06 AM Author: razzmatazz startling trailer park Tough place to be. He could have a weak/weak-mid pocket pair which could be compatible with the line he took. He could also be 45 draw that missed and he wants to represent a flush that hit.
Or he could have had a six at the flop.
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:31 AM Author: Floppy scourge upon the earth Sorry man but in a 1/2 game the river is an easy fold unless you have specific info that villain likes to bluff. Not too many low-limit players are firing $80 river bluffs.
EDIT: Reading comp fail for me. In a 2/5 game I think some players are more likely to bluff on a board like that after you check the turn. It really just comes down to how tight and bluffy your villain is. I still think it's a fold more often than not but there are lots of villains i call river against. Also, bet a little more on flop. |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:32 AM Author: Fluffy institution it was a 2-5 game (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550398) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:49 AM Author: Umber prole you needed to bet into the draw on the turn. make him think you hold a 6 or 3 and aren't thinking of diamonds. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550430) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:57 AM Author: Floppy scourge upon the earth There's not too many hands that OP would raise with pre-flop that contain a 3 or a 6, so it's difficult to represent that. You might be able to get 77-TT to fold out with a strong turn bet depending on villain and OP's image. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550447) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:57 AM Author: Floppy scourge upon the earth Yep, see edit. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550448) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:54 AM Author: ocher bat shit crazy parlor didn't read whole thread.
just gotta call. hard to think a person calls original raise with 3 or 6 hands. that said, raise should have been bigger with 3 limpers.
sometimes you lose, but you've got nut diamonds with unlikely full houses that beat you. |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:59 AM Author: Thriller Stage Place Of Business here's how you should have played the hand. Raise 3X+1X for every limper. Possibly even more since you're likely to be out of position should anyone decide to call. In this case $35-$45. Of course this depends upon the game. Many live no limit games routinely see standard preflop raises to 5X so adjust accordingly. Continuation on the flop was ok, maybe a little small. The check with the nut flush draw and two overs on the turn is simply idiotic. Then you have to call the river absent any player-specific reads. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550451) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 1:43 PM Author: Boyish school puppy Still depressed brothers (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23551265) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:36 PM Author: Thriller Stage Place Of Business why play poker if you suck at it? read a book for god's sake. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23553010) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 7:20 PM Author: peach ticket booth twinkling uncleanness I agree with this, although there are so many variables with table history, styles/reads and position of limpers to determine the optimal preflop bet--$25 is ok here absent other information. I discount the small blind's action in this scenario, and probably would've bet $30 (doubling the pot from $25 to $50 total) to ease the math going forward.
Either way, any issue with a few bucks +/- on the preflop and postflop bets are dwarfed by the terrible decision not to bet the turn. |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:40 PM Author: Soul-stirring kink-friendly locale why didnt you go all in on the river (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23553023) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:42 PM Author: citrine nowag love of her life Jesus. What'd you used to weigh? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23553032) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:47 PM Author: Soul-stirring kink-friendly locale this why i always go all-in when i get suited AK (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23553040) |