Date: April 12th, 2026 6:26 AM Author: Adulterous Casino Tattoo
Is it because the Portugese and Spanish just came there to steal as much ish as possible and had no intention of building a civilisation like the English did in the US?
Date: April 13th, 2026 12:23 AM Author: fiercely-loyal adventurous forum telephone
Some LatAm places are actually very low crime. Merida, Mexico is one of the safest cities in all of the Americas, for example. They have this new Central Park that is open 24/7 that is completely safe even if you go there at 3am.
Date: April 12th, 2026 8:13 AM Author: Maize Pozpig Police Squad
The Spanish and Portuguese failed to undo ten thousand years of human evolution. Natives are a divergent species brought back into contact with civilization, their wild nature can't be tamed without intensive and selective outbreeding programs.
Date: April 13th, 2026 12:32 AM Author: balding bateful institution
no. there is a far higher percent of native blood in mexico than in North America even among the "mestizos". And Mexico has a different policy than the US about what gets called "indigenous" or not. Anyone who lives in a modern city, speaks spanish, wears "modern" style clothes gets considered "mestizo" regardless of percent indigenous blood, but in mexico the mestizos can have high as like 80% indigenous (I think the avg is like 55% but it often goes up to 70-80% which is insane because even "native" classified peoples in the US are much lower). There are millions of mexicans that are as high as 100%, these are the ones that live in villages and speak indigenous languages and wear traditional clothing. They are the only ones who are actually classified by Mexico as indigenous.
Date: April 13th, 2026 6:58 AM Author: balding bateful institution
Yes for sure unequivocally. The Tlaxcalans who helped Cortes dismantle Tenochtitlan were not a genetically alien group it was the same genetic lineage, the Nahua speaking groups. Aztec was actually a more recent cultural/ethnic crystallization but same people, and they just get called mestizo or indigenous "mexicans" now instead of Aztec. Mayan populations in the Yucatan, Guatemala etc. have much stronger cultural/genetic continuity because the Spanish consolidation there was slower and patchier and met with more resistance. There are something like 8 million Maya speakers still around with significant genetic, cultural, linguistic continuity to the pre-columbian Mayan civs
Date: April 12th, 2026 7:45 AM Author: Charismatic whorehouse
Yeah, it's happened across tons of countries in Latam, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Mexico, Brazil, Colombia. France is a honorable mention outside of Latam.
Date: April 12th, 2026 8:16 AM Author: Maize Pozpig Police Squad
You're conveniently ignoring the pre-columbian history of the local population who flayed children alive then wore their skins like a mask in order to make sure the rain came. The rain came directly in proportion to the amount of the child's tears so they didn't make it quick either. Also the whole making huge racks of human skulls and eating still beating hearts of either POW or their own volunteers depending on the culture.
Date: April 12th, 2026 8:19 AM Author: Maize Pozpig Police Squad
JFC it's like talking to a brick wall with you. What will it take to get you to realize these are not ensouled humans we're talking about here. You're basically asking why dolphins or chimpanzees haven't harnessed electricity or forged steel yet. It's simply not in the nature of their species to be able to do these things.
Date: April 12th, 2026 8:23 AM Author: Adulterous Casino Tattoo
1800000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. But the violence seems to be of a totally different nature than the rudimentary brutality of the pygmies. How did it escalate to juntas and shooting squads and shit?
Date: April 12th, 2026 8:49 AM Author: Floppy Psychic
genetics are part of it, but not the whole story, since pure natives like the mayans are among the most peaceable populations in modern mexico, as opposed to the absolutely buckwild mestizo cartel guys.
you also have different genetic expressions in different regions; brazilian violence has a very pronounced and explicit sub-saharan element (kind of like jamaica or something) while mexico and central america do not aside from belize and the caribbean coast.
the aztecs were famously violent, but also socialized in the sense that their society could act in a unitary fashion. meaning that if certain forms or types of violence were disallowed by the chief, those behaviors would stop.
this is similar in character to groups like chechens, who actually have a fairly low crime rate in their region when they aren't explicitly at war.
the 'mestizaje' process seems to have removed the cultural capacity to 'down-regulate' characteristics such as violence. mestizos in mexico have always had a high background rate of violence. historical estimates of the mexican murder rate a century ago put it incredibly high, up around 60 or 70 per 100,000. that was pre-cartel; proto-cartel structures as we know them didn't really emerge until the 1970's.
mexico's murder rate reached its modern lows somewhere around 15 per 100K in the early-2000's, prior to the cartel wars which largely kicked off in 2006. the rate could presumably drop that low again if the cartels reach a more stable configuration and stop fighting for territory all the time.
going lower than that would require the outright incarceration of somewhere between 3 and 5% of the male population, which would basically be the el salvador strategy. but mexico actually lacks basic state capacity over parts of its territory in places like guerrero or sinaloa in a way that el salvador never did.
Date: April 12th, 2026 8:53 AM Author: Adulterous Casino Tattoo
Thats kind of what I am alluding to--all the groups--pure Europeans, mestizos, and pygmies are all violent as furk. And I think it's because of the roots of the nations--Portugese and Spanish just looting the countries with no regards for forming coherent societies.
How is it that they are so much more violent than their host countries or prior civilisations? I can't even think of a country that runs as a democracy.
Date: April 12th, 2026 8:57 AM Author: Blue Orchestra Pit
The crime you’re talking about was mostly caused by urbanization starting mid century or so. Mario Vargas Llosa wrote about this (as did many others). Those favelas and shantytowns outside every major LatAm city did not exist before massive population shifts of rural poor moving into cities. If you look at pics of Rio or Lima from the 1950s or so it looks like Europe.
It’s not to say those rural poor weren’t violent before but it was away from the cities so no one cared, plus it was not urban and organized.
Imagine if in North America we had 1000x as many Indians, they were never killed off, and around 1960 or so they all migrated to NYC, Chicago, etc. And since there were not enough jobs or housing they built permanent Hoovervilles in a ring around every downtown. Not enough work or welfare so they sell shit on the street everywhere, sell drugs, join gangs, etc.
Date: April 12th, 2026 9:02 AM Author: Adulterous Casino Tattoo
There were dictatorships/autocratic rule well predating that though. Doesn't seem like there were ever stable democracies and the methods of murdering, getting rid of opponents seem to be completely different to what was seen prior.
I feel like the shanytowns just exacerbated the situation.
Date: April 12th, 2026 2:24 PM Author: Wonderful hilarious masturbator
the same thing happened in big indian cities, slums developed as rural ppl moved in but big indian cities have homicide rates under 2.0. similar shit with bangkok, jakarta, even manila though their homicide rate i think is higher but still not beaner levels
Date: April 12th, 2026 2:27 PM Author: Wonderful hilarious masturbator
A better question is why ALL of the West Hemp post colonism is furking so much more violent than the rest of the non-nigga world?
Other than Canada everywhere is way more violent. Definitely NIGGAS are a huge reason but seems there's something else abt British, Spanish and Portuguese colonialism that creates strucutres that produced violent underclasses
Date: April 13th, 2026 7:31 AM Author: Hairraiser scarlet lay
Argentina's murder rate, which dropped to 3.8 per 100,000 inhabitants in 2024, is significantly lower than the Latin American average but remains notably higher than most European nations. While Argentina is among the safest countries in South America, its homicide rate is still roughly 3-4 times higher than typical European rates, which often sit around or below 1 per 100,000.
Date: April 13th, 2026 1:11 AM Author: balding bateful institution
Surprising none of the scholars here mentioned the black influence on these populations which often gets erased, because it was incentivized to do so. Mexico, Columbia and Peru actually imported more trans-atlantic slaves than the US ever did (and obviously we know Brazil did more than any of those). Africans were absorbed into the mexican population by mixing and denial. You still have phenotypically obvious afro-americans in Guerrero and Oaxaca where geographic isolation slowed the absorption.
Date: April 13th, 2026 5:20 AM Author: balding bateful institution
idk honestly, just thought I'd mention it because a lot of people when they think mexico don't immediately associate it with blackness, but this is an important illusion to dispel. another aspect I think remains undertheorized itt is that the types of Spanish who were electing to come over to the new world were likely very violent. why else would you even be interested in such an expedition? Not even just the early conquistadors and settlers but even a few hundred years in. The treasure fleet system to protect against pirates, the mining boom etc. These aren't risk averse people. They are more likely to be much more dangerous than your avg. Spaniard.
Date: April 13th, 2026 6:00 AM Author: Adulterous Casino Tattoo
Yeah I guess that makes sense when you consider the Caribbean but the fuckers in South America are so much more violent than all the groups on their own.
Date: April 13th, 2026 6:38 AM Author: balding bateful institution
Even with recent improvements and year by year and regional variation I have seen lists put mexico up at the top in latin America alongside Brazil, Columbia and Venezuela. Oh yeah thats right El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala are even worse than all of those. Overall central America is the worst in the world. Jamaica and some carribean islands are close behind too.
Date: April 14th, 2026 7:42 AM Author: Fishy dog poop
as a side note, can you imagine if over the next 10-20 years SPAIN decided "we want to go on some adventures", and tens of thousands of young spanish men went to latam and waged war against the locals and raped and pillaged, and also torn down their churches to build more spanish-style churches, and hundreds of young spanish priests were preaching the gospel, and they were building new cities in the jungle and getting rich as fuck and generally cavorting?
its unthinkable.
it would be as unimaginable as a 12 year old white girl doing this. The people who did this need a vitality score of like 10000 and the average spanish male vitality score today is like 3
what if this whole thing is just testosterone? the arc of world history etc
Date: April 14th, 2026 5:38 PM Author: Hairraiser scarlet lay
Risk is valuable when you have nothing, because it gives you a chance of riches and fame that would change your life. When you have your basic needs met along with a number of luxuries, you become risk averse because you have quite a bit to lose from a historical perspective
Date: June 29th, 2026 1:04 AM Author: Twinkling provocative associate quadroon
Legacy of colonial violence and strong and only freshly chastised cultural tendencies
Being used as a cold war battleground between life-disrespecting great powers probably didn't help. Only so many times you can attach a battery and jumper cables to your neighbor's wrists before it starts deadening you to the humanity in others