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Why did phenotype seem less salient in the Roosh/Roissy era
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:04 AM Author: provocative public bath Also boomerboat got laid in these years. OYT did too maybe.
Like look at this, he gets into a bunch of bullshit and almost glosses over phenotype completely: https://heartiste.org/dating-market-value-test-for-men/ |
Date: February 21st, 2023 8:22 AM Author: Big Submissive Ticket Booth "You can't teach Height, champ." (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45961191) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 4:56 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963237) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 8:47 AM Author: hateful razzle-dazzle forum jewess Maybe an inefficient market (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45961228) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 4:56 PM Author: provocative public bath I don’t get it, ratings are ratings (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963236) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:00 PM Author: Vibrant Navy Faggotry the iPhone really allowed women to stratify large amounts of men outside of their immediate contact into the 80/20 divide Just think about it logically, women only had access to their local chad, chad lite etc, but they couldnt all share them in the era before industrialized casual sex (of course people still cheated and shared men in 2006, but it wasnt as efficient as the swipe apps allowing the phenotypic elite & fast casual sex to just completely make settling a thing of the past |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:12 PM Author: provocative public bath are women really fastidiously curating phenotypes? It's not as though Chads lacked visibility before. They had larger friend groups and were All Tall, hence easily spotted from a distance. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963302) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:16 PM Author: Vibrant Navy Faggotry https://external-preview.redd.it/hR0GL6A4oU875k-uO6D75sEA9fTf5Cbx6pOXMDYz2Bk.jpg?auto=webp&s=b0b2536a869de3debd25963806b98bc8b39fc8a0 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963310) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:18 PM Author: Vibrant Navy Faggotry its just inefficient markets the desire was there, the demand was there, but noone could really solve the logistics of it all until women were given a computer a retard could operate like if every girl in a town just bent over for 1 guy, the town would tear itself apart, but if its happening per capita technologically mediated in private....sorry goyim..... |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:20 PM Author: checked out chud (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963320) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:25 PM Author: idiotic frisky theater (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963345) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 10:24 PM Author: hateful razzle-dazzle forum jewess (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45964721) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 10:57 AM Author: Glassy Crawly Elastic Band Gaming Laptop (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45966155) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2023 1:48 AM Author: Vibrant Navy Faggotry https://twitter.com/alecstapp/status/1628180622786035712 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45969843) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 10:33 PM Author: henna toilet seat (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46377476) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:02 PM Author: galvanic native headpube why are you talking about yourself in the third person (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963263) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:09 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963291) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:17 PM Author: checked out chud the manosphere/PUA info from the heartiste/roosh era is already obsolete
i went back and read a bunch of the blogs/material from that era about a year and a half ago and it was surreal to read through. a lot of totally ridiculous laughable stuff when contrasted with today's knowledge on the subject
it's very telling that heartiste completely abandoned talking about women and now just runs 1488 shtick instead. there's nothing even useful to say anymore about women except that 1. they want chad, 2. if you're not chad, they will never want you 3. you can pretend to be chad if you want to at least fuck women and you can have some limited success with them this way |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:24 PM Author: provocative public bath maybe he's wrong about 1488 then too and he'll do a 180 on his entire life philosophy a la Roosh.
anyway I had the same thought and it inspired this thread, but I did it without actually "reading" the old blogs. Regale us with tales of the naivete of Roosh and Roissy circa ITE. |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:33 PM Author: flushed pit There was an inflection point when those guys had to pivot to stay respectable enough not to get banned. Hard to believe around 2015, Roissy, Roosh, and Cernovich were peers. Roosh went nuts then religious, Cerno made the pivot successfully. Not sure why Roissy missed the boat, he’s banned from everywhere and completely irrelevant now. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963408) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:10 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963574) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:37 PM Author: checked out chud there's just all kinds of ridiculous stuff from that era that got thrown around and treated as gospel by clueless retards
some of the things i can think of off the top of my head:
-there was a "dark triad" meme for a long time that referred to the fact that women are attracted to men who are psychopathic, narcissistic, and sadistic. like yeah, it's true that these qualities are more attractive than not having these qualities, but women just want chad. they're going to choose the guy with a chad phenotype over some "dark triad" non-chad every single time
-all kinds of obsessing about how to dress and carry yourself. doesn't matter. if you're not chad, this shit doesn't matter at all. chad phenotypes can wear literally anything and they will still attract all of the women in the room over some well-dressed guy who isn't chad
-way back in like the late 2000s (?) there were these 'first mover' PUA types that were just straight up total losers. like there was this "Styles" dude and "Mystery" who were just total fucking losers with blatantly beta loser phenotypes who went around dressed up in ridiculous outfits to nightclubs and would hit on every single female there until they found one drunk enough to have sex with them, then they would run shtick about how they had "solved women"
-people absolutely refused to admit the salience and truth of immutable characteristics like height and race. you'd see posts by indian guys or short guys expressing frustration that no women liked them, and they'd get dogpiled by dozens of poasters bashing them and saying stuff like "women don't like you because you have a beta victim attitude." of course these guys were 100% right in thinking that women will never like them because of their unattractive phenotypes, and these threads are completely fucking insane to read through
i might come back and edit this with more stuff later if i think of it
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:53 PM Author: provocative public bath The dark triad got mentioned in White Lotus S2 iirc and it felt anachronistic imo.
The latter must have been totally particular to the PUA scene. Some of my earliest poasting memories on ezboards consisted of Tall Guys posting their heights and being praised, while the Short garnered negative karma.
Clique theory drove a stake through a lot of this imo, to its credit. In retrospect, it was a reaction to a lot of this bullshit and it needed to be called out because believing some of this nonsense has effects on irl outside of dating. Imagine thinking that "carrying yourself" in a particular way in a job interview means fucking anything. Losers needed to get their fucking heads out of the sand if they were going to advance economically imho. And now, many have. OYT makes $400,000k. boomerboat has a $600k net worth. Discuss. |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:41 PM Author: tripping potus depressive You used to talk about how OYT invalidates CT in some ways. Still don't understand that (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963975) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 8:04 PM Author: provocative public bath Because he was a Loser who self-taught Engineering. Most Engineers are Nerds who self-teach Engineering at the age of 8 or so. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45964084) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 8:59 PM Author: tripping potus depressive (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45964312) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 8:04 PM Author: jag it wasn't clique theory at all, it was the chad vs melvin dichotomy (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45964087) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:59 PM Author: unholy salmon scourge upon the earth Reminds of another phenomenon at the time, which was another separate fraud in the form of a weightlifting coach named Rippetoe who told people to drink milk and squat. And then when it only made you bloated and ruined your physique with bulbous legs and thin arms, you got told that you didn't do the program right.
Back on subject, Roissy was actually an incredible writer. Roosh was capable of decent content, but Roissy's best content was remarkable.
As noted by others, that entire industry was gutted by dating apps, Instagram, and clicking for Chad.
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Date: February 21st, 2023 8:05 PM Author: jag (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45964094) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 8:48 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45964260) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 10:57 AM Author: Glassy Crawly Elastic Band Gaming Laptop (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45966156) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 11:04 AM Author: idiotic frisky theater "-way back in like the late 2000s (?) there were these 'first mover' PUA types that were just straight up total losers. like there was this "Styles" dude and "Mystery" who were just total fucking losers with blatantly beta loser phenotypes who went around dressed up in ridiculous outfits to nightclubs and would hit on every single female there until they found one drunk enough to have sex with them, then they would run shtick about how they had "solved women" "
-Also these fag loser pua guys were not successful whatsoever in LTR framework where the women realized they bunned up with beta faggot trash |
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Date: June 1st, 2023 1:05 PM Author: henna toilet seat this is all 100% accurate. only being Chad matters. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46379248) |
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Date: November 6th, 2023 5:13 PM Author: checked out chud (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#47026574) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:28 PM Author: flushed pit I think there is some value in those teachings as long as one stays in one’s lane. A Loser will never be Chad, but he can have better success with Loser Women if he’s fit, dresses the part, doesn’t act weak/needy, etc. The idea that a Loser should cold-approach 9s was always ridic. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963364) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:00 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963780) |
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Date: March 1st, 2023 6:21 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45998371) |
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Date: June 1st, 2023 1:05 PM Author: henna toilet seat really great post (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46379247) |
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Date: June 1st, 2023 1:19 PM Author: checked out chud lol, thanks, wtf prompted you to necro this thread? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46379280) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:20 PM Author: tripping potus depressive Apps made the dating markets extremely efficient and incel ideology contradicts PUA (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963322) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:26 PM Author: provocative public bath Why did boomerboat get laid in 2012 then? why did it take time for markets to adapt? Discuss. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963355) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:30 PM Author: geriatric chartreuse persian you used to meet people in real life. now ugly women have 500 men begging for sex on their phones. how is this so hard to understand. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963378) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:31 PM Author: tripping potus depressive While they were already a thing back then I don't think they were the default way of meeting people until like 2016 ish idk. The older crowd takes longer to adapt too (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963385) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:32 PM Author: idiotic frisky theater boomerboat got cr grad school and social network pussy iirc
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Date: February 21st, 2023 5:38 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963446) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 10:50 AM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45966113) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 10:31 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46377473) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 10:35 PM Author: henna toilet seat https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/prominent-pickup-artists-where-are (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46377483) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 10:48 PM Author: provocative public bath Always a pleasure, number 2 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46377517) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 10:49 PM Author: henna toilet seat (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46377519) |
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Date: June 1st, 2023 1:20 PM Author: Medicated Karate Address before swipeapps these autistic dorks went to clubs, sober, and just aggressively hit on drunk and high chicks until one who was blacked out stumbled home with them (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46379285) |
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Date: June 20th, 2023 4:57 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46450722) |
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Date: October 14th, 2023 5:20 PM Author: provocative public bath (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#46935990) |